Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work?
Yes, the volume is turned up in aumix, alsamixer and kmix. I ran the sound configuration tool. That doesn't help. Thanks anyway. Adrian On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 09:13:54 + "Alexis L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote the words: > > Indeed, I have the same audio chip set, and after a few hours > research, I eventually realized that the sound volume was set to > zero in aumix.. > > >From: Jack Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Mandrake Expert List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work? > >Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:33:23 -0800 > > > >number 1 thing to check is alsamixer, followed by the system mixer > >(aumix, kmix, &c). > > > >On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 21:18, Linux wrote: > > > My computer is silent > > > > > > > > > The mobo is an Intel D865GBF (www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bf). > > > I am using the onboard sound. > > > > > > It works fine under Windows98SE. > > > > > > I use Enlightenment, and I can enable sounds under E, but I don't > > > hear anything. I can also see that esd is running if I run top or > > > kpm. > > > > > > Below are various commands and their outputs. > > > > > > lspcidrake -v | fgrep AUDIO: > > > snd-intel8x0: Intel Corp.|82801EB AC'97 Audio > > > [MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO](vendor:8086 device:24d5 subv:8086 subd:e001) > > > > > > grep sound-slot /etc/modules.conf: > > > alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0 > > > > > > /sbin/lsmod: > > > Module Size Used byNot tainted > > > sg 34636 0 (autoclean) > > > parport_pc 25096 1 (autoclean) > > > lp 8096 0 (autoclean) > > > parport34176 1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp] > > > agpgart40896 6 (autoclean) > > > snd-seq-oss31104 0 (unused) > > > snd-seq-midi-event 5640 0 [snd-seq-oss] > > > snd-seq42608 2 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event] > > > snd-pcm-oss43556 1 > > > snd-mixer-oss 14488 0 [snd-pcm-oss] > > > snd-intel8x0 21988 1 > > > snd-ac97-codec 40160 0 [snd-intel8x0] > > > snd-pcm77536 0 [snd-pcm-oss snd-intel8x0] > > > snd-timer 18376 0 [snd-seq snd-pcm] > > > snd-mpu401-uart 4396 0 [snd-intel8x0] > > > snd-rawmidi17600 0 [snd-mpu401-uart] > > > snd-seq-device 5832 0 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq > > > snd-rawmidi] snd-page-alloc 7732 0 [snd-intel8x0 > > > snd-pcm] snd40868 0 [snd-seq-oss > > > snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-intel8x0 > > > snd-ac97-codec snd-pcm snd-timer snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi > > > snd-seq-device] soundcore > > > 6276 0 [snd] ppp_async 9216 0 (unused) > > > ppp_generic24060 0 [ppp_async] > > > slhc6564 0 [ppp_generic] > > > af_packet 14952 0 (autoclean) > > > e100 56964 1 (autoclean) > > > supermount 15296 4 (autoclean) > > > ide-cd 33856 0 > > > cdrom 31648 0 [ide-cd] > > > ide-scsi 11280 0 > > > ehci-hcd 18568 0 (unused) > > > usb-uhci 24652 0 (unused) > > > usbcore72992 1 [ehci-hcd usb-uhci] > > > rtc 8060 0 (autoclean) > > > reiserfs 175120 2 > > > sd_mod 11548 0 (unused) > > > aic7xxx 120860 0 (unused) > > > scsi_mod 91796 4 [sg ide-scsi sd_mod aic7xxx] > > > > > > /sbin/chkconfig --list sound: > > > sound 0:off 1:off 2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off > > > > > > /sbin/chkconfig --list alsa: > > > alsa 0:off 1:off 2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off > > > > > > /sbin/chkconfig --list alsa: > > > vol 100, 100, P > > > pcm 100, 100 > > > speaker 100, 100 > > > line 100, 100, P > > > mic 100, 100, R > > > cd 100, 100, P > > > igain 100, 100 > > > line1 100, 100, P > > > phin 100, 100, P > > > video 100, 100, P > > > > > >
Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work?
