date:20090213

Any fans out there? It is all coming together in such an amazing way. My guess, 
there are no humans left, everybody is a Cylon!

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )


>> >
>>
>> "Lil Mahesh" isn't offensive to you, however...
>>
>>
>> L
>
> ;-)
>
>

--Not really anymore. I just never had the real connection to Maharishi 
that others feel. I mean, I just liked the technique. Maharishi made my mind 
chase its own tail a bit too much. I don't suppose such things like 
Aparushaya Bhasya means so much to my daily circumstances. I don't hate 
Maharishi though. I even love him. But it's not visceral.  Like once the 
Dalai Lama got sick and I worried he was gonna die and I was really worried. 
At other times I sort of wished Maharishi would finish his job here.  At 
some point a human being what they are they are going to be seen in all 
their fiery hypocracy and mental bias.  I didn't care for Maharishi trying 
to finesse tyrants and dictators. I don't care for the man on the moon 
mission statement of the local millionaire chakravartins. I think I take 
personal affront when people deride teachers who really have not had a 
sordid history. There are some, and it's because of Maharishi and other jet 
set gurus that people now are scared. They may ultimately have not served 
history well, in spite of how some gurus have opened our minds personally.

Namkhai Norbu isn't my teacher either.  Just so far as I have ever heard he 
has been integral and not making his followers all emotional. I remember 
reading lots of Nasruddin the Sufi stories when I was young and he was adept 
at keeping his devotees mentally and emotionally even tempered. For all the 
no mood making bullshit the TMO espoused they were the worst sort of sky 
pilot mood makers one could ever wish for.  But as I said in another post 
such persons comfort me. I remember a teaching I attended where one man 
hopped around from foot to foot shooting imaginary arrows and at the time I 
thought he was a kook.  But one day I was meditating and he entered my mind 
and I started laughing for like ten minutes and I thought, hey I am glad we 
had him there.

Just so that you understand my position.  I tend to hang with thugs and 
drunks and other underworld types.  I like them as they tend to be known 
quantities.  Gurus in general now make me weary, as weary as politicians and 
cops. You know, you never heard a negative Schlomo Karlebach story ever.  A 
roller skating ukulele playing hasid rabbi is not someone who is out to 
create skateparks with his logo on them. His was a simple message which 
caused little controversy and crossed all lines.  We didn't need another 
hero.  I would just rather have some simple honesty. Lots of not simple 
honesty in TMO, perhaps really worse than Hari Krishna movement, just played 
smarter by teams of Purusha MBAs.

Best just not to get me started. My TMO experience is like a bad divorce and 
yet there's still some sexual tension when we're together. Allegorically 
speaking.  Besides Maharishi's dead and nothing can touch him now.

[FairfieldLife] Bush and Rice (funi)

2009-02-13 Thread arhatafreespeech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lSmI_zsTgA

http://www.freedomofspeech.netfirms.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do You Know The Whole Truth?

2009-02-13 Thread Nelson

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Thomas"
>  wrote:
> >
> > Go to your local church and hear all about PEACE and
> > PROSPERITY, while knowing that God says in the Bible that
> > when you hear these words (lies from the pulpits), then the end
> > will come!
> > 
> > But it's not the end of the world, it's the end of an empire (and
> > neighboring nations)!  With great hope for a third of its
> > inhabitants.
> > 
> > Are you wondering what Empire?
> > 
> > For the answers to that question  and many others, including 
> > what was prophesied about it's 2008 economic collapse.
> > 
> > For those who are wanting the pure unadulterated Word, 
> > supported by a common logic approach to what is actually 
> > stated in the Bible, come get some of exactly that. 
> > 
> >  http://www.theamericannightmare.org/n-iGGG1019_ECON.html
> > 
> > Please let me know what you think.
> > 
> > Barbara
> 
> Barbara, I'm sure you're a very nice lady who wants to share her
> belief in the Bible and concern for our immortal souls. In case you
> haven't noticed, this is a rough crowd. We're just a bunch of jaded,
> overly intellectual, reprobate Buddhists, atheists and TM folk who for
> the most part don't believe in a literal interpretation of the bible,
> biblical prophecy and your downer message. Yes, the economy is a mess
> and we may well face doom as a nation. Since the end is near, make
> good use of your time by casting your net for savable souls more
> receptive to your message.
>
  Amen, and, I have serious doubt that the unadulterated word exists
in the mainstream markets.  N.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do You Know The Whole Truth?

---God's Salvation plan: (from Jack Chick)...;

God's Plan of Salvation

The Bible says there is only one way to Heaven
Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh 
unto the Father but by me." (John 14:6) 

Good works cannot save you. 

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: 
it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." 
(Ephesians 2:8-9) 

Trust Jesus Christ today! Here's what you must do: 
Admit you are a sinner. 
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" (Romans 
3:23) 

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by 
sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" 
(Romans 5:12) 

"If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word 
is not in us." (1 John 1:10) 

Be willing to turn from sin (repent). 
Jesus said: "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all 
likewise perish." (Luke 13:5) 

"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth 
all men every where to repent:" (Acts 17:30) 

Believe that Jesus Christ died for you, was buried, and rose from the 
dead. 
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that 
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting 
life." (John 3:16) 

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet 
sinners. Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8) 

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt 
believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou 
shalt be saved." (Romans 10:9) 

Through prayer, invite Jesus into your life to become your personal 
Saviour. 
"For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the 
mouth confession is made unto salvation." (Romans 10:10) 

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." 
(Romans 10:13) 

What to pray:

Dear God, I am a sinner and need forgiveness. I believe that Jesus 
Christ shed His precious blood and died for my sin. I am willing to 
turn from sin. I now invite Christ to come into my heart and life as 
my personal Saviour.  

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the 
sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" (John 1:12) 

"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things 
are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Corinthians 
5:17) 

--
--

If you have received Jesus Christ as your Saviour, as a Christian you 
should: 

Read your Bible every day to get to know Christ better. 
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not 
to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." (2 Timothy 2:15) 

"Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path." (Psalms 
119:105) 

Talk to God in prayer every day. 
"And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye 
shall receive." (Matthew 21:22) 

"Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and 
supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto 
God." (Philippians 4:6) 

Be baptized, worship, fellowship, and serve with other Christians in 
a church where Christ is preached and the Bible is the final 
authority. 
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name 
of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" (Matthew 
28:19) 

"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of 
some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see 
the day approaching." (Hebrews 10:25) 

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for 
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in 
righteousness:" (2 Timothy 3:16) 

Tell others about Christ. 
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the 
gospel to every creature." (Mark 16:15) 

"For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for 
necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the 
gospel!" (1 Corinthians 9:16) 

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of 
God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and 
also to the Greek." (Romans 1:16) 

yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Thomas"
>  wrote:
> >
> > Go to your local church and hear all about PEACE and
> > PROSPERITY, while knowing that God says in the Bible that
> > when you hear these words (lies from the pulpits), then the end
> > will come!
> > 
> > But it's not the end of the world, it's the end of an empire (and
> > neighboring nations)!  With great hope for a third of its
> > inhabitants.
> > 
> > Are you wondering what Empire?
> > 
> > For the answers to that question  and many others, including 
> > what was prophesied about it's 2008 economic collapse.
> > 
> > For those who are wanting the pure unadulterated Word, 
> > supported by a common lo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do You Know The Whole Truth?

2009-02-13 Thread raunchydog

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Thomas"
 wrote:
>
> Go to your local church and hear all about PEACE and
> PROSPERITY, while knowing that God says in the Bible that
> when you hear these words (lies from the pulpits), then the end
> will come!
> 
> But it's not the end of the world, it's the end of an empire (and
> neighboring nations)!  With great hope for a third of its
> inhabitants.
> 
> Are you wondering what Empire?
> 
> For the answers to that question  and many others, including 
> what was prophesied about it's 2008 economic collapse.
> 
> For those who are wanting the pure unadulterated Word, 
> supported by a common logic approach to what is actually 
> stated in the Bible, come get some of exactly that. 
> 
>  http://www.theamericannightmare.org/n-iGGG1019_ECON.html
> 
> Please let me know what you think.
> 
> Barbara

Barbara, I'm sure you're a very nice lady who wants to share her
belief in the Bible and concern for our immortal souls. In case you
haven't noticed, this is a rough crowd. We're just a bunch of jaded,
overly intellectual, reprobate Buddhists, atheists and TM folk who for
the most part don't believe in a literal interpretation of the bible,
biblical prophecy and your downer message. Yes, the economy is a mess
and we may well face doom as a nation. Since the end is near, make
good use of your time by casting your net for savable souls more
receptive to your message.

[FairfieldLife] Do You Know The Whole Truth?

2009-02-13 Thread Barbara Thomas

Go to your local church and hear all about PEACE and
PROSPERITY, while knowing that God says in the Bible that
when you hear these words (lies from the pulpits), then the end
will come!

But it's not the end of the world, it's the end of an empire (and
neighboring nations)!  With great hope for a third of its
inhabitants.

Are you wondering what Empire?

For the answers to that question  and many others, including 
what was prophesied about it's 2008 economic collapse.

For those who are wanting the pure unadulterated Word, 
supported by a common logic approach to what is actually 
stated in the Bible, come get some of exactly that. 

 http://www.theamericannightmare.org/n-iGGG1019_ECON.html

Please let me know what you think.

Barbara

Re: [FairfieldLife] Dutch City Fears Loss Of Porn Archive

Damn! Haven't they heard of the internet? Plenty of whack material on it for 
everybody! No archives needed! 


