date:20070713

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Great.   
> Me and Turquoise will get severely drunk on vino in honor of this 
> great moment in time.
> 
> OffWorld
> 
The Holy Vino, that's fine...it's all in the intention.
Vino Bliss, it's a fine wine indeed.
Everyone's got their own favorite form of Bliss.
The church says: Body of Christ, blood of Christ.
Ah, the Vino...

[FairfieldLife] 'See the Tree- How big it's grown...'


   During the course of its life, a hundred-year- old tree: 
  a)  Has processed and fixed the amount of carbon-dioxide 
contained in 18 million cubic metres of natural air in the form of about 2500 
kg of pure carbon (C). 
   b)  Has photo-chemically converted 9,100 kg of CO  and 3,700 litres of 
H2O. 
   c)  Has stored up circa 23 million kilogram-calories (a calorific value 
equivalent to 3,500 kg of hard pit coal). 
   d)  Has made available for the respiration of human and beast 6,600 kg 
of molecular oxygen (O2). 
   e)  Against the forces of gravity, has drawn from its roots right up to 
its crown and evaporated into the atmosphere at least 2,500 tonnes of water, 
every tree is therefore a water-column and if such a column, which continually 
supplies and recharges the atmosphere with water, is cut down, then this amount 
of water is lost. 
   f)   Thereby fixing a mechanical equivalent of heat equal to the 
calorific value of 2,500 kg of coal. 
   g)  Has supplied a member of the consumer society with oxygen sufficient 
for 20 years, and its nature is such, that the larger it grows, the more oxygen 
it produces. 
  
  In view of such achievements, who in the future could value this tree merely 
for its timber? 
   The combustion of 100 litres of petrol consumes about 230 kg of oxygen. That 
is, after a trip of barely 30,000 km (18,640 miles) (96 lit/1000 km), this 
tree's entire 100 year production of oxygen has been squandered. 
   Driving an average size car 30,000 km (18,640 miles) = 100 years of oxygen 
production. 
 
   If a person chooses to breathe for three years, to burn 400 lit of petrol or 
heating oil, or 400 kg of coal, then the production through photosynthesis of 1 
tonne of oxygen is required. 
   1 tonne of O2 = the O2 content of 3,620 m3 of air (+ 15°C at 1atm) 
 
   The photosynthetic production of 1 tonne of oxygen necessitates: 
   a) The building up of 0.935 tonnes C6H12O6 (carbohydrate) , 
   b) which process requires 1.37 tonnes CO2  (carbon-dioxide) and 0.56 tonnes 
H2O  (water) 
   c) The transpiration of 230 to 930 tonnes H2O  
   d) Light energy equal to 527 x 106 quanta (v = 440 X 101Z) which represents 
3.52 million kilocalories. 
 
   All this is no small achievement for a single organism!
 
 
   [Source: Walter Schauberger, son of Viktor Schauberger]
 
   [Viktor Schauberger (1885-1958) was a pioneer of the study of the subtle 
energies in nature and the importance of living water in all natural processes. 
Far ahead of his time and from his unusually detailed observations of the 
natural world, Schauberger pioneered a completely new understanding of how 
nature works. He foresaw, and tried to warn against, the global waste and 
costly ecological destruction of our age.]
 


   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Imagine~ Tomorrow/Saturday - Fire the Grid- 6:11 AM CST'

2007-07-13 Thread off_world_beings

Great.   
Me and Turquoise will get severely drunk on vino in honor of this 
great moment in time.

