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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > No, sorry, you meant the vets to start with,
> > and the above is a reactive backpedal:
> > 
> > "The vast majority of them fought and died because
> > they were told to and had so little imagination
> > that it never occurred to them that they could
> > say no, to conscription and to the whole stupid
> > business of war."
> > 
> > Backpedal regardless, I *agree* with you that
> > all of us who don't dedicate our lives and
> > material resources to opposing war share in the
> > responsibility for war.
> > 
> > But (a) that was not what you said to start
> > with; and (b) running away to France does not
> > absolve you of that responsibility.
> 
> 1-800-FUCK-OFF is a free call for you, too.  :-)

I sruck a nerve, apparently.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> No, sorry, you meant the vets to start with,
> and the above is a reactive backpedal:
> 
> "The vast majority of them fought and died because
> they were told to and had so little imagination
> that it never occurred to them that they could
> say no, to conscription and to the whole stupid
> business of war."
> 
> Backpedal regardless, I *agree* with you that
> all of us who don't dedicate our lives and
> material resources to opposing war share in the
> responsibility for war.
> 
> But (a) that was not what you said to start
> with; and (b) running away to France does not
> absolve you of that responsibility.

1-800-FUCK-OFF is a free call for you, too.  :-)












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If you
> praise the soldiers who said YES to an 
> insane war, and absolve them of any respon-
> sibility for that war because they were just
> being noble and doing what they were told by
> their "bad leaders," then the people who sat
> by quietly and paid their taxes and *enabled*
> the war started by those "bad leaders" also 
> share no responisibility for it.

Freudian slip?










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  
wrote:
> > > > Somehow he (like many pro-Vietnam people did) has 
> > > > misconstrued our discussion as being anti-vet.
> > 
> > 
> > > The whole myth of 'honor the fallen dead' from all 
> > > these wars is a way to NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR
> > > FIGHTING THE WARS. The problem's always with the
> > > 'leaders,' who start them. Well, duh...the problem's
> > > with the people who agree to fight them.
> > 
> > In other words, the discussion (at least, Barry's
> > side of it) was indeed anti-vet, and new_morning
> > hasn't misconstrued a thing.
> 
> I should have said "The problem's with the people
> who agree to fight them and pay for them." If you
> pay taxes in the United States, YOU are responsible 
> for the war in Iraq.

No, sorry, you meant the vets to start with,
and the above is a reactive backpedal:

"The vast majority of them fought and died because
they were told to and had so little imagination
that it never occurred to them that they could
say no, to conscription and to the whole stupid
business of war."

Backpedal regardless, I *agree* with you that
all of us who don't dedicate our lives and
material resources to opposing war share in the
responsibility for war.

But (a) that was not what you said to start
with; and (b) running away to France does not
absolve you of that responsibility.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  
wrote:
> > > > Somehow he (like many pro-Vietnam people did) has 
> > > > misconstrued our discussion as being anti-vet.
> > 
> > 
> > > The whole myth of 'honor the fallen dead' from all 
> > > these wars is a way to NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR
> > > FIGHTING THE WARS. The problem's always with the
> > > 'leaders,' who start them. Well, duh...the problem's
> > > with the people who agree to fight them.
> > 
> > In other words, the discussion (at least, Barry's
> > side of it) was indeed anti-vet, and new_morning
> > hasn't misconstrued a thing.
> 
> I should have said "The problem's with the people
> who agree to fight them and pay for them." If you
> pay taxes in the United States, YOU are responsible 
> for the war in Iraq.

In other words, the 'honor the fallen dead'
thang is just an extension of the German
"Ve ver just followink orders" excuse for
not owning up to their part in WWII. If you
praise the soldiers who said YES to an 
insane war, and absolve them of any respon-
sibility for that war because they were just
being noble and doing what they were told by
their "bad leaders," then the people who sat
by quietly and paid their taxes and *enabled*
the war started by those "bad leaders" also 
share no responisibility for it.

War is a kind of codependency. Every time you
say YES to some leader who wants a war and
agree to go fight it or agree to pay for it,
you are *assisting* that leader in perpetuating
war. As I said, there will always be leaders
who want war; in the long run, the only thing 
that will stop them is people saying NO -- both
to fighting the wars and to paying for them.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > > Somehow he (like many pro-Vietnam people did) has 
> > > misconstrued our discussion as being anti-vet.
> 
> 
> > The whole myth of 'honor the fallen dead' from all 
> > these wars is a way to NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR
> > FIGHTING THE WARS. The problem's always with the
> > 'leaders,' who start them. Well, duh...the problem's
> > with the people who agree to fight them.
> 
> In other words, the discussion (at least, Barry's
> side of it) was indeed anti-vet, and new_morning
> hasn't misconstrued a thing.

I should have said "The problem's with the people
who agree to fight them and pay for them." If you
pay taxes in the United States, YOU are responsible 
for the war in Iraq.












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[FairfieldLife] Dudjom Rinpoche on "It".

2006-05-30 Thread hyperbolicgeometry




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"No words can describe it,
No example can point to it,
Samsara does not make it worse,
Nirvana does not make it better,
It has never been born,
It has never ceased,
It has never been liberated,
It has never been deluded,
It has never existed,
It has never been nonexistent,
It has no limits at all,
It does not fall into any kind of category."

Nyoshaul Kenpo Rinpoche said:

"Profound and tranquil, free from complexity,
Uncompounded luminous clarity,
Beyond the mind of conceptual ideas;
This is the depth of the mind of the Victorious Ones.
In this there is not a thing to be removed,
Nor anything that needs to be added.
It is merely the immaculate 
Looking naturally at itself".

The above from "The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying" by Sogyal 
Rinpoche, p. 50.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > Somehow he (like many pro-Vietnam people did) has 
> > misconstrued our discussion as being anti-vet.

> The whole myth of 'honor the fallen dead' from all 
> these wars is a way to NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR
> FIGHTING THE WARS. The problem's always with the
> 'leaders,' who start them. Well, duh...the problem's
> with the people who agree to fight them.

In other words, the discussion (at least, Barry's
side of it) was indeed anti-vet, and new_morning
hasn't misconstrued a thing.

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[FairfieldLife] Charlie Lutes on the Monastery that burned to a crisp.

2006-05-30 Thread hyperbolicgeometry




During the 70's a large Monastery existed in the Topanga/Malibu area; 
which was unfortunately leveled by a fire (not surprising, since 
fires are frequent in those hills).
  In regard to the contributor a few posts back who remarked that 
the "karmic" explanation for such events often serve no useful 
purpose; I agree with this, even though subscribing to the notion of 
ultimate cause and effect (karma) connections.  But since karma is 
ultimately unfathomable, it's difficult to pass judgement on the 
why's and wherefore's of particular events; especially when our 
hearts go out to victims of myriad forms of disasters...and more so 
when the victims are young children.
 Once at an SRM lecture, Charlie answered somebody's question on why 
(meaning "why" as to karmic meaning...did this event have 
some "purpose"?).;...the Monastery burned down.
  Charlie answered something like "it was in the way of a hot fire".  
Everybody laughed.  In his usual blunt, but often funny way, Charlie 
seems to have answered the question!

On another occasion, there was a middle aged woman in the audience 
whose face was prematurely aged, giving her the appearance of a weird 
wrinkled prune.  Charlie was lecturing on the topic of karma and in 
the context of her question, the prune-like lady said something 
like "I haven't experienced any bad karma".  
  Then Charlie said ..."Have you ever looked in the mirror".  HA...I 
was totally blown away !!! There were plenty of laughs, but mostly of 
the muffled variety, lest somebody compound the effects on the wound 
on that poor woman's face.  I prayed at that moment that she didn't 
get Charlie's "joke".
  Charlie, shame on you!  Well, both are dead now, in some Heaven, 
all hugs and kisses. 










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[FairfieldLife] Re: What's the rumpus?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
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> Saw the Da Vinci Code last night and actually enjoyed it.  
> Wasn't going to see it so soon (I was waiting for the 
> crowds to go down buy X-Men took care of that).
> 
> What's the rumpus?  I don't know why there were so many 
> negative reports about the movie, which I try to avoid 
> anyway, it was really very good.

I thought that the main problem with the film was 
that it did too good a job of giving all the 
characters the same depth and three-dimensionality
they had in the book. That is, none. :-)

At least they didn't try to replicate the full
effect of Dan Brown's writing style. That would
have required the use of fingernails on a black-
board in the sountrack music. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Somehow he (like many pro-Vietnam people did) has 
> misconstrued our discussion as being anti-vet.  I 
> happen to know quite a few vets who would agree 
> with my original statement.  

I don't know any who wouldn't agree with it, at least
not any I've known who fought from Vietnam onwards.

> Unfortunately most figured it out too late.
> 
> So if they're "fighting for our freedom" then why 
> don't they throw a military coup and depose King 
> George and his minions who are the biggest 
> threat to "our freedom" in the history of this country.

That's my point, too. 

The whole myth of 'honor the fallen dead' from all 
these wars is a way to NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR
FIGHTING THE WARS. The problem's always with the
'leaders,' who start them. Well, duh...the problem's
with the people who agree to fight them. There will
always be leaders who want war. Until the people
start saying NO to them, there will be wars. 

That doesn't mean that many of them didn't say YES
for noble reasons, but in my opinion to continue 
this Memorial Day fiasco, in which people publicly
praise people for saying YES to war, and portray
them as noble and heroic for having done so, is to 
prolong and glorify the whole idea of war, and make 
sure it sticks around in the future. What the world 
needs is more Memorial Day services that honor those 
who said NO when their leaders told them to go to war.

  "People should not be afraid of their governments, 
  governments should be afraid of the people."
 -- from V for Vendetta

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[FairfieldLife] How to become a "god" in the Mormon universe

2006-05-30 Thread hyperbolicgeometry




--- 

---Now I'm wondering if the Scientology "Dark Lord Xenu" was one of 
these Mormon gods in another universe.

--- http://www.utlm.org/faqs/faqgeneral.htm
>
> Interesting set of questions and answers by Evangelical Christian 
> (and great-great-granddaughter of LDS leader Brigham Young); Sandra 
> Tanner. She now "witnesses" to Salt Lake City Mormons.
> 
> Here's two of her questions and answers:
> 
> 16. Does Mormonism teach that God was once a man on another world 
and 
> progressed to become God of this world?
> 
> Yes, Joseph Smith declared: "God Himself was once as we are now, 
and 
> is an exalted man" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp.345-
> 346). Another one of their leaders coined the phrase: "As man is, 
God 
> once was; as God is, man may become" (The Gospel Through the Ages, 
> Hunter, p.105-106). Brigham Young preached: "It appears ridiculous 
to 
> the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God 
> has once been a finite being" (Deseret News, Nov. 16, 1859, p. 290).
> 
> 17. Does Mormonism teach that good Mormons can become Gods of their 
> own worlds?
> 
> Yes, one of their leaders wrote: "since mortal beings are the 
spirit 
> children of Heavenly Parents, as pointed out in the last chapter, 
the 
> ultimate possibility is for some of them to become exalted to 
> Godhood." (The Gospel Through the Ages, Hunter, p.104) Brigham 
Young 
> declared: "Intelligent beings are organized to become Gods, even 
the 
> Sons of God, to dwell in the presence of the Gods" (Discourses of 
> Brigham Young, p.245).
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion is hard work !