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 02:35, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Saturday 08 Nov 2003 12:45 am, James Sparenberg wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 01:34, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > On Friday 07 Nov 2003 9:13 am, Alexis L. wrote: > > > > Indeed, I have the same audio chip set, and after a few hours > > > > research, I eventually realized that the sound volume was > > > > set to zero in aumix.. > > > > > > We have to try to find a way of getting people to use the TWiki. > > > One of the main reasons for making it was to avoid the constant > > > FAQs. This one, for instance has been covered there for ages. > > > What can we do the make it more visible to users? > > > > > > Eric is now sending out regular introductory messages to the > > > Newbie list, but it seems that newbies are increasingly using the > > > Expert list. Would it help to have a weekly message here as > > > well? > > > > > > Any better ideas? > > > > > > Anne > > > > I'm trying to get it listed on linux Gazette as well as > > pclinuxonline. > > > That sounds an excellent idea. Hope you manage it > > Anne If anyone wishes to give a "here here" to the pclinuxonline request the thread is here http://pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?mop=modload&name=Forums&file=viewtopic&topic=2342&forum=6 James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work?
On Saturday 08 Nov 2003 12:45 am, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 01:34, Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Friday 07 Nov 2003 9:13 am, Alexis L. wrote: > > > Indeed, I have the same audio chip set, and after a few hours > > > research, I eventually realized that the sound volume was > > > set to zero in aumix.. > > > > We have to try to find a way of getting people to use the TWiki. > > One of the main reasons for making it was to avoid the constant > > FAQs. This one, for instance has been covered there for ages. > > What can we do the make it more visible to users? > > > > Eric is now sending out regular introductory messages to the > > Newbie list, but it seems that newbies are increasingly using the > > Expert list. Would it help to have a weekly message here as > > well? > > > > Any better ideas? > > > > Anne > > I'm trying to get it listed on linux Gazette as well as > pclinuxonline. > That sounds an excellent idea. Hope you manage it Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work?
On Saturday 08 Nov 2003 1:43 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Friday 07 November 2003 12:54 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > > No. I have talked with Gael Duval about this. It seems that if > > they did something like that it could be taken that they have > > some legal responsibility for the contents of the TWiki - clearly > > that is unfair, since they do not control it. He has put a link > > on the Mandrake website, but newbies are not going to find that > > for some time, so it's up to us to find a more helpful way. > > > > Anne > > Anne: > (Damn lawyers are everywhere, aren't they?) So I suppose that now > you and Eric are going to start nagging us to add a Twiki plug to > our signatures? -- cmg That's why it's in mine You know, of course, that this is a link to the longer TWiki url? A few varieties of sig entries would increase the chance of catching the eyes of newbies, I think. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work?
On Friday 07 November 2003 12:54 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > > No. I have talked with Gael Duval about this. It seems that if they > did something like that it could be taken that they have some legal > responsibility for the contents of the TWiki - clearly that is > unfair, since they do not control it. He has put a link on the > Mandrake website, but newbies are not going to find that for some > time, so it's up to us to find a more helpful way. > > Anne Anne: (Damn lawyers are everywhere, aren't they?) So I suppose that now you and Eric are going to start nagging us to add a Twiki plug to our signatures? -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work?
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 01:34, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Friday 07 Nov 2003 9:13 am, Alexis L. wrote: > > Indeed, I have the same audio chip set, and after a few hours > > research, I eventually realized that the sound volume was set > > to zero in aumix.. > > > We have to try to find a way of getting people to use the TWiki. One > of the main reasons for making it was to avoid the constant FAQs. > This one, for instance has been covered there for ages. What can we > do the make it more visible to users? > > Eric is now sending out regular introductory messages to the Newbie > list, but it seems that newbies are increasingly using the Expert > list. Would it help to have a weekly message here as well? > > Any better ideas? > > Anne I'm trying to get it listed on linux Gazette as well as pclinuxonline. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work?
On Friday 07 Nov 2003 3:55 pm, Eric Huff wrote: > > Indeed, I have the same audio chip set, and after a few hours > > research, I eventually realized that the sound volume was set > > to zero in aumix.. > > Is there a such thing as aumixer in addition to aumix, or is that a > typo on the twiki? (for now i put aumix next to it) > > http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/SounD > > Google has hits for it, but i think they're typo's, too, because > there are no rpms for it (that i found). > I think it should be aumix - well spotted . If no-one comes back and argues we'll delete the 'aumixer' bit, leaving aumix. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work?