OffWorld

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
>   July 17, 2007 at 11:11 GMT
>   document.write(localTime);  04:11 (4:11 AM) in your time zone  
>   
>  http://www.firethegrid.com/eng/home-fr-eng.htm
>   
> On July 17 at 11:11 GMT  document.write(localTime);  04:11 (4:11 
AM) in your time zone  we will assemble from all corners of our 
world as a collective body of energy to meditate simultaneously for 
1 hour (60 minutes).
>   To synchronize ourselves worldwide, each time zone begins the 
Fire the Grid meditation at the GMT equivalent local time (shown in 
blue).
> 
> -
>   
>
>   NEW For those desiring futher reassurance of your LOCAL 
meditation time, please refer to the table below which contains a 
complete list of every time zone worldwide and its relationship to 
11:11 GMT.
> 
> Region
>  GMT
>-/+
>  Adjusted
>Local Time
>  Time Zone
>  Monday   16 July 2007
>  International   Date
>Line West
>eg: Eniwetok
>  Kwajalein
>  -12
>  11:11pm   (23:11)
>  Dateline   Standard Time
>  Tuesday   17 July 2007
>  Midway Island
>  Samoa
>  -11
>  12:11am   (00:11)
>  Samoa Standard Time
>  Hawaii
>  -10
>  1:11am   (01:11)
>  Hawaii   Standard Time
>  Alaska
>  -9   *
>  3:11am   (03:11)
>  Alaskan   Daylight Time
>  Pacific Time (PDT)
>eg: Vancouver
>Seattle
>Lewiston
>Portland
>Reno
>Las Vegas
>San Francisco
>Los Angeles
>San Diego
>  -8   *
>  4:11am   (04:11)
>  Pacific   Daylight Time
>  Arizona
>  -7
>  4:11am   (04:11)
>  US   Mountain Standard Time
>  Chihuahua
>  LaPaz
>  Mazatlan
>  -7   *
>  5:11am   (05:11)
>  Mexico Daylight Time 2
>  Mountain Time (MDT)
>eg: Calgary
>  Billings
>  Boise
>  Cheyenne
>  Rapid City
>  Salt Lake   City
>  Denver
>  Albuquerque
>  El Paso
>  -7   *
>  5:11am   (05:11)
>  Mountain   Daylight Time
>  Central America
>  -6
>  5:11am   (05:11)
>  Central America Standard Time
>  Central Time (CDT)
>eg. Minneapolis
>Omaha
>Des Moines
>Chicago
>Dodge City
>Kansas City
>Nashville
>Dallas
>Houston
>New Orleans
>  -6   *
>  6:11am   (06:11)
>  Central   Daylight Time
>  Indiana (West)
>eg: Evansville
>  Valparaiso
>  -6   *
>  6:11am   (06:11)
>  Central   Daylight Time
>  Guadalajara
>  Mexico City
>  Monterrey
>  -6   *
>  6:11am   (06:11)
>  Mexico Daylight Time
>  Saskatchewan
>  -6
>  5:11am   (05:11)
>  Canada Central Standard Time
>  Bogota
>  Lima
>  Quito
>  -5
>  6:11am   (06:11)
>  SA   Pacific Standard Time
>  Eastern   Time (EDT)
>eg: Montreal
>Quebec City
>Ottawa
>Toronto
>Boston
>New York
>Detroit
>Indianapolis
>Louisville
>Philadelphia
>Raleigh
>Atlanta
>Tampa
>Miami
>  -5   *
>  7:11am   (07:11)
>  Eastern   Daylight Time
>  Atlantic   Time
>eg: Halifax
>  -4   *
>  8:11am   (08:11)
>  Atlantic   Daylight Time
>  Caracas
>  La Paz
>  -4
>  7:11am   (07:11)
>  SA   Western Standard Time
>  Santiago
>  -4
>  7:11am   (07:11)
>  Pacific   SA Standard Time
>  Georgetown
>  -4
>  7:11am   (07:11)
>  Guyana   Time
>  Newfoundland
>  -3:30   *
>  8:41am   (08:41)
>  Newfoundland   Daylight Time
>  Brasilia
>  -3
>  8:11am   (08:11)
>  Brazil   Standard Time
>  Buenos   Aires
>  -3
>  8:11am   (08:11)
>  SA   Eastern Standard Time
>  Greenland
>  -3   *
>  9:11am   (09:11)
>  Greenland   Daylight Time
>  Mid-Atlantic
>  -2   *
>  10:11am   (10:11)
>  Mid-Atlantic   Daylight Time
>  Azores
>  -1   *
>  11:11am   (11:11)
>  Azores   Daylight Time
>  Cape   Verde Is.
>  -1
>  10:11am   (10:11)
>  Cape   Verde Standard Time
>  Casablanca
>Monrovia
>  0
>  11:11am   (11:11)
>  Greenwich   Standard Time
>  Dublin
>Edinburgh
>Lisbon
>London
>  0   *
>  12:11pm   (12:11)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on Yoga Sutras

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> And I know this sounds strange to "fish who know only water", but we
> live in a body-centric, sensory-centric culture and world. Its all
> about making the body happy. Some other frameworks have prevailed
> through history, where amongst others, the body is seen as something
> to be endured, but to be liberated from. Pain and bodily
> disintegration are seen in a whole different light.

