Re: [Factor-talk] factor vs. joy
Why not read what Joy's creator has to say about this: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4873 He sounds like an extremely kind person-Patrick -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] io.serial example
I would like to use the serial port library but there there does not seem to be any examples or descriptions of it's words in the documentation. If someone could just throw a hello world like example together for me I would really, really appreciate it. Mixed with other factor features, this library could be very useful for me-Patrick -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy2 ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] io.serial example
Hi Doug Thank you so much. I will try it out as soon as I can. I am still quite new to factor and you won't want my code for another month or two at least, but I will give it my best shot. I will also try to get the library working on Windows sometime too. Thanks again-Patrick On 11-10-08 02:41 PM, Doug Coleman wrote: Right now it only works on Unix machines, so I hope you have a Linux box handy. I updated the serial library a bit -- do a `git pull' and look in extra/io/serial/unix/unix-tests.factor for how to use it. I don't have a serial port handy, so I hope the code still works after my refactoring of it. If not, can you fix it and contribute a patch? Doug On Oct 8, 2011, at 6:31 AM, Patrick Mc(averypatr...@spellingbeewinnars.org wrote: I would like to use the serial port library but there there does not seem to be any examples or descriptions of it's words in the documentation. If someone could just throw a hello world like example together for me I would really, really appreciate it. Mixed with other factor features, this library could be very useful for me-Patrick -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy2 ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy2 ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy2 ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] building a native factor GUI toolkit
This is just daydreaming right now but I was wondering if there are
any fundamental flaws in my logic?
At the bottom of this email I have listed what appears to be the
dependencies for FLTK. It seems they are all in C and could be accessed
via the FFI.
FLTK is small but is still 90,305 SLOC, so it would be a huge task to
port all the code to factor but if this was done I was thinking that it
might give the community something to build on. It sounds like factors
ability to reuse code is even greater then C++ so perhaps the factor
version would be smaller too and factor coroutines might work well
within a gui toolkit. It might be trivial for people to add new widgets
later.
Any thoughts? -Patrick
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13 #include math.h
16 #include ctype.h
1 code1 {\#include stdio.h}
1 code3 {\#include string.h} modal visible
1 #include aim.h
1 #include carbon/carbon.h
1 #include direct.h
1 #include dlfcn.h
1 #include eventnames.h
1 #include fastarow.h
1 #include freglut_teapot_data.h
1 // #include gl/gl.h
1 #include libgen.h// dirname(3)
1 #include limits.h
1 #include mediumarow.h
1 #include objidl.h
1 #include print_panel.cx
1 #include print_panel.h
1 #include setjmp.h
1 #include shlobj.h
1 #include slowarow.h
1 // #include src/cgdebug.h
1 // #include stdio.h
1 #include stdio.h// debuging
1 #include sys/stat.h// stat(2)
1 #include sys/types.h// stat(2)
1 #include tile.xpm
1 // #include uid/uid.h
1 #include wchar.h
1 #include xutf8/mk_wcwidth.c
2 #include ole2.h
2 #include pthread.h
2 #include shelapi.h
2 #include sys/time.h
2 #include windows.h
2 #include x11/extensions/xdbe.h
3 #include unistd.h
3 #include x11/xft/xft.h
41 #include config.h
4 #include time.h
5 #include erno.h
64 #include stdlib.h
6 #include stdarg.h
6 #include sys/stat.h
8 #include sys/types.h
9 #include string.h
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Re: [Factor-talk] building a native factor GUI toolkit
[ snip ] Modern UI toolkits are intricate things, and writing yet another one won't help anybody. Hi Joe Thanks for answering my post, indeed these toolkits are very intricate things and I am in way over my head already. So I look after my kids 12 hours a day(hence IRC handle HalfMadDad), repair spectrometers for 4 and program for about 1. I am no one to question you, hope I don't sound argumentitive... but isn't the factor UI an OpenGL binding? The tetris and terrain examples show how it can render graphics and such but is it not a layer down from let's say GTK, QT or WxWidgets? GTK is apparantly 10K pages if you print the source code. FLTK may be less feature rich but it's small code base could be understood by a single developer. Is there a common path that other factor developers are taking to create GUIs for desktop applications? -Patrick -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy1 ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Brute Force Ignorance!