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > "Her point is that it isn't *science* that provided you
> > with this meaning; science can't tell you whether it's
> > all just random or if there's something at work behind
> > it."
> > 
> > Good point.  I have to think about this more.   I use evolutionary
> > theory as a sort of big picture reframe for my life, but I guess
> > that is not the science that is providing the perspective.  It is 
> > my use of the ideas in a psychological way.
> 
> Sure.  That it looks awful damn random as far as 
> science can tell doesn't (and cannot) rule out
> randomness as a design element. So it's a matter
> of personal preference.  The randomness that science
> sees does not dictate that one exclude the
> possibility of some ultimate design; one is free
> to believe either that there is or that there
> isn't (or to leave the question open, of course).
>

One common reconcilliation is to say that the Creator decided which cosmological 
constants to use. Some values of those constants would definitely preclude any kind of 
higher-level organization (life).










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion is hard work !

2006-05-30 Thread wayback71




Her book The Spiral Staircase is excellent - autobiography of her life until about age 45.  
She was in a convent, left, discovered she has a seizure disorder, got her PHD, and taught 
- all while rethinkingand expanding her own religious beliefs.  I like the clarity of her 
thought - and the feeling that she does not have an obviouis agenda.  She just states 
thiings so simply and makes her insights seem obvious.  I think she could actually change 
and expand the thinking of mainstream people, if they end up exposed to her.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Great article!  I didn't finish her book on the History of God, but I
> learned a lot from what I read.  I was interested to hear how her
> position on scripture changed after the TV frenzy died down.  She is
> thinking about religion in an original, thought-provoking, way. 
> 
> I disagreed with a few points she made about secularists.
> 
> I thought her dismissal of Dawkins as being "consumed by hatred" of
> religion was too superficial.  His position doesn't have to be reduced
> to an emotion any more than her rejection of fundamentalist religious
> people can be reduced to her "hating" those people.  Dawkins has his
> own reasoned opinions, and I felt she didn't give him enough credit
> for being as thoughtful as she is.
> 
> Sam Harris's rejection of religion is very thoughtful. In fact his
> embracing of Buddhist meditation at the same time he rejects other
> aspects of religion makes him just as careful as she is in what he
> accepts and rejects from religious understanding.  Her point about his
> selecting Koran phrases out of the context of the conclusion is moot
> because the fact is many people are reading it exactly as Sam states
> it. This is causing a lot of trouble in the world.  She may have a
> higher, more correct point of view on these passages, but her opinion
> is not shared by the people strapping on the bombs.  She has missed
> Sam's point that it is the moderates of religion who perpetuate and
> protect the beliefs that extremists use to justify killing.
> 
> In my own life I understand the importance of not renouncing religious
> people just because I do not believe in religious answers to my life's
> questions.  It is more similar than different to religious people of
> one religion not being an A-hole to other religious people. 
> Respecting other people is an ideal for both secular and religious
> people in my opinion.  It is a hard line to walk when you are
> expressing a disagreement over specific religious or secular beliefs.
> 
> Her point about seeking meaning also interests me.
> 
> "As for scientists, they can explain a tremendous amount. But they
> can't talk about meaning so much. If your child dies, or you witness a
> terrible natural catastrophe such as Hurricane Katrina, you want to
> have a scientific explanation of it. But that's not all human beings
> need. We are beings who fall very easily into despair because we're
> meaning-seeking creatures. And if things don't add up in some way, we
> can become crippled by our despondency."
> 
> At least this one human does not need more than science to give me
> understanding in disaster. A religious explanation does me no good. 
> For an example, a Hindu explanation might involve a discussion of
> Karma.  For me this explanation that the drowned child somehow had it
> coming for past actions doesn't make me feel any better.  My secular
> understanding comfort comes from believing that it was a random event
> and that the child was in the wrong place at the wrong time just as a
> roll of the dice.  It could have been me.  No explanation of a creator
> who could help, but does not for some philosophical reason, gives me
> comfort.  I don't see how a belief in God makes anything "add up" for
> the meaning-seeking creature, man. If anything, it adds more
> questions.  Like: why did he let it happen?  A religious person may
> find comfort in saying "it is God's will".  That doesn't give any
> better answer to "why?", than a secular person saying "sometimes bad
> things happen and it makes me sad."  Either way we are both gunna cry
> over the child. It is the emotional _expression_ of people you love that
> gives people comfort, not some abstract belief that "things happen for
> a reason".  I'll take a hug over any understanding when the S hits the
> fan in life. If the person hugging me believes in God that is fine
> with me.
> 
> There may not be any meaning to these events.  Linguistic philosophers
> would claim that it is a misuse of language to apply the word
> "meaning" to such events in life.  Just because we can string the
> words together does not give it a reality or value.
> 
> That said, I also recognize that for many people religious beliefs do
> help them live.  Like John Lennon said "Whatever gets you through the
> night, its alright, its alright!" I am not in a position to criticize
> how other peo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message







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I'm not 
  sure that Memorial Day celebrates the Revolutionary War.  More  
  likely the 4th of the July.Homeland Security would have thrown the 
  Revolutionaries in Gitmo nowadays.

Memorial Day memorializes all veterans than gave 
their lives for this country, even the Revolutionary War. The British equivalent 
of Homeland Security not only threw those not loyal to King George in jail but 
also hanged them or executed them at firing squad. Most of the signers of the 
Declaration of Independence had their homes burned and properties taken by the 
Crown. Anybody caught giving aid and comfort to the Revolution was likely to 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message

2006-05-30 Thread Nelson




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Every Memorial Day we hear that myth about those who have fallen
> > > fighting for "our freedom."  Believe me nobody ever died fighting
> >for
> > > "our freedom."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >What about the American Revolutionary War?
> >
> >
> >Are you against that war?
> >
> >Would you mind being a colony of Britain today?
> >
> >  
> >
> I'm not sure that Memorial Day celebrates the Revolutionary War.  More  
> likely the 4th of the July.
> Homeland Security would have thrown the Revolutionaries in Gitmo
nowadays.
> 
> 
>
+++ Interesting to see all the ideas and POVs and how they differ from
people who saw the forties as current events.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion is hard work !

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
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>
> "Her point is that it isn't *science* that provided you
> with this meaning; science can't tell you whether it's
> all just random or if there's something at work behind
> it."
> 
> Good point.  I have to think about this more.   I use evolutionary
> theory as a sort of big picture reframe for my life, but I guess
> that is not the science that is providing the perspective.  It is 
> my use of the ideas in a psychological way.

Sure.  That it looks awful damn random as far as 
science can tell doesn't (and cannot) rule out
randomness as a design element. So it's a matter
of personal preference.  The randomness that science
sees does not dictate that one exclude the
possibility of some ultimate design; one is free
to believe either that there is or that there
isn't (or to leave the question open, of course).

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> sparaig wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >[...]
> > > BTW, I think you might enjoy listening to this funky philosopher who is
> > > a Scotsman now living in Canada.  He's got quite an interesting handle
> > > on things.  During the "Sweet Liberty" MP3 last week (on the 24th) he
> > > even comments on Maharishi and the Beatles (true believers may want to
> > > stay away).
> > > http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/index.html
> > > Funky website too.
> >
> >
> >Funky message too:
> >
> >19:55
> >"...you'll always come up against the perfect planning of a diabolical-type mind..."
> >
> >20:32
> >"...because everything today is coming into place at the same that was all 
> >started a long
> >time ago --everything is falling into place and coming together. We can read 
> >about this
> >with Blovatsky and the creation of Theosophy, which was intended to blend 
> >Christianity
> >with Hinduism and then they brought that out across the planet in an explosion 
> >with the
> >Beatles when they went off to -with the Maharishi AFTER  they had gained their 
> >audience
> >--remember it didn't start like that. First you got to entrap the audience and 
> >the people
> >follow the stars and once they were accepted and superstars THEN they went off 
> >to India
> >and all their followers were suddenly delving into all these books on Hinduism 
> >--that was
> >planned that way."
> >
> >
> >And you consider this an important message to hear?
> >
> >  
> >
> "Interesting" was the operative word in both cases.
> 

Your suggestion that "true believers may want to stay away" implied that you think people 
should take what he said seriously...

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message




sparaig wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[...]
> > BTW, I think you might enjoy listening to this funky philosopher who is
> > a Scotsman now living in Canada.  He's got quite an interesting handle
> > on things.  During the "Sweet Liberty" MP3 last week (on the 24th) he
> > even comments on Maharishi and the Beatles (true believers may want to
> > stay away).
> > http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/index.html
> > Funky website too.
>
>
>Funky message too:
>
>19:55
>"...you'll always come up against the perfect planning of a diabolical-type mind..."
>
>20:32
>"...because everything today is coming into place at the same that was all 
>started a long
>time ago --everything is falling into place and coming together. We can read 
>about this
>with Blovatsky and the creation of Theosophy, which was intended to blend 
>Christianity
>with Hinduism and then they brought that out across the planet in an explosion 
>with the
>Beatles when they went off to -with the Maharishi AFTER  they had gained their 
>audience
>--remember it didn't start like that. First you got to entrap the audience and 
>the people
>follow the stars and once they were accepted and superstars THEN they went off 
>to India
>and all their followers were suddenly delving into all these books on Hinduism 
>--that was
>planned that way."
>
>
>And you consider this an important message to hear?
>
>  
>
"Interesting" was the operative word in both cases.

> >
> > And you might find this Thom Hartmann interview interesting where he
> > discusses Buddhist, Christian and Hindu concepts of time:
> > http://www.prioryofsion.com/conversation.shtml
> >
>
>As carefully thought out as the proceeding lecture?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message




shempmcgurk wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Every Memorial Day we hear that myth about those who have fallen
> > fighting for "our freedom."  Believe me nobody ever died fighting
>for
> > "our freedom."
>
>
>
>
>What about the American Revolutionary War?
>
>
>Are you against that war?
>
>Would you mind being a colony of Britain today?
>
>  
>
I'm not sure that Memorial Day celebrates the Revolutionary War.  More  
likely the 4th of the July.
Homeland Security would have thrown the Revolutionaries in Gitmo nowadays.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion is hard work !

2006-05-30 Thread curtisdeltablues




"Her point is that it isn't *science* that provided you
with this meaning; science can't tell you whether it's
all just random or if there's something at work behind
it."