Yes, a really good point; it's all about our framing. As I said to the 
doctor, who was wondering why I was so happy as he was scrubbing the 
wound, "It's just another *thing*; it's really all only the radiant 
self, which we put different labels on and react accordingly.if we 
don't like our labels, why not change them?" He closed his eyes, went 
into stillness and said, "Done!" A very cool dude :-)

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's submersion and Guru Dev (was Re: An example of love as attachment)

2007-07-13 Thread jim_flanegin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
wrote:
> > >
> > A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. :-)
> 
> 
> What should we do then? Lock you up? Or just constrain you when you
> get wild?
>
"When did you stop beating your wife?":-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on Yoga Sutras

2007-07-13 Thread new . morning

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tertonzeno"  
> wrote:
> >
> > ---I don't get it.  How about that young girl in Iraq who got her 
> legs 
> > blown off?
> 
> What do you want me to say? I am well aware there are many on Earth who 
> are suffering, and suffering intensely. On the physical plane, I signed 
> petitions, did my best to wake people up to the manipulations around 
> 9/11, and demonstrated against the war in Iraq, as I'm sure you did 
> too. On the spiritual plane, it is all bliss. I just got my finger 
> nearly bitten off by our dog. The wound was a gift for which I am 
> immensely grateful, it is all very very good, and was a great joy 
> connecting with the people in the emergency room, doctors, etc.. Not in 
> the same ballpark as losing one's legs, of course, but you get my 
> drift. It will be even nicer when more people are consciously aware of 
> this utter bliss in every "thing" ... I am glad you're doing your part.
> 
> :-)

And I know this sounds strange to "fish who know only water", but we
live in a body-centric, sensory-centric culture and world. Its all
about making the body happy. Some other frameworks have prevailed
through history, where amongst others, the body is seen as something
to be endured, but to be liberated from. Pain and bodily
disintegration are seen in a whole different light.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on Yoga Sutras

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tertonzeno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> ---I don't get it.  How about that young girl in Iraq who got her 
legs 
> blown off?

What do you want me to say? I am well aware there are many on Earth who 
are suffering, and suffering intensely. On the physical plane, I signed 
petitions, did my best to wake people up to the manipulations around 
9/11, and demonstrated against the war in Iraq, as I'm sure you did 
too. On the spiritual plane, it is all bliss. I just got my finger 
nearly bitten off by our dog. The wound was a gift for which I am 
immensely grateful, it is all very very good, and was a great joy 
connecting with the people in the emergency room, doctors, etc.. Not in 
the same ballpark as losing one's legs, of course, but you get my 
drift. It will be even nicer when more people are consciously aware of 
this utter bliss in every "thing" ... I am glad you're doing your part.

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on Yoga Sutras

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tertonzeno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> ---I don't get it.  How about that young girl in Iraq who got her 
legs 
> blown off?

What do you want me to say? I am well aware there are many on Earth who 
are suffering, and suffering intensely. On the physical plane, I signed 
petitions, did my best to wake people up to the manipulations around 
9/11, and demonstrated against the war in Iraq, as I'm sure you did 
too. On the spiritual plane, it is all bliss. I just got my finger 
nearly bitten off by our dog. The wound was a gift for which I am 
immensely grateful, it is all very very good, and was a great joy 
connecting with the people in the emergency room, doctors, etc.. Not in 
the same ballpark as losing one's legs, of course, but you get my 
drift. It will be even nicer when more people are consciously aware of 
this utter bliss in every "thing" ... I am glad you're doing your part.

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's submersion and Guru Dev (was Re: An example of love as attachment)

2007-07-13 Thread new . morning

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. :-)


What should we do then? Lock you up? Or just constrain you when you
get wild?

[FairfieldLife] OM

2007-07-13 Thread Ron

My Guru said in Realization, everything is heard as OM.

The dead Guru's can tell you this in their books, channelers can channel a Guru 
that will tell 
you this, but a living Guru telling one this reaches beyond the intellect.

[FairfieldLife] "Which is it, is man one of God's blunders or is God one of man's?"

2007-07-13 Thread new . morning

"Which is it, is man one of God's blunders or is God one of man's?"
Friedrich Nietzsche

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on Yoga Sutras

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> Agreed-- Yeah, when I focused over there after re-reading what I 
had 
> written I got the same "hit"- concentrated sweetener. Ka-ching!
> 
> Glad to hear so many of the flock have turned to the shepherd. LOL! 
> Seriously, its awesome! Its like,"Hey lets do something radical and 
> join the rest of the Universe, shall we?". 

YES! Really nicely put :-D

Kind of makes the 
> previous state seem very strange and isolated indeed. The 
> expression "poor bastards" becomes a definition vs an epithet...ok 
> I'll be quiet now. 

