[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Twelve Disciples of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "coshlnx" wrote: > > > > > > > > --But none of these people can perform actual Siddhis. The > > > disciples > > > > of Jesus [along with Paul] performed numerous miracles > according to > > > > tradition, and some mentioned in ACTS; even raising the dead. > The > > > > most MMY's disciples can aspire to is Doug Henning's magic > tricks, > > > > not even on your list. > > > > > > > Speaking of magic tricks, I made myself disappear for good-- > That's a > > > pretty good trick, don't you think?:-) > > > > Disappear, meaning ? > > > The subsumption of the localized sense of self that every individual > soul eventually goes through. I was thinking about this process this > morning and marveling at how complete it is, and once we have grown > out of the necessity of ownership of our thoughts and actions, This is the sole criteria that you use for enlightenment? Thats a rather low bar, IMO. (high bar if you are "limboing") You have the perogative of defining enlightenment any way you want. But that is why for years I have said it the nbecomes a meaningless label, with 1000 self-labeled enlightened ones and up to 1000 definitions of enlightenment (or 2000 :)). Non ownership of thoughts and actions is evident to anyone who simple thinks about it a bit. That realization becomes then, not a thought, but a living experience, IME. For example, "Did I create this brain, these neurotransmitters, these receptors, these 1000 or so links between every neuron to others, this cognitive system of senses, memory and sensory and memory processing? Do I really even know how it works beyond a surface outline,could I repair it, could I design a better system? Do I understand how a thought forms, how it initiated? Do I have any control over the initiation of a thought? " For me since the answer is no, how could I possibly claim ownership of thoughts? Same logic train for action. Just the fact that thought proceeds many actions -- if I don't own the thought, I can't own the action. And if the action is pure reaction, with no thought, how can I possibly claim ownership of that? (There was a long post to trinity about a year and a half ago that went into more detail.) By your definition, anyone who reads this post, and ponders it for 30 seconds, will be enlightened. > So this transition is not > an artificial one, or one in which we will ever return to defining > ourselves as purely individual selves again. Same with going through the above process. >Which makes the whole > thing pretty funny-- that we as such unevolved souls here on planet > earth, place such importance and cherish this state of subsuming our > individuality to a natural state of Being, that we call > it "enlightenment". No, its what you and perhaps some friends call enlightenment. If one finds the label of "enlightenment" important or useful, to improve clarity and meaningfulness in your communications, I suggest you call it LBE -- low bar enlightenment. > I can > imagine a planet of Yogis or Buddhas or Christs somewhere and they'd > look over after I proclaimed my great achievement, kinda yawn, and > say, "Oh is that all?". lol! How could it be a great achievement -- or any achievement at all -- if you had/have no ownership of the action? >Not to minimize the reality of having > eternally found my way home, or living this boundless freedom, but > yet again recognizing that it is another step, in an infinite number > of steps. This one in fact possibly the most significant of all, > because from this point on, I am now awake to the unfolding of all > of the others. That's what I meant by disappearing for good.:-) I feel the same way when I get out of bed in the morning. Gotta take that first step in order for the other stuff in the day to unfold. Would you call betting out of bed "enlightenment" too? If so then the bedhead look must be "in".
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'The Twelve Disciples of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi'
This is a very bizarre post! Seems to be more of a fantasy Robert is having than any actual reality of MMY having disciples. --- Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Twelve Disciples of Maharishi Maheshi Yogi > > Like Jesus, Maharishi has had many followers, > Who have tried to spread his message of love and > enlighenment and bliss. > I was wondering who has been the most successful at > this: > Who will be remembered in the history books, > Who had the most influence from his teachings... > > Some who come to mind: > > John Lennon > George Harrison > Merv Griffin > John Haglen > Bevan Morris > Jerry Jarvis > Charlie Lutes > Clint Eastwood > Keith Wallace > Sri Sri Ravi Shankar > Mia Farrow > > > > - > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Twelve Disciples of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi'
"The Universe only recognizes itself.:-)" How egoistic! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, for most of us there will be no reward for all that we do, > except the reward of the work itself. No parades or TV shows or > wealth. No fame or groupies or brass plaques somewhere. Just > whatever we accomplish for ourselves, by ourselves, for ourselves. > That's it. And its no one else's fault, unless we want to set it up > that way, and impotently rage against a Universe that wasn't set up > to provide us with fame and recognition in the first place. The > Universe only recognizes itself.:-) >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Twelve Disciples of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Horseshit. > > How about a list of the 10 or 12 TM teachers > who worked their butts off in the field and > initiated hundreds and in a few cases thousands > of individuals in the TM technique, while MMY > sat on his butt surrounded by celebrities? I'm really sorry for you Turq, but chances you get included are rather low. ;-> > There are people on this forum who have done > more to spread Maharishi's "message of love and > enlightenment and bliss" than anyone you mentioned. > And what thanks did they get from the person they > worked as shills for? So why should they be awarded for deceiving people, instead of feeling guilt and shame as Empty suggests?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ETs in New Exoplanet?