Good point.  I have to think about this more.   I use evolutionary
theory as a sort of big picture reframe for my life, but I guess that
is not the science that is providing the perspective.  It is my use of
the ideas in a psychological way. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Great article!  I didn't finish her book on the History of God, but
> > I learned a lot from what I read.  I was interested to hear how her
> > position on scripture changed after the TV frenzy died down.  She is
> > thinking about religion in an original, thought-provoking, way. 
> > 
> > I disagreed with a few points she made about secularists.
> 
> 
> 
> > Her point about seeking meaning also interests me.
> > 
> > "As for scientists, they can explain a tremendous amount. But they
> > can't talk about meaning so much. If your child dies, or you 
> > witness a terrible natural catastrophe such as Hurricane Katrina, 
> > you want to have a scientific explanation of it. But that's not all 
> > human beings need. We are beings who fall very easily into despair 
> > because we're meaning-seeking creatures. And if things don't add up 
> > in some way, we can become crippled by our despondency."
> > 
> > At least this one human does not need more than science to give me
> > understanding in disaster. A religious explanation does me no good. 
> > For an example, a Hindu explanation might involve a discussion of
> > Karma.  For me this explanation that the drowned child somehow had 
> > it coming for past actions doesn't make me feel any better.  My 
> > secular understanding comfort comes from believing that it was a 
> > random event and that the child was in the wrong place at the wrong 
> > time just as a roll of the dice.  It could have been me.
> 
> But that *is* the meaning you assign to such an event.
> For you, that "adds up"; it's meaningful.  Meaning
> (existential, not scientific) doesn't have to be religious
> in the sectarian sense.
> 
> Her point is that it isn't *science* that provided you
> with this meaning; science can't tell you whether it's
> all just random or if there's something at work behind
> it.
> 
>   No explanation of a creator
> > who could help, but does not for some philosophical reason, gives me
> > comfort.  I don't see how a belief in God makes anything "add up" 
> > for the meaning-seeking creature, man. If anything, it adds more
> > questions.  Like: why did he let it happen?  A religious person may
> > find comfort in saying "it is God's will".  That doesn't give any
> > better answer to "why?", than a secular person saying "sometimes bad
> > things happen and it makes me sad."  Either way we are both gunna 
> > cry over the child. It is the emotional _expression_ of people you 
> > love that gives people comfort, not some abstract belief 
> > that "things happen for a reason".  I'll take a hug over any 
> > understanding when the S hits the fan in life.
> 
> And science doesn't give you hugs either, nor are
> hugs religious, but they're still meaningful in the
> face of tragedy.
> 
> The trick is to avoid despondency, as she says.
> 
>  If the person hugging me believes in God that is fine
> > with me.
> > 
> > There may not be any meaning to these events.  Linguistic 
> > philosophers would claim that it is a misuse of language to apply 
> > the word "meaning" to such events in life.  Just because we can 
> > string the words together does not give it a reality or value.
> 
> Oh, I dunno, I think "meaning" can be defined so that
> it isn't misused in this context.  As you go on to note,
> it can be defined as "whatever gets you through the night,"
> which also seems to be the sense she uses it: whatever
> keeps you from falling into despair.
> 
> You don't have to call it "meaning" if that term isn't
> meaningful to you!  But there is a reality and a value
> to it, whatever you want to call it.
> 
> > That said, I also recognize that for many people religious beliefs
> > do help them live.  Like John Lennon said "Whatever gets you 
> > through the night, its alright, its alright!" I am not in a 
> > position to criticize how other people get through their night.  I 
> > just know what works for me.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > Every Memorial Day we hear that myth about those who have fallen 
> > fighting for "our freedom."  Believe me nobody ever died fighting 
> for 
> > "our freedom."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> What about the American Revolutionary War?
> 
> 
> Are you against that war?
> 
> Would you mind being a colony of Britain today?
> 
> 
> 
> >   Instead they fought to keep the rich rich and the poor 
> > poor.  They fought the wars as pawns for the rich.  The rich 
could 
> give 
> > a damn about "our freedom", instead just theirs to keep counting 
> their 
> > money.  When will we learn?
>

Well, maybe like Maharishi, you would have to make an exception, in 
that case: "Don't fire until you see the white of their eyes...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> BTW, I think you might enjoy listening to this funky philosopher who is 
> a Scotsman now living in Canada.  He's got quite an interesting handle 
> on things.  During the "Sweet Liberty" MP3 last week (on the 24th) he 
> even comments on Maharishi and the Beatles (true believers may want to 
> stay away).
> http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/index.html
> Funky website too.


Funky message too:

19:55
"...you'll always come up against the perfect planning of a diabolical-type mind..."

20:32
"...because everything today is coming into place at the same that was all started a long 
time ago --everything is falling into place and coming together. We can read about this 
with Blovatsky and the creation of Theosophy, which was intended to blend Christianity 
with Hinduism and then they brought that out across the planet in an explosion with the 
Beatles when they went off to -with the Maharishi AFTER  they had gained their audience 
--remember it didn't start like that. First you got to entrap the audience and the people 
follow the stars and once they were accepted and superstars THEN they went off to India 
and all their followers were suddenly delving into all these books on Hinduism --that was 
planned that way."


And you consider this an important message to hear?

> 
> And you might find this Thom Hartmann interview interesting where he 
> discusses Buddhist, Christian and Hindu concepts of time:
> http://www.prioryofsion.com/conversation.shtml
>

As carefully thought out as the proceeding lecture?










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Every Memorial Day we hear that myth about those who have fallen 
> fighting for "our freedom."  Believe me nobody ever died fighting 
for 
> "our freedom."

What about the American Revolutionary War?

Are you against that war?

Would you mind being a colony of Britain today?

>   Instead they fought to keep the rich rich and the poor 
> poor.  They fought the wars as pawns for the rich.  The rich could 
give 
> a damn about "our freedom", instead just theirs to keep counting 
their 
> money.  When will we learn?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: was No yellow stars -Northern arrogance

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The sole point of the recert course was to establish a core group
> of TM teachers loyal to the organization. Judy thinks it was to 
> break the final bounds for everyone else with the TMO, but I think 
> that is the unfortunate side-effect that MMY is willing to put up 
> with.

Actually my view is closer to yours on this, Lawson.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Revelations/ Number:666 +G.W.Bush =?'




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > What you're missing from not seeing the show broadcast
> > > is a commercial ABC runs in the last segment for the Hanso
> > > Foundation:  http://www.thehansofoundation.org/
> >
> >I've seen it online. But interestingly, living in
> >France I get to miss commercials almost entirely.
> >For whatever historical reason (possibly good
> >sense?), the French do not break up broadcast
> >TV shows with commercials. They save them all
> >up and show them at the end of the program. The
> >worst that happens, for a long movie, is that
> >there is a single two-minute block of commercials
> >in the middle, just enough time to get up and
> >pop some escargot in the microwave.  :-)
> >
> >  
> >
> Can you hear them scream when you do that? :)
> 
> People on the "Lost" fan  boards are trying to figure out if the Hanso 
> Foundation is for real or just another way of promoting the show.
>

A quick trip to wikipedia would be enough to dissuade you of THAT notion...










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[FairfieldLife] Re: was No yellow stars -Northern arrogance




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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> 
> 
> > > > Farokh is a jerk, as far as I can tell. As I said before, he could
> > > have gotten sponsorship for 
> > > > the cert course, and grants from all over for the course fees, but
> > > he wanted to keep his 
> > > > own little fiefdom independent of the TMO.
> > > > 
> > > > And no, the crowns wouldn't turn anyone off because the Rajas
> > > wouldn't be interacting 
> > > > with the inmates or the judges.
> > > 
> > > Farokh spent over a decade developing the sentencing program,
> > > including extensive searches for grants and donations.  You think it's
> > > easy to gets grants to pay for $2,500 TM fees?  That's absurd.  
> > 
> > Not at all absurd. People like David Lynch exist and have donated
> quite a bit of money to 
> > teach TM to kids this past year.
> 
> Who besides David Lynch has provided grant money to teach TM at $2,500
> per person this past year?

Dunno. David Lynch is doing fund-raising himself, you know. His foundation is meant to 
be a funnel for funds.

>  
> > And
> > > prior to this program, Farokh initiated thousands in horrifying
> > > african prisons.
> > 
> > I have the book on the subject.
> > 
> >   There's no fiefdom or glory in his projects, either
> > > within or outside the tmo.  He does it out of personal conviction and
> > > he knows from experience what it takes to make them work.
> > 
> > I have the book on the subject. I also read his response to a
> request for the research on 
> > TM.
> 
> Don't know what this means.

Someone from MUM sent him a letter requesting a copy of the research on the Enlightened 
Sentencing project. Someone posted his response on FFL. "Respectfully declined" doesn't 
cover the tone of his response.


>  
> > > Meanwhile the raja-run recert program has succeeded in opening 1
> > > Enlightenment Mall Store which is a total failure.
> > 
> > And that's all you think they have done?
> 
> That was the sole point of the recertification course which you said
> Farokh should have raised money to take.
>

The sole point of the recert course was to establish a core group of TM teachers loyal to 
the organization. Judy thinks it was to break the final bounds for everyone else with the 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: was No yellow stars -Northern arrogance

2006-05-30 Thread jyouells2000




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  
> > wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > What happens when someone devoted to teaching tm tries to do it 
> > at a
> > > > more resonable price, and isn't willing to lie about it? He is 
> > sued.
> > > > (I know it'll be argued, here, that they are protecting the 
> > service
> > > > marks, but they have established a precident and it will happen
> > > > again.) Wait, watch and see.
> > > >
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > > OF COURSE  it will. That's the whole point: That's how you protect 
> > such things: by showing a 
> > > pattern of going through the process of legal protection. If you 
> > don't, then you can't claim 
> > > that you're still the trademark holder when a larger organization 
> > comes along and starts 
> > > using it.
> > >
> > 
> > ***
> > 
> > In any event, the Florida lawsuit was settled -- the guy agreed to 
> > call, like the Missouri sentencing people, what they teach 
> > the "Transcendental Stress Management Program," instead of TM. So 
> > the TM trademark is protected and the people who wanted to go off on 
> > their own can carry on.
> >
> 
> Farokh is a jerk, as far as I can tell. As I said before, he could
have gotten sponsorship for 
> the cert course, and grants from all over for the course fees, but
he wanted to keep his 
> own little fiefdom independent of the TMO.
> 
> And no, the crowns wouldn't turn anyone off because the Rajas
wouldn't be interacting 
> with the inmates or the judges.
>

Farokh is actually making a difference in the lives of the inmates and
the judges who participate in the programs. There are no questions
about shady financial dealings. They raise and use there own money
whether it be grants, donations or tax dollars. It probably would not
work any other way. 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] What's the rumpus?







In a message dated 5/30/06 3:04:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Saw the 
  Da Vinci Code last night and actually enjoyed it.  Wasn't going to 
  see it so soon (I was waiting for the crowds to go down buy X-Men took 
  care of that).What's the rumpus?  I don't know why there were so 
  many negative reports about the movie, which I try to avoid anyway, it was 
  really very good.

