[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Fw: FRENCHISMS

2005-11-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I don't normally send these kind of things to the list 
> but  thought it too funny not to share. Enjoy!

And, as the token Frenchie here, I agree with you.
Comments below...

> ---Original Message---
> "France has neither winter nor summer nor morals. Apart from 
> these drawbacks it is a fine country. France has usually been 
> governed by prostitutes." Mark Twain.

All true.  Morals are for spiritual and evolutionary
adolescents.  More evolved folk rely on ethics. Morality
is an attempt to impose a description of right and wrong
on people from the outside, in the form of accepted and
acceptable codes of conduct. Ethics comes from the inside
out; you act according to your intuition, secure in the
belief that most of the time its promptings are more in
tune with things than an old, crusty codified system of
laws and guidelines. Prostitutes, as a result of their
experience with the distinction between morals and ethics,
are probably the people most fit to govern.  :-)

> -
> "I would rather have a German division in front of me than 
> a French one behind me." General George S. Patton.
> -
> "Going to war without France is like going deer hunting 
> without your accordion." Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

While these snipes are deserved, it is worthwhile for 
Americans, who after all sat back behind the protective
wall of 3000 miles of ocean in a land that had never
had a war fought on its own territory, to remember the
actual circumstances leading up to France's capitulation
in WWII.  During the first 2-3 months of the war, France
lost more men than America lost during the *entire* war.
Their population was essentially decimated.  They were
clearly outclassed by the more advanced and more tech-
savvy German army; it was no contest. So they gave up
and waited for a better day, rather than lose *all* of
their fighting men. Again, it's something Americans, 
with their short view of history (200 years or so) don't
understand. Europeans have seen their countries become
conquerors or conquered dozens of times over the centuries,
and know that neither condition is lasting. Sometimes it's
better to allow the predators to take over for a short
while, marshalling one's strength while waiting for a more
opportune time to fight.

> 
> "We can stand here like the French, or we can do something 
> about it."  Marge Simpson

This is clearly ingorance of the true nature of the
French. Whatever the waiting situation was, they would
not be standing, but sitting in a comfortable cafe.

> -
> "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure" Jacques 
> Chirac, President of France "As far as France is concerned, 
> you're right."  Rush Limbaugh,

Says the closet drug addict to the person basically
taking the same position as most of the spiritual
leaders in history. IMO war *does* always connote 
failure.

> -
> "The only time France wants us to go to war is when the 
> German Army is sitting in Paris sipping coffee."  Regis Philbin.

The German army sipping coffee in Paris is, however,
the reason that Paris still looks like Paris. Other-
wise, it would have been destroyed. Me, I think in
the long run it was a wise course of action...allow
the Nazi closet cases to strut around like winners 
for three years or so while you're biding your time
and waiting for the right moment to send them home
where they belong.

> -
> "The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not 
> dressed any better, on average than the citizens of Baltimore.

The first of these witticisms that is clearly untrue.
At least in Paris, the French know how to dress and
how to keep themselves fit. Your average American
tourist there looks like a dumpling dressed in K-mart
blue light specials by comparison. :-)

> True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups 
> of coffee, but why this is more stylish than sitting inside 
> and drinking large glasses of whisky I don't know."  P.J O
> Rourke (1989).

PJ missed the boat on this one. The sidewalk cafe is
arguably the highest point of Western civilization. 
Anyone who doesn't get that is a barbarian, or in this
case, a drunk. :-)

> ---
> "You know, the French remind me a little bit of an aging 
> actress of the 1940s who was still trying to dine out on 
> her looks but doesn't have the
> face for it."  John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona.

Absolutely true. No rebuttal offered, because it IS true.
On the other hand, using the same metaphor, America is
the aging starlet who never had more than a minor role
in any of her films, 30 years ago, but talks about her
time as a "star" incessantly.