> the wobble can only point to one (or very few) > explanations. Could be other things, yes. It's a mystery what other things it could be, but you are open to other possibilities, it seems. > No photo as yet, it's too far away but it will > "transit the solar > disc" or cross in front of its sun sooner or later > then by the > technique of spectroheliography we may even be able > to find out if > there is life on board. According to the wikipeda article, the planet is so close to the star that it's 'year' is only 13 earth days (huge red flag to me here), so there's been plenty of time already to observe the planet "transit the solar disc". As for finding out if there is life on board, does life require elements and temperatures similar to what we have on earth to exist? I doubt it. The assumption that that is necessary for life is yet another myopic assumption by the same scientists who are just as certain they have discovered a planet here. > Maybe you'd better send the prize to these guys. Still no proof as of yet. --- hugheshugo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > I'll claim the prize > > > > "The wobble induced on the star by each of these > > planets is really tiny-it's just a few meters a > > second." > > > > Where's the photo of the planet? All I see in the > > article is the usual theory that if the star > wobbles > > then there just must be a planet, along with an > > artist's rendition of what the "planet" might > possibly > > look like, along with a photograph of the star > that > > clearly proves today's telescopes are not capable > of > > showing anything more than a diffraction pattern > when > > it comes to resolving a star disk. > > > > --- hugheshugo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You can tell a lot about how many planets/how big > they are etc. by > how a star wobbles because the timing and frequency > of variations of > the wobble can only point to one (or very few) > explanations. > Otherwise you would have an unstable planetary > system, which is > unlikely in a 4.5 billion year old star as they > would sort out their > orbits very early. As with all science there is room > for error but > it's pretty unlikely here. > > No photo as yet, it's too far away but it will > "transit the solar > disc" or cross in front of its sun sooner or later > then by the > technique of spectroheliography we may even be able > to find out if > there is life on board. Which would be one of, if > not THE, the most > amazing discoveries ever. > > The link I gave wasn't so good but the wikipedia > entry explains a bit > about how they know it's there. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliese_581_c > > Maybe you'd better send the prize to these guys. Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Twelve Disciples of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert wrote: > > > > The Twelve Disciples of Maharishi Maheshi Yogi' > > > > Like Jesus, Maharishi has had many followers, > > Who have tried to spread his message of love and enlighenment > > and bliss. > > I was wondering who has been the most successful at this: > > Who will be remembered in the history books, > > Who had the most influence from his teachings... > > > > Some who come to mind: > > > > John Lennon > > George Harrison > > Merv Griffin > > John Haglen > > Bevan Morris > > Jerry Jarvis > > Charlie Lutes > > Clint Eastwood > > Keith Wallace > > Sri Sri Ravi Shankar > > Mia Farrow > > Horseshit. > > How about a list of the 10 or 12 TM teachers > who worked their butts off in the field and > initiated hundreds and in a few cases thousands > of individuals in the TM technique, while MMY > sat on his butt surrounded by celebrities? > > The only person on your list who I know from > personal actually *did* anything to spread > meditation on a daily, ten-to-fourteen-hour- > a-day basis was Jerry Jarvis. > > To be honest, I'm sure Bevan works at least a > four-hour day. The rest of the time is spent > eating, from all appearances. > > SSRS I know nothing about; he might actually > work hard as well. Hagelin might put in the > occasional two-hour workday for his cushy > salary. Charlie was a part-timer who, AFAIK, > never taught anyone to meditate. > > And the rest? > > They were just famous, that's all. Maharishi > used their names to market his product, that's > all. > > There are people on this forum who have done > more to spread Maharishi's "message of love and > enlightenment and bliss" than anyone you mentioned. > And what thanks did they get from the person they > worked as shills for? Most of them were declared > persona non grata when they wouldn't pay through > the nose to be "recertified" at something they'd > actually been working at decades after most of the > people you mention either stopped meditating or > stopped allowing their names to be used to sell it. > > Sounds to me, Robert, as if your priorities are > the same as Maharishi's. What "counts" in the > world of spirituality and determines one's > "disciple-worthiness" is either how famous you > are or how much money you can give him or what > you can do to help him to sell his products. > > Hard work and actually helping people by teaching > them how to meditate? That's rewarded by throwing > the people who do it out with the trash. > Yeah, for most of us there will be no reward for all that we do, except the reward of the work itself. No parades or TV shows or wealth. No fame or groupies or brass plaques somewhere. Just whatever we accomplish for ourselves, by ourselves, for ourselves. That's it. And its no one else's fault, unless we want to set it up that way, and impotently rage against a Universe that wasn't set up to provide us with fame and recognition in the first place. The Universe only recognizes itself.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Dark nights of the soul (was Re: If I were Jerry Jarvis . . .)