I enjoyed the movie also. But only as a fictional movie and I 
never read the book. But what I found amusing were all the various programs on 
TV, many different channels, that absolutely ripped Dan Brown's "facts" apart. 
It seems there are many historians, both art and religious, that have serious 
problems with what Brown called facts in his book and the movie. Never the less 
it was a fun movie.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > May I suggest you read "War is a Racket" by General Smedley 
Butler.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >I wouldn't trust anyone named Smedley.
> >
> >It's too suspicious sounding...like Shemp...
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> Smedley was a true patriot.   A bunch of corporate leaders 
approached 
> him to throw a military coup to get rid of Franklin Roosevelt.  He 
> played along for long enough to get evidence on them and turn them 
in.  
> We could use a few more like him today.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
>


It is a cool-sounding name, though.  Some names I like:

Shemp

Smedley

Chumley (remember him?  Mr. Peabody's young ward?  I was actually 
going to get a website with that name but, sadly, it's already 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
> >wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Every Memorial Day we hear that myth about those who
> > > > have fallen fighting for "our freedom."  Believe me
> > > > nobody ever died fighting for "our freedom." 
> > >
> > > The vast majority of them fought and died because
> > > they were told to and had so little imagination
> > > that it never occurred to them that they could
> > > say no, to conscription and to the whole stupid
> > > business of war.
> > >
> > > But mark my words, you're gonna get a lot of flak
> > > here for saying this, from those with just as
> > > little imagination, who are upset that you choose
> > > to rock the boat when they are afraid to.
> > >
> >
> >Barry, your policy of non-violence is the best onejust lay 
down
> >your arms...refuse to serve...and, hey, if everyone will do it,
> >peace will reign.
> >
> >There's just one small problem: it takes EVERYONE to do it.  And,
> >unfortunately, when almost everyone lays down their arms and a few
> >holdouts don't, well, guess who becomes top dog?
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> The rich always cook up a reason for us to have a war.  A 
diversion from 
> the bucks they'll make off of it.
>

You're an intellectual giant.











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[FairfieldLife] What's the rumpus?




Saw the Da Vinci Code last night and actually enjoyed it.  Wasn't 
going to see it so soon (I was waiting for the crowds to go down buy X-
Men took care of that).

What's the rumpus?  I don't know why there were so many negative 
reports about the movie, which I try to avoid anyway, it was really 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] 'War- What Is It Good For?'







In a message dated 5/30/06 1:47:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
'That 
  was a song from the sixties, if anyone's old enough to remember...War 
  is really very disfunctional behavior;Sure it's been part of this earth 
  reality for so long, we just take it for granted, that it is a part of 
  life, and have even made it into a sort of institution(an institution of 
  late, that is turning humans into ground beef, and billions down the 
  drain.Perhaps a generation will come along, hopefully soon, that fully 
  rejects war as an option; Killing a fellow human being, will no longer 
  seem like a viable option.Sure we are a culture, that is addicted to 
  violence.And many of the troops coming back from this war, like the 
  other's will be totally messed up:They will have gotten addicted to 
  the adrenaline and power of Killing, and some will need more and 
  more...This is what it is like to lose your soul...You lose part of 
  your soul, when you kill...Who are you really serving, when you become 
  a murderer...???Jesus called the 'evil-one', "a murderer since the 
  beginning of time".It is like a demonic possession, this war thing.It 
  makes people crazy and creates chaos.It destroys everything good in 
  life.It serves only one purpose as far as I'm concerned:Like every 
  other addiction, or dysfunction,It serves as a lesson, on what not to 
  do.'War- What is it good for? Absolutely 
Nothing!

Wow , you have a point. Ever taken this up with Osama Ben 
Ladin or  any other people that go around blowing themselves up? I wonder 
what their reaction would be to your thoughts.You can't just talk to one side, 
you have to convince both sides of a conflict of your ideas. You might try 
posting this on some terrorist web site and see if you can't get a response. 
Maybe you can start a meaningful dialogue and win the Nobel peace prize. 






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[FairfieldLife] 'The Embodiment of Courage/Who Murdered No One'

By CHRISTOPH NOELTING, Associated Press Writer 15 minutes ago LANDSTUHL, Germany - A CBS News correspondent injured by a car bomb that killed two colleagues in Iraq was in critical but stable condition and "doing as well as can be expected," a doctor at a U.S. military hospital said Tuesday. Kimberly Dozier, a 39-year-old American, was flown to the U.S. military's Ramstein Air Base in Germany and was transferred by ambulance to nearby Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, where doctors were assessing her condition. CBS said Dozier
underwent two operations in Baghdad before she was transferred to Landstuhl, the U.S. military's largest medical facility abroad. Col. W. Bryan Gamble said Dozier was responsive during the flight, opening her eyes and moving her toes as she was transferred, but that it was too soon to speculate on her recovery. "It's really hard right now to ascertain how much of a recovery period she will need and what the extent of her rehabilitation will be, it's really too early into the process of the trauma to know that right now," Gamble said. "She was critically wounded from the ... blast, but right now she is doing as well as can be expected," he said, adding that Dozier was expected to stay in Landstuhl for several days and undergo several other routine operations. Medical officials are awaiting the arrival of her family, expected Wednesday, to decide when she would be transferred to the United States, Gamble said.
Dozier, along with cameraman Paul Douglas and soundman James Brolan were traveling in a U.S. military convoy working on a story about Memorial Day when a car bomb exploded. Douglas and Brolan, both British citizens, were killed. A U.S. soldier and an Iraqi translator also died in the blast. The explosion occurred on the same day a series of blasts killed at least 40 people in Iraq and wounded dozens more in the worst wave of violence to hit Baghdad in days. CBS News reported on its Web site that the three journalists were embedded with the 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division when a nearby car packed with explosives detonated, the network said. All three journalists were riding in an armored Humvee, CBS said, and were believed to have been wearing protective gear. "Our deepest sympathy goes out to the families of Paul and James, and we are hoping and praying for a complete recovery by Kimberly," CBS News President Sean
McManus said in a statement. Douglas, 48, a British national based in London, had worked for CBS News since the early 1990s in places including Afghanistan, Pakistan, Rwanda and Bosnia. He is survived by his wife, two daughters and three grandchildren, CBS said. Brolan, 42, who also was based in London, had worked with CBS News during the last year in Iraq and Afghanistan as a freelancer. The British citizen leaves behind his wife of 20 years, Geri, and two children 18-year-old Sam and 12-year-old Agatha. "James had a natural way with people and was always in demand as the person to go with to the world's trouble
spots; always putting the locals at ease, winning friends everywhere he went and always putting in his best effort," his family said in a statement. In addition to her time in Iraq, Dozier also had worked as the chief correspondent for WCBS-TV New York's Middle East bureau in Jerusalem, and previously as London bureau chief and chief European correspondent for CBS Radio News. Dozier graduated magna cum laude from Wellesley College, majoring in human rights and Spanish, according to her biography on the CBS News Web site. She later earned a master's degree in foreign affairs, specializing in the Middle East, from the University of Virginia. McManus called the three "veterans of war coverage who proved their bravery and dedication every single day." They always volunteered for dangerous assignments and were invaluable in our attempt to report the news to the American public." Dozens of journalists have been injured, killed or
kidnapped in Iraq since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion that toppled Iraqi dictator Before Monday's attack, the Committee to Protect Journalists had put the number of journalists killed in Iraq at 69. Of those, nearly three-quarters were Iraqis, the New York-based group said. In January, ABC News anchor Bob Woodruff and cameraman Doug Vogt were injured while covering the war in Iraq. They were standing in the hatch of an Iraqi mechanized vehicle, reporting on the war from the Iraqi troops' perspective, when a roadside bomb exploded. Both were wearing body armor, which doctors say likely saved their lives. Woodruff, who co-anchored "World News Tonight" with Elizabeth Vargas, is still recovering from serious head injuries. ___ On the Net: CBS News: http://www.cbsnews.com Committee to Protect Journalists: http://www.cpj.org
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[FairfieldLife] 'War- What Is It Good For?'




'That was a song from the sixties, if anyone's old enough to 
remember...
War is really very disfunctional behavior;
Sure it's been part of this earth reality for so long, we just take 
it for granted, that it is a part of life, and have even made it into 
a sort of institution(an institution of late, that is turning humans 
into ground beef, and billions down the drain.
Perhaps a generation will come along, hopefully soon, that fully 
rejects war as an option; Killing a fellow human being, will no 
longer seem like a viable option.
Sure we are a culture, that is addicted to violence.
And many of the troops coming back from this war, like the other's 
will be totally messed up:
They will have gotten addicted to the adrenaline and power of 
Killing, and some will need more and more...
This is what it is like to lose your soul...
You lose part of your soul, when you kill...

Who are you really serving, when you become a murderer...???

Jesus called the 'evil-one', "a murderer since the beginning of time".
It is like a demonic possession, this war thing.
It makes people crazy and creates chaos.
It destroys everything good in life.
It serves only one purpose as far as I'm concerned:
Like every other addiction, or dysfunction,
It serves as a lesson, on what not to do.
'War- What is it good for? Absolutely Nothing!










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Re: [FairfieldLife] New Video Game: Christians Convert or Kill Non-Believers




markmeredith2002 wrote:

>From:  http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/5/29/195855/959
>
>Imagine: you are a foot soldier in a paramilitary group whose purpose
>is to remake America as a Christian theocracy, and establish its
>worldly vision of the dominion of Christ over all aspects of life. You
>are issued high-tech military weaponry, and instructed to engage the
>infidel on the streets of New York City. You are on a mission - both a
>religious mission and a military mission -- to convert or kill
>Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, gays, and anyone who advocates
>the separation of church and state - especially moderate, mainstream
>Christians. Your mission is "to conduct physical and spiritual
>warfare"; all who resist must be taken out with extreme prejudice. You
>have never felt so powerful, so driven by a purpose: you are 13 years
>old. You are playing a real-time strategy video game whose creators
>are linked to the empire of mega-church pastor Rick Warren, best
>selling author of The Purpose Driven Life.
>
>The game, slated for release by October 2006 in advance of the
>Christmas shopping rush, has been previewed at video game exhibitions,
>and reviewed by major newspapers and magazines. But until now, no fan
>or critic has pointed out the controversial game's connection to Mr.
>Warren or his dominionist agenda.
>
>  
>
Ahh! Let's develop a counter resistance game to it then!  Could be great 
fun.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message




new_morning_blank_slate wrote:

>Per you kind words. "That's all maya my friend.  Wake up"
>
>You are in Brahman consciousness and completley beyond the veil of
>maya? Well then All glory to you.
>
>  
>
I don't know where I am in that schism and really don't care either.  
All I know this is pretty clear to me and even to lots of folks who 
don't even practice meditation.

>If not, then continue to spill your empty words as therapy. And we
>will try to remember your challenges and not take you to heart, or
>seriously, and condemn you as we would a whole person for such
>hollowness and callousness.  And we will all pray that someday you
>will resolve your huge discodance with reality and become some
>semblance of a whole human being.
>  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message




shempmcgurk wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > May I suggest you read "War is a Racket" by General Smedley Butler.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I wouldn't trust anyone named Smedley.
>
>It's too suspicious sounding...like Shemp...
>
>
>  
>
Smedley was a true patriot.   A bunch of corporate leaders approached 
him to throw a military coup to get rid of Franklin Roosevelt.  He 
played along for long enough to get evidence on them and turn them in.  
We could use a few more like him today.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message




TurquoiseB wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > So Turq,
> >
> > When did you file your CO (conscientious objector) papers?
> > Tell us about your plans to go to jail rather than perpetuate
> > war and to kill.
> >
> > Or are your words as hollow as your friends?
> >
> > And when did resisting wars ever mean one can't and should not
> > honor those that did offer their bodies, willingly, or by
> > coercion, as a sacrifice.
> >
> > I honor those that resisted, those that were on the "other" side
> > (a strange concept), and those who were conscripted and
> > volunteered for the US Armed Forces and lost limbs and lives.
> >
> > Are you one of those who spit on vietnam vet amputees and maimed?
> >
> > Can  you step off your soap box long enough to honor those who
> > were forced to fight wars they did not start?
> >
> > I have less sympathy for leaders and voters who create and feed
> > the foundations of war. And dillitants who sprout prissy nice
> > words that are hollow, cynical and so dry -- empty of compassion
> > and humanity.
>
>You know, dude, there's a new hotline for Attention
>Vampires, at 1-800-FUCK-OFF. I hear they've been
>able to help a lot of people. You just call and
>try to get their attention and they laugh at you
>until you start to laugh at yourself.  :-)
>
>
>  
>
Somehow he (like many pro-Vietnam people did) has misconstrued our 
discussion as being anti-vet.  I happen to know quite a few vets who 
would agree with my original statement.  Unfortunately most figured it 
out too late.