> -
> "You know why the French don't want to bomb Saddam Hussein? 
> because he hates America, he loves mistresses and wears a beret.
> He i

[FairfieldLife] Re: FRENCHISMS

2005-11-25 Thread feste37
Ah, but Uns, they have Thierry Henry! 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > From: M.A. Hudspeth 
> > Date: 11/22/05 21:13:13 
> > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:, 
> > Subject: Fw: FRENCHISMS
> > "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French
> > one behind me." General George S. Patton.
> 
> Try putting "French military victories" into Google
> and then press the "I Feel Lucky" button.
> Uns.
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[FairfieldLife] Complete military history of France

2005-11-25 Thread matrixmonitor
--- plugging "French military victories" (feeling lucky) into Google 
yields French military defeats!

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

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[FairfieldLife] Very Sad News

2005-11-25 Thread Blue Star



From;  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/circle2012dreams/  VERY SAD NEWS The Supreme Court has ruled that there cannot be a Nativity Scene in Washington, DC this Christmas season. This isn't for any religious reason,they simply have not been able to find three wise men and a virgin in the Nation's capitol. There was no problem, however, finding enough asses to fill the stable.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FRENCHISMS

2005-11-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > From: M.A. Hudspeth 
> > Date: 11/22/05 21:13:13 
> > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:, 
> > Subject: Fw: FRENCHISMS
> > "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French
> > one behind me." General George S. Patton.
> 
> Try putting "French military victories" into Google
> and then press the "I Feel Lucky" button.
> Uns.
>

that's hilarious!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: FRENCHISMS (Let Them Eat Cake)

2005-11-25 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > From: M.A. Hudspeth 
> > Date: 11/22/05 21:13:13 
> > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:, 
> > Subject: Fw: FRENCHISMS
> > "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French
> > one behind me." General George S. Patton.
> 
> Try putting "French military victories" into Google
> and then press the "I Feel Lucky" button.
> Uns.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FRENCHISMS

2005-11-25 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> From: M.A. Hudspeth 
> Date: 11/22/05 21:13:13 
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:, 
> Subject: Fw: FRENCHISMS
> "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French
> one behind me." General George S. Patton.

Try putting "French military victories" into Google
and then press the "I Feel Lucky" button.
Uns.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy

2005-11-25 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Judy,
> > > 
> > > As you may have noticed, my appearances here are somewhat 
sporadic 
> > > these days, so forgive me if I am covering old ground, but…
> > > 
> > > When were you last in FF? I believe I remember reading some 
time
> > > ago that you were here in the 80's perhaps.
> > > 
> > > I am suggesting, for the sake of a more rewarding experience 
of 
> > > satsang, that you plan to visit for a week or two sometime in 
the 
> > > coming year.
> > 
> > Well, thanks for the suggestion, but to be honest,
> > I haven't the *slightest* desire to visit Fairfield,
> > for "satsang" or anything else.  I have nothing
> > against Fairfield, but it's just not on my list of
> > Neat Places to Visit.
> 


> I can only second LB's suggestion to visit FF. FF's real time 
satsang
> would allow you to delve deeply into the kind of stuff you like to
> discuss online, but minus all the adhominable assholiness.
> 
> Alex
>

*

I reccommend FF too, but not for the surface values there (and 
especially not the coffeehaus chitchat), which are pretty much what 
you find in a thousand other small college towns, but for the 
background influence of TMers there which create an atmosphere 
conducive to more profound experiences in TM, regardless of the 
efforts of the bliss nazi community to stifle any signs of life and 
happiness. I have better experiences in meditation there than 
elsewhere, and that's worth a lot, especially now that my warranty 
has expired (just turned 59).







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[FairfieldLife] Re: When the student is ready the teacher will appear

2005-11-25 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> > At an MIU class on pulse twenty or so years ago, I was asked to 
feel 
> > the pulse of the person sitting next to me, who had been 
instructed 
> > to think the word "mangala," whose meaning I did not know at the 
> > time. I almost immediately felt an immense sensation of power, 
which 
> > is a characteristic of the planet Mars (mangala in Sanskrit). 
> > Definitely convinced me of the validity of pulse diagnosis...
> 


> The thing that appealed to me about pulse diagnosis
> was the *self*-pulse diagnosis aspect--like biofeedback
> but without any machines.
> 
> (I took one class with Dr. Douillard on a course years
> ago, but I never pursued it.)