On Friday 07 Nov 2003 2:39 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Friday 07 November 2003 04:34 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Friday 07 Nov 2003 9:13 am, Alexis L. wrote: > > > Indeed, I have the same audio chip set, and after a few hours > > > research, I eventually realized that the sound volume was > > > set to zero in aumix.. > > > > We have to try to find a way of getting people to use the TWiki. > > One of the main reasons for making it was to avoid the constant > > FAQs. This one, for instance has been covered there for ages. > > What can we do the make it more visible to users? > > > > Eric is now sending out regular introductory messages to the > > Newbie list, but it seems that newbies are increasingly using the > > Expert list. Would it help to have a weekly message here as > > well? > > > > Any better ideas? > > > > Anne > > Anne: > Do you suppose that Sympa or whoever could add the line, "Have you > visited http://twiki/mdklinuxfaq.org yet?" after the plug for the > store? -- cmg No. I have talked with Gael Duval about this. It seems that if they did something like that it could be taken that they have some legal responsibility for the contents of the TWiki - clearly that is unfair, since they do not control it. He has put a link on the Mandrake website, but newbies are not going to find that for some time, so it's up to us to find a more helpful way. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work?
> Indeed, I have the same audio chip set, and after a few hours > research, I eventually realized that the sound volume was set > to zero in aumix.. Is there a such thing as aumixer in addition to aumix, or is that a typo on the twiki? (for now i put aumix next to it) http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/SounD Google has hits for it, but i think they're typo's, too, because there are no rpms for it (that i found). eric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work?
On Friday 07 November 2003 04:34 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Friday 07 Nov 2003 9:13 am, Alexis L. wrote: > > Indeed, I have the same audio chip set, and after a few hours > > research, I eventually realized that the sound volume was set > > to zero in aumix.. > > We have to try to find a way of getting people to use the TWiki. One > of the main reasons for making it was to avoid the constant FAQs. > This one, for instance has been covered there for ages. What can we > do the make it more visible to users? > > Eric is now sending out regular introductory messages to the Newbie > list, but it seems that newbies are increasingly using the Expert > list. Would it help to have a weekly message here as well? > > Any better ideas? > > Anne Anne: Do you suppose that Sympa or whoever could add the line, "Have you visited http://twiki/mdklinuxfaq.org yet?" after the plug for the store? -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work?
On Friday 07 Nov 2003 9:35 am, Charlie wrote: > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 04:18 pm, many eyes noted that Linux wrote: > > My computer is silent > > > > > > The mobo is an Intel D865GBF (www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bf). > > I am using the onboard sound. > > > > It works fine under Windows98SE. > > > > I use Enlightenment, and I can enable sounds under E, but I don't > > hear anything. I can also see that esd is running if I run top > > or kpm. > > > > Below are various commands and their outputs. > > Make certain that you have in my case kmix volume turned on. If > that is not the problem:- > > Go into Mandrake Control Center and then:- HardDrake helps you set > up your hardware:- click on your sound card an run the configure > tool. work through the commands and see how you go. Every Mandrake > install I have to go through this procedure to get the sound > working. > Also, if MCC offer alternative drivers, try them. The recommended one is not always the best for your system. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work?
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 04:18 pm, many eyes noted that Linux wrote: > My computer is silent > > > The mobo is an Intel D865GBF (www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bf). I am > using the onboard sound. > > It works fine under Windows98SE. > > I use Enlightenment, and I can enable sounds under E, but I don't hear > anything. I can also see that esd is running if I run top or kpm. > > Below are various commands and their outputs. Make certain that you have in my case kmix volume turned on. If that is not the problem:- Go into Mandrake Control Center and then:- HardDrake helps you set up your hardware:- click on your sound card an run the configure tool. work through the commands and see how you go. Every Mandrake install I have to go through this procedure to get the sound working. Charlie -- Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison. -- Henry David Thoreau This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.1, Kmail v1.5 and OpenOffice.org1.1.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work?