So if they're "fighting for our freedom" then why don't they throw a 
military coup and depose King George and his minions who are the biggest 
threat to "our freedom" in the history of this country.

BTW, I think you might enjoy listening to this funky philosopher who is 
a Scotsman now living in Canada.  He's got quite an interesting handle 
on things.  During the "Sweet Liberty" MP3 last week (on the 24th) he 
even comments on Maharishi and the Beatles (true believers may want to 
stay away).
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/index.html
Funky website too.

And you might find this Thom Hartmann interview interesting where he 
discusses Buddhist, Christian and Hindu concepts of time:
http://www.prioryofsion.com/conversation.shtml







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message




shempmcgurk wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Every Memorial Day we hear that myth about those who
> > > have fallen fighting for "our freedom."  Believe me
> > > nobody ever died fighting for "our freedom." 
> >
> > The vast majority of them fought and died because
> > they were told to and had so little imagination
> > that it never occurred to them that they could
> > say no, to conscription and to the whole stupid
> > business of war.
> >
> > But mark my words, you're gonna get a lot of flak
> > here for saying this, from those with just as
> > little imagination, who are upset that you choose
> > to rock the boat when they are afraid to.
> >
>
>Barry, your policy of non-violence is the best onejust lay down
>your arms...refuse to serve...and, hey, if everyone will do it,
>peace will reign.
>
>There's just one small problem: it takes EVERYONE to do it.  And,
>unfortunately, when almost everyone lays down their arms and a few
>holdouts don't, well, guess who becomes top dog?
>
>
>  
>
The rich always cook up a reason for us to have a war.  A diversion from 
the bucks they'll make off of it.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion is hard work !




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Great article!  I didn't finish her book on the History of God, but
> I learned a lot from what I read.  I was interested to hear how her
> position on scripture changed after the TV frenzy died down.  She is
> thinking about religion in an original, thought-provoking, way. 
> 
> I disagreed with a few points she made about secularists.



> Her point about seeking meaning also interests me.
> 
> "As for scientists, they can explain a tremendous amount. But they
> can't talk about meaning so much. If your child dies, or you 
> witness a terrible natural catastrophe such as Hurricane Katrina, 
> you want to have a scientific explanation of it. But that's not all 
> human beings need. We are beings who fall very easily into despair 
> because we're meaning-seeking creatures. And if things don't add up 
> in some way, we can become crippled by our despondency."
> 
> At least this one human does not need more than science to give me
> understanding in disaster. A religious explanation does me no good. 
> For an example, a Hindu explanation might involve a discussion of
> Karma.  For me this explanation that the drowned child somehow had 
> it coming for past actions doesn't make me feel any better.  My 
> secular understanding comfort comes from believing that it was a 
> random event and that the child was in the wrong place at the wrong 
> time just as a roll of the dice.  It could have been me.

But that *is* the meaning you assign to such an event.
For you, that "adds up"; it's meaningful.  Meaning
(existential, not scientific) doesn't have to be religious
in the sectarian sense.

Her point is that it isn't *science* that provided you
with this meaning; science can't tell you whether it's
all just random or if there's something at work behind
it.

  No explanation of a creator
> who could help, but does not for some philosophical reason, gives me
> comfort.  I don't see how a belief in God makes anything "add up" 
> for the meaning-seeking creature, man. If anything, it adds more
> questions.  Like: why did he let it happen?  A religious person may
> find comfort in saying "it is God's will".  That doesn't give any
> better answer to "why?", than a secular person saying "sometimes bad
> things happen and it makes me sad."  Either way we are both gunna 
> cry over the child. It is the emotional _expression_ of people you 
> love that gives people comfort, not some abstract belief 
> that "things happen for a reason".  I'll take a hug over any 
> understanding when the S hits the fan in life.

And science doesn't give you hugs either, nor are
hugs religious, but they're still meaningful in the
face of tragedy.

The trick is to avoid despondency, as she says.

 If the person hugging me believes in God that is fine
> with me.
> 
> There may not be any meaning to these events.  Linguistic 
> philosophers would claim that it is a misuse of language to apply 
> the word "meaning" to such events in life.  Just because we can 
> string the words together does not give it a reality or value.

Oh, I dunno, I think "meaning" can be defined so that
it isn't misused in this context.  As you go on to note,
it can be defined as "whatever gets you through the night,"
which also seems to be the sense she uses it: whatever
keeps you from falling into despair.

You don't have to call it "meaning" if that term isn't
meaningful to you!  But there is a reality and a value
to it, whatever you want to call it.

> That said, I also recognize that for many people religious beliefs
> do help them live.  Like John Lennon said "Whatever gets you 
> through the night, its alright, its alright!" I am not in a 
> position to criticize how other people get through their night.  I 
> just know what works for me.











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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Revelations/ Number:666 +G.W.Bush =?'




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> >
> > What you're missing from not seeing the show broadcast
> > is a commercial ABC runs in the last segment for the Hanso
> > Foundation:  http://www.thehansofoundation.org/
>
>I've seen it online. But interestingly, living in
>France I get to miss commercials almost entirely.
>For whatever historical reason (possibly good
>sense?), the French do not break up broadcast
>TV shows with commercials. They save them all
>up and show them at the end of the program. The
>worst that happens, for a long movie, is that
>there is a single two-minute block of commercials
>in the middle, just enough time to get up and
>pop some escargot in the microwave.  :-)
>
>  
>
Can you hear them scream when you do that? :)

People on the "Lost" fan  boards are trying to figure out if the Hanso 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion is hard work !

2006-05-30 Thread curtisdeltablues

Great article!  I didn't finish her book on the History of God, but I
learned a lot from what I read.  I was interested to hear how her
position on scripture changed after the TV frenzy died down.  She is
thinking about religion in an original, thought-provoking, way. 

I disagreed with a few points she made about secularists.

I thought her dismissal of Dawkins as being "consumed by hatred" of
religion was too superficial.  His position doesn't have to be reduced
to an emotion any more than her rejection of fundamentalist religious
people can be reduced to her "hating" those people.  Dawkins has his
own reasoned opinions, and I felt she didn't give him enough credit
for being as thoughtful as she is.

Sam Harris's rejection of religion is very thoughtful. In fact his
embracing of Buddhist meditation at the same time he rejects other
aspects of religion makes him just as careful as she is in what he
accepts and rejects from religious understanding.  Her point about his
selecting Koran phrases out of the context of the conclusion is moot
because the fact is many people are reading it exactly as Sam states
it. This is causing a lot of trouble in the world.  She may have a
higher, more correct point of view on these passages, but her opinion
is not shared by the people strapping on the bombs.  She has missed
Sam's point that it is the moderates of religion who perpetuate and
protect the beliefs that extremists use to justify killing.

In my own life I understand the importance of not renouncing religious
people just because I do not believe in religious answers to my life's
questions.  It is more similar than different to religious people of
one religion not being an A-hole to other religious people. 
Respecting other people is an ideal for both secular and religious
people in my opinion.  It is a hard line to walk when you are
expressing a disagreement over specific religious or secular beliefs.

Her point about seeking meaning also interests me.

"As for scientists, they can explain a tremendous amount. But they
can't talk about meaning so much. If your child dies, or you witness a
terrible natural catastrophe such as Hurricane Katrina, you want to
have a scientific explanation of it. But that's not all human beings
need. We are beings who fall very easily into despair because we're
meaning-seeking creatures. And if things don't add up in some way, we
can become crippled by our despondency."

At least this one human does not need more than science to give me
understanding in disaster. A religious explanation does me no good. 
For an example, a Hindu explanation might involve a discussion of
Karma.  For me this explanation that the drowned child somehow had it
coming for past actions doesn't make me feel any better.  My secular
understanding comfort comes from believing that it was a random event
and that the child was in the wrong place at the wrong time just as a
roll of the dice.  It could have been me.  No explanation of a creator
who could help, but does not for some philosophical reason, gives me
comfort.  I don't see how a belief in God makes anything "add up" for
the meaning-seeking creature, man. If anything, it adds more
questions.  Like: why did he let it happen?  A religious person may
find comfort in saying "it is God's will".  That doesn't give any
better answer to "why?", than a secular person saying "sometimes bad
things happen and it makes me sad."  Either way we are both gunna cry
over the child. It is the emotional _expression_ of people you love that
gives people comfort, not some abstract belief that "things happen for
a reason".  I'll take a hug over any understanding when the S hits the
fan in life. If the person hugging me believes in God that is fine
with me.

There may not be any meaning to these events.  Linguistic philosophers
would claim that it is a misuse of language to apply the word
"meaning" to such events in life.  Just because we can string the
words together does not give it a reality or value.

That said, I also recognize that for many people religious beliefs do
help them live.  Like John Lennon said "Whatever gets you through the
night, its alright, its alright!" I am not in a position to criticize
how other people get through their night.  I just know what works for me.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Excerpts from a fascinating interview with Karen Armstrong,
> author of "A History of God," on Salon.com (if you don't
> have a subscription to Salon, you'll have to watch a brief
> advertisement to read the interview):
> 
> 
> [Scientists] can explain a tremendous amount. But they can't talk 
> about meaning so much. If your child dies, or you witness a terrible 
> natural catastrophe such as Hurricane Katrina, you want to have a 
> scientific explanation of it. But that's not all human beings need. 
> We are beings who fall very easily into despair because we're meaning-
> seeking creatures. And if things don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: was No yellow stars -Northern arrogance

2006-05-30 Thread markmeredith2002




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> > > Farokh is a jerk, as far as I can tell. As I said before, he could
> > have gotten sponsorship for 
> > > the cert course, and grants from all over for the course fees, but
> > he wanted to keep his 
> > > own little fiefdom independent of the TMO.
> > > 
> > > And no, the crowns wouldn't turn anyone off because the Rajas
> > wouldn't be interacting 
> > > with the inmates or the judges.
> > 
> > Farokh spent over a decade developing the sentencing program,
> > including extensive searches for grants and donations.  You think it's
> > easy to gets grants to pay for $2,500 TM fees?  That's absurd.  
> 
> Not at all absurd. People like David Lynch exist and have donated
quite a bit of money to 
> teach TM to kids this past year.

Who besides David Lynch has provided grant money to teach TM at $2,500
per person this past year?
 