--- On Fri, 2/13/09, I am the eternal  wrote:

> From: I am the eternal 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Dutch City Fears Loss Of Porn Archive
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 6:34 PM
> http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_ODD_NETHERLANDS_PURLOINED_PORN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2009-02-12-12-28-57
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/at47ld
> 
> Feb 12, 1:22 PM EST
> 
> Dutch city fears loss of pornography archive
> 
> By TOBY STERLING
> Associated Press Writer
>  AMSTERDAM (AP) -- The municipal pornography archive in the
> Dutch city
> of Leeuwarden is missing and officials fear it may be gone
> for good.
> 
> Spokesman Erik Krikke of the city's historical center
> said the archive
> - which contained photos, drawings and erotic texts with a
> connection
> to the city - may have been taken home
> "accidentally" by an employee
> or visitor.
> 
> "We're hoping that someone will say 'Hey, I
> have that in my attic' and
> bring it back," he said Thursday. "No questions
> asked."
> 
> Krikke said the collection was small enough to have fit in
> a moving box.
> 
> Mayor Ferd Crone of Leeuwarden, 87 miles (140 kilometers)
> north of
> Amsterdam, told local media he had been unaware of the
> collection's
> existence and was surprised it was gone.
> 
> Krikke said the bulk of the archive had been assembled by a
> "fanatic"
> curator at the historical center, mostly during the 1960s
> and '70s.
> Items such as pictures by local photographers and artists
> would be
> difficult or impossible to replace.
> 
> The collection included a copy of the rare February 1998
> edition of
> Dutch Playboy, Krikke said. It featured girls from each of
> 11 Dutch
> cities along the route of the country's most beloved
> ice skating race,
> the Elfstedentocht. One of those girls was from Leeuwarden.
> 
> Asked whether he thought it was unusual for the town to
> have a
> pornography collection, Krikke said "yes" - and
> that made the loss
> greater.
> 
> "Actually, we don't have one anymore," he
> said.
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Sri Anandagiri with Halo

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[FairfieldLife] 'Bishop of London: Rebooting the Culture'

2009-02-13 Thread Robert


February 12, 2009Bishop of London says that redundancy is good for the soul


President Obama is among those who cannot live without their BlackBerrys. He
said recently that persuading his security services to let him keep his
smartphone had been one of the toughest diplomatic battles of his life.

The Right Rev Richard Chartres said that his diocese had been working hard to
respond to the prospect of 150,000 unemployed in London's financial sector.

"The clergy of the City of London have been in the front line of pastoral
care," he said. This was particularly true of Fiona Stewart Darling,
Bishop’s Chaplain at Canary Wharf, where the parish population is about
100,000 during the day.

At least one church in the City has had a poor take-up for its redundancy
counselling sessions, however. An evangelical church has had almost no
attendees at its lunchtime workshops on the recession. A lay member at the
church speculated that this was because redundancy carries a stigma, and
that in any case those who had been sacked were back at home with their
wives and families in the stockbroker belt.

[FairfieldLife] Dutch City Fears Loss Of Porn Archive

2009-02-13 Thread I am the eternal

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_ODD_NETHERLANDS_PURLOINED_PORN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2009-02-12-12-28-57

http://tinyurl.com/at47ld

Feb 12, 1:22 PM EST

Dutch city fears loss of pornography archive

By TOBY STERLING
Associated Press Writer
AMSTERDAM (AP) -- The municipal pornography archive in the Dutch city
of Leeuwarden is missing and officials fear it may be gone for good.

Spokesman Erik Krikke of the city's historical center said the archive
- which contained photos, drawings and erotic texts with a connection
to the city - may have been taken home "accidentally" by an employee
or visitor.

"We're hoping that someone will say 'Hey, I have that in my attic' and
bring it back," he said Thursday. "No questions asked."

Krikke said the collection was small enough to have fit in a moving box.

Mayor Ferd Crone of Leeuwarden, 87 miles (140 kilometers) north of
Amsterdam, told local media he had been unaware of the collection's
existence and was surprised it was gone.

Krikke said the bulk of the archive had been assembled by a "fanatic"
curator at the historical center, mostly during the 1960s and '70s.
Items such as pictures by local photographers and artists would be
difficult or impossible to replace.

The collection included a copy of the rare February 1998 edition of
Dutch Playboy, Krikke said. It featured girls from each of 11 Dutch
cities along the route of the country's most beloved ice skating race,
the Elfstedentocht. One of those girls was from Leeuwarden.

Asked whether he thought it was unusual for the town to have a
pornography collection, Krikke said "yes" - and that made the loss
greater.

"Actually, we don't have one anymore," he said.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  
> wrote:
> > > the US or Europe is the real deal. Mahesh even claimed he was 
> > going to  
> > > restore the kaya-kalpa regimes, but never was able to.
> 
> He certainly did just that. Obviously not available to ordinary 
> westerners.
>
i didn't write the above-- three guesses who did...

[FairfieldLife] 'Soul Loving Journey's'

2009-02-13 Thread Robert

Beyond any habit, role, gesture, or limitation,
I see the great beauty of your soul,
and reach to that place of deepest truth
so that you may know, and feel, and trust
the power of love
that is you.
 
http://art-of-being-present.lightomega.org/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  
wrote:
> > the US or Europe is the real deal. Mahesh even claimed he was 
> going to  
> > restore the kaya-kalpa regimes, but never was able to.

He certainly did just that. Obviously not available to ordinary 
westerners.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why are you here?



On Feb 13, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


ruthsimplicity wrote:

Every once in a while someone questions another person's motivations
for hanging out on FFL.  I am curious.  Why are you here?  What do  
you

get out of this place?




A laugh mostly.  But then I have a lot in common with folks here who
taught TM then walked away from it.  And especially the ones who got  
in

to other traditions.


I was contacted, via a television from the early 60's, with a  
specially constructed antenna, by JHVH-1, a wrathful space-alien God  
from some corporate sin galaxy, and told to join to Fairfield Life. I  
am the lineal descendent J.R. "Bob" Dobbs (Hail Bob!) and live for  
Slack. I just can't get enough Slack!

[FairfieldLife] The REAL Secret Behind Crop Circles



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga

On Feb 13, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

>> A lot of people have begun capitalizing off the name, reputation and
>> legend of kaya-kalpa. It's highly unlikely that any of these are
>> legitimate. There are vaidyas in India who've been looking for the
>> secret of kaya-kalpa for many years, so I doubt what's being sold in
>> the US or Europe is the real deal. Mahesh even claimed he was going  
>> to
>> restore the kaya-kalpa regimes, but never was able to.
> Joseph Kurian was the guy who was promoting it around here.  But he
> mainly talked about it and sold some teas and massage creams.  Aging  
> is
> mainly the effect of vata so if you can keep ahead of that then you  
> are
> part of the way down the road.  Chopra once said you can keep ahead of
> aging that is if you want to lead that boring of life. ;-)

Yes, he was promoting his brand of marma therapy and I was told by a  
physician who was using them that they were excellent. He also claimed  
that one day the guy just disappeared. I found his book on the subject  
unimpressive.

It does seem however that this gentleman who was supposed to be MMY's  
successor, who later withdrew, is the real deal. He's descended from  
over a hundred generations of vaidyas, back to the guy who healed  
Krishna of the arrow.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga

Vaj wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
>   
>> Vaj wrote:
>> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 There is a system of ayurveda which the name of escapes me but  
 mainly
 deals with keeping the tonification and reduction cycles properly
 maintained.  With tonification you keep the body from degenerating  
 and
 with reduction you eliminate any toxins that could create premature
 aging.  Difficult to do and many "new agers" get too hung up on the
 reduction cycle and don't do much tonification.  That won't work.   
 I'm
 just trying to remember the guy from Kerala who was in the area 10
 years
 ago promoting the system.

 
>>> Kaya-kalpa?
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>> That's it!
>> 
>
>
> A lot of people have begun capitalizing off the name, reputation and  
> legend of kaya-kalpa. It's highly unlikely that any of these are  
> legitimate. There are vaidyas in India who've been looking for the  
> secret of kaya-kalpa for many years, so I doubt what's being sold in  
> the US or Europe is the real deal. Mahesh even claimed he was going to  
> restore the kaya-kalpa regimes, but never was able to.
Joseph Kurian was the guy who was promoting it around here.  But he 
mainly talked about it and sold some teas and massage creams.  Aging is 
mainly the effect of vata so if you can keep ahead of that then you are 
part of the way down the road.  Chopra once said you can keep ahead of 
aging that is if you want to lead that boring of life. ;-)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga


bastard!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 13, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
> 
> > Vaj wrote:
> >> On Feb 13, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> There is a system of ayurveda which the name of escapes me 
but  
> >>> mainly
> >>> deals with keeping the tonification and reduction cycles 
properly
> >>> maintained.  With tonification you keep the body from 
degenerating  
> >>> and
> >>> with reduction you eliminate any toxins that could create 
premature
> >>> aging.  Difficult to do and many "new agers" get too hung up 
on the
> >>> reduction cycle and don't do much tonification.  That won't 
work.   
> >>> I'm
> >>> just trying to remember the guy from Kerala who was in the 
area 10
> >>> years
> >>> ago promoting the system.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Kaya-kalpa?
> >>
> >>
> > That's it!
> 
> 
> A lot of people have begun capitalizing off the name, reputation 
and  
> legend of kaya-kalpa. It's highly unlikely that any of these are  
> legitimate. There are vaidyas in India who've been looking for 
the  
> secret of kaya-kalpa for many years, so I doubt what's being sold 
in  
> the US or Europe is the real deal. Mahesh even claimed he was 
going to  
> restore the kaya-kalpa regimes, but never was able to.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga

the natural, anti-aging technique i have used for several years now  
involves not wearing my glasses when i look in the mirror. that way, 
the slow deterioration of my eyesight almost perfectly matches the 
increase of wrinkles on my face, creating a soft focus, and a nearly 
ageless appearance!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> There is a system of ayurveda which the name of escapes me but 
mainly 
> deals with keeping the tonification and reduction cycles properly 
> maintained.  With tonification you keep the body from degenerating 
and 
> with reduction you eliminate any toxins that could create 
premature 
> aging.  Difficult to do and many "new agers" get too hung up on 
the 
> reduction cycle and don't do much tonification.  That won't work.  
I'm 
> just trying to remember the guy from Kerala who was in the area 10 
years 
> ago promoting the system.
> 
> John wrote:
> > Yogananda was referring to a person by the name of Babaji, as I 
> > recall.  It appears that certain guru traditions in India are 
still 
> > perpetuating this legend for one reason or the other.
> >
> > For me, this story is telling me that there are natural ways to 
> > lengthen one's health and longevity, which are diametrically 
opposed 
> > to the current allopathic practices today.  Although our society 
has 
> > advanced in technological terms, it has forgotten how to live 
like a 
> > human being.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
> >  wrote:
> >   
> >> i recall in Autobiography of a Yogi, Yogananda mentions a saint 
> >> 
> > living 
> >   
> >> in the himalayas who is 1,000's of years old as well. there is 
also 
> >> mention of a saint who was about 350 years old, though i don't 
> >> 
> > recall 
> >   
> >> where i read about him. even Tat Wala Baba, who was 
assassinated at 
> >> the age of 80 or so was said to look only about 35.
> >>
> >> i am ok with going when i go, though it is remarkable these 
stories 
> >> 
> > of 
> >   
> >> those who come to earth with the express purpose of showing us 
that 
> >> even human life need not be as short as it commonly is. 
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> To All:
> >>>
> >>> According to certain vedic texts, an adept in yoga can live 
> >>>   
> > forever 
> >   
> >> by 
> >> 
> >>> controlling the inhalation and exhalation of the breath.  One 
of 
> >>> Ramachandra's descendant by the name of Maru, who was born 
> >>>   
> > thousands 
> >   
> >> of 
> >> 
> >>> years ago, is supposedly still alive today and is living 
> >>>   
> > somewhere 
> >   
> >> in 
> >> 
> >>> India.  According to the text, he will revive the lineage of 
the 
> >>>   
> > Sun 
> >   
> >>> dynasty sometime in the future.
> >>>
> >>> JR
> >>>
> >>>   
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga

On Feb 13, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

> Vaj wrote:
>> On Feb 13, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>>
>>
>>> There is a system of ayurveda which the name of escapes me but  
>>> mainly
>>> deals with keeping the tonification and reduction cycles properly
>>> maintained.  With tonification you keep the body from degenerating  
>>> and
>>> with reduction you eliminate any toxins that could create premature
>>> aging.  Difficult to do and many "new agers" get too hung up on the
>>> reduction cycle and don't do much tonification.  That won't work.   
>>> I'm
>>> just trying to remember the guy from Kerala who was in the area 10
>>> years
>>> ago promoting the system.
>>>
>>
>> Kaya-kalpa?
>>
>>
> That's it!

A lot of people have begun capitalizing off the name, reputation and  
legend of kaya-kalpa. It's highly unlikely that any of these are  
legitimate. There are vaidyas in India who've been looking for the  
secret of kaya-kalpa for many years, so I doubt what's being sold in  
the US or Europe is the real deal. Mahesh even claimed he was going to  
restore the kaya-kalpa regimes, but never was able to.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why are you here?

ruthsimplicity wrote:
> Every once in a while someone questions another person's motivations
> for hanging out on FFL.  I am curious.  Why are you here?  What do you
> get out of this place?  
>
>
>   
A laugh mostly.  But then I have a lot in common with folks here who 
taught TM then walked away from it.  And especially the ones who got in 
to other traditions.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga

Vaj wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
>   
>> There is a system of ayurveda which the name of escapes me but mainly
>> deals with keeping the tonification and reduction cycles properly
>> maintained.  With tonification you keep the body from degenerating and
>> with reduction you eliminate any toxins that could create premature
>> aging.  Difficult to do and many "new agers" get too hung up on the
>> reduction cycle and don't do much tonification.  That won't work.  I'm
>> just trying to remember the guy from Kerala who was in the area 10  
>> years
>> ago promoting the system.
>> 
>
> Kaya-kalpa?
>
>   
That's it!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga


On Feb 13, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

> There is a system of ayurveda which the name of escapes me but mainly
> deals with keeping the tonification and reduction cycles properly
> maintained.  With tonification you keep the body from degenerating and
> with reduction you eliminate any toxins that could create premature
> aging.  Difficult to do and many "new agers" get too hung up on the
> reduction cycle and don't do much tonification.  That won't work.  I'm
> just trying to remember the guy from Kerala who was in the area 10  
> years
> ago promoting the system.

Kaya-kalpa?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga

2009-02-13 Thread Alex Stanley

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
[snip]
> > One of Ramachandra's descendant by the name of Maru, who 
> > was born thousands of years ago, is supposedly still alive 
> > today and is living somewhere in India. 
> 
> Actually, this part is true. Maru lives in a remote 
> cave in the Himalayas with Maitreya (yes, Nabby's 
> Maitreya), where the two of them have a fairly bitch-
> slap-meets-bitch-slap homosexual relationship. Their 
> spats can be heard from miles away, as can their 
> lovemaking when they run out of K-Y lubricant.
>
> > According to the text, he will revive the lineage of the 
> > Sun dynasty sometime in the future.
> 
> And then *everyone* is going to have to invest in K-Y
> lubricant. The resulting era will be known as the 
> Sun Buggery Yuga, or the Age of Enlightened Bendover. :-)

K-Y has all the lubricity of contact cement. With any luck, Jesus will
return and bring the Gospel of Astroglide for all mankind. 

[snip] 
> Jai and away...

I think "Jai, Jai, and away" sounds better.

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

2009-02-13 Thread sparaig

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>  
> > "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -Hunter S. Thompson
> 
> 
> Agreed, and Vaj is a pro Maharishi basher. 
> 
> Why I do not know. Perhaps it is the success of the TMO from within 
> the Buddhist monestaries in Thailand that got him going, perhaps he 
> receives a salary, or perhaps the general rise of the Age of 
> Enlightenment simply makes him feel uncomfortable, not being able to 
> adjust to the new incoming energies. 
> 
> I suppose the reality that Maharishi predicted "Heaven will walk on 
> earth in this generation" and that Maitreya is about to start His 
> open mission is enough to drive any "Buddhist" crazy as they claim He 
> will not be reborn in another 50.000 years.
> 
> When the going gets weird, Vaj turns weirder.
>

/me blinks slowly and moves on...


L.

[FairfieldLife] Vlasov billiards

http://www.dynamical-systems.org/vlasov/index.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga

nablusoss1008 wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>   
>> Actually, this part is true. Maru lives in a remote 
>> cave in the Himalayas with Maitreya (yes, Nabby's 
>> Maitreya),
>> 
>
> Wrong again.
> Maitreya left the Himalayas in 1977 and is now living in the indian 
> community of London.
>
>
>   
Is he running an Indian grocery or smoke shop?  :-D

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga

There is a system of ayurveda which the name of escapes me but mainly 
deals with keeping the tonification and reduction cycles properly 
maintained.  With tonification you keep the body from degenerating and 
with reduction you eliminate any toxins that could create premature 
aging.  Difficult to do and many "new agers" get too hung up on the 
reduction cycle and don't do much tonification.  That won't work.  I'm 
just trying to remember the guy from Kerala who was in the area 10 years 
ago promoting the system.

John wrote:
> Yogananda was referring to a person by the name of Babaji, as I 
> recall.  It appears that certain guru traditions in India are still 
> perpetuating this legend for one reason or the other.
>
> For me, this story is telling me that there are natural ways to 
> lengthen one's health and longevity, which are diametrically opposed 
> to the current allopathic practices today.  Although our society has 
> advanced in technological terms, it has forgotten how to live like a 
> human being.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
>  wrote:
>   
>> i recall in Autobiography of a Yogi, Yogananda mentions a saint 
>> 
> living 
>   
>> in the himalayas who is 1,000's of years old as well. there is also 
>> mention of a saint who was about 350 years old, though i don't 
>> 
> recall 
>   
>> where i read about him. even Tat Wala Baba, who was assassinated at 
>> the age of 80 or so was said to look only about 35.
>>
>> i am ok with going when i go, though it is remarkable these stories 
>> 
> of 
>   
>> those who come to earth with the express purpose of showing us that 
>> even human life need not be as short as it commonly is. 
>>
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>> 
>>> To All:
>>>
>>> According to certain vedic texts, an adept in yoga can live 
>>>   
> forever 
>   
>> by 
>> 
>>> controlling the inhalation and exhalation of the breath.  One of 
>>> Ramachandra's descendant by the name of Maru, who was born 
>>>   
> thousands 
>   
>> of 
>> 
>>> years ago, is supposedly still alive today and is living 
>>>   
> somewhere 
>   
>> in 
>> 
>>> India.  According to the text, he will revive the lineage of the 
>>>   
> Sun 
>   
>>> dynasty sometime in the future.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>>   
>
>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  wrote:


> As for many of you others, I don't know you, I only know your words, 
and 
> > when you insult my guru you are inviting me to leave this place. 
Again. 
> > Cause I won't abide it.
> >
> 
> "Lil Mahesh" isn't offensive to you, however...
> 
> 
> L

;-)

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
 
> "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -Hunter S. Thompson


Agreed, and Vaj is a pro Maharishi basher. 

Why I do not know. Perhaps it is the success of the TMO from within 
the Buddhist monestaries in Thailand that got him going, perhaps he 
receives a salary, or perhaps the general rise of the Age of 
Enlightenment simply makes him feel uncomfortable, not being able to 
adjust to the new incoming energies. 

I suppose the reality that Maharishi predicted "Heaven will walk on 
earth in this generation" and that Maitreya is about to start His 
open mission is enough to drive any "Buddhist" crazy as they claim He 
will not be reborn in another 50.000 years.

When the going gets weird, Vaj turns weirder.