MUM students learning pulse first year:

http://tinyurl.com/bbjgc
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[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy

2005-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Shemp
> > > > > That's a very funny comment, first time I remember laughing 
> > > > > at something you wrote.
> > > > 
> > > > I suspect he was referring to Uncle Tantra (Barry, 
> > > > TurquoiseB).
> > > 
> > > Judy, yah, I got that. What I found funny was the image of you 
> > > sitting in a room with Barry and Shemp having a spiritual 
> > > satsang.
> > 
> > Indeed.
> > 
> > I thought you might have interpreted it as me and
> > Shemp engaging in tantric, er, activities, which is
> > an even funnier image.
> 
> Why?  Are you going to laugh at my Little Elvis?

Let's just say we'd be unlikely to get that far.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy

2005-11-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Shemp
> > > > That's a very funny comment, first time I remember laughing 
at
> > > > something you wrote.
> > > 
> > > I suspect he was referring to Uncle Tantra (Barry, TurquoiseB).
> > 
> > Judy, yah, I got that. What I found funny was the image of you 
> > sitting in a room with Barry and Shemp having a spiritual 
satsang.
> 
> Indeed.
> 
> I thought you might have interpreted it as me and
> Shemp engaging in tantric, er, activities, which is
> an even funnier image.
>


Why?  Are you going to laugh at my Little Elvis?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy

2005-11-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Shemp
> That's a very funny comment, first time I remember laughing at
> something you wrote.



I'm quite the wit.


> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > L B Shriver wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > I am suggesting, for the sake of a more rewarding 
experience 
> > of 
> > > > > > satsang, that you plan to visit for a week or two 
sometime in
> > > > > > the coming year.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Judy replied:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, thanks for the suggestion, but to be honest,
> > > > > I haven't the *slightest* desire to visit Fairfield,
> > > > > for "satsang" or anything else.  
> > > > 
> > > > Just wondering, Judy, would you be interested in a live, 
> > > > in-person satsang at any venue?
> > > 
> > > Do you mean satsang as in sit around informally
> > > with spiritual compatriots and yakking about
> > > experiences and stuff?  Or do you mean a meeting
> > > led by a holy person of some sort?
> > > 
> > > I wouldn't be averse to either if the people involved
> > > were compatible
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Would you attend one if it were you, me and Tantra?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > and it was convenient to get to, but
> > > it isn't anything I'd seek out.
> > > 
> > > Why?  What is this get-Judy-to-a-satsang movement?
> > >
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Greenland Thaw

2005-11-25 Thread shempmcgurk
That is why the ice caps on Mars are melting too: the Sun is giving 
off more heat.