> And
> > prior to this program, Farokh initiated thousands in horrifying
> > african prisons.
> 
> I have the book on the subject.
> 
>   There's no fiefdom or glory in his projects, either
> > within or outside the tmo.  He does it out of personal conviction and
> > he knows from experience what it takes to make them work.
> 
> I have the book on the subject. I also read his response to a
request for the research on 
> TM.

Don't know what this means.
 
> > Meanwhile the raja-run recert program has succeeded in opening 1
> > Enlightenment Mall Store which is a total failure.
> 
> And that's all you think they have done?

That was the sole point of the recertification course which you said
Farokh should have raised money to take.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: True Essence Of Yoga

2006-05-30 Thread surya

"shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > In a message dated 5/27/06 3:11:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> > shempmcgurk@ writes:
> > 
> > All I  can say is about 30 years ago (during a period of both 
long  rounding and  celibacy) I had the experience of a flower 
opening up, 
> > petal by petal (in  an astonishing "mechanical" way), in my 
spinal  area about the height of  where the sternum is.
> > 
> > Ever see a cobra at your feet during mediation? I did and it  
> scared me so  much I wanted to pull my feet up in the chair with 
me and when I  realized i  didn't have control of my body, then I 
remembered I was  meditating  and it was  just an experience.
> 
> I read in one of Muktananda's books that seeing a snake during 
> meditation is incredibly auspicious.

If you see the life of any real devotee the truth will be known 
automatically. The top most devotees who also turned out top most 
jnanis by achieving the top most laurels by pleasing the Lord 
are 

Hanuman, a topmost devotee identified Lord Rama and served Him and 
always said `I am servant to Lord Rama'. He even performed many 
miracles also and still he has given credit of them to Rama only. 
(Dasoham kosalendrasya.) For such worship, Lord has given future 
creator post to Hanuman. St. Peter, St. John, St. Luke... identified 
Lord Jesus by His divine knowledge and participated in the 
propagation of divine knowledge. 

Swami Vivekananda participated in the mission of propagation of 
divine knowledge on the order of the then human incarnation Rama 
Krishna Paramahamsa. Gopikas identified and worshipped Lord Krishna, 
the then human incarnation only and got the highest fruit of top 
most Goloka.  

Likewise the disciples of Adi Sankara worshipped Him as lord and 
latter on participated in the propagation of divine knowledge. 
Meerabai also propagated Krishna Bhakti by composing hymns and 
propagated them.

In all these the disciples identified the Lord in the human form 
during their time and participated in His mission as servants. So, 
first one should identify the Satguru and then learn divine 
knowledge from Him. These disciples worshipped their Satguru. At His 
order, they participated in the propagation of divine knowledge as 
Service to Lord. Service only proves our real devotion, which 
consists of Karma phala tyaga (sacrifice of money) & karma sanyasa 
(physically participating in His mission).

They were not in any illusion of Advaita. Sankara who propagated 
advaita (Nondualism) showed to His disciples that 'you are all not 
Lord. I am only Lord' by drinking molten lead. The disciples could 
not drink it. So only Sankara is Lord in human form and not 
disciples. If disciples themselves are not Lord, normal human beings 
cannot even think of in their dreams also.

There are three types of people in the world. First type of people 
will listen and follow the preaching of Lord in their life 
practically. The second type of people listen and may or may not 
follow (50-50 chance). The third type people will never listen & 
follow even if preached to any extent. The propagation of divine 
knowledge by Lord in human form is mainly for the first two 
categories. But if the truth is not preached to all the categories, 
the soul after death goes to Pretaloka for enquiry. There soul may 
point out Lord that you have not preched me this divine knowledge 
otherwise i would have followed and benefited. Anyway even by logic, 
first divine knowledge should be preached and then only punishment 
should be given. So to avoid the blame, Lord comes in human form and 
preaches the divine knowledge to all the people.

  posted by: His servant
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[FairfieldLife] Re: True Essence Of Yoga

2006-05-30 Thread surya

"shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"surya"   wrote:
> > Yoga is the most prestigious field of spiritualism. People think 
> > about 6 wheels (Chakras) or lotus flowers present in the spinal 
> > card, which are not seen by the eyes. They are imaginary

> Imaginary?
> All I can say is about 30 years ago (during a period of both long 
> rounding and celibacy) I had the experience of a flower opening 
up, petal by petal (in an astonishing "mechanical" way), in my 
spinal  area about the height of where the sternum is. 

If you operate the spine you do not find a single Chakra even after 
observing through the most powerful microscope.  These Chakras are 
symbolic representations of various whirlpools that come across 
while you are swimming this ocean of creation.  These wheels are the 
illusory bonds with body, family, relatives, caste, religion and 
nation.  You have to cross all these attractions to attain your self 
(Atman).  Then you become eligible to attain Satguru.  Attainment is 
not physical association, but it is the firm faith after correct 
identification.    

There are three types of people. The first type of people are 
ordinary human beings who do not start the spiritual journey. They 
are strongly attracted by this world and these attractions are the 
qualities accumulated from millions of births in the soul. Such 
people are called as Ayukta (Ayuktah Kamakarena PhalesaktahGita). 
The second type of people are called as yogis who practice Yoga and 
who have not yet completed the training in Yoga. They cannot 
sacrifice their fruit of the work to the Lord. They can sacrifice 
the work, devotion by mind, discussions with intelligence and any 
work with senses of their body like singing songs etc (Kayena Manasa 
BuddhyaGita). The third type of people are called as Yuktas, which 
means the people who have finished the training in Yoga. Such people 
sacrifice the fruit of work also along with the above (Yuktah 
KarmaphalamGita). The aspects to be achieved by Yoga are the equal 
reaction to all types of incidents and the reaction must be only 
peaceful undisturbed balance of mind (Sarvatra Samadarsanah, 
Prasanta ManasamGita). Another aspect is not to think of any 
worldly matter in leisure time. Such thinking will lead to loss of 
energy (Nakinchidapi ChintayetGita). Another aspect is to realise 
the achievement of grace of God as the highest profit in the life 
(Yamlabdhva NaparamGita). Another aspect of Yoga is to maintain 
constant mind even if a mountain of misery falls on you (Na Duhkhe 
na GurunapiGita). Another aspect of Yoga is not to have even a 
single worldly desire in mind (Nisspruhah SarvaakamebhyahGita). 
Another aspect of Yoga is to control the worldly activities to the 
possible minimum level because if God's grace is there, any worldly 
affair will succeed even with minimum effort (YuktacheshtasyaGita). 

To please the Lord you have to surrender your words by singing about 
Him, the mind in His devotion and the intelligence in His 
discussions. However these three constitute only 1% of the total 
sacrifice and this is called as theoretical sacrifice. The sacrifice 
of your work and fruit of work constitutes 99% of sacrifice, which 
is called as practical sacrifice. The practical sacrifice should be 
done to the most deserving Lord in human form if recognised 
properly. The reason is that all this wealth belongs to the Lord 
only since He is the creator of the entire universe. All this wealth 
is His immovable property and all the living beings are His movable 
property. You are a part and parcel of His movable property. You are 
supposed to take any amount from His infinite wealth for your basic 
needs, the boundary of which cannot be infinite. The rich man who 
has no boundaries in his ambition to take the wealth of the Lord in 
unlimited quantities must realise that his effort is useless and 
waste. The reason is that one has to leave all the excess of wealth 
here only and his family members will not share his sin. They never 
provoked him to earn infinitely for their sake. Therefore he is the 
only responsible person for all the sins. He should retain the 
required wealth for all the needs only (Yavanartha UdapaneGita). If 
he analyses the family bonds, they are proved as unreal dramatic 
bonds. Therefore a rich man should donate the excess of wealth to 
the Lord in human form for His mission. If the human incarnation is 
not recognised, the second address of Lord is a real devotee. The 
Lord dwells in the hearts of a real devotee. But people are donating 
to temples seeing the statues without analysing the background 
management. If the manager is neither the human incarnation nor a 
real devotee, the sacrifice of your money is a waste. 

  posted by: His servant
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  www.universal-spirituality.org

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion is hard work

2006-05-30 Thread Patrick Gillam

I liked the way Armstrong, with the help of the 
interviewer, defined her terms right away.

Salon: What is religion?

Armstong: Religion is a search for transcendence. But transcendence isn't necessarily sited 
in an external god, which can be a very unspiritual, unreligious concept. The sages were 
all extremely concerned with transcendence, with going beyond the self and discovering a 
realm, a reality, that could not be defined in words. Buddhists talk about Nirvana in very 
much the same terms as monotheists describe God.

Salon: Didn't a lot of people say God is beyond language? We could only experience the 
glimmer of God.

Armstrong: That's what the Buddha said. You can't define Nirvana, you can't say what it is. 
The Buddha also said you could craft a new kind of human being in touch with 
transcendence. He was once asked by a Brahman priest who passed him in contemplation 
and was absolutely mesmerized by this man sitting in utter serenity. He said, "Are you a 
god, sir? Are you an angel or a spirit?" And the Buddha said, "No, I'm awake." His 
disciplined lifestyle had activated parts of his humanity that ordinarily lie dormant. But 
anybody could do it if they trained hard enough. The Buddhists and the Confucians and 
the greatest monotheistic mystics did with their minds and hearts what gymnasts and 
dancers do with their bodies.

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> Excerpts from a fascinating interview with Karen Armstrong,
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> have a subscription to Salon, you'll have to watch a brief
> advertisement to read the interview):
> 
> http://www.salon.com/books/int/2006/05/30/armstrong/
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 5/29/06 10:03:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Every  Memorial Day we hear that myth about those who have fallen 
> fighting for  "our freedom."  Believe me nobody ever died fighting for 
> "our  freedom."   Instead they fought to keep the rich rich and the poor  
> poor.  They fought the wars as pawns for the rich.  The rich  could give 
> a damn about "our freedom", instead just theirs to keep  counting their 
> money.  When will we learn?
> 
> Vaj  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Obvious class envy.
>

I would be somewhat more charitable in my assessment of the Powers That Be that take us 
to war if they weren't so heavily involved in making money off of arms production.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: was No yellow stars -Northern arrogance




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  
> > > wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > > > What happens when someone devoted to teaching tm tries to do it 
> > > at a
> > > > > more resonable price, and isn't willing to lie about it? He is 
> > > sued.
> > > > > (I know it'll be argued, here, that they are protecting the 
> > > service
> > > > > marks, but they have established a precident and it will happen
> > > > > again.) Wait, watch and see.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > OF COURSE  it will. That's the whole point: That's how you protect 
> > > such things: by showing a 
> > > > pattern of going through the process of legal protection. If you 
> > > don't, then you can't claim 
> > > > that you're still the trademark holder when a larger organization 
> > > comes along and starts 
> > > > using it.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > ***
> > > 
> > > In any event, the Florida lawsuit was settled -- the guy agreed to 
> > > call, like the Missouri sentencing people, what they teach 
> > > the "Transcendental Stress Management Program," instead of TM. So 
> > > the TM trademark is protected and the people who wanted to go off on 
> > > their own can carry on.
> > >
> > 
> > Farokh is a jerk, as far as I can tell. As I said before, he could
> have gotten sponsorship for 
> > the cert course, and grants from all over for the course fees, but
> he wanted to keep his 
> > own little fiefdom independent of the TMO.
> > 
> > And no, the crowns wouldn't turn anyone off because the Rajas
> wouldn't be interacting 
> > with the inmates or the judges.
> 
> Farokh spent over a decade developing the sentencing program,
> including extensive searches for grants and donations.  You think it's
> easy to gets grants to pay for $2,500 TM fees?  That's absurd.  