On Friday 07 Nov 2003 9:13 am, Alexis L. wrote: > Indeed, I have the same audio chip set, and after a few hours > research, I eventually realized that the sound volume was set > to zero in aumix.. > We have to try to find a way of getting people to use the TWiki. One of the main reasons for making it was to avoid the constant FAQs. This one, for instance has been covered there for ages. What can we do the make it more visible to users? Eric is now sending out regular introductory messages to the Newbie list, but it seems that newbies are increasingly using the Expert list. Would it help to have a weekly message here as well? Any better ideas? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work?
Indeed, I have the same audio chip set, and after a few hours research, I eventually realized that the sound volume was set to zero in aumix.. From: Jack Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mandrake Expert List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work? Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:33:23 -0800 number 1 thing to check is alsamixer, followed by the system mixer (aumix, kmix, &c). On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 21:18, Linux wrote: > My computer is silent > > > The mobo is an Intel D865GBF (www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bf). I am > using the onboard sound. > > It works fine under Windows98SE. > > I use Enlightenment, and I can enable sounds under E, but I don't hear > anything. I can also see that esd is running if I run top or kpm. > > Below are various commands and their outputs. > > lspcidrake -v | fgrep AUDIO: > snd-intel8x0: Intel Corp.|82801EB AC'97 Audio [MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO] > (vendor:8086 device:24d5 subv:8086 subd:e001) > > grep sound-slot /etc/modules.conf: > alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0 > > /sbin/lsmod: > Module Size Used byNot tainted > sg 34636 0 (autoclean) > parport_pc 25096 1 (autoclean) > lp 8096 0 (autoclean) > parport34176 1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp] > agpgart40896 6 (autoclean) > snd-seq-oss31104 0 (unused) > snd-seq-midi-event 5640 0 [snd-seq-oss] > snd-seq42608 2 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event] > snd-pcm-oss43556 1 > snd-mixer-oss 14488 0 [snd-pcm-oss] > snd-intel8x0 21988 1 > snd-ac97-codec 40160 0 [snd-intel8x0] > snd-pcm77536 0 [snd-pcm-oss snd-intel8x0] > snd-timer 18376 0 [snd-seq snd-pcm] > snd-mpu401-uart 4396 0 [snd-intel8x0] > snd-rawmidi17600 0 [snd-mpu401-uart] > snd-seq-device 5832 0 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq snd-rawmidi] > snd-page-alloc 7732 0 [snd-intel8x0 snd-pcm] > snd40868 0 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event > snd-seq snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-intel8x0 snd-ac97-codec snd-pcm > snd-timer snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device] soundcore > 6276 0 [snd] ppp_async 9216 0 (unused) > ppp_generic24060 0 [ppp_async] > slhc6564 0 [ppp_generic] > af_packet 14952 0 (autoclean) > e100 56964 1 (autoclean) > supermount 15296 4 (autoclean) > ide-cd 33856 0 > cdrom 31648 0 [ide-cd] > ide-scsi 11280 0 > ehci-hcd 18568 0 (unused) > usb-uhci 24652 0 (unused) > usbcore72992 1 [ehci-hcd usb-uhci] > rtc 8060 0 (autoclean) > reiserfs 175120 2 > sd_mod 11548 0 (unused) > aic7xxx 120860 0 (unused) > scsi_mod 91796 4 [sg ide-scsi sd_mod aic7xxx] > > /sbin/chkconfig --list sound: > sound 0:off 1:off 2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off > > /sbin/chkconfig --list alsa: > alsa 0:off 1:off 2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off > > /sbin/chkconfig --list alsa: > vol 100, 100, P > pcm 100, 100 > speaker 100, 100 > line 100, 100, P > mic 100, 100, R > cd 100, 100, P > igain 100, 100 > line1 100, 100, P > phin 100, 100, P > video 100, 100, P > > > /sbin/fuser -v /dev/dsp: > USERPID ACCESS COMMAND > /dev/dsp skippi 1841 f wavplay > > > > Any thoughts?? Thank you very much. > Adrian > > -- > >On The Fly Photography > http://204EastSouth.com > > -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- >Version: 3.12 > GAT d-@ s: a C++ UL++ L++(+++) P E- W++ !N o? K- w--- M+ PS+++ > PE+++ Y+ PGP t++@ 5+++ X++ R+@ tv-- b++ DI D+ G e+ h+ r y++ > --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why does my sound not work?