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> Published on Sunday, November 20, 2005 by the lndependent/UK  
> The Big Thaw: Global Disaster Will Follow If the Ice Cap on 
Greenland 
> Melts
> Now scientists say it is vanishing far faster than even they 
expected.
>  
> by Geoffrey Lean 
>   
> Greenland's glaciers have begun to race towards the ocean, leading 
> scientists to predict that the vast island's ice cap is 
approaching 
> irreversible meltdown, The Independent on Sunday can reveal. 
> 
> Research to be published in a few days' time shows how glaciers 
that 
> have been stable for centuries have started to shrink dramatically 
as 
> temperatures in the Arctic have soared with global warming. On top 
of 
> this, record amounts of the ice cap's surface turned to water this 
> summer.
> 
> The two developments - the most alarming manifestations of climate 
> change to date - suggest that the ice cap is melting far more 
rapidly 
> than scientists had thought, with immense consequences for 
> civilisation and the planet. Its complete disappearance would 
raise 
> the levels of the world's seas by 20 feet, spelling inundation for 
> London and other coastal cities around the globe, along with much 
of 
> low-lying countries such as Bangladesh.
> 
> More immediately, the vast amount of fresh water discharged into 
the 
> ocean as the ice melts threatens to shut down the Gulf Stream, 
which 
> protects Britain and the rest of northern Europe from a freezing 
> climate like that of Labrador.
> 
> The revelations, which follow the announcement that the melting of 
> sea ice in the Arctic also reached record levels this summer, come 
as 
> the world's governments are about to embark on new negotiations 
about 
> how to combat global warming.
> 
> This week they will meet in Montreal for the first formal talks on 
> whether there should be a new international treaty on cutting the 
> pollution that causes climate change after the Kyoto protocol 
expires 
> in seven years' time. Writing in The Independent yesterday, Tony 
> Blair called the meeting "crucial", adding that it "must start to 
> shape an inclusive global solution". But little progress is 
expected, 
> largely because of continued obstruction from President George 
Bush.
> 
> The new evidence from Greenland, to be published in the journal 
> Geophysical Research Letters, shows a sudden decline in the giant 
> Helheim glacier, a river of ice that grinds down from the inland 
ice 
> cap to the sea through a narrow rift in the mountain range on the 
> island's east coast.
> 
> Professor Slawek Tulaczyk, of the Department of Earth Sciences at 
the 
> University of California, Santa Cruz, told the IoS that the 
glacier 
> had dropped 100 feet this summer.
> 
> Over the past four years, the research adds, the front of the 
> glacier - which has remained in the same place since records 
began - 
> has retreated four and a half miles. As it has retreated and 
thinned, 
> the effects have spread inland "very fast indeed", says Professor 
> Tulaczyk. As the centre of the Greenland ice cap is only 150 miles 
> away, the researchers fear that it, too, will soon be affected.
> 
> The research echoes disturbing studies on the opposite side of 
> Greenland: the giant Jakobshavn glacier - at four miles wide and 
> 1,000 feet thick the biggest on the landmass - is now moving 
towards 
> the sea at a rate of 113 feet a year; the normal annual speed of a 
> glacier is just one foot.
> 
> The studies have found that water from melted ice on the surface 
is 
> percolating down through holes on the glacier until it forms a 
layer 
> between it and the rock below, slightly lifting it and moving it 
> toward the sea as if on a conveyor belt. This one glacier alone is 
> reckoned now to be responsible for 3 per cent of the annual rise 
of 
> sea levels worldwide.
> 
> "We may be very close to the threshold where the Greenland ice cap 
> will melt irreversibly," says Tavi Murray, professor of glaciology 
at 
> the University of Wales. Professor Tulaczyk adds: "The 
observations 
> that we are seeing now point in that direction."
> 
> Until now, scientists believed the ice cap would take 1,000 years 
to 
> melt entirely, but Ian Howat, who is working with Professor 
Tulaczyk, 
> says the new developments could "easily" cut this time "in half".
> 
> There is also a more immediate danger as the melting ice threatens 
to 
> disrupt the Gulf Stream, responsible for Britain's mild climate. 
The 
> current, which brings us as much heat in winter as we get from the 
> sun, is driven by very salty water sinking off Greenland. This 
drives 
> a deep current of cold ocean southwards, in turn forcing the warm 
> water north.
> 
> Research at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute in 
Massachusetts 
> has shown, that even before the glaciers started accelerating,

[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy

2005-11-25 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Shemp
> > > That's a very funny comment, first time I remember laughing at
> > > something you wrote.
> > 
> > I suspect he was referring to Uncle Tantra (Barry, TurquoiseB).
> 
> Judy, yah, I got that. What I found funny was the image of you 
> sitting in a room with Barry and Shemp having a spiritual satsang.

Shemp and I would have a grand time.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy

2005-11-25 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > I'm sure there's a huge difference, and for those to
> > whom it's important to engage in such discussions at
> > the most profound levels, no doubt they could do a
> > lot worse than attending Fairfield satsangs.
> > 
> > But it's just not my bag, not part of my sadhana,
> > so to speak.  Chatting in electronic forums is fun,
> > but I don't regard it as "pursuing truth" in any
> > significant sense, at least not for me personally.
> 
> Wow. Yet another place where we differ, *profoundly* :-)

Though I certainly agree that immersion in a real-time satsang is in 
some ways more immediately and viscerally fulfilling than an 
electronic forum. I too wish to extend my heartiest welcome to you, 
Judy, to enjoy our Fairfield "Kumbha Mela" personally and physically 
*if* at any time you should ever have the slightest desire to do 
so!  :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Happy Turkeyradiance Day

2005-11-25 Thread Kirk





Happy Turkey Transcendence Day.  
 
Yesterday. 
 