Not at all absurd. People like David Lynch exist and have donated quite a bit of money to 
teach TM to kids this past year.

And
> prior to this program, Farokh initiated thousands in horrifying
> african prisons.

I have the book on the subject.

  There's no fiefdom or glory in his projects, either
> within or outside the tmo.  He does it out of personal conviction and
> he knows from experience what it takes to make them work.

I have the book on the subject. I also read his response to a request for the research on 
TM.


> 
> Meanwhile the raja-run recert program has succeeded in opening 1
> Enlightenment Mall Store which is a total failure.
>

And that's all you think they have done?














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[FairfieldLife] Religion is hard work




Excerpts from a fascinating interview with Karen Armstrong,
author of "A History of God," on Salon.com (if you don't
have a subscription to Salon, you'll have to watch a brief
advertisement to read the interview):


[Scientists] can explain a tremendous amount. But they can't talk 
about meaning so much. If your child dies, or you witness a terrible 
natural catastrophe such as Hurricane Katrina, you want to have a 
scientific explanation of it. But that's not all human beings need. 
We are beings who fall very easily into despair because we're meaning-
seeking creatures. And if things don't add up in some way, we can 
become crippled by our despondency.

...In the pre-modern world, there were two ways of arriving at truth. 
Plato, for example, called them mythos and logos. Myth and reason or 
science. We've always needed both of them. It was very important in 
the pre-modern world to realize these two things, myth and science, 
were complementary. One didn't cancel the other out

[Hating religion] is not what the Buddha would call skillful. If 
you're consumed by hatred -- Freud was rather the same -- then this 
is souring your personality and clouding your vision. What you need 
to do is to look appraisingly and calmly on other traditions. Because 
when you hate religion, it's also very easy to hate the people who 
practice it

...This kind of chauvinism that says secularism is right, religion is 
all bunk -- this is one-sided and I think basically egotistic. People 
are saying my opinion is right and everybody else's is wrong. It gets 
you riled up. It gives you a sense of holy righteousness, where you 
feel frightfully pleased with yourself when you're sounding off, and 
you get a glorious buzz about it. But I don't see this as helpful to 
humanity. And when you suppress religion and try and get rid of it, 
then it's likely to take unhealthy forms

...Fundamentalism has developed in every single one of the major 
traditions as a response to secularism that has been dismissive or 
even cruel, and has attempted to wipe out religion. And if you try to 
repress it -- as happened in the Soviet Union -- there's now a huge 
religious revival in the Soviet Union, and some of it's not very 
healthy. It's like the suppression of the sexual instinct. If you 
repress the sexual instinct and try to tamp it down, it's likely to 
develop all kinds of perverse and twisted forms. And religion's the 
same

Religion is hard work. It's an art form. It's a way of finding 
meaning, like art, like painting, like poetry, in a world that is 
violent and cruel and often seems meaningless. And art is hard work. 
You don't just dash off a painting. It takes years of study. I think 
we expect religious knowledge to be instant. But religious knowledge 
comes incrementally and slowly. And religion is like any other 
activity. It's like cooking or sex or science. You have good art, sex 
and science, and bad art, sex and science. It's not easy to do it 
well. 

...Sacred texts have traditionally been a bridge to the divine. 
They're all difficult. They're not a simple manual -- a how-to book 
that will tell you how to gain enlightenment by next week, like how 
to lose weight on the Atkins Diet. This is a slow process. I think 
the best image for reading scripture occurs in the story of Jacob, 
who wrestles with a stranger all night long. And in the morning, the 
stranger seems to have been his God. That's when Jacob is given the 
name Israel -- "one who fights with God." And he goes away limping as 
he walks into the sunrise. Scriptures are a struggle. 

...Faith is not a matter of believing things. That's again a modern 
Western notion. It's only been current since the 18th century. 
Believing things is neither here nor there, despite what some 
religious people say and what some secularists say. That is a very 
eccentric religious position, current really only in the Western 
Christian world

http://www.salon.com/books/int/2006/05/30/armstrong/ 










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: was No yellow stars -Northern arrogance

2006-05-30 Thread Sal Sunshine

Actually it's not quite a total failure at this point Mark, it has to have at least one person walk in and out before it can claim that distinction. :)

Sal

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>
> 
> Meanwhile the raja-run recert program has succeeded in opening 1
> Enlightenment Mall Store which is a total failure.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: was No yellow stars -Northern arrogance

2006-05-30 Thread feste37

Are you referring to the one in the Old Capitol Mall in Iowa City?

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> 
> Meanwhile the raja-run recert program has succeeded in opening 1
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > That's all maya my friend.  Wake up.
> 
> Worse, it's "sub-Maya," illusions created by and
> propagated by illusions to other illusions. It's
> not as if, after all, war is part of some cosmic 
> grand plan;

If there *is* such a thing as a "cosmic grand plan,"
it would by definition include everything that goes
down in the universe, including war and resistance
to war.

 it's more of a *failure* on the part 
> of the illusory beings, a kind of transferred 
> anger that they take out on other illusory beings 
> when they start to intuit that they themselves 
> are illusions.

It strikes me that the contemptuous demonization
by wannabe pacifists of those involved in war falls
into the same category: it's equally fraught with
transferred anger and equally devoid of compassion
and understanding.  It only reinforces and
perpetuates the failure to achieve lasting resolution
of conflict.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Memorial Day Message







In a message dated 5/29/06 10:03:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Every 
  Memorial Day we hear that myth about those who have fallen fighting for 
  "our freedom."  Believe me nobody ever died fighting for "our 
  freedom."   Instead they fought to keep the rich rich and the poor 
  poor.  They fought the wars as pawns for the rich.  The rich 
  could give a damn about "our freedom", instead just theirs to keep 
  counting their money.  When will we learn?Vaj 
  wrote:

Obvious class envy.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate 
>  wrote:
> >
> > So Turq,
> > 
> > When did you file your CO (conscientious objector) papers? 
> > Tell us about your plans to go to jail rather than perpetuate 
> > war and to kill. 
> > 
> > Or are your words as hollow as your friends?
> > 
> > And when did resisting wars ever mean one can't and should not
> > honor those that did offer their bodies, willingly, or by 
> > coercion, as a sacrifice. 
> > 
> > I honor those that resisted, those that were on the "other" side 
> > (a strange concept), and those who were conscripted and 
> > volunteered for the US Armed Forces and lost limbs and lives. 
> > 
> > Are you one of those who spit on vietnam vet amputees and maimed? 
> > 
> > Can  you step off your soap box long enough to honor those who 
> > were forced to fight wars they did not start?
> > 
> > I have less sympathy for leaders and voters who create and feed 
> > the foundations of war. And dillitants who sprout prissy nice 
> > words that are hollow, cynical and so dry -- empty of compassion 
> > and humanity.
> 
> You know, dude, there's a new hotline for Attention
> Vampires, at 1-800-FUCK-OFF. I hear they've been
> able to help a lot of people. You just call and
> try to get their attention and they laugh at you 
> until you start to laugh at yourself.  :-)

Quotation from the Pacifist Memorial Plaque:

St. Catherine of Siena 
Political and Religious Peacemaker 
(1347-1380) 

"In mercy you have seen fit today to show me, poor as I am, how we 
can in no way pass judgment on other people's intentions. Indeed, by 
sending people in an endless variety of paths, you give an example 
for myself, and for this I thank you."











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[FairfieldLife] New Video Game: Christians Convert or Kill Non-Believers

2006-05-30 Thread markmeredith2002




From:  http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/5/29/195855/959

Imagine: you are a foot soldier in a paramilitary group whose purpose
is to remake America as a Christian theocracy, and establish its
worldly vision of the dominion of Christ over all aspects of life. You
are issued high-tech military weaponry, and instructed to engage the
infidel on the streets of New York City. You are on a mission - both a
religious mission and a military mission -- to convert or kill
Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, gays, and anyone who advocates
the separation of church and state - especially moderate, mainstream
Christians. Your mission is "to conduct physical and spiritual
warfare"; all who resist must be taken out with extreme prejudice. You
have never felt so powerful, so driven by a purpose: you are 13 years
old. You are playing a real-time strategy video game whose creators
are linked to the empire of mega-church pastor Rick Warren, best
selling author of The Purpose Driven Life.

The game, slated for release by October 2006 in advance of the
Christmas shopping rush, has been previewed at video game exhibitions,
and reviewed by major newspapers and magazines. But until now, no fan
or critic has pointed out the controversial game's connection to Mr.
Warren or his dominionist agenda.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: was No yellow stars -Northern arrogance

2006-05-30 Thread markmeredith2002




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  
> > wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > What happens when someone devoted to teaching tm tries to do it 
> > at a
> > > > more resonable price, and isn't willing to lie about it? He is 
> > sued.
> > > > (I know it'll be argued, here, that they are protecting the 
> > service
> > > > marks, but they have established a precident and it will happen
> > > > again.) Wait, watch and see.
> > > >
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > > OF COURSE  it will. That's the whole point: That's how you protect 
> > such things: by showing a 
> > > pattern of going through the process of legal protection. If you 
> > don't, then you can't claim 
> > > that you're still the trademark holder when a larger organization 
> > comes along and starts 
> > > using it.
> > >
> > 
> > ***
> > 
> > In any event, the Florida lawsuit was settled -- the guy agreed to 
> > call, like the Missouri sentencing people, what they teach 
> > the "Transcendental Stress Management Program," instead of TM. So 
> > the TM trademark is protected and the people who wanted to go off on 
> > their own can carry on.
> >
> 
> Farokh is a jerk, as far as I can tell. As I said before, he could
have gotten sponsorship for 
> the cert course, and grants from all over for the course fees, but
he wanted to keep his 
> own little fiefdom independent of the TMO.
> 
> And no, the crowns wouldn't turn anyone off because the Rajas
wouldn't be interacting 
> with the inmates or the judges.

Farokh spent over a decade developing the sentencing program,
including extensive searches for grants and donations.  You think it's
easy to gets grants to pay for $2,500 TM fees?  That's absurd.  And
prior to this program, Farokh initiated thousands in horrifying
african prisons.  There's no fiefdom or glory in his projects, either
within or outside the tmo.  He does it out of personal conviction and
he knows from experience what it takes to make them work.

Meanwhile the raja-run recert program has succeeded in opening 1
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[FairfieldLife] Affirmation of the Bodhisattva Way-of-Life, was Memorial Day

2006-05-30 Thread Vaj



      The Liberation of All Sentient Creatures  I understand that although I pledge to save every being, I recognise what the Buddha declared, that there are no individual sentient beings to be saved.  Thus I understand that I must develop a view of the essential unity of all things and must see that unity reflected in every apparently separate living creature.  I understand that while I see fragmented consciousness on the worldly plane, due to the fragmentation of my own consciousness, I will look yet more profoundly and see the thread that unites all consciousness.  I understand that the apparent individualised consciousness reflected in the individual natures is the universal consciousness of all things.  I understand that the Bodhisattva recognising the higher within himself thereby recognises the higher within others.   The Unattainable  I understand that the ideal of helping all sentient creatures is an ideal that cannot ever be fully attained and yet I will throw my whole being into its achievement.  I will see my Bodhisattva pledge as a pledge to carry the flame of the truth of the dharma and to transmit that flame to all who are ready to receive. Thus one day all may be liberated. This is my pledge to save all sentient creatures.  While alive I will recognise of the connection between the moment of birth and the moment of death, of the intimate relationship between the pain of one human being and the sorrow of all humanity.   Difficulties I understand that the prospect of such a vow is naturally perplexing to the lower mind, which is almost totally ignorant of the priorities of the true nature and knows very little about this life.  I know that if this pledge is taken prematurely, lacking this sense of necessity, it will precipitate difficulties, generate a sense of culpability with transgression, generate tortured anxiety about the nature of my personal path, involve futile comparisons and contrasts with other human beings, make me feel isolated and alone. But out of all these Mara generated experiences there will come a future ripeness.  I know that those who have well travelled the Bodhisattva path, who have taken the vow again and again, know that soon after one has made such an affirmation, one is going to be tested. I shall overcome.   Serving  I perceive that my own true interest and liberation is bound up in serving others to the utmost, and I will develop the supreme wisdom to know at any given time, in any particular context, what the true self-interest of another is.  I perceive that living correctly in accord with the Dharma as a Bodhisattva, is doubtless the noblest endeavour conceivable for any human being anywhere on earth in the past present or the future.  I perceive that the Bodhisattva is more than a human creature with a generous heart. It is the becoming of an ideal. Thus the potential life of others can be reflected in me. My Buddha-nature is to be found in every man and universal brotherhood must by my behaviour be seen to be attainable by every human creature that is aware.  I perceive that this ideal is not imposed as an idea. The Bodhisattva state is a natural state within each human creature which has been covered with a blanket of Ignorance. I shall remove that blanket of ignorance.  I perceive that I must look for the potential virtue and correctness in others, and see that there does exist so much potential for the common good in others, that I will be capable of handling judgements of their limitations.  I perceive that it is important not to forget our true human heritage, our real nature and, thus, will travel securely upon the eightfold path free from the pressures of social and personal relationships.   Imperfection  I understand that there is another kind of suffering, both more tragic and nobler. It is the suffering for others. I see that I must helplessly observe countless humans destroy themselves and one another, committing useless acts of physical and psychological violence, yet find no individual fault in them.  I know that the Bodhisattva is imperfect and suffers frustration, but I must stand and watch this, and not be caught into egoistic suffering.  I know that I must stand as witness to seemingly perpetual personal degradation and yet see the untouched purity of our Buddha-nature.   Sacrifice I know that I must live in this world, seeking the true interest of every sentient creature, in detachment from clinging and craving the world of the senses.  I know that the Bodhisattva path requires the sacrifice of Identity, beginning with universal mind and ending with the smallest element of existence. This sacrifice and compassion is the same thing.   Every word and each day is like an incarnation. Thus I will allow myself to be reborn in wisdom each second with my mind always open and receptive to the dharma.   The Recognition of the Bodhisattva Pledge  I recog

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message

2006-05-30 Thread Vaj

On May 30, 2006, at 12:11 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote:

> That many leaders on many sides through history have let down the
> troops they led into battle  with national chauvinism and jingoistic
> bravado is indisputable.

Or the Domino theory.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Every Memorial Day we hear that myth about those who 
> > > have fallen fighting for "our freedom."  Believe me 
> > > nobody ever died fighting for "our freedom."  
> > 
> > The vast majority of them fought and died because
> > they were told to and had so little imagination
> > that it never occurred to them that they could 
> > say no, to conscription and to the whole stupid
> > business of war.
> > 
> > But mark my words, you're gonna get a lot of flak
> > here for saying this, from those with just as
> > little imagination, who are upset that you choose
> > to rock the boat when they are afraid to.
> 
> Barry, your policy of non-violence is the best one...

I never said I believed exclusively in non-violence.

> ...just lay down 
> your arms...refuse to serve...and, hey, if everyone will  
> do it, peace will reign.

I didn't say this, either.

> There's just one small problem: it takes EVERYONE to do it.  

No, it really doesn't. Wars are *declared*; they
just don't happen. If the leaders of a nation 
attempt to declare a war and the cannon fodder
of that nation refuse to become cannon fodder, 
the leaders can't have their war.

It always starts with the agressor nation. The
people who agree to be part of the agression
are 'enabling' the behavior of the leaders who
goad them into it. 

But even once into it, they can always stop and 
say "No." One of the things that isn't getting 
much media play in the US but is here in Europe 
is the number of American soldiers in Iraq going
AWOL when they get their first leave. 

The Army has actually stopped sending most of
them home to the US for leave, because they've
come to realize that a certain percentage of
them never come back. So instead the Army is
paying to send the soldiers' families over to
US bases in Germany, and sending the soldiers
there to visit with them. They've found that
this cuts down the number of people jumping
ship.

I have a friend who lives in Germany and, 
because she is fluent in German, French and
English, makes her living as a tour guide for
a company near one of these bases there in
Germany. So on every one of her tours there
are soldiers from Iraq and their families.
*Also* on every one of her tours are one or
two MPs, who are paid to go along and make
sure no one "gets off the bus" somewhere along
the way. Fascinating world we live in, eh?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Every Memorial Day we hear that myth about those who have 
fallen 
> > > fighting for "our freedom."  Believe me nobody ever died 
fighting for 
> > > "our freedom."  
> > 
> > Horse shit. You poor dryless cynic.
> 
> To hold that many of those sent to fight did not believe and 
dedicate
> their lives to noble ideals is horseshit, and personifies a soul 
never 
> engaged in the front lines and the horror and sacrafices made.
> 
> That many leaders on many sides through history have let down the
> troops they led into battle  with national chauvinism and 
jingoistic
> bravado is indisputable.
> 
> But to demean those sent to die, often with no choice, often fought
> with noble and sincere ideals, is quite putridly sick. Don't demean
> common soldiers' courage and sacrafices with your armchair 
horseshit
> meanderings of a dry soul, devoid of compassion, shakti, or any
> positive tantric virtue.
> 
> > > Instead they fought to keep the rich rich and the poor 
> > > poor. 
> 
> The fallen soldiers, on both sides, deserve honor and respect. 
Their
> leaders may not, and may deserve damnation. Revolutionary War 
(seems
> noble with exceptions), Civil war (seems a waste, let states 
determine
> their own destinies as free people), Indian wars (genocidic,
> excessive, which we bear great shame, and bear the price of still
> today), WWI (a waste of US effort -- a power struggle of tired and
> decayed imperialist powers, which the US should have left to wear 
down
> their depraved imperialistic and militeristic ways), WWII (a 
result of
> "Allied"  harshness of the Treaty of Versaille, but noble in a 
limited
> view, the need to contain facism and neo-imperialism), Viet-Nam (a 
sad
> waste).
> 
> But any soldier who was called and fought have my respect. Any 
soldier
> maimed, has much respect. Any soldier who died in such, has much 
much
> honor and respect. On both sides. And those that resisted. Went to
> jail. COs.
> 
> To demean the sincerity of the majority of common soldiers is sad, 
if
> not horrific, on Memorial Day. 
> 
> Caste your spite, if you must, on stupid and manipulative leaders. 
But
> casting love, foregiveness, and acceptance is the path to peace. 
Not
> empty disrespectful rhetoric.
> 
> I have spent the day honoring the 57,000+ american dead from 
Vietnam.
> Its such a huge number of souls. I wish I could light a candle for
> each. Next year! May we all give them deserved compassion. As well 
as
> the several million (by some accounts) of perished vietnamese.
> 
> And WWII. The tragedy boggles the mind and heart. From blitzkrieg, 
to
> death camps, to the fierceness of Okinowa and pending Kyusua, to 
the
> horror of the Atomic bombs. How dare you defile the sacrafice of
> millions with platitudes!
> 
> All honor and love to all deseased and maimed. On all sides. And
> hoping all can finally appreciate the pure and deep humanity in 
all.
> And war will become a relic.



Well said.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > Every Memorial Day we hear that myth about those who 
> > have fallen fighting for "our freedom."  Believe me 
> > nobody ever died fighting for "our freedom."  
> 
> The vast majority of them fought and died because
> they were told to and had so little imagination
> that it never occurred to them that they could 
> say no, to conscription and to the whole stupid
> business of war.
> 
> But mark my words, you're gonna get a lot of flak
> here for saying this, from those with just as
> little imagination, who are upset that you choose
> to rock the boat when they are afraid to.
>

Barry, your policy of non-violence is the best onejust lay down 
your arms...refuse to serve...and, hey, if everyone will do it, 
peace will reign.

There's just one small problem: it takes EVERYONE to do it.  And, 
unfortunately, when almost everyone lays down their arms and a few 
holdouts don't, well, guess who becomes top dog?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Memorial Day Message




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> May I suggest you read "War is a Racket" by General Smedley Butler.






I wouldn't trust anyone named Smedley.

It's too suspicious sounding...like Shemp...






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> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Every Memorial Day we hear that myth about those who have 
fallen
> > > fighting for "our freedom."  Believe me nobody ever died 
fighting for
> > > "our freedom." 
> >
> >Horse shit. You poor dryless cynic.
> >
> > > Instead they fought to keep the rich rich and the poor
> > > poor.
> >
> >What else did you learn in Imperialism 101.
> >
> >They fought the wars as pawns for the rich.  The rich could give
> > > a damn about "our freedom", instead just theirs to keep 
counting their
> > > money.  When will we learn?
> >
> >Well, despite all your tantric training, you perhaps have not 
learned
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lost' irony for Shemp




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
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> > Couldn't resist posting this:
> > 
> >   "Lost" star Michelle Rodriguez is back in jail 
> >   and when she gets out she might skip the country.
> > 
> >   Rodriguez is serving 60 days in jail for violating 
> >   probation with her last driving-under-the-influence 
> >   arrest.
> > 
> >   TMZ.com said Rodriguez wants to move to France because 
> >   "people don't bother you there."
> > 
> >   She said she may "never come back." 
> >  
> > Shemp, she's really gonna be shackin' up with me but
> > we're trying to keep that part out of the papers.  :-)
> 
> Crumb, Rodrigues, and Wright.
> 
> Sounds like a late sixties band.

Robert wouldn't like her. Her butt's too small. :-)











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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lost' irony for Shemp




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> Couldn't resist posting this:
> 
>   "Lost" star Michelle Rodriguez is back in jail 
>   and when she gets out she might skip the country.
> 
>   Rodriguez is serving 60 days in jail for violating 
>   probation with her last driving-under-the-influence 
>   arrest.
> 
>   TMZ.com said Rodriguez wants to move to France because 
>   "people don't bother you there."
> 
>   She said she may "never come back." 
>  
> Shemp, she's really gonna be shackin' up with me but
> we're trying to keep that part out of the papers.  :-)
>


Crumb, Rodrigues, and Wright.

Sounds like a late sixties band.











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