number 1 thing to check is alsamixer, followed by the system mixer (aumix, kmix, &c). On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 21:18, Linux wrote: > My computer is silent > > > The mobo is an Intel D865GBF (www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bf). I am > using the onboard sound. > > It works fine under Windows98SE. > > I use Enlightenment, and I can enable sounds under E, but I don't hear > anything. I can also see that esd is running if I run top or kpm. > > Below are various commands and their outputs. > > lspcidrake -v | fgrep AUDIO: > snd-intel8x0: Intel Corp.|82801EB AC'97 Audio [MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO] > (vendor:8086 device:24d5 subv:8086 subd:e001) > > grep sound-slot /etc/modules.conf: > alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0 > > /sbin/lsmod: > Module Size Used byNot tainted > sg 34636 0 (autoclean) > parport_pc 25096 1 (autoclean) > lp 8096 0 (autoclean) > parport34176 1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp] > agpgart40896 6 (autoclean) > snd-seq-oss31104 0 (unused) > snd-seq-midi-event 5640 0 [snd-seq-oss] > snd-seq42608 2 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event] > snd-pcm-oss43556 1 > snd-mixer-oss 14488 0 [snd-pcm-oss] > snd-intel8x0 21988 1 > snd-ac97-codec 40160 0 [snd-intel8x0] > snd-pcm77536 0 [snd-pcm-oss snd-intel8x0] > snd-timer 18376 0 [snd-seq snd-pcm] > snd-mpu401-uart 4396 0 [snd-intel8x0] > snd-rawmidi17600 0 [snd-mpu401-uart] > snd-seq-device 5832 0 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq snd-rawmidi] > snd-page-alloc 7732 0 [snd-intel8x0 snd-pcm] > snd40868 0 [snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event > snd-seq snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-intel8x0 snd-ac97-codec snd-pcm > snd-timer snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device] soundcore > 6276 0 [snd] ppp_async 9216 0 (unused) > ppp_generic24060 0 [ppp_async] > slhc6564 0 [ppp_generic] > af_packet 14952 0 (autoclean) > e100 56964 1 (autoclean) > supermount 15296 4 (autoclean) > ide-cd 33856 0 > cdrom 31648 0 [ide-cd] > ide-scsi 11280 0 > ehci-hcd 18568 0 (unused) > usb-uhci 24652 0 (unused) > usbcore72992 1 [ehci-hcd usb-uhci] > rtc 8060 0 (autoclean) > reiserfs 175120 2 > sd_mod 11548 0 (unused) > aic7xxx 120860 0 (unused) > scsi_mod 91796 4 [sg ide-scsi sd_mod aic7xxx] > > /sbin/chkconfig --list sound: > sound 0:off 1:off 2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off > > /sbin/chkconfig --list alsa: > alsa 0:off 1:off 2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off > > /sbin/chkconfig --list alsa: > vol 100, 100, P > pcm 100, 100 > speaker 100, 100 > line 100, 100, P > mic 100, 100, R > cd 100, 100, P > igain 100, 100 > line1 100, 100, P > phin 100, 100, P > video 100, 100, P > > > /sbin/fuser -v /dev/dsp: > USERPID ACCESS COMMAND > /dev/dsp skippi 1841 f wavplay > > > > Any thoughts?? Thank you very much. > Adrian > > -- > >On The Fly Photography > http://204EastSouth.com > > -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- >Version: 3.12 > GAT d-@ s: a C++ UL++ L++(+++) P E- W++ !N o? K- w--- M+ PS+++ > PE+++ Y+ PGP t++@ 5+++ X++ R+@ tv-- b++ DI D+ G e+ h+ r y++ > --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