I've written before about a 90-day funk I underwent when I was in my early mid-thirties, during which time nothing in life held any significance whatsoever. All human beings struck me as nothing more than ambulatory shit factories. It was positively Ecclesiastical - "all is vanity and a striving after wind." http://www.readbibleonline.net/?page_id=28 After three months of this I got bored and lifted myself out, making a conscious decision to live and be happy. The Unity School of Christianity's "Daily Word" affirmative prayers were great for this business of creating my reality. The overall experience made me very open to accepting the validity of experiences such as those described below. It also made sense of those teachings that speak of the superficiality of so much of life. Nonetheless, I continue to take most of life seriously now, particularly as it regards my children. Interestingly, my 13-year-old daughter went through a similar funk last year. I need to talk to her about it, now that she seems to have emerged. For that matter, I'll bet there's a connection between Dark Night experiences and the funk of the middle school years, as the child begins to take on some of the adult's qualities of awareness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > wrote: > > > > Judy writes snipped: > > In other words: He's very clear--remarkably clear-- > > that it's not that he's suddenly realized that the > > earth is really nothing but a "congregation of > > vapours," or that other people have no more value > > than dust. He's not passing judgment on the earth > > and human beings, he's saying there's something > > wrong *with him* that he can't take pleasure in > > their magnificence. > > > > TomT: > > The inability to take pleasure from the ever changing > > relative is also another good description of the Dark > > Night of the Soul. > > Yup, that's kinda what I was getting at with the > Macbeth quote. If that's what Hamlet was > experiencing, though, he never made it to the > light. > > I suspect that at least some cases diagnosed and > treated as clinical depression are the function > of a Dark Night experience that's unrecognized as > such by both client and therapist. Goodness only > knows what antidepressant medication does to the > journey through it. > > (No, I'm not pulling a Tom Cruise! Most cases of > clinical depression are just depression, and > antidepressant medication is usually quite > effective and can be lifesaving. But those who > have been on a spiritual path might want to > consider the possibility that they're going > through a Dark Night experience.) > > Nothing in the > > relative does it anymore. NO THING. Stuck between the old mind > > habits of the relative and not quite firmly established in the > > wholeness. > > What MMY calls "Neither here nor there"... > > > > > Tough place to be. > > great read http://www.themystic.org/print/dark-night.htm > > PS Thanks for both quotes Judy. There is a nice piece in Collision > > with the Infinite where Susan Segal surmises that most of > Shakespeare > > was his attempt to live a life without and I or me. Quite well done. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Twelve Disciples of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "coshlnx" wrote: > > > > > > --But none of these people can perform actual Siddhis. The > > disciples > > > of Jesus [along with Paul] performed numerous miracles according to > > > tradition, and some mentioned in ACTS; even raising the dead. The > > > most MMY's disciples can aspire to is Doug Henning's magic tricks, > > > not even on your list. > > > > > Speaking of magic tricks, I made myself disappear for good-- That's a > > pretty good trick, don't you think?:-) > > Disappear, meaning ? > The subsumption of the localized sense of self that every individual soul eventually goes through. I was thinking about this process this morning and marveling at how complete it is, and once we have grown out of the necessity of ownership of our thoughts and actions, we continue on, every moving into greater and greater fields of freedom. I was marveling at this because just as a person needs that ownership, the sense of small "I" for a few years, once it is gone, it is gone for good. I find myself in awe of "my" innate ability to let go of anything which I once considered individual and grow towards that which is ever more expansive. So this transition is not an artificial one, or one in which we will ever return to defining ourselves as purely individual selves again. Which makes the whole thing pretty