*lol*
 
> Interesting too what empty bill was saying about once having set 
the 
> foundation with TM, it just takes a small nudge to pop us into the 
> Reality of Brahman. How this nudge occurs is fascinating to me; 
> Maharishi mentions bus exhaust as a possible catalyst, empty bill 
> mentions the teachings of Tibetan monks, Byron Katie was just lying 
> around on the floor, and personally I just ran into someone at the 
> right time who said the things I could finally hear. Seems to be as 
> varied as the experience of Brahman itself. Pretty funny, eh? 

Yes! *Lol*

Aaaah, 
> us meditators are just a bunch of pushovers. :-)

Indeed :-) 

Oh, in the interests of accuracy, my previous post should have 
read, "...on our travels lately all over the midwest and eastern 
U.S., as well as in Canada and in the U.K. we have been finding 
exactly the same thing" Glad to see *L*L*L* shining out your way, 
in the West as well! :-)

[FairfieldLife] Where does karma go- was Maharishi's submersion and Guru Dev

2007-07-13 Thread Ron



Post: While liberation from earthly, astral and casual bodies / planes is
a function of getting beyond the BINDING influence of ones vast
karma,it does not eliminate that karma. A brahma-vid still has tons of
karma, its just that that karma does not necessitate rebirth on
corresponding planes. But where does that karma go

Comment: I stated to my Guru that the Karma plays itself out, it is just that 
when vairagya ( 
non attachment) is in place, then no attachment to that Karma. My Guru said 
Gurus dont care 
if they have a body or not.

Looks to me that Karma is of the transcient relative because nothing can touch 
the absolute- 
so the karma plays out on the body and whatever else.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's submersion and Guru Dev (was Re: An example of love as attachment)

2007-07-13 Thread billy jim

According to Patanjali -
   
  YS 1.27: The sound which expresses (Ishvara) is the pranava (OM). (tasya 
vacaka pranava).
   
  YS 1.28: Meditative repetition of it realizes its referent. (tajjapas 
tad-artha pranava). 
   
  According to my friend L., the Samkhya-Yoga scholar -
   
  "The unfolding sound/silence structure of OM parallels the structure of the 
mind and the universe itself." 
   
  "Though OM has been associated with the divine in all Hindu religious sects, 
it is obiously more than just a convenient tag for a personal Lord. Names for 
divinity in Hinduism are innumerable; OM is unique.
   
  "Om is speech par excellence. By linking the mind with the nonlinguistic 
realities beyond it, OM, as speech, acts as a bridge, a means of passing over 
from the word to the referent. In the case of a referent that is spiritual - 
that is entirely immaterial - OM also functions paradoxically to disjoin what 
in speech is erroneously linked - the material intellect and consciousness 
itself. Here language does not function constuctively to shape and mold 
experience; it functions to deconstruct itself, to remove itself from 
consciousness. The ultimate purpose of ritual murmuring of the OM sound is 
conscious silence. This involves knowledge of a range of progressively more 
attenuated levels of speech and mental fuctioning as a whole."
   
  These are only partial quotes taken from one of his essays published in book 
form. Perhaps this will help answer your question.
   
  empty
   
  

tertonzeno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  ---What's the Name of Ishvara?

In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> New morn,
> 
> Thanks for your reply and encouragement.
> 
> There seems to be much support among later advaita teachers (ie. 
> after Shankara) for the idea of the sheer freedom of the fully 
> liberated being from any constrainsts whatsoever. They call this 
> state "videha mukti" or bodiless liberation. However there are also 
> historically major advaita teachers who followed the "Yogavasishta" 
> and another text called "Jivanmukti-viveka" in asserting that 
freedom 
> means not only transcendence of individuality but also freedom of 
> sheer universality. According to them, a liberated being can live 
> anywhere in the universe at will. From this POV karmic results 
simply 
> cease or dissolve away when there is no individual doer to create, 
> experience or receive them. Like the actions of Krishna, Shiva or 
> Deva Mata, such a universalized being plays at will throughout the 
> multiverses yet is never the doer - all is done by Ishvara, the 
> cosmic ruler. 
> 
> Having said this, I think we would be hard pressed to figure this 
one 
> out on our own. Better yet - maybe we should be among those 
> who "have" to ponder whether to retire or keep playing lila games 
> with the other surfers of divine grace.
> 
> empty
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Empty, I have been catching up on your posts. I like them. 
> > 
> > This topic is intersting. Some cosideration: 
> > 
> > 1) Yogananda wrote of his teacher returning to earth plane, from 
his
> > new role as teacher on causal planes helping other to gain 
> liberation
> > from casual rebirth.
> > 
> > 2) liberation from the cycle of birth and death, and not going
> > anywhere -- that is, being omnipresent -- could be on level of 
(near
> > around) akasha -- and still subject to rebirth in astral and 
casual
> > planes (which is another part of yoganandas story)
> > 
> > 3) Some traditions -- including now TM, hold there are a number of
> > states beyond BC (= Brahma-vid in your cosmo9logy?). This would 
> imply
> > a brahma vid could go on to some omni-present subtle body 
somewhere
> > and continue to "work it out". 
> > 
> > 4) Indra and other gods are said to be titles, and various 
entities
> > attain that title for some time, then relinquish it. And I know 
the
> > dogma that even the gods are not fully realized, yada yada. But if
> > Saraswati is a title, and some entity is currently holding that 
> title,
> > its seems odd that that entity would be less evolved than Brama-
> vids,
> > and a whole order of swamis, who are devoted to and worship the 
> Goddess.
> > 
> > 5) While liberation from earthly, astral and casual bodies / 
planes 
> is
> > a function of getting beyond the BINDING influence of ones vast
> > karma,it does not eliminate that karma. A brahma-vid still has 
tons 
> of
> > karma, its just that that karma does not necessitate rebirth on
> > corresponding planes. But where does that karma go. It doesn't
> > dissappear. There is no loss or creation of energy in the cosmos -
-
> > all is just transformed from one thing to another. 
> > 
> > And I can't deliver the "punchline" to this argument -- because it
> > doesn't add up -- that is, I am not sure what appropriate 
conclu