Hope everyone had lots to eat, and nobody had upset 
stomachs or headaches from super high sodium. My boss is a seeming human and 
takes all the holidays off. It's whack! I got to set myself up the whole dollar. 
I ate at the in-laws and the food was perfect.  All my favorite New Orleans 
stuff like of course the turk, stuf, grav an cran, and praline sweet potatoes, 
artichoke caserole, that was enough already. as it was C cooked so many little 
side dishes she even forgot a couple, like the choucroute,in the mike and 
fridge! I brought a yule log made from angel food and whipped cream with 
strawberrys sliced in it and a bit of jack daniels.  E points out later 
that her mom sneakily keeps the left over cake while giving the rest of the 
leftovers away. That's ok cause I really made the dessert for E's mom anyway 
because she likes feathery light stuff the most. 
 
Thanksgiving in Metairie. We were thinking about 
being 40 percent of the population where entire very rich city populations 
with local color galore still did not exist again since Katrina, in the city, 
and without as well, all the way to our previous favorite spots in the Panhandle 
like Santa Rosa island near Ft. Walton. They had imported white sand from 
Australia, before, not so sure now. Not sure if The Docks - the bar at the 
beach, ever came back or had been destroyed again even, or what. 
 
This morning My wife E,  hasn't yet worked up 
the nerve to fight the mob at the Outlet mall but will soon. I have nothing to 
do in the whole world. I'll just tag along for the ride, in my new Honda Civic, 
with built in subwoofer.  I been listening to soul untiil my wife is blue 
in the face with it.  She say, can you turn that shit down please. She 
actually finally turned sick. Not from the music I'm sure, but probably just 
eating too mch. We normally eat pretty light. I ate much more than I thought I 
would and then I couldn't keep my eyes open and conked out almost at the 
table.  
 
Naw, she was psychic, the FEMA inspector just 
called and said he had to come tomorrow.  No lie. They had called earlier 
this morning to see if we wanted a trailer.  We said no. My wife can't 
believe one of her rich bosses got one, to live in for two nights when their 
floors are being redone. 
 
Later we went and saw Harry Potters' Hot Goblet, 
and I couldn't keep my eyes open again. Yesterday. I was listening to En Vogues 
new album with a bit different line up. They sould like angels at the gates of 
heaven.  Today things aren't moving very fast.  Like in general. 
Sometimes I feel like I'm swimming in slow motion or backwards or under water in 
a cheap old black and white film.
 
It's really easy to drive by houses that have 
fallen to pieces under their own weight, whole neighborhoods that might be 
tomorrow's interstate. One gets used to destruction. I always wondered what it 
was like in Bosnia where the city was raining debris continually from the 
non-stop shelling for years.  I used to think, "Poor women and little 
children."  
 
Living in a disaster zone sort of absolves one from 
needing to dream of serving others finally. One's hold on time immedifies (new 
word). The past is gone, the future is blank, and the present is all that there 
is really.  I hear that most of the chicks in the city are pretty randy and 
if I weren't married then any evening could provide some comfort.  Instead, 
in whatsoever a small way I have friends that love to describe their horny 
histrionics sans palliative, so it's as if one is there anyway. 
 
Somewhere within here I'm doing something, if even 
its trying to ignore that I might be becoming readdicted to smoking again. I'm 
truely just writing to pass the time. Fuck it. I'm going for a smoke.  
Damnit. Little children, dont follow my examples. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may

2005-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Judy
> What a crystal clear response detailing the levels of thought that
> are behind your posts. If everyone were as well versed in the 
> exigencies of language including dialectec, infinite regress, etc. 
> I suspect the battles would still rage but in a very different way. 
> You are to be marveled at for having the mental stamina to carry 
> though in the fashion you do. 

Thank you, I think.  Or maybe not.

All this isn't anywhere near as esoteric as it
may sound; it's really not much more than common
sense and paying attention.  As I said in a follow-
up post, many here do superbly well in these
respects, IMHO.  It isn't a matter of being "well
versed"; any reasonably literate person is aware
of this stuff more or less instinctively, whether
they use fancy names for it or not.

But too many times we go off on unproductive
tangents because somebody hasn't bothered to
put much effort into thinking through what they
have to say or communicating it clearly. They're
more interested in showing off or playing games
or constructing a clever putdown, or they're
just plain lazy.