funny-- that we as such unevolved souls here on planet earth, place such importance and cherish this state of subsuming our individuality to a natural state of Being, that we call it "enlightenment". Really puts things into perspective. I can imagine a planet of Yogis or Buddhas or Christs somewhere and they'd look over after I proclaimed my great achievement, kinda yawn, and say, "Oh is that all?". lol! Not to minimize the reality of having eternally found my way home, or living this boundless freedom, but yet again recognizing that it is another step, in an infinite number of steps. This one in fact possibly the most significant of all, because from this point on, I am now awake to the unfolding of all of the others. That's what I meant by disappearing for good.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A comparison of Hogwart's School to Maharishi School of the Age of Enlighten
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Truth is stranger than fiction. > > A comparison of Hogwart's School to Maharishi School of the Age of > Enlightenment. > > Education should help one use critical thinking to distinguish from > flights of fantasy. > > http://losthorizon.org/found/Hogwarts/index.htm Nice find, but IMO fantasy is important for creative thinking. This photo http://losthorizon.org/found/Hogwarts/VedicMaster.jpg is certainly NOT pertaining to TM, but the late American Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiva_Siddhanta_Church Btw. http://losthorizon.org/found/Hogwarts/GermanyAyurVeda.jpg is 15 min from where I live.
[FairfieldLife] A Few Quotes attributed to Charlie Lutes
A Few Quotes attributed to Charlie Lutes "You have taken on the human form to gain Divine Mind through knowledge and experience in the field of combined opposites." _ "In the final analysis, there is only the spiritual." _ [To TMers] "You are the lights in this world. Just keep the light burning." _ "If I ever could be of further service to Humanity, I would." http://www.charlieandhelen.com/guestbook.html
[FairfieldLife] 'Mia Offers to Carry the Cross for Darfur'
Actress Mia Farrow Offers to Exchange Her Freedom for Darfur Rebel's Safe PassageBy Ray McDonald Washington 07 August 2007 Mia Farrow Mia Farrow has offered to relinquish her freedom so that an ailing Darfur rebel can get safe passage out of a hospital. In an August 6 letter posted on her website, the 62-year-old actress-activist made the offer to Sudan's President Omar Al-Bashir. Suleiman Jamous, a moderate who has been a key link between Darfur rebels and aid workers in the beleaguered Sudanese region, is in a U.N. hospital suffering from abdominal problems. The U.N. said he is free to leave, but he fears arrest or government reprisal. In her letter to President Al-Bashir, Farrow said "As you are undoubtedly aware, Mr. Jamous is in need of a medical procedure that cannot be carried out in Kadugli. I am therefore offering to take Mr. Jamous' place, to exchange my freedom for his, in the knowledge of his importance to the civilians of Darfur and in the conviction that he will apply his energies toward creating the just and lasting peace that the Sudanese people deserve and hope for." Mia Farrow has traveled to Darfur as a UNICEF goodwill ambassador and signed her letter with that title. Attempts to reach Sudan's Foreign Ministry spokesman on August 7 were not successful. On August 2, the Sudanese government said it would consider a separate written plea by activists and celebrities, including Farrow and South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu, to guarantee Jamous' safe passage. A leader of one of Darfur's largest rebel groups, the Sudan Liberation Army, Jamous was seized last year and transferred for medical treatment to the U.N. hospital. He has faced threats from rival rebel chiefs and some government forces. Humanitarian workers consider Jamous the leader who may best guarantee the safety of their aid convoys, which have come under attack in the area. Activists also say he could spur renewed negotiations between rebel groups and the government after last year's peace deal failed to quell the violence. UNICEF spokeswoman Kate Donovan said on August 6 that the organization was unaware of Mia Farrow's offer, and would like to consult with her before commenting. - Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dalai Lama Quote
On Aug 8, 2007, at 7:21 AM, billy jim wrote: Would any of you actually envisage yourself speaking or writing this way? Even in a philosophically oriented discussion? Given the appropriate topic, sure.