[FairfieldLife] Dalai Lama on suffering

2007-07-13 Thread quantum packet

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> >  
> > In a message dated 7/13/07 12:59:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> > do.rflex@ writes:
> > 
> > As I've  already cited, US laws are not based on Biblical  laws.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > You were wrong and so were your sources. 
> 
> 
> LOL! What a smug asshole.



He's only "smug" and an "asshole" if he's wrong.

If he's right, it's YOU that is the "smug asshole".  Actually you'd 
then be a WRONG smug asshole...considerably worse.

So, who's right?





> 
> 
> > Also realize I'm not saying every  
> > law we have is found in the Bible.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's submersion and Guru Dev ...

2007-07-13 Thread matrixmonitor

---Thanks for the reference!...but just what I suspected: several 
Personalities' Names are offered: Vishnu, Shiva, a form of the Divine 
Mother; even Yahweh. So, it seems there's much contention as to exactly 
WHO is the Ishvara.  Reminds me of that 50's show, "What's My Line?".
 But the real questions start even IF there's One of them who's in 
charge.  What the fis He doing, sitting on His butt?

 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tertonzeno"  
wrote:
> >
> > ---What's the Name of Ishvara?
> > 
> 
> Check it out here: 
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishvara
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on Yoga Sutras

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tertonzeno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ---I don't get it.  How about that young girl in Iraq who got her legs 
> blown off?

This is very sad, indeed...
And this place has been abused, the land, the people, for centuries.
Probably will take many centuries to purify this area again.
Pray for this little girl, and do anything which you feel inspired to
do, to bring the insanity to an end.

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's submersion and Guru Dev ...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tertonzeno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ---What's the Name of Ishvara?
> 

Check it out here: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishvara

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's submersion and Guru Dev (was Re: An example of love as attachment)

2007-07-13 Thread tertonzeno

---What's the Name of Ishvara?