No doubt I'm guilty of this myself from time
to time.



> Ken
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> > A major part of the difficulty in talking about
> > enlightenment, it seems to me, is that folks--
> > *especially* you, Barry--don't bother to think
> > through what they're saying.
> > 
> > Describing  enlightenment is problematic enough
> > when you knock yourself out to be precise in the
> > way you use words.  When you use them *sloppily*,
> > when you don't respect the exigiencies of language
> > or the nature of dialectic, you introduce all 
> > kinds of unnecessary obstacles (especially when
> > you allow personal animus to make putting somebody
> > down more important than communicating).
> > 
> > Even when you use paradox or contradiction or
> > infinite regress--or imagery, analogy, and
> > metaphor, for that matter--as pointers, you need
> > to do it with awareness and precision and
> > attention to context.  If you break a rule of
> > language or logic to try to get around its
> > limitations, you need to know that you're doing
> > it and *why* you're doing it.  It has to be done
> > purposefully if you want it to further rather
> > than impede communication.
> > 
> > It isn't possible to describe enlightenment
> > precisely, but that doesn't mean it can't be talked
> > about at all.  It does mean that precision and care
> > in the *way* you use language to communicate about
> > enlightenment is crucial if the discussion is to be
> > at all useful.
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy

2005-11-25 Thread L B Shriver
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Replies interleaved below.



Mine too.


> 
> > --- Gillam wrote:
> > > 
> > > Just wondering, Judy, would you be interested in a live, 
> > > in-person satsang at any venue?
> > 
> > Judy wrote:
> >
> > Do you mean satsang as in sit around informally
> > with spiritual compatriots and yakking about
> > experiences and stuff?  Or do you mean a meeting
> > led by a holy person of some sort?
> 
> I define satsang as an inquiry into truth in the company of someone who's 
> awakened to 
it. 
> This forum has pretty much disabused me of the notion that such a person 
> would be in 
> any way holy, though.



I have found two definitions of satsang to be useful:

1) Good company.

2) To sit in the presence of Truth.


>  
> > Why?  What is this get-Judy-to-a-satsang movement?
> 
> Not on my part. I simply couldn't tell if your objection was with satsang, 
> Fairfield or 
both. 
> With your willingness to pursue truth in this medium, I figured the problem 
> was with 
> Fairfield, but I wanted to be sure.
> 
> I've read here that there's a big difference between having these discussions 
> in person 
with 
> awakened people and doing it in writing like this. I assumed that this 
> difference is what 
lay 
> behind L B's suggestion that you visit Fairfield.
>


Bingo.

L B S







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[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy

2005-11-25 Thread Rory Goff
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> Truth is where you find it, I guess.


Agreed! :-) :-) :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may

2005-11-25 Thread Kenny H
Judy
What a crystal clear response detailing the levels of thought that are
behind your posts. If everyone were as well versed in the exigencies
of language including dialectec, infinite regress, etc. I suspect the
battles would still rage but in a very different way. You are to be
marveled at for having the mental stamina to carry though in the
fashion you do. 
Ken


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A major part of the difficulty in talking about
> enlightenment, it seems to me, is that folks--
> *especially* you, Barry--don't bother to think
> through what they're saying.
> 
> Describing  enlightenment is problematic enough
> when you knock yourself out to be precise in the
> way you use words.  When you use them *sloppily*,
> when you don't respect the exigiencies of language
> or the nature of dialectic, you introduce all 
> kinds of unnecessary obstacles (especially when
> you allow personal animus to make putting somebody
> down more important than communicating).
> 
> Even when you use paradox or contradiction or
> infinite regress--or imagery, analogy, and
> metaphor, for that matter--as pointers, you need
> to do it with awareness and precision and
> attention to context.  If you break a rule of
> language or logic to try to get around its
> limitations, you need to know that you're doing
> it and *why* you're doing it.  It has to be done
> purposefully if you want it to further rather
> than impede communication.
> 
> It isn't possible to describe enlightenment
> precisely, but that doesn't mean it can't be talked
> about at all.  It does mean that precision and care
> in the *way* you use language to communicate about
> enlightenment is crucial if the discussion is to be
> at all useful.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy

2005-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > I'm sure there's a huge difference, and for those to
> > whom it's important to engage in such discussions at
> > the most profound levels, no doubt they could do a
> > lot worse than attending Fairfield satsangs.
> > 
> > But it's just not my bag, not part of my sadhana,
> > so to speak.  Chatting in electronic forums is fun,
> > but I don't regard it as "pursuing truth" in any
> > significant sense, at least not for me personally.
> 
> Wow. Yet another place where we differ, *profoundly* :-)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy

2005-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Shemp
> > > That's a very funny comment, first time I remember laughing at
> > > something you wrote.
> > 
> > I suspect he was referring to Uncle Tantra (Barry, TurquoiseB).
> 
> Judy, yah, I got that. What I found funny was the image of you 
> sitting in a room with Barry and Shemp having a spiritual satsang.

Indeed.

I thought you might have interpreted it as me and
Shemp engaging in tantric, er, activities, which is
an even funnier image.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy

2005-11-25 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm sure there's a huge difference, and for those to
> whom it's important to engage in such discussions at
> the most profound levels, no doubt they could do a
> lot worse than attending Fairfield satsangs.
> 
> But it's just not my bag, not part of my sadhana,
> so to speak.  Chatting in electronic forums is fun,
> but I don't regard it as "pursuing truth" in any
> significant sense, at least not for me personally.

Wow. Yet another place where we differ, *profoundly* :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy

2005-11-25 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Shemp
> > That's a very funny comment, first time I remember laughing at
> > something you wrote.
> 
> I suspect he was referring to Uncle Tantra (Barry, TurquoiseB).
> 

Judy, yah, I got that. What I found funny was the image of you sitting
in a room with Barry and Shemp having a spiritual satsang.



> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > L B Shriver wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > I am suggesting, for the sake of a more rewarding 
> experience 
> > > of 
> > > > > > > satsang, that you plan to visit for a week or two 
> sometime in
> > > > > > > the coming year.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Judy replied:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, thanks for the suggestion, but to be honest,
> > > > > > I haven't the *slightest* desire to visit Fairfield,
> > > > > > for "satsang" or anything else.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Just wondering, Judy, would you be interested in a live, 
> > > > > in-person satsang at any venue?
> > > > 
> > > > Do you mean satsang as in sit around informally
> > > > with spiritual compatriots and yakking about
> > > > experiences and stuff?  Or do you mean a meeting
> > > > led by a holy person of some sort?
> > > > 
> > > > I wouldn't be averse to either if the people involved
> > > > were compatible
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Would you attend one if it were you, me and Tantra?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > and it was convenient to get to, but
> > > > it isn't anything I'd seek out.
> > > > 
> > > > Why?  What is this get-Judy-to-a-satsang movement?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy

2005-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Replies interleaved below.
> 
> > --- Gillam wrote:
> > > 
> > > Just wondering, Judy, would you be interested in a live, 
> > > in-person satsang at any venue?
> > 
> > Judy wrote:
> >
> > Do you mean satsang as in sit around informally
> > with spiritual compatriots and yakking about
> > experiences and stuff?  Or do you mean a meeting
> > led by a holy person of some sort?
> 
> I define satsang as an inquiry into truth in the company of someone 
who's awakened to it. 
> This forum has pretty much disabused me of the notion that such a 
person would be in 
> any way holy, though.

I was using "holy person" as a sort of umbrella term
to mean an established awakened teacher.

> > Why?  What is this get-Judy-to-a-satsang movement?
> 
> Not on my part. I simply couldn't tell if your objection was with 
satsang, Fairfield or both. 
> With your willingness to pursue truth in this medium, I figured the 
problem was with 
> Fairfield, but I wanted to be sure.

Well, I don't see it as a "problem" either way.  It's
just that Fairfield is not on my list of places I'd
like to visit, and satsang is not on my list of things
I'm particularly interested in doing.

> I've read here that there's a big difference between having these 
discussions in person with 
> awakened people and doing it in writing like this. I assumed that 
this difference is what lay 
> behind L B's suggestion that you visit Fairfield.

I'm sure there's a huge difference, and for those to
whom it's important to engage in such discussions at
the most profound levels, no doubt they could do a
lot worse than attending Fairfield satsangs.