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

2009-02-13 Thread sparaig

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  wrote:
>
> 
> >  Clearly, Vaj is trying to compensate for the mediocre results of
> > his Garab Dorje/Norbu program by making false and twisted claims
> > about the programs which really do work.
> 
> 
> --I just outright object on the principle of guru bashing as a bad 
> practice altogether. Please stop it now. I can offer no threat to make my 
> words sink in but I accept these words above as proof that ignorance itself 
> is its own pay back. To read the absurdities in the whole stinking topic and 
> the offended outcries is like taking barf for oatmeal. So few people here 
> have any real appreciateion of anything. I mean, there are some here who can 
> appreciate things. But then so many also seem like Christian Puritans. What 
> the hell is all this blather proving exactly. Leave Namkhai Norbu's name 
> entirely out of this  discussion please. You offend others than just Vaj. 
> Insult Garab Dorge, insult your own very essence. How low idiotic is that?
> 
> There is no conceivable difference between Advaita and Dzogchen since 
> neither deals with a conceptual state. All we have are footprints, and some 
> notes from some few interested practitioners. No other's opinions have any 
> bearing on anything. The intellectual trappings of each system in each 
> system try to be overcome from within and they are not always successful. 
> While some people here have excellent grasp of many systems I have yet to 
> see anyone who has synthesized and become intregral.  Able to understand ALL 
> the teachings. Without bullshit and name calling and negative insinuation, 
> as if someone who does one path or another is a whore or something.  Frankly 
> I have known some nicer whores that some of you here, but that's just 
> neither here nor there really. Some men and women learn compassion faster 
> and give more on their backs then some give on their meditation cushions. 
> And subsequent actions.
> 
> Of course I'm nobody to talk as I was a stupid TM freak myself for quite a 
> long time and yet it was that fact that showed me that TMO was going the way 
> of fertilizer. I am sure it won't surprise anyone here that I stand up for 
> Vaj's intellectual rigor as I know that he knows more than most of you, 
> since he has been around for a long very long time and known many gurus. You 
> all really have no idea who he is at all.
> 
> As for many of you others, I don't know you, I only know your words, and 
> when you insult my guru you are inviting me to leave this place. Again. 
> Cause I won't abide it.
>

"Lil Mahesh" isn't offensive to you, however...


L

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  wrote:

> 
> This was enough fun at FFLife for me for one day.  

And I don't even have a 
> life.

Obviously, we know that already. Otherwise, why would you invite your 
religious, fanatic, obsessed and professional brother Vaj to FFL; 
because you had nothing better to do ;-)

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11  
wrote:
>
> you think your buddy Vaj is pure as the driven snow, eh? look a 
> little closer. that's yellow snow, bub.

HeHe :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>> 
> Actually, this part is true. Maru lives in a remote 
> cave in the Himalayas with Maitreya (yes, Nabby's 
> Maitreya),

Wrong again.
Maitreya left the Himalayas in 1977 and is now living in the indian 
community of London.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga

yes, Babaji is the name i recall, now that you mention it.

interesting you bring up the technology angle. i have been thinking 
lately how technology makes us all sidhas in a way-- ability to fly, 
supernormal hearing, sight and speech, omniscience (well wikipedia, 
anyway), etc, but without the requisite development of expanded 
awareness, it leads to mundane applications at best (American Idol, 
internet porn) and accelerated extinction at worst (global warming, 
nuclear war, toxic food and water, super bacteria, etc.).

also interesting that just as technology began to expand through 
time and space beyond our ability to control it, that the Maharishi 
brought out TM. as if the innate intelligence of the universe saw 
that an appropriate balance of consciousness vs action was needed in 
order for us to handle the acceleration of living resulting from the 
technological explosion we find ourselves in the middle of.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> Yogananda was referring to a person by the name of Babaji, as I 
> recall.  It appears that certain guru traditions in India are 
still 
> perpetuating this legend for one reason or the other.
> 
> For me, this story is telling me that there are natural ways to 
> lengthen one's health and longevity, which are diametrically 
opposed 
> to the current allopathic practices today.  Although our society 
has 
> advanced in technological terms, it has forgotten how to live like 
a 
> human being.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
>  wrote:
> >
> > i recall in Autobiography of a Yogi, Yogananda mentions a saint 
> living 
> > in the himalayas who is 1,000's of years old as well. there is 
also 
> > mention of a saint who was about 350 years old, though i don't 
> recall 
> > where i read about him. even Tat Wala Baba, who was assassinated 
at 
> > the age of 80 or so was said to look only about 35.
> > 
> > i am ok with going when i go, though it is remarkable these 
stories 
> of 
> > those who come to earth with the express purpose of showing us 
that 
> > even human life need not be as short as it commonly is. 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > To All:
> > > 
> > > According to certain vedic texts, an adept in yoga can live 
> forever 
> > by 
> > > controlling the inhalation and exhalation of the breath.  One 
of 
> > > Ramachandra's descendant by the name of Maru, who was born 
> thousands 
> > of 
> > > years ago, is supposedly still alive today and is living 
> somewhere 
> > in 
> > > India.  According to the text, he will revive the lineage of 
the 
> Sun 
> > > dynasty sometime in the future.
> > > 
> > > JR
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga



On Feb 13, 2009, at 1:51 PM, John wrote:


Yogananda was referring to a person by the name of Babaji, as I
recall.  It appears that certain guru traditions in India are still
perpetuating this legend for one reason or the other.

For me, this story is telling me that there are natural ways to
lengthen one's health and longevity, which are diametrically opposed
to the current allopathic practices today.  Although our society has
advanced in technological terms, it has forgotten how to live like a
human being.



Long-life practices of the Hindu and Buddhist tantras do exist, are  
still taught and they do work, but they are not necessarily opposed  
to allopathic medicine at all. Their mechanism is primarily yogic and  
although they do combine with the practice of certain rasayanas,  
there's no reason that I'm aware of to discontinue allopathic  
medicines while taking them. In fact I know several people who've  
done the practices while undergoing chemotherapy and radiation therapy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga

2009-02-13 Thread John

We welcome your comments about these matters, Barry.  You provide the 
opposite end of the argument.  So, it keeps everybody honest and 
thinking.

Personally, I believe that these stories are written in symbolic 
codes, aside from the apparent drift of the story.  One has to 
interpret the meaning of these symbols in order to understand the 
true message.  The interpretations may vary for us now.  But the 
ancient writers may have intended them that way.

Some guru traditions interpret the stories literally.  There are 
others who don't.






  





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > To All:
> > 
> > According to certain vedic texts, an adept in yoga can live 
> > forever by controlling the inhalation and exhalation of the 
> > breath.  
> 
> Given the Post Count mechanism screwup, I'm not
> completely sure but I think that this is my
> last post of the week. And, as such, it would
> probably behoove me to say something intelligent
> and uplifting in response to one of our more
> thoughtful members here. 
> 
> Instead, I'm going to respond to John again. 
> 
> So John, might I propose a "commentary" to your
> brilliant observation on the "vedic texts" above?
> 
> The entirety of my commentary is, "Well, duh."
> 
> If I could control the inhalation and exhalation
> of my breath by keeping them going, I could live 
> forever, too. So could you. There ain't no "adept"
> or "yoga" in the equation at all.  :-)
> 
> Well, duh.
> 
> > One of Ramachandra's descendant by the name of Maru, who 
> > was born thousands of years ago, is supposedly still alive 
> > today and is living somewhere in India. 
> 
> Actually, this part is true. Maru lives in a remote 
> cave in the Himalayas with Maitreya (yes, Nabby's 
> Maitreya), where the two of them have a fairly bitch-
> slap-meets-bitch-slap homosexual relationship. Their 
> spats can be heard from miles away, as can their 
> lovemaking when they run out of K-Y lubricant.
> 
> > According to the text, he will revive the lineage of the 
> > Sun dynasty sometime in the future.
> 
> And then *everyone* is going to have to invest in K-Y
> lubricant. The resulting era will be known as the 
> Sun Buggery Yuga, or the Age of Enlightened Bendover. :-)
> 
> I'm just funnin' wit ya, John, to see if you've got a 
> sense of humor about all of this. I would suggest that
> if you don't, you should probably work on that.
> 
> I *understand* that you probably wrote your post out
> of a desire to inspire others here with the same sense
> of awe and wonder that you felt when reading this fairy
> story (so to speak), and there are probably a few folks
> here who will feel that same sense of awe and wonder. 
> You had them at "According to certain vedic texts." 
> 
> Say that magic phrase and some are willing to throw 
> common sense out the window and believe anything that
> follows without question. They are willing to believe
> stories about living forever, about monkey men leaping 
> from India to Sri Lanka, about big blue chauffeurs 
> getting to decide who lives and who dies, about green 
> flowing soma, and about cows. Lots and lots of stories
> about cows. 
> 
> But others of us here -- I would suggest many of them
> firmly still in the "I like TM and continue to practice
> it no matter what" camp -- seem to be able to view these
> fairy tales *as* fairy tales, and enjoy them as such,
> without feeling the need to believe them as literal fact.
> 
> You seem to feel the need to believe them as literal
> fact, the same way that Jim Jim (what *is* it about guys
> from the South with two first names like Jim Bob or 
> Bubba Sue, anyway?) seems to believe that the Bible is
> literal fact. 
> 
> So I'm going to pose a few questions to you. You may
> answer them or not, as you see fit, but I've really just
> got to ask, because I find your position in all of this
> as curious as Jim Jim's.
> 
> First, do you really *believe* that one of Ramachandra's 
> descendents named Maru is still alive and kicking today 
> and living somewhere in India?
> 
> If so, what makes you believe this? 
> 
> Have you seen any *other* examples of people living forever? 
> 
> If this guy pulled off living forever by being an "adept 
> in yoga" and Maharishi (obviously) didn't, does that make 
> Maharishi *less* than an "adept in yoga?" 
> 
> What is the *value* of living forever?  ( To the world, 
> that is. I can imagine that if one is ego-bound enough 
> to *want* to live forever it has a value to the self. )
> 
> If you were secretly given the location of Ramachandra's
> descendent, and were to go see him, would you believe the
> things he told you just because he said them, and he's
> so freakin' old? ( I mean, Roger Moore just turned 80,
> but I don't see him as any font of eternal wisdom, even
> if he did play James Bond for a while. )
> 
> If you were to go to see Ramachandra's descendent and the
> first thing he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga

2009-02-13 Thread John

Yogananda was referring to a person by the name of Babaji, as I 
recall.  It appears that certain guru traditions in India are still 
perpetuating this legend for one reason or the other.