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> New morn,
> 
> Thanks for your reply and encouragement.
> 
> There seems to be much support among later advaita teachers (ie. 
> after Shankara) for the idea of the sheer freedom of the fully 
> liberated being from any constrainsts whatsoever. They call this 
> state "videha mukti" or bodiless liberation. However there are also 
> historically major advaita teachers who followed the "Yogavasishta" 
> and another text called "Jivanmukti-viveka" in asserting that 
freedom 
> means not only transcendence of individuality but also freedom of 
> sheer universality. According to them, a liberated being can live 
> anywhere in the universe at will. From this POV karmic results 
simply 
> cease or dissolve away when there is no individual doer to create, 
> experience or receive them. Like the actions of Krishna, Shiva or 
> Deva Mata, such a universalized being plays at will throughout the 
> multiverses yet is never the doer - all is done by Ishvara, the 
> cosmic ruler. 
> 
> Having said this, I think we would be hard pressed to figure this 
one 
> out on our own. Better yet - maybe we should be among those 
> who "have" to ponder whether to retire or keep playing lila games 
> with the other surfers of divine grace.
> 
> empty
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Empty, I have been catching up on your posts. I like them. 
> > 
> > This topic is intersting. Some cosideration: 
> > 
> > 1) Yogananda wrote of his teacher returning to earth plane, from 
his
> > new role as teacher on causal planes helping other to gain 
> liberation
> > from casual rebirth.
> > 
> > 2) liberation from the cycle of birth and death, and not going
> > anywhere -- that is, being omnipresent -- could be on level of 
(near
> > around) akasha -- and still subject to rebirth in astral and 
casual
> > planes (which is another part of yoganandas story)
> > 
> > 3) Some traditions -- including now TM, hold there are a number of
> > states beyond BC (= Brahma-vid in your cosmo9logy?). This would 
> imply
> > a brahma vid could go on to some omni-present subtle body 
somewhere
> > and continue to "work it out". 
> > 
> > 4) Indra and other gods are said to be titles, and various 
entities
> > attain that title for some time, then relinquish it. And I know 
the
> > dogma that even the gods are not fully realized, yada yada. But if
> > Saraswati is a title, and some entity is currently holding that 
> title,
> > its seems odd that that entity would be less evolved than Brama-
> vids,
> > and a whole order of swamis, who are devoted to and worship the 
> Goddess.
> > 
> > 5) While liberation from earthly, astral and casual bodies / 
planes 
> is
> > a function of getting beyond the BINDING influence of ones vast
> > karma,it does not eliminate that karma. A brahma-vid still has 
tons 
> of
> > karma, its just that that karma  does not necessitate rebirth on
> > corresponding planes. But where does that karma go. It doesn't
> > dissappear. There is no loss or creation of energy in the cosmos -
-
> > all is just transformed from one thing to another. 
> > 
> > And I can't deliver the "punchline" to this argument -- because it
> > doesn't add up -- that is, I am not sure what appropriate 
conclusion
> > follows. Other than the compelling point that it doesn't all add 
up.
> > That karma goes some where, effects something. Could there still 
be 
> an
> > "entity" -- as omni-present and unstructured as can be --  
> associated
> > with, but not bound by that karma? Like a jivan mukti letting the
> > "last push of the cart" unfold?
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > > Have you ever read Adi-Shankara's Brahma Sutra Bhasya? He 
concurs 
> > > that a brahma-vid doesn't go anywhere at death. This also means 
> that 
> > > he/she does not stay anywhere. A brahma-vid is like space 
whether 
> > > inside or outside of a pot. Space as such is the same, only the 
> > > features of the pot give us a reason to distinguish space as 
> inside 
> > > or outside. to are not findable after death. Not going, not 
> staying  
> > > what is the alternative? It is not returning either. When 
> questions 
> > > about this, I heard MMY definitively deny what he called 
> > > the "bodhisattva idea". He said that the wave merging into the 
> ocean 
> > > and the wave emerging from of the ocean could not be defined as 
> the 
> > > same wave. This is very old point in MMY's knowledge base, 
older 
> than 
> > > the guru devotion story you are now repeating. 
> > > 
> > > And by the way, Maharishi's comment, could actually be a good 
> example 
> > > of a Buddhist explanation of the karmic continuity of 
personhood 
> > > across multiple lifetimes. 
> > > 
> > > Adi-Shankara did state that Ishvara could grant adhikara 
> > > (authorization) to select jivas to return to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on Yoga Sutras

2007-07-13 Thread tertonzeno

---I don't get it.  How about that young girl in Iraq who got her legs 
blown off?

 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> >> Just a gentle reminder that I find exactly the same thing out here 
> > in the "real world"- no stress, no negativity, all light and 
> > cooperation and love, just as evident here as it is anywhere else!
> > Help! I'm turning into a real "Bliss Ninny"<-- Love that term! 
LOL :-
> > )
> *lol* Yes, good point; on our travels lately all over the U.S., 
Canada, 
> and the U.K. we have been finding exactly the same thing. The 
> difference seems to be that I'm finding the qualities are 
considerably 
> more "concentrated" or "alive" in Fairfield; more people seem to be 
> more consciously participating in more intensities of the love and 
> joy :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's submersion and Guru Dev (was Re: An example of love as attachment)

2007-07-13 Thread emptybill

New morn,

Thanks for your reply and encouragement.

There seems to be much support among later advaita teachers (ie. 
after Shankara) for the idea of the sheer freedom of the fully 
liberated being from any constrainsts whatsoever. They call this 
state "videha mukti" or bodiless liberation. However there are also 
historically major advaita teachers who followed the "Yogavasishta" 
and another text called "Jivanmukti-viveka" in asserting that freedom 
means not only transcendence of individuality but also freedom of 
sheer universality. According to them, a liberated being can live 
anywhere in the universe at will. From this POV karmic results simply 
cease or dissolve away when there is no individual doer to create, 
experience or receive them. Like the actions of Krishna, Shiva or 
Deva Mata, such a universalized being plays at will throughout the 
multiverses yet is never the doer - all is done by Ishvara, the 
cosmic ruler. 