Here is all the .factor files that ship with the source as a PDF: http://spellingbeewinnars.org/all_Factor_Source.pdf It's 4019 pages Here is just the .factor core source: http://spellingbeewinnars.org/all_Core_Code.pdf It's 427 pages Here is all of the IRC logs as a PDF: http://spellingbeewinnars.org/all_Irc.pdf It's 1275 pages Here is all the emails to the mailing list: http://spellingbeewinnars.org/all_Mailing_List.pdf It's 1990 pages Here is Volume 1 of the words documentation: http://spellingbeewinnars.org/words_Volume1.pdf It's 6959 pages Volume 2 of words: http://spellingbeewinnars.org/words_Volume2.pdf It's 9945 pages Volume 3: http://spellingbeewinnars.org/words_Volume3.pdf It's 7115 pages Here is all the vocabulary documentation as a PDF http://spellingbeewinnars.org/all_Vocab.pdf It's 2826 pages All the articles: http://spellingbeewinnars.org/all_Articles.pdf 783 pages All the authors: http://spellingbeewinnars.org/all_Authors.pdf 82 pages All the tags http://spellingbeewinnars.org/all_Tags.pdf 38 pages Hopefully this will provide a quick, offline way to look for previously discussed topics, idioms, libraries used and such-Patrick -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy2 ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] device driver in factor (possible dumb question!)
I am still only studying and haven't written a factor program yet but I have all sorts of questions, one which I probably shouldn't ask but can't stop myself from doing so. In the docs it mentions: such as manual memory management, pointer arithmetic, and inline assembly code Could someone write a device driver in factor? It compiles to machine code and has features that might hint at this possibility. If someone wants to slap me for asking more dumb questions, email me offline to set up an appointment :) -Patrick -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy1 ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Cheat sheet?
The documents that John prepared are very helpful but I still very much miss having a cheat sheet. As I was saying, I find the line between core language and standard library very fuzzy. One thing I love about cheat sheets is, at a glance you can survey what the core language is and what is left to learn. I have started another document, it's kind of a factor anatomy. I have started taking code and assigning numbered bullets to different parts of it, for instance: 1): sillyAdd 1 1 + ;2) Would have a note at the bottom stating that 1) and 2) are opening and closing markers for a word definition. I took someone's code and make a document in Inkscape. I contacted the author to make sure he did not mind but I did not hear back so I will have to start again. Once I have enough of these to cover the core language I will share with everyone. -Patrick On 11-09-21 01:25 PM, Mute clown wrote: Oh id love one, especially since im not a frequent factor coder; would make it easier to do write more code in factor. On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Patrick Mc(avery patr...@spellingbeewinnars.org mailto:patr...@spellingbeewinnars.org wrote: I really miss not having a cheat sheet for factor, it's a great way to get a compete but high level view of a language. Does anyone know if there is one kicking around? If not I will try to make one tonight, perhaps the list can help me fix errors and omissions after. -Patrick -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-devcon-copy2 ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy1 ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy1___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Printing the docs
I would like a hard copy of the documentation and I asked for help on the IRC last night and got some help: documentation is in **/*-docs.factor. you can run USE: help.html generate-help to generate HTML help, which will give you the same thing that's on docs.factorcode.org I tried to run this in the listener but if it generated the documentation in a folder I can't find it. Sorry to be so dumb, if someone could tell me how to print the documentation I promise not to ask so many dumb question :) -Patrick -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-devcon-copy2 ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Printing the docs
On 11-09-18 03:11 PM, John Benediktsson wrote: Which parts of the documentation are you looking for? I wrote some code to generate PDF's from parts of the Factor documentation: [ snip ] Best, John. Hi John This is a big help thanks! This will keep me busy for a while. I was planning on printing all of the documentation but thanks to Joe and the fellow on IRC I have a folder of html documents and I can see there is a crap-load of documentation here(how did you guys even write this?). I was also thinking about printing out all of the factor files in the source but it looks like it would be 4600 pages. At 30 cents a sheet for colour(I like syntax highlighting) that would kill my wallet(actually several wallets) and a tree too :) I'm not joking, I am thinking about factor at night when I dream, it's absolutely fascinating but I am having a hard time learning it. With most languages you can learn the core first and the libraries later, with factor the line between the two is fuzzy and it seems like a full blown effort is required. -Patrick -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-devcon-copy2 ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Cheat sheet?