For me, this story is telling me that there are natural ways to 
lengthen one's health and longevity, which are diametrically opposed 
to the current allopathic practices today.  Although our society has 
advanced in technological terms, it has forgotten how to live like a 
human being.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
 wrote:
>
> i recall in Autobiography of a Yogi, Yogananda mentions a saint 
living 
> in the himalayas who is 1,000's of years old as well. there is also 
> mention of a saint who was about 350 years old, though i don't 
recall 
> where i read about him. even Tat Wala Baba, who was assassinated at 
> the age of 80 or so was said to look only about 35.
> 
> i am ok with going when i go, though it is remarkable these stories 
of 
> those who come to earth with the express purpose of showing us that 
> even human life need not be as short as it commonly is. 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > To All:
> > 
> > According to certain vedic texts, an adept in yoga can live 
forever 
> by 
> > controlling the inhalation and exhalation of the breath.  One of 
> > Ramachandra's descendant by the name of Maru, who was born 
thousands 
> of 
> > years ago, is supposedly still alive today and is living 
somewhere 
> in 
> > India.  According to the text, he will revive the lineage of the 
Sun 
> > dynasty sometime in the future.
> > 
> > JR
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )


> And, you've got some chops, ya know?  You can sling the lingo, and
> that's a rare treat here.  You're not parroting in an empty fashion; I
> get the history behind your usage -- you know a lot about the roots of
> these mystical concepts.  Like Vaj's stuff, your stuff doesn't always
> ring my chimes, but I'm always interested in your clockworks even if
> the fine print thereof starts my eyes a'blurrin' and I get tizzied
> with the flurry of memes you're juggling.
>
> 'Course, the opposite of all the above is true too, cuz you're an
> artist who uses his full palette.
>
> Edg
>

Ah gosh! Break out the whiskey. This is a glass clinking moment, Edge.

I have three parrots. That saying about parroting something is pretty fake 
since they aren't really as great copycats as the Alex Greys would have you 
believe. No, for being perfect copycats there's nobody like a pundit 
(pandita). Real parroting (parrots in action) is about sex and alpha 
dominance. So I guess I am saying that people who parrot are really about 
sex and dominance.

Being less dominator and more masochist I suppose I open up a bit more to 
others. I'm just kidding about leaving, over people's comments anyway. I 
usually leave when I can't keep up, get it up for FFLife any longer.

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

Ah! No mind, no mind.

--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Vaj  wrote:
From: Vaj 
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of  
Patanjali's 8 limbs )
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 10:20 AM

No, a dessert topping.
On Feb 13, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Peter wrote:
Dzogchen? Isn't that a breath mint?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why are you here?

2009-02-13 Thread Sal Sunshine


On Feb 13, 2009, at 10:24 AM, ruthsimplicity wrote:


Every once in a while someone questions another person's motivations
for hanging out on FFL.  I am curious.  Why are you here?  What do you
get out of this place?


I'm here because much of the time it's fun
and gives me an opportunity to reconnect
with some old friends, make some new ones,
and bash the TMO...and frankly, I can't
think of a worthier endeavor. :)

What do I get out of it?  Besides a
headache, you mean?

Sal

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

2009-02-13 Thread Duveyoung

"Kirk" wrote: when you insult my guru you are inviting me to leave
this place. Again.  Cause I won't abide it.

Kirk,

Dude, you know better than most that the trolls are always with us.

Every time you've returned here, my spirit notched into a higher gear.

Cognitively, you've scattered your identity across many spectrums,
and, so, often I'm not "there" for you, but energy-wise, you've
presented something that all we FFL stuffy-heads need -- you have
passions. Ya perks up da denizens here.  Don't leave the good 'uns
here just to turn your back on the nutzoids.

The trolls always are taking pot shots at anyone who's as vulnerable
as you are, but that's the deal here -- you come to test your ability
to be vulnerable and to find that this sort of practice deepens it.

Some of my best moments of personal evolution here are when I don't
reply to someone.  To simply drop the angst from my side can be such a
relief from that well-known Internet dynamic of "Someone's wrong
online and I must correct the bastard."

And, you've got some chops, ya know?  You can sling the lingo, and
that's a rare treat here.  You're not parroting in an empty fashion; I
get the history behind your usage -- you know a lot about the roots of
these mystical concepts.  Like Vaj's stuff, your stuff doesn't always
ring my chimes, but I'm always interested in your clockworks even if
the fine print thereof starts my eyes a'blurrin' and I get tizzied
with the flurry of memes you're juggling. 

'Course, the opposite of all the above is true too, cuz you're an
artist who uses his full palette. 

Edg

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why are you here?

I'm emoting remotely. To the aethers, hoping someone will phone.

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

I just can't buy into that. I find the idea of actually having a honest 
historical picture of various spiritual orgs, whether it be the Catholic 
church, Shambhala International, Inc. or the TM Org fascinating because the 
truth is stranger than the fiction. At least that's been my experience.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -Hunter S. Thompson


Uh, having had this sort of roundtable discussion for a long time many 
of us are of the mind that since religions and their followings, including 
ourselves, are inhabited by beings who are somehow needy, that they all 
therefore are basically whack (neurotic) at the outset, so all religious groups 
will be even more trying and tiresome than ones own family. 

I mean, I don't really have any agenda at FFLife so much but to emote and hear 
some familiar voices of spiritual people so we are maybe here for same reasons, 
maybe different. At any rate Vaj, you have done much to increase the spiritual 
vocabulary here. I personally at this late date try not to dunk Maharishi since 
that would be tantamount to declaring myself a total idiot, since I spent so 
much time involved in it and liking it. 

I said all I ever needed to when I freaked out about TMO and posted my diatribe 
on AMT. I was also such a vocal opponent of Maharishi in his last years.  
Though I don't do TM anymore I still was born out of it anew. I later forgave 
what I felt of Maharishi's shortcomings instead marvelling that at least one 
human was loudly making some noise for some sort of positive -through mystical- 
change. In my mind I remember talking to George Harrison about Maharishi and 
the set lights outside looked like the foam spray off of a waterfall as it 
shown down through a slice in the the paper darkened movie set behind him and 
he was holding his long sandalwood mala and so now I am flashing on Maharishi, 
a waterfall, a sandalwood mala, a beatle, a pure and powerful mystical time on 
Earth. that's what Maharishi meant. A beam of Jaya Guru Deva off into deep 
space thanks to NASA. Even Jesus didn't get that. What M means to me now. He 
was something like the LSD trials

But lately though I am just thankful for any spiritual people of mystical 
pursuasions anywhere to talk to. They being very rare in this world. The early 
Eastern gurus burning up alot of freely given  Western good will as they have 
done.

So I am wasting time helplessly unable to get my day started. But here goes. 

Personally though I see no hope for the blending of science and spirituality 
and in fact it can only lead to disaster through bigotry. This was my main 
problem with Hindutva in general, the fascism. Thus my joining Vajra clan. 
Buddhists cannot be fascist. It is not allowed. It is not a possibility. Of 
course they can be bigoted and opinionated, but not fascist.

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )


Well, actually it's a dessert topping and a floor polish.

So you're partially correct.

On Feb 13, 2009, at 10:24 AM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:


i thought it was a dog turd, but whatever, different strokes, right?:)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:


No, a dessert topping.

On Feb 13, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Peter wrote:


Dzogchen? Isn't that a breath mint?

[FairfieldLife] Why are you here?

2009-02-13 Thread ruthsimplicity

Every once in a while someone questions another person's motivations
for hanging out on FFL.  I am curious.  Why are you here?  What do you
get out of this place?

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

2009-02-13 Thread ruthsimplicity

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> ---Yes, Vaj seems to be suffering from some type of mental 
> aberration, at least in the sense of some engrams from the 
> past "forcing" him into this bizarre behavior.  I can see people 
> dissing MMY, TM, etc; a few times, but I can't fathom why one would 
> continue with this behavior day after day, for years.
>  Though I favor TM, I've long ago grown to accept the fact that 
> people have different preferences for various techniques, or no 
> technique at all. 
>  Take the people I work with: attorneys, quite intelligent in the 
> brains department but not a single one of them is in the least bit 
> interested in nondualist Dharma. And I have no desire to tell any of 
> them about TM, mindfulness, etc.
>  Basically, I don't give a crap whether people practice TM, 
> mindfulness, or stand on their heads.
>  The fact that Vaj is so obsessive about dissing MMY and TM is indeed 
> a case-study in a class for abnormal psychology. Bizarre!


Why are people so insistent on "diagnosing" those they tend to agree
with on this forum?  Mindreading is a favorite occupation.   Several
times I have disclosed my motivations for hanging around here.  Curtis
has disclosed his motivations.  Beyond that, who knows why any one of
us participates?  If you are curious, ask.

[FairfieldLife] Analysis: Stimulus won't jump-start economy

2009-02-13 Thread Mike Dixon



Article Title: 
Analysis: Stimulus won't jump-start economy

To view the contents on www.indystar.com, go to: 
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090213/NEWS05/902130390

You have been sent an online news article from Mike Dixon as a courtesy of 
indystar.com.

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )



On Feb 13, 2009, at 9:27 AM, Kirk wrote:




a good friend of mine just began TM and already he has transcended
all of this surface-y stuff that Vaj talks about.

i ask Vaj again- what are you doing here on FFL?




I invited Vaj here about two years ago as I became interested in  
dzogchen

and I wanted someone here who could support me. I didn't care for the
gangland jumping in ceremony that goes on here amongst all the  
separate
cults. Of course I needed someone on my side, so that's where he  
came from.
As to why he remained, he obviously likes you guys and likes it  
here and he
feels that he is educating you people. For instance, two years ago  
not a
single person here had even heard of Dzogchen, and now people talk  
about
rainbow bodies like it's a done deal. See, Vaj has had a profound  
effect.
Certainly probably more profound to most than Share Intl or  
Scientology, or
triple distilled preboiled virgin water from Mars. Anyone who  
speaks at all
to the essence of the bodhisattva intention for liberating all  
beings is

only doing good, whether others are able to perceive that or not.

I personally am more sorry for what he puts up with here than what  
he puts
out. But that is his choice to remain.  You know, every ceremony I  
have ever
been at has screaming babies somewhere in the audience. No, I am  
not talking
about Vaj. I am talking about those of you who have no capacity to  
control
your mind and who always act according to habit and emotional  
turmoil. You
guys might TM yourselves to Brahmaloka but, well, but, actually,  
good luck
to you all.  Good luck. Maharishi always spoke of 'merit' and  
deserving
power being the real cause of liberation or not. None of this  
interflensing

is going to be helping anyone very much. Now or ever.