[FairfieldLife] A comparison of Hogwart's School to Maharishi School of the Age of Enlightenment
Truth is stranger than fiction. A comparison of Hogwart's School to Maharishi School of the Age of Enlightenment. Education should help one use critical thinking to distinguish from flights of fantasy. http://losthorizon.org/found/Hogwarts/index.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dalai Lama Quote
Dalai Lama states -
"The continuum of an impure substratum will later cease, not existing in
Buddhahood, whereas a pure substratum's continuum of similar type will exist
right through Buddhahood."
Would any of you actually envisage yourself speaking or writing this way?
Even in a philosophically oriented discussion? This type of Gelugpa-speak is a
mode of discourse so divorced from human experience that it has ossified into a
ideologically fixated form of thinking.
Tsongkhapa, the founder of the Dalai Lama's Gelugpa sect was quite strident
in his claim that no one can be enlightened unless they hold the position that
reality (emptiness) is a "non-affirming negation" - in other words a complete
nullity or absence. So how do we hold such a point of view? By intellectually
coming to that conclusion and then maintaining that very conclusion as an idea.
Think about that for a moment. You can't be enlightened without holding a
"thought".
For the Dalai Lama it is this thought - "Any thing that is lacks inherent
existence".
For Christians it is the thought - "Jesus is my savior".
Furthermore:
For Buddhists there is no beginning but there is an end.
For Christians there is a beginning but no end.
Amazing what antinomies our minds will construe to maintain a sense of
meaning.
kenotic bill
quantum packet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What he's saying is 180 degrees opposite to the nihilistic teachings
of Neo-Advaita.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Dalai Lama Quote
On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:02 PM, quantum packet wrote: What he's saying is 180 degrees opposite to the nihilistic teachings of Neo-Advaita. Note: forwarded message attached. And just how is yoga-tantra the opposite of Neo-advaita?
[FairfieldLife] Shakespeare (was Re: If I were Jerry Jarvis . . .)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 7, 2007, at 4:14 PM, authfriend wrote: > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Judy, I agree with your analysis below. Reminds me of my MIU > >>> second year literature course with Rhoda Orme-Johnson. > > > > That's a course I'd most likely have enjoyed a lot. > > Do you recall any nuggets from it? > > I can tell you some nuggets from mine, on American Literature. She > basically spent an inordinate amount of time bashing the 60s and all > that they stood for--what that had to do with the course I've yet to > figure out-- Just curious, somehow I feel that using the shortened version of 'have' in a construction like that is a, well, "borderline case". It's my gut feeling that ''ve' above is not a "fully- auxiliary" (yikes!) verb but functions in the "near-primary" meaning of 'have'. No need to reply, just my "tapni heipni"... ;)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Twelve Disciples of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mathatbrahman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ---But I am judging Clint Eastwood. That movie with Hillary Swank as > a boxer who had a severe concussion in a match;...well, some people > were raving about it but I couldn't stand it. Who wants to see > Hillary Swank, brain dead? > MMY and all of his disciples are only tiny blips in Spiritual > history. The true giants have yet to appear: those who also are able > to transform all relative aspects of life and create a genuine Heaven > on Earth. I am reminded of some passages of Isaiah; swords > transformed into plowshares, that kind of stuff: no crime, disease, > poverty, etc. We haven't even started yet!. Where's the real beef? "Heaven will walk on earthin this generation" - Maharishi For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Twelve Disciples of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "coshlnx" wrote: > > > > --But none of these people can perform actual Siddhis. The > disciples > > of Jesus [along with Paul] performed numerous miracles according to > > tradition, and some mentioned in ACTS; even raising the dead. The > > most MMY's disciples can aspire to is Doug Henning's magic tricks, > > not even on your list. > > > Speaking of magic tricks, I made myself disappear for good-- That's a > pretty good trick, don't you think?:-) Disappear, meaning ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Twelve Disciples of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The ones who do NOT come to mind are the ones becoming enlightened in the > two high valleys of the Himalayans. Unsung heroes the future lights are the > ones there out of the lime light. Thats right. How many years have Purusha been in the valleys above Uttarkashi now, 10 ?