But it's just not my bag, not part of my sadhana,
so to speak.  Chatting in electronic forums is fun,
but I don't regard it as "pursuing truth" in any
significant sense, at least not for me personally.

If I had the opportunity to be in the relatively
intimate company of (i.e., in a room with as opposed to
in a big hall with), say, Maharishi or Mother Meera,
and it was relatively easy for me to get to, I might
well take it.  But that would be more for the darshan
than the satsang, if I can make such a distinction.  I
wouldn't exert myself to go see Amma, though, or any
other "saint" I can think of offhand. *Maybe* Adi Da.

(Obviously it's unlikely I'd ever get that opportunity,
but just hypothetically, as a measure of my interest
level.)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy

2005-11-25 Thread Patrick Gillam
Replies interleaved below.

> --- Gillam wrote:
> > 
> > Just wondering, Judy, would you be interested in a live, 
> > in-person satsang at any venue?
> 
> Judy wrote:
>
> Do you mean satsang as in sit around informally
> with spiritual compatriots and yakking about
> experiences and stuff?  Or do you mean a meeting
> led by a holy person of some sort?

I define satsang as an inquiry into truth in the company of someone who's 
awakened to it. 
This forum has pretty much disabused me of the notion that such a person would 
be in 
any way holy, though.
 
> Why?  What is this get-Judy-to-a-satsang movement?

Not on my part. I simply couldn't tell if your objection was with satsang, 
Fairfield or both. 
With your willingness to pursue truth in this medium, I figured the problem was 
with 
Fairfield, but I wanted to be sure.

I've read here that there's a big difference between having these discussions 
in person with 
awakened people and doing it in writing like this. I assumed that this 
difference is what lay 
behind L B's suggestion that you visit Fairfield.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy

2005-11-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Shemp
> That's a very funny comment, first time I remember laughing at
> something you wrote.

I suspect he was referring to Uncle Tantra (Barry, TurquoiseB).

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > L B Shriver wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > I am suggesting, for the sake of a more rewarding 
experience 
> > of 
> > > > > > satsang, that you plan to visit for a week or two 
sometime in
> > > > > > the coming year.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Judy replied:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, thanks for the suggestion, but to be honest,
> > > > > I haven't the *slightest* desire to visit Fairfield,
> > > > > for "satsang" or anything else.  
> > > > 
> > > > Just wondering, Judy, would you be interested in a live, 
> > > > in-person satsang at any venue?
> > > 
> > > Do you mean satsang as in sit around informally
> > > with spiritual compatriots and yakking about
> > > experiences and stuff?  Or do you mean a meeting
> > > led by a holy person of some sort?
> > > 
> > > I wouldn't be averse to either if the people involved
> > > were compatible
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Would you attend one if it were you, me and Tantra?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > and it was convenient to get to, but
> > > it isn't anything I'd seek out.
> > > 
> > > Why?  What is this get-Judy-to-a-satsang movement?
> > >
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may

2005-11-25 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
I wish to share a general comment on freewill and enlightenment that
came up a few days ago under this subject line. THis comment is not
aimed at anyone in particular so please take it as that. To understand
this completely you need to break the word freewill into its component
parts.

FREE
Enlightenment is absolutely free, it will only cost you every single
concept you have ever had about it.

WILL
Enlightenment will happen, bend over. 

Tom T






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rays of Sun??

2005-11-25 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
>  It is a mantra for sleep, 
> "For sound sleep:
> 1. Om agasti shayinah"
> so despite not nowing the context you have explained it.Thank-you. I'm
>  thinking that "agasti" is denoting the Rishi - Agastya.
>

Yes, just checked that out, "aagasti" is a variant of
"aagastya". I guess mantras are not supposed to be
complete sentences, but perhaps "aagasti shaayinaH"
could be "translated" to "aagasti of shaayin".

2 zAyin [= shaayin] a. lying, resting, sleeping (mostly ---). 

(Because Sanskrit doesn't have the voiced counterpart of
's', as in English 'zoom', 'z' can be and is used in Harvard-Kyoto 
convention of transliteration to indicate the palatal sibilant, 
like 'sh' in English 'shall').






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