Thanks Kirk.

It's funny, whenever someone brings up a topic and I comment  
honestly--not based on image or a publicity--this truth seems to  
rankle some who hold onto the image. I think we should try to see our  
teachers and practices as they really are and that may vary from how  
they are hyped or advertised.


You see the same thing whenever Paul Mason or John Knapp post here.  
Because their descriptions vary from the airbrushed image and the  
sales brochure people just fly off the handle. It's as if painting a  
true and honest picture must be resisted at all costs. We must keep  
the illusion going.


I just can't buy into that. I find the idea of actually having a  
honest historical picture of various spiritual orgs, whether it be  
the Catholic church, Shambhala International, Inc. or the TM Org  
fascinating because the truth is stranger than the fiction. At least  
that's been my experience.


"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -Hunter S. Thompson

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

i thought it was a dog turd, but whatever, different strokes, right?:)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> No, a dessert topping.
> 
> On Feb 13, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Peter wrote:
> 
> > Dzogchen? Isn't that a breath mint?
>

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

a gangbang on Vaj? that's rich. howabout people here are just fed up 
with his arrogance and pinning all of his woes on the Maharishi? how 
about people calling it like it is. 

as for knowledge of the various schools of Buddhism, there are 
several here who know and have experienced far more than the fellow 
with the Vaj name. he is no teacher, believe me. he is a guy with 
issues and a funny name who quotes a lot of stuff in order to 
continue to hide in his tower of fundamentalist thought.

wake up Kirk. you are a heartful guy, but you have conveniently 
closed your eyes to believe in a dream that is just that. yes, you 
are whining and a hypocrite. 

Vaj goes on and on and on, every single week, nearly daily, here for 
the two years you say he has been here; mishy mashy mahesh varma 
this and mishy mashy mahesh varma that, and at least six of us here 
start calling him on his bullshit, and all of of sudden you are 
whining and wringing your hands. as Barry would say, grow the fuck 
up. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  
wrote:
>
> No actually there was clearly a gangbang on Vaj this morning and I 
find it 
> somehow shallow. It's especially shallow to utilize any supposed 
guru or 
> master to make some tawdry and inconsequential point. The poster 
cannot know 
> the results of Norbu or of Garab Dorge as his words show that he 
felt they 
> didn't work. That's a personal decision and one I hope he 
unlearns. Dzogchen 
> is not a thing. It will never be explained to anyone. You pick it 
up by 
> grace of the Dakini or your pass it by.
> 
> There are some other systems which have been very much like 
Dzogchen in the 
> distant past, but Sri Devi cults are perhaps the closest Hindu 
thing. Having 
> a flowing and expanded Brahman awareness is what one is trying to 
also 
> accomplish in Dzogchen, but it has ethical and epistimological 
variations 
> from other systems as it will by nature. TM is somehow loosely 
related to 
> Dzogchen at the outset by virtue of taking an angle of 
effortlessness. From 
> where is the charm to make anything effortless? This is what one 
should be 
> asking, and hopefully finding. I feel fortunate that I knew enough 
to 
> research and find Shakti within, shakti without, clear mental 
aspect of 
> dakini as guru all complete in Dzogchen. Enough. I am full.
> 
> I also am a hypocrit. I feel like whining right now. I just am 
tired of 
> guru/system bashing since I really am essentially rootless and I 
have to 
> include all different peoples as my friends. I want to like all of 
you. 
> Over about six years I have been coming here such has not been the 
case 
> however as some remain permanently in the dumpster, and some 
people I have 
> learned to actually really dislike and now I would never want to 
meet them. 
> That's really not the way it should be in this mystical paradise 
of life, 
> amongst the spiritual, or at least, spirited.
> 
> My words are not false, and there's no reason for people of 
some "Age of 
> Enlightenment" doing alot of bashing - unless it's the kind of 
bashing that 
> we do really well down here NOLA. Of course in some ways the whole 
of 
> TMO/Golden Domes etc is a sort of such bashing, a silent bash, if 
you will, 
> with a small bite of white cake at the end. That's okay.
> 
> This was enough fun at FFLife for me for one day.  And I don't 
even have a 
> life.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "enlightened_dawn11" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:26 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: 
All of 
> Patanjali's 8 limbs )
> 
> 
> > hey Kirk, all the poster said was that the guru's programs 
produced
> > mediocre results, as evidenced by the behavior of one of his
> > followers. hardly "guru bashing". and you have let this same
> > follower shit all over the Maharishi on a regular basis. quit 
being
> > a hypocrite and whiner.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >  Clearly, Vaj is trying to compensate for the mediocre 
results of
> >> > his Garab Dorje/Norbu program by making false and twisted 
claims
> >> > about the programs which really do work.
> >>
> >>
> >> --I just outright object on the principle of guru bashing 
as a
> > bad
> >> practice altogether. Please stop it now. I can offer no threat 
to
> > make my
> >> words sink in but I accept these words above as proof that
> > ignorance itself
> >> is its own pay back. To read the absurdities in the whole 
stinking
> > topic and
> >> the offended outcries is like taking barf for oatmeal. So few
> > people here
> >> have any real appreciateion of anything. I mean, there are some
> > here who can
> >> appreciate things. But then so many also seem like Christian
> > Puritans. What
> >> the hell is all this blather proving exactly. Leave Namkhai
> > Norbu's name
> >> entirely out of this  discussion please. You offend others than
> > just Vaj.
> >> Insult Garab Dorge, insult your o

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )


No, a dessert topping.

On Feb 13, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Peter wrote:


Dzogchen? Isn't that a breath mint?

[FairfieldLife] Re: An article from www.mcclatchydc.com



>From the article MDixon posted:

The president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, in a speech in Detroit
Thursday, tried to put a brave face on the tough year ahead. Thomas
Donohue acknowledged that big business didn't get in the stimulus bill
some of the tax-relief measures it most wanted, but promised the
Chamber's support.

"The bottom line is that at the end of the day, we're going to support
the legislation. Why? Because with the markets functioning so poorly,
the government is the only game in town capable of jump-starting the
economy," Donohue said.

=


If a comparison can be made with the New Deal: The New Deal worked,
worked well, and worked quickly.

U.S. Gross Domestic Product 1929-1941

See chart:
http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/363/Depression_GDP_output_1.gif


The economy had hit rock bottom in March 1933 and
then started to expand. As historian Broadus Mitchell
notes, "Most indexes worsened until the summer of
1932, which may be called the low point of the
depression economically and psychologically."[18]

Economic indicators show the economy reached nadir in
the first days of March, then began a steady, sharp
upward recovery. Thus the Federal Reserve Index of
Industrial Production hit its lowest point of 52.8 in
July 1930 (with 1935-39 = 100) and was practically
unchanged at 54.3 in March 1933; however by July 1933,
it reached 85.5, a dramatic rebound of 57% in four months.

Recovery was steady and strong until 1937. Except for
unemployment, the economy by 1937 surpassed the levels of
the late 1920s. The Recession of 1937 was a temporary
downturn. Private sector employment, especially in
manufacturing, recovered to the level of the 1920s but
failed to advance further until the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal


Total employment in the United States from 1920 to 1940, excluding
farms and WPA. Data was obtained from the U.S. Census Bureau
Statistical Abstracts and converted into SVG format

GRAPH: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Employment_Graph_-_1920_to_1940.svg 

===

McClatchy Washington Bureau
Posted on Thursday, Feb. 12, 2009

Will the stimulus actually stimulate? Economists say no
By Kevin G. Hall

WASHINGTON  The compromise economic stimulus plan agreed to by
negotiators from the House of Representatives and the Senate is short
on incentives to get consumers spending again and long on social goals
that won't stimulate economic activity, according to a range of
respected economists.

"I think (doing) nothing would have been better," said Ed Yardeni, an
investment analyst who's usually an optimist, in an interview with
McClatchy. He argued that the plan fails to provide the right
incentives to spur spending.

"It's unfocused. That is my problem. It is a lot of money for a lot of
nickel-and- dime programs. I would have rather had a lot of money for
(promoting purchase of) housing and autos . . . . Most of this plan is
really, I think, aimed at stabilizing the situation and helping people
get through the recession, rather than getting us out of the
recession. They are actually providing less short-term stimulus by
cutting back, from what I understand, some of the tax credits."

Read More...

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

No actually there was clearly a gangbang on Vaj this morning and I find it 
somehow shallow. It's especially shallow to utilize any supposed guru or 
master to make some tawdry and inconsequential point. The poster cannot know 
the results of Norbu or of Garab Dorge as his words show that he felt they 
didn't work. That's a personal decision and one I hope he unlearns. Dzogchen 
is not a thing. It will never be explained to anyone. You pick it up by 
grace of the Dakini or your pass it by.

There are some other systems which have been very much like Dzogchen in the 
distant past, but Sri Devi cults are perhaps the closest Hindu thing. Having 
a flowing and expanded Brahman awareness is what one is trying to also 
accomplish in Dzogchen, but it has ethical and epistimological variations 
from other systems as it will by nature. TM is somehow loosely related to 
Dzogchen at the outset by virtue of taking an angle of effortlessness. From 
where is the charm to make anything effortless? This is what one should be 
asking, and hopefully finding. I feel fortunate that I knew enough to 
research and find Shakti within, shakti without, clear mental aspect of 
dakini as guru all complete in Dzogchen. Enough. I am full.

I also am a hypocrit. I feel like whining right now. I just am tired of 
guru/system bashing since I really am essentially rootless and I have to 
include all different peoples as my friends. I want to like all of you. 
Over about six years I have been coming here such has not been the case 
however as some remain permanently in the dumpster, and some people I have 
learned to actually really dislike and now I would never want to meet them. 
That's really not the way it should be in this mystical paradise of life, 
amongst the spiritual, or at least, spirited.

My words are not false, and there's no reason for people of some "Age of 
Enlightenment" doing alot of bashing - unless it's the kind of bashing that 
we do really well down here NOLA. Of course in some ways the whole of 
TMO/Golden Domes etc is a sort of such bashing, a silent bash, if you will, 
with a small bite of white cake at the end. That's okay.

This was enough fun at FFLife for me for one day.  And I don't even have a 
life.