Having said this, I think we would be hard pressed to figure this one 
out on our own. Better yet - maybe we should be among those 
who "have" to ponder whether to retire or keep playing lila games 
with the other surfers of divine grace.

empty


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  
wrote:
> 
> 
> Empty, I have been catching up on your posts. I like them. 
> 
> This topic is intersting. Some cosideration: 
> 
> 1) Yogananda wrote of his teacher returning to earth plane, from his
> new role as teacher on causal planes helping other to gain 
liberation
> from casual rebirth.
> 
> 2) liberation from the cycle of birth and death, and not going
> anywhere -- that is, being omnipresent -- could be on level of (near
> around) akasha -- and still subject to rebirth in astral and casual
> planes (which is another part of yoganandas story)
> 
> 3) Some traditions -- including now TM, hold there are a number of
> states beyond BC (= Brahma-vid in your cosmo9logy?). This would 
imply
> a brahma vid could go on to some omni-present subtle body somewhere
> and continue to "work it out". 
> 
> 4) Indra and other gods are said to be titles, and various entities
> attain that title for some time, then relinquish it. And I know the
> dogma that even the gods are not fully realized, yada yada. But if
> Saraswati is a title, and some entity is currently holding that 
title,
> its seems odd that that entity would be less evolved than Brama-
vids,
> and a whole order of swamis, who are devoted to and worship the 
Goddess.
> 
> 5) While liberation from earthly, astral and casual bodies / planes 
is
> a function of getting beyond the BINDING influence of ones vast
> karma,it does not eliminate that karma. A brahma-vid still has tons 
of
> karma, its just that that karma  does not necessitate rebirth on
> corresponding planes. But where does that karma go. It doesn't
> dissappear. There is no loss or creation of energy in the cosmos --
> all is just transformed from one thing to another. 
> 
> And I can't deliver the "punchline" to this argument -- because it
> doesn't add up -- that is, I am not sure what appropriate conclusion
> follows. Other than the compelling point that it doesn't all add up.
> That karma goes some where, effects something. Could there still be 
an
> "entity" -- as omni-present and unstructured as can be --  
associated
> with, but not bound by that karma? Like a jivan mukti letting the
> "last push of the cart" unfold?
> 
> 
>  
> > Have you ever read Adi-Shankara's Brahma Sutra Bhasya? He concurs 
> > that a brahma-vid doesn't go anywhere at death. This also means 
that 
> > he/she does not stay anywhere. A brahma-vid is like space whether 
> > inside or outside of a pot. Space as such is the same, only the 
> > features of the pot give us a reason to distinguish space as 
inside 
> > or outside. to are not findable after death. Not going, not 
staying  
> > what is the alternative? It is not returning either. When 
questions 
> > about this, I heard MMY definitively deny what he called 
> > the "bodhisattva idea". He said that the wave merging into the 
ocean 
> > and the wave emerging from of the ocean could not be defined as 
the 
> > same wave. This is very old point in MMY's knowledge base, older 
than 
> > the guru devotion story you are now repeating. 
> > 
> > And by the way, Maharishi's comment, could actually be a good 
example 
> > of a Buddhist explanation of the karmic continuity of personhood 
> > across multiple lifetimes. 
> > 
> > Adi-Shankara did state that Ishvara could grant adhikara 
> > (authorization) to select jivas to return to manifestation even 
after 
> > cosmic pralaya  with the caveat that it was Ishvara who 
recollected 
> > them (their sanskaras) thus recalling them into being just as 
they 
> > were at the end of the previous mahakalpa. His point was that 
these 
> > previous adhikara-jivas (like the four kumaras) were those very 
deva-
> > rishis

[FairfieldLife] Quiet Zone Update

2007-07-13 Thread Rick Archer

Dear Quiet Zonies (as we will forever be known),

The big news is that things seem to be going very well.  I want to thank all
of you because it is your support that has brought us to the brink of
success.  Even though there is a lot more to do we are rapidly moving
towards getting a quiet zone!

   1) There was a meeting on June 26th that involved the engineers
for the City, the railroad, the special committee of the City Council that
is working on the quiet zone, and the Iowa DOT.  It seems from this initial
crossing by crossing review that every street can meet the requirements for
adding raised medians.  These medians are necessary to make the crossings
safer so the trains do not need to honk their horns.