I really miss not having a cheat sheet for factor, it's a great way to get a compete but high level view of a language. Does anyone know if there is one kicking around? If not I will try to make one tonight, perhaps the list can help me fix errors and omissions after. -Patrick -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-devcon-copy2 ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Understanding FFI
From the docs and John Benidiktsson's blog: http://re-factor.blogspot.com fun with wav I have learn quite a bit about the FFI. However if someone could guide me, I just want to make sure I have a sensible design pattern for it. My application is control of scientific instruments. The I/O functions are short lived but each call is important, I don't want to miss data points. I was thinking that if factor could write to a C struct then a hardware control daemon in C could run I/O functions in a loop that would take arguments from the struct and factor would only guide the daemon from the struct. Does this sound sensible? Is there anything that might cause factor to block the C functions if it was only accessing the struct? Thanks for reading-Patrick -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA Learn about the latest advances in developing for the BlackBerryreg; mobile platform with sessions, labs more. See new tools and technologies. Register for BlackBerryreg; DevCon today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-devcon-copy1 ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Raven link
Not sure if this is the right place for it but there is a bad link on : http://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Raven Raven: is a link farm now http://mythago.net/language.html -Patrick -- Doing More with Less: The Next Generation Virtual Desktop What are the key obstacles that have prevented many mid-market businesses from deploying virtual desktops? How do next-generation virtual desktops provide companies an easier-to-deploy, easier-to-manage and more affordable virtual desktop model.http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51426474/ ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] frequency of vocabularies
Like other languages with large libraries, it takes time to learn them and it is not always obvious what they do. I am trying to focus on learning the most common vocabularies. I copied all the factor files from the factor source directory: cp $(find -name *.factor) /home/patrick/my_Factor Then I used these commands to count and sort the vocabularies used: cat * | tr -s ' ' | tr 'A-Z' 'a-z' | grep using: | tr ' ' '\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort /home/patrick/factorVocabulary.csv After some tweaking in a spreadsheet I have a long list. Here is the the top 50. Referencing the using count of 5575 do the other counts seem reasonable? (some may be junk from my commands) Thanks-Patrick 5575 using: 3128 kernel 1634 math 1582 accessors 1420 sequences 1176 tools.test 1080 help.markup 1052 help.syntax 1040 arrays 860 prettyprint 814 assocs 676 namespaces 542 io 524 alien.c-types 466 combinators 378 fry 354 strings 322 alien 314 alien.syntax 244 locals 234 words 224 math.parser 206 io.files 206 calendar 192 math.functions 190 math.order 180 continuations 172 hashtables 164 byte-arrays 160 quotations 158 classes.struct 154 classes 144 make 134 math.ranges 132 project-euler.common 120 io.streams.string 114 ui.gadgets 112 grouping 110 generic 110 destructors 104 parser 98 system 96 definitions 92 combinators.short-circuit 90 threads 88 math.vectors 88 io.pathnames 84 compiler.units 82 splitting -- Using storage to extend the benefits of virtualization and iSCSI Virtualization increases hardware utilization and delivers a new level of agility. Learn what those decisions are and how to modernize your storage and backup environments for virtualization. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51434361/ ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] beginner digest 1 / FLTK / beta? / blocking
Hi Everyone I am reading about Factor every chance I get, I have lots of questions. I'm trying to bundle them to avoid spamming the list but if this is still too much, let me know... http://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Factor/FAQ/Why%3F Factor is an experiment I'd feel better if this read, factor was an experiment. Is it still beta software? I know that the site also mentioned that there wouldn't be a book written until 1.0 but were pretty close to this now, no? So factor is single threaded, this does not alarm me. If I am reading data from a serial port or other hardware, there is usually data being buffered in hardware and by the OS, right? I won't necessary lose data points will I? I understand that the FFI does not support C++. I would like to use FLTK(written in C++). Does anyone have any suggestions on the best way to do this? Is there some sort of inter-process communication that would work well between the two? This language is really neat, the wheels in my head are spinning at the possibilities-Patrick -- Malware Security Report: Protecting Your Business, Customers, and the Bottom Line. Protect your business and customers by understanding the threat from malware and how it can impact your online business. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51427462/ ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Mixed up about deployment
Hi Everyone This is my first post here. Factor is kinda weird but really-REALLY interesting. I am thinking about using it for a for-profit but GPL application to control scientific instruments. The libraries seem pretty large, it seems suitable for pipe like communication between computer and instrument and I find it easy to visualize what's happening in a stack based language while others sometime just seem like a black box. I was reading this: http://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Factor/Deployment but I am still a bit mixed up. I understand that I can generate binaries and deploy them on various targets but this portion of the process is a bit fuzzy for me. I run GNU/Linux. If I use GCC for C I end up with an executable or if I use a #!/usr/bin/env lua line it calls the Lua interpreter if the file has executable permissions and if I use lua somefile.lua then I don't need the shebang line, the file gets passed to the interpreter. With factor, what is happening during deployment? Is there an interpreter built into it's own executable like py2exe? : http://www.py2exe.org/ Here it mentions that it uses a smalltalk like image model: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factor_(programming_language) I don't know much about smalltalk, are there any downfalls to this approach? does it mean heavier memory use at runtime? is there more redundancy between files compared to files being sent to a separate interpreter at runtime like Lua? Disk spaces is almost irrelevant now but it would still be good to know. If several instances of the same program were running at the same time would there be memory waste vs the other approaches? Thanks for reading-Patrick -- Why Cloud-Based Security and Archiving Make Sense Osterman Research conducted this study that outlines how and why cloud computing security and archiving is rapidly being adopted across the IT space for its ease of implementation, lower cost, and increased reliability. Learn more. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51425301/ ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