- Original Message - 
From: "enlightened_dawn11" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:26 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of 
Patanjali's 8 limbs )

> hey Kirk, all the poster said was that the guru's programs produced
> mediocre results, as evidenced by the behavior of one of his
> followers. hardly "guru bashing". and you have let this same
> follower shit all over the Maharishi on a regular basis. quit being
> a hypocrite and whiner.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >  Clearly, Vaj is trying to compensate for the mediocre results of
>> > his Garab Dorje/Norbu program by making false and twisted claims
>> > about the programs which really do work.
>>
>>
>> --I just outright object on the principle of guru bashing as a
> bad
>> practice altogether. Please stop it now. I can offer no threat to
> make my
>> words sink in but I accept these words above as proof that
> ignorance itself
>> is its own pay back. To read the absurdities in the whole stinking
> topic and
>> the offended outcries is like taking barf for oatmeal. So few
> people here
>> have any real appreciateion of anything. I mean, there are some
> here who can
>> appreciate things. But then so many also seem like Christian
> Puritans. What
>> the hell is all this blather proving exactly. Leave Namkhai
> Norbu's name
>> entirely out of this  discussion please. You offend others than
> just Vaj.
>> Insult Garab Dorge, insult your own very essence. How low idiotic
> is that?
>>
>> There is no conceivable difference between Advaita and Dzogchen
> since
>> neither deals with a conceptual state. All we have are footprints,
> and some
>> notes from some few interested practitioners. No other's opinions
> have any
>> bearing on anything. The intellectual trappings of each system in
> each
>> system try to be overcome from within and they are not always
> successful.
>> While some people here have excellent grasp of many systems I have
> yet to
>> see anyone who has synthesized and become intregral.  Able to
> understand ALL
>> the teachings. Without bullshit and name calling and negative
> insinuation,
>> as if someone who does one path or another is a whore or
> something.  Frankly
>> I have known some nicer whores that some of you here, but that's
> just
>> neither here nor there really. Some men and women learn compassion
> faster
>> and give more on their backs then some give on their meditation
> cushions.
>> And subsequent actions.
>>
>> Of course I'm nobody to talk as I was a stupid TM freak myself for
> quite a
>> long time and yet it was that fact that showed me that TMO was
> going the way
>> of fertilizer. I am sure it won't surprise anyone here that I
> sta

Re: [FairfieldLife] Summary of final stimulus package

2009-02-13 Thread Sal Sunshine


On Feb 13, 2009, at 7:39 AM, do.rflex wrote:


United States Congress

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009


Thanks for posting this, flex.  Makes it a lot more understandable.

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

Dzogchen? Isn't that a breath mint?


--- On Fri, 2/13/09, enlightened_dawn11  wrote:

> From: enlightened_dawn11 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of  
> Patanjali's 8 limbs )
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 9:41 AM
> you think your buddy Vaj is pure as the driven snow, eh?
> look a 
> little closer. that's yellow snow, bub.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"
>  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > > a good friend of mine just began TM and already
> he has 
> transcended
> > > all of this surface-y stuff that Vaj talks about.
> > >
> > > i ask Vaj again- what are you doing here on FFL?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I invited Vaj here about two years ago as I became
> interested in 
> dzogchen 
> > and I wanted someone here who could support me. I
> didn't care for 
> the 
> > gangland jumping in ceremony that goes on here amongst
> all the 
> separate 
> > cults. Of course I needed someone on my side, so
> that's where he 
> came from. 
> > As to why he remained, he obviously likes you guys and
> likes it 
> here and he 
> > feels that he is educating you people. For instance,
> two years ago 
> not a 
> > single person here had even heard of Dzogchen, and now
> people talk 
> about 
> > rainbow bodies like it's a done deal. See, Vaj has
> had a profound 
> effect. 
> > Certainly probably more profound to most than Share
> Intl or 
> Scientology, or 
> > triple distilled preboiled virgin water from Mars.
> Anyone who 
> speaks at all 
> > to the essence of the bodhisattva intention for
> liberating all 
> beings is 
> > only doing good, whether others are able to perceive
> that or not.
> > 
> > I personally am more sorry for what he puts up with
> here than what 
> he puts 
> > out. But that is his choice to remain.  You know,
> every ceremony I 
> have ever 
> > been at has screaming babies somewhere in the
> audience. No, I am 
> not talking 
> > about Vaj. I am talking about those of you who have no
> capacity to 
> control 
> > your mind and who always act according to habit and
> emotional 
> turmoil. You 
> > guys might TM yourselves to Brahmaloka but, well, but,
> actually, 
> good luck 
> > to you all.  Good luck. Maharishi always spoke of
> 'merit' and 
> deserving 
> > power being the real cause of liberation or not. None
> of this 
> interflensing 
> > is going to be helping anyone very much. Now or ever.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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>

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

you think your buddy Vaj is pure as the driven snow, eh? look a 
little closer. that's yellow snow, bub.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  
wrote:
>
> 
> > a good friend of mine just began TM and already he has 
transcended
> > all of this surface-y stuff that Vaj talks about.
> >
> > i ask Vaj again- what are you doing here on FFL?
> 
> 
> 
> I invited Vaj here about two years ago as I became interested in 
dzogchen 
> and I wanted someone here who could support me. I didn't care for 
the 
> gangland jumping in ceremony that goes on here amongst all the 
separate 
> cults. Of course I needed someone on my side, so that's where he 
came from. 
> As to why he remained, he obviously likes you guys and likes it 
here and he 
> feels that he is educating you people. For instance, two years ago 
not a 
> single person here had even heard of Dzogchen, and now people talk 
about 
> rainbow bodies like it's a done deal. See, Vaj has had a profound 
effect. 
> Certainly probably more profound to most than Share Intl or 
Scientology, or 
> triple distilled preboiled virgin water from Mars. Anyone who 
speaks at all 
> to the essence of the bodhisattva intention for liberating all 
beings is 
> only doing good, whether others are able to perceive that or not.
> 
> I personally am more sorry for what he puts up with here than what 
he puts 
> out. But that is his choice to remain.  You know, every ceremony I 
have ever 
> been at has screaming babies somewhere in the audience. No, I am 
not talking 
> about Vaj. I am talking about those of you who have no capacity to 
control 
> your mind and who always act according to habit and emotional 
turmoil. You 
> guys might TM yourselves to Brahmaloka but, well, but, actually, 
good luck 
> to you all.  Good luck. Maharishi always spoke of 'merit' and 
deserving 
> power being the real cause of liberation or not. None of this 
interflensing 
> is going to be helping anyone very much. Now or ever.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )


> a good friend of mine just began TM and already he has transcended
> all of this surface-y stuff that Vaj talks about.
>
> i ask Vaj again- what are you doing here on FFL?



I invited Vaj here about two years ago as I became interested in dzogchen 
and I wanted someone here who could support me. I didn't care for the 
gangland jumping in ceremony that goes on here amongst all the separate 
cults. Of course I needed someone on my side, so that's where he came from. 
As to why he remained, he obviously likes you guys and likes it here and he 
feels that he is educating you people. For instance, two years ago not a 
single person here had even heard of Dzogchen, and now people talk about 
rainbow bodies like it's a done deal. See, Vaj has had a profound effect. 
Certainly probably more profound to most than Share Intl or Scientology, or 
triple distilled preboiled virgin water from Mars. Anyone who speaks at all 
to the essence of the bodhisattva intention for liberating all beings is 
only doing good, whether others are able to perceive that or not.

I personally am more sorry for what he puts up with here than what he puts 
out. But that is his choice to remain.  You know, every ceremony I have ever 
been at has screaming babies somewhere in the audience. No, I am not talking 
about Vaj. I am talking about those of you who have no capacity to control 
your mind and who always act according to habit and emotional turmoil. You 
guys might TM yourselves to Brahmaloka but, well, but, actually, good luck 
to you all.  Good luck. Maharishi always spoke of 'merit' and deserving 
power being the real cause of liberation or not. None of this interflensing 
is going to be helping anyone very much. Now or ever.

[FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )

hey Kirk, all the poster said was that the guru's programs produced 
mediocre results, as evidenced by the behavior of one of his 
followers. hardly "guru bashing". and you have let this same 
follower shit all over the Maharishi on a regular basis. quit being 
a hypocrite and whiner.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  
wrote:
>
> 
> >  Clearly, Vaj is trying to compensate for the mediocre results of
> > his Garab Dorje/Norbu program by making false and twisted claims
> > about the programs which really do work.
> 
> 
> --I just outright object on the principle of guru bashing as a 
bad 
> practice altogether. Please stop it now. I can offer no threat to 
make my 
> words sink in but I accept these words above as proof that 
ignorance itself 
> is its own pay back. To read the absurdities in the whole stinking 
topic and 
> the offended outcries is like taking barf for oatmeal. So few 
people here 
> have any real appreciateion of anything. I mean, there are some 
here who can 
> appreciate things. But then so many also seem like Christian 
Puritans. What 
> the hell is all this blather proving exactly. Leave Namkhai 
Norbu's name 
> entirely out of this  discussion please. You offend others than 
just Vaj. 
> Insult Garab Dorge, insult your own very essence. How low idiotic 
is that?
> 
> There is no conceivable difference between Advaita and Dzogchen 
since 
> neither deals with a conceptual state. All we have are footprints, 
and some 
> notes from some few interested practitioners. No other's opinions 
have any 
> bearing on anything. The intellectual trappings of each system in 
each 
> system try to be overcome from within and they are not always 
successful. 
> While some people here have excellent grasp of many systems I have 
yet to 
> see anyone who has synthesized and become intregral.  Able to 
understand ALL 
> the teachings. Without bullshit and name calling and negative 
insinuation, 
> as if someone who does one path or another is a whore or 
something.  Frankly 
> I have known some nicer whores that some of you here, but that's 
just 
> neither here nor there really. Some men and women learn compassion 
faster 
> and give more on their backs then some give on their meditation 
cushions. 
> And subsequent actions.
> 
> Of course I'm nobody to talk as I was a stupid TM freak myself for 
quite a 
> long time and yet it was that fact that showed me that TMO was 
going the way 
> of fertilizer. I am sure it won't surprise anyone here that I 
stand up for 
> Vaj's intellectual rigor as I know that he knows more than most of 
you, 
> since he has been around for a long very long time and known many 
gurus. You 
> all really have no idea who he is at all.
> 
> As for many of you others, I don't know you, I only know your 
words, and 
> when you insult my guru you are inviting me to leave this place. 
Again. 
> Cause I won't abide it.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs )


>  Clearly, Vaj is trying to compensate for the mediocre results of
> his Garab Dorje/Norbu program by making false and twisted claims
> about the programs which really do work.


--I just outright object on the principle of guru bashing as a bad 
practice altogether. Please stop it now. I can offer no threat to make my 
words sink in but I accept these words above as proof that ignorance itself 
is its own pay back. To read the absurdities in the whole stinking topic and 
the offended outcries is like taking barf for oatmeal. So few people here 
have any real appreciateion of anything. I mean, there are some here who can 
appreciate things. But then so many also seem like Christian Puritans. What 
the hell is all this blather proving exactly. Leave Namkhai Norbu's name 
entirely out of this  discussion please. You offend others than just Vaj. 
Insult Garab Dorge, insult your own very essence. How low idiotic is that?

There is no conceivable difference between Advaita and Dzogchen since 
neither deals with a conceptual state. All we have are footprints, and some 
notes from some few interested practitioners. No other's opinions have any 
bearing on anything. The intellectual trappings of each system in each 
system try to be overcome from within and they are not always successful. 
While some people here have excellent grasp of many systems I have yet to 
see anyone who has synthesized and become intregral.  Able to understand ALL 
the teachings. Without bullshit and name calling and negative insinuation, 
as if someone who does one path or another is a whore or something.  Frankly 
I have known some nicer whores that some of you here, but that's just 
neither here nor there really. Some men and women learn compassion faster 
and give more on their backs then some give on their meditation cushions. 
And subsequent actions.

Of course I'm nobody to talk as I was a stupid TM freak myself for quite a 
long time and yet it was that fact that showed me that TMO was going the way 
of fertilizer. I am sure it won't surprise anyone here that I stand up for 
Vaj's intellectual rigor as I know that he knows more than most of you, 
since he has been around for a long very long time and known many gurus. You 
all really have no idea who he is at all.

As for many of you others, I don't know you, I only know your words, and 
when you insult my guru you are inviting me to leave this place. Again. 
Cause I won't abide it.

[FairfieldLife] Summary of final stimulus package



United States Congress

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

Creating Jobs, Supporting the States and Investing in Our Country's Future

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Great Depression, one that calls for swift, bold action. The goals of
this legislation are the same as they have been from day one: to
strengthen the economy now and invest in our country's future.

This legislation will create and save jobs; help state and local
governments with their budget shortfalls to prevent deep cuts in basic
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working families and invest in the long-term health of our economy. We
do all of this with unprecedented accountability, oversight and
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responsibly.

To accomplish these goals, The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act
provides $311 billion in appropriations, including the following
critical investments:

Investments in Infrastructure and Science - $120 billion

Investments in Health - $14.2 billion

Investments in Education and Training - $105.9 billion

Investments in Energy, including over $30 billion in infrastructure -
$37.5 billion

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Investments in Infrastructure and Science include:

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position the U.S. for economic growth, innovation, and job creation.

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homeland and promote economic activity, including $1 billion for
airport baggage and checkpoint security, $430 million for construction
of border points of entry, $210 million for construction of fire
stations, $300 million for port, transit, and rail security, $280
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- $1 billion for the Community Development Block Grant program for
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- $27.5 billion is included for highway investments

- $8.4 billion for investments in public transportation.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga

sounds like someone needs a hug.:)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > To All:
> > 
> > According to certain vedic texts, an adept in yoga can live 
> > forever by controlling the inhalation and exhalation of the 
> > breath.  
> 
> Given the Post Count mechanism screwup, I'm not
> completely sure but I think that this is my
> last post of the week. And, as such, it would
> probably behoove me to say something intelligent
> and uplifting in response to one of our more
> thoughtful members here. 
> 
> Instead, I'm going to respond to John again. 
> 
> So John, might I propose a "commentary" to your
> brilliant observation on the "vedic texts" above?
> 
> The entirety of my commentary is, "Well, duh."
> 
> If I could control the inhalation and exhalation
> of my breath by keeping them going, I could live 
> forever, too. So could you. There ain't no "adept"
> or "yoga" in the equation at all.  :-)
> 
> Well, duh.
> 
> > One of Ramachandra's descendant by the name of Maru, who 
> > was born thousands of years ago, is supposedly still alive 
> > today and is living somewhere in India. 
> 
> Actually, this part is true. Maru lives in a remote 
> cave in the Himalayas with Maitreya (yes, Nabby's 
> Maitreya), where the two of them have a fairly bitch-
> slap-meets-bitch-slap homosexual relationship. Their 
> spats can be heard from miles away, as can their 
> lovemaking when they run out of K-Y lubricant.
> 
> > According to the text, he will revive the lineage of the 
> > Sun dynasty sometime in the future.
> 
> And then *everyone* is going to have to invest in K-Y
> lubricant. The resulting era will be known as the 
> Sun Buggery Yuga, or the Age of Enlightened Bendover. :-)
> 
> I'm just funnin' wit ya, John, to see if you've got a 
> sense of humor about all of this. I would suggest that
> if you don't, you should probably work on that.
> 
> I *understand* that you probably wrote your post out
> of a desire to inspire others here with the same sense
> of awe and wonder that you felt when reading this fairy
> story (so to speak), and there are probably a few folks
> here who will feel that same sense of awe and wonder. 
> You had them at "According to certain vedic texts." 
> 
> Say that magic phrase and some are willing to throw 
> common sense out the window and believe anything that
> follows without question. They are willing to believe
> stories about living forever, about monkey men leaping 
> from India to Sri Lanka, about big blue chauffeurs 
> getting to decide who lives and who dies, about green 
> flowing soma, and about cows. Lots and lots of stories
> about cows. 
> 
> But others of us here -- I would suggest many of them
> firmly still in the "I like TM and continue to practice
> it no matter what" camp -- seem to be able to view these
> fairy tales *as* fairy tales, and enjoy them as such,
> without feeling the need to believe them as literal fact.
> 
> You seem to feel the need to believe them as literal
> fact, the same way that Jim Jim (what *is* it about guys
> from the South with two first names like Jim Bob or 
> Bubba Sue, anyway?) seems to believe that the Bible is
> literal fact. 
> 
> So I'm going to pose a few questions to you. You may
> answer them or not, as you see fit, but I've really just
> got to ask, because I find your position in all of this
> as curious as Jim Jim's.
> 
> First, do you really *believe* that one of Ramachandra's 
> descendents named Maru is still alive and kicking today 
> and living somewhere in India?
> 
> If so, what makes you believe this? 
> 
> Have you seen any *other* examples of people living forever? 
> 
> If this guy pulled off living forever by being an "adept 
> in yoga" and Maharishi (obviously) didn't, does that make 
> Maharishi *less* than an "adept in yoga?" 
> 
> What is the *value* of living forever?  ( To the world, 
> that is. I can imagine that if one is ego-bound enough 
> to *want* to live forever it has a value to the self. )
> 
> If you were secretly given the location of Ramachandra's
> descendent, and were to go see him, would you believe the
> things he told you just because he said them, and he's
> so freakin' old? ( I mean, Roger Moore just turned 80,
> but I don't see him as any font of eternal wisdom, even
> if he did play James Bond for a while. )
> 
> If you were to go to see Ramachandra's descendent and the
> first thing he asked you was, "Did you bring your K-Y?,"
> would you have second thoughts about the eternal truth
> to be found in the "vedic texts?"
> 
> And on that note, I think that's 50 and I'm outa here.
> 
> Jai and away...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A young boy learns about women

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > Mathias learns about women, in this beautiful 2006 short film by
> > Rasmus Heise. Contains some brief nudity.
> > 
> > Film: http://rasmusheise.dk/LM/
> 
> From what I've seen of it, it's great. Unfortunately, the download
> stalled out about 2/3 the way through. I then tried downloading the
> actual Quicktime .MOV file: 
> 
> http://rasmusheise.dk/NewFiles/LM.mov
> 
> It stalled out, too. My connection speed is 5183 kbps this morning, so
> it's not likely a bandwidth issue on my end.


Try letting it fully load before watching. That's what I did and it
worked fine.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga

i recall in Autobiography of a Yogi, Yogananda mentions a saint living 
in the himalayas who is 1,000's of years old as well. there is also 
mention of a saint who was about 350 years old, though i don't recall 
where i read about him. even Tat Wala Baba, who was assassinated at 
the age of 80 or so was said to look only about 35.

i am ok with going when i go, though it is remarkable these stories of 
those who come to earth with the express purpose of showing us that 
even human life need not be as short as it commonly is. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> To All:
> 
> According to certain vedic texts, an adept in yoga can live forever 
by 
> controlling the inhalation and exhalation of the breath.  One of 
> Ramachandra's descendant by the name of Maru, who was born thousands 
of 
> years ago, is supposedly still alive today and is living somewhere 
in 
> India.  According to the text, he will revive the lineage of the Sun 
> dynasty sometime in the future.
> 
> JR
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A young boy learns about women

2009-02-13 Thread Alex Stanley

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Mathias learns about women, in this beautiful 2006 short film by
> Rasmus Heise. Contains some brief nudity.
> 
> Film: http://rasmusheise.dk/LM/

>From what I've seen of it, it's great. Unfortunately, the download
stalled out about 2/3 the way through. I then tried downloading the
actual Quicktime .MOV file: 

http://rasmusheise.dk/NewFiles/LM.mov

It stalled out, too. My connection speed is 5183 kbps this morning, so
it's not likely a bandwidth issue on my end.

[FairfieldLife] Bose [baw-seh]-Einstein condensate and PC?

2009-02-13 Thread cardemaister


It seems to me some of the properties of Bose-Einstein condensate
resemble those of Pure Consciousness (turiiya == caturtha)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose_Einstein_condensate

[FairfieldLife] A young boy learns about women