2) French Reneker (the company that does street engineering for
Fairfield) is updating some earlier estimates they made which will then be
further refined by the special committee for presentation to City Council.
We hope to see this happen in August.  

3) Our goal is to then see the City Council vote to approve the project
subject to finalizing costs and sources of funding.  

4) What we need to do is have the money ready to deliver to the city for
the necessary improvements.

5) Current estimates indicate the the total cost will be around
$180,000.  This is a bit more than we expected but is still eminently
doable. This increase was due to the need to widen some streets and to make
the improvements permanent and maintenance free.  

6) We believe that the special quiet zone committee will recommend that
the City use the $30,000 to $60,000 it will receive from the railroad for
closing two crossings to help pay for the quiet zone.

7) So for now the goal is the same as we have been projecting--we need
to raise about $120,000 as we initially estimated we would need.

8) We have already raised the first bench mark of around $60,000 which
was the impetus for the city to take this issue seriously.

 

Now we need to ask everyone to turn in your pledges and all of you who
haven’t yet given to please donate. If everyone on our list now of almost
500 people would just give $100 and also ask friends and neighbors to help
and contribute, we can have a quiet zone. Now is the time to finalize the
funding before the August City Council meeting so there can be no excuse not
to do this simple thing to make our town a much better place to live (and
sleep!).  Send your tax deductible contributions to A.L.F. Fairfield Train
Safety and Quiet Zone, Box 2302, Fairfield, IA 52556.

 

We'll send an email to let you know when we need everyone to turn out and
show their support for the quiet zone. Thank you all for your financial and
personal support and all your ideas and suggestions.  We are close, so let's
make it happen.  

Regards, Bill Blackmore 

 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/13/07 2:20:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Apparently Moses was a real law-abiding guy. Here's how Moses  followed
> God's law:
> 
> Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the  Midianites. They kill
> all the adult males, but take the women and children  captive. When
> Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have  you
> saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones,  and
> kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all  the
> women children, that have not known a man by lying with him,  keep
> alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses  (and
> presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the  virgins.
> In this way they got 32,000 virgins.
> 
> Numbers 31:1-54  (summarized)
> 
> The abhorrent killing of women who've 'known' men and  saving the
> virgins for themselves, and killing male children prisoners  is
> something current sociopathic Christian Right freaks might like to  do
> to Muslims, but it certainly isn't US law. You're wy out in  left
> field, bwana.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> So you have something against the will of God? How about all those
that  died 
> by the will of God in the Mahabharata, or is that different? Have
you ever  
> read the Book of Esther? It deals with what could happen to a people
when the  
> will of God is not followed to the letter. God gave an order to Saul
through 
> the  prophet Samuel to kill an entire tribe of people because they
had become 
> totally  despicable. Saul allowed one pregnant woman to escape who just 
> happened to be  the queen. She gave birth to a child who started a
lineage ending in 
> Hayman who  wanted to  and almost succeeded in killing all the Jews
in the 
> Persian  empire.


Fortunately the kind of savagery you further described from the Bible
is not US law. For you to suggest that it might be tells a lot about
you, bwana.


< Well,we finally get down to the name calling,Sociopathic 
> Christian  Right Freaks. I don't know of anybody that wants to kill
all the Muslims 
> and  your suggestion there is makes you the one in left field. 


Then you're missing some of the rhetoric common on right wing websites
like the freerepublic.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/13/07 1:00:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> There  are countless sources for laws. Deuteronomy is not one of them
> for US  law.
> 
> 
> 
> the blue Laws, Sodomy, Adultery and many of our restitution laws are  
> Biblically based.


Those kinds of laws are not exclusive to Christianity.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/13/07 1:05:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> No  specific laws were created by the founding fathers that were
> specifically  based only on Christian laws.
> 
> 
> 
> "only" is the only thing you have going here. Thou shalt not Steal,
thou  
> shalt not Murder, thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not
bare False  
> witness. I'm sure these values exist within other cultures, but I
guarantee you  
> they are taught as Divine Law given to Moses by God for all men to
follow and  
> that is how our for fathers learned them. Our country also had laws
observing  
> the Sabbath,and making sodomy illegal. Many of our civil codes
regarding  
> Financial restitution are also Biblically based.


Again, those types of laws are not exclusive to Christianity.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/13/07 12:59:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> As I've  already cited, US laws are not based on Biblical  laws.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You were wrong and so were your sources. 


LOL! What a smug asshole.


> Also realize I'm not saying every  
> law we have is found in the Bible.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus