[FairfieldLife] Polygamy in the USA

[John]

Should polygamy be legalized in America?  With gays and lesbians getting 
recognized for their rights, why can't live their lives as they see as part of 
the American lifestyle?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ASjmjHMnY4&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[Joe]

Shit. Not Belinda but "June". You'll understand when you read the book. It's 
hard to keep track. "April"="June"clever!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> Judith is careful to not reveal names of people she cannot contact. She calls 
> April "Belinda" in the book.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Joe
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:14 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
> >  
> >   
> > I think you'll be as pleasantly suprised as I was. I'm not sure what I was
> > expecting, but my feeling as I finished was of tremendous admiration for
> > Judith's courage in coming out with this, knowing full well that she would
> > be attacked. There also was a degree of fear that had been there as a result
> > of the sudden death (in a private plane crash that also took the life of two
> > other movement higher ups in the mid 70s) of the woman who "replaced" Judith
> > as MMY's sexual partner a few months after she suddenly left Mallorca
> > sending MMY into a tizzy.
> > April Clements? Interesting.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[Joe]

Judith is careful to not reveal names of people she cannot contact. She calls 
April "Belinda" in the book.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Joe
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:14 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
>  
>   
> I think you'll be as pleasantly suprised as I was. I'm not sure what I was
> expecting, but my feeling as I finished was of tremendous admiration for
> Judith's courage in coming out with this, knowing full well that she would
> be attacked. There also was a degree of fear that had been there as a result
> of the sudden death (in a private plane crash that also took the life of two
> other movement higher ups in the mid 70s) of the woman who "replaced" Judith
> as MMY's sexual partner a few months after she suddenly left Mallorca
> sending MMY into a tizzy.
> April Clements? Interesting.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[Joe]

Not exactly Judy, read the book. Judith was 22 years old at the time, remember. 
Maharishi was 56. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > I think you'll be as pleasantly suprised as I was. I'm not
> > sure what I was expecting, but my feeling as I finished was
> > of tremendous admiration for Judith's courage in coming out
> > with this, knowing full well that she would be attacked.
> > There also was a degree of fear that had been there as a
> > result of the sudden death (in a private  plane crash that
> > also took the life of two other movement higher ups in the
> > mid 70s) of the woman who "replaced" Judith as MMY's sexual
> > partner a few months after she suddenly left Mallorca
> > sending MMY into a tizzy.
> 
> The fear being that MMY had the plane sabotaged to take
> revenge on the woman who had left him, so if she said
> anything, he might murder her as well?
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Joe
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:14 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
 
  
I think you'll be as pleasantly suprised as I was. I'm not sure what I was
expecting, but my feeling as I finished was of tremendous admiration for
Judith's courage in coming out with this, knowing full well that she would
be attacked. There also was a degree of fear that had been there as a result
of the sudden death (in a private plane crash that also took the life of two
other movement higher ups in the mid 70s) of the woman who "replaced" Judith
as MMY's sexual partner a few months after she suddenly left Mallorca
sending MMY into a tizzy.
April Clements? Interesting.

[FairfieldLife] Re: ABC News/Nightline: Transcendental Meditation in Vedic City, Iowa

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
wrote:
>
> On Jul 6, 2010, at 8:49 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
>
> > Feste has just become a crumedgeon. "Bah, it's dumb. Couldn't even
make a distinction between Vedic City and the University, or Fairfield"
Who the f cares.
>
> Yeah, asking for truthfulness in reporting and hoping they
> get the very few facts they had to deal with straight really
> is makes feste a hopeless character. He actually believes
> news reports ould not distort or manipulate~~what a
> curmudgeon!


Oh yes, it  should have been more documentary like.  The average public
would like to know about the distinction between Vedic City and the
University, and where the town fits in.  The producers of the piece
should have realized this.   And by the way, when did you become such a
stickler for accountability and accuracy.  This is news to me.  Seems to
me, you have pretty loose standards when someone is advocating a point
of view you espouse.


> > The piece captured the jist of the whole thing, but Feste finds
fault in some distinction that doesn't even matter.
>
> Yep, the fact that so few people go to the Domes they
> had to bring in slaves~~I mean pundits~~all the way from
> India to artificially pump up the numbers sure is trivial. And
> the fact that those few locals who do go are a small, in many
> ways a very unsociable, pathetically-frightened-of-change
> tiny number of those who could go is I guess another trivial
> detail. Whatever, lurk.

This was just a general interest piece.  Get it.  This was not some
heavy investigative story.  You spin the pundit deal in the way you
want.  Someone else can spin it another way.  It's just a fluff piece. 
Again, I find your journalistic standards to be somewhat arbitrary.
>
> > Guess it's just old age ossification.
>
> Yeah, I guess so~~poor feste!
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" feste37@ wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hopeless reporting. It fails to make any distinction between Vedic
City and Fairfield and implies that the domes and the university are in
Vedic City. It doesn't even mention Fairfield, but how could anyone have
moved to Vedic City in 1982?
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> I think you'll be as pleasantly suprised as I was. I'm not
> sure what I was expecting, but my feeling as I finished was
> of tremendous admiration for Judith's courage in coming out
> with this, knowing full well that she would be attacked.
> There also was a degree of fear that had been there as a
> result of the sudden death (in a private  plane crash that
> also took the life of two other movement higher ups in the
> mid 70s) of the woman who "replaced" Judith as MMY's sexual
> partner a few months after she suddenly left Mallorca
> sending MMY into a tizzy.

The fear being that MMY had the plane sabotaged to take
revenge on the woman who had left him, so if she said
anything, he might murder her as well?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[Joe]

I think you'll be as pleasantly suprised as I was. I'm not sure what I was 
expecting, but my feeling as I finished was of tremendous admiration for 
Judith's courage in coming out with this, knowing full well that she would be 
attacked. There also was a degree of fear that had been there as a result of 
the sudden death (in a private  plane crash that also took the life of two 
other movement higher ups in the mid 70s) of the woman who "replaced" Judith as 
MMY's sexual partner a few months after she suddenly left Mallorca sending MMY 
into a tizzy.

Judith had to sort through all of these feelings in order to go public with her 
story.

In addition, as you'll see when you read the book, she still remains somewhat 
conflicted since she is clearly is a person with a highly developed intellect 
and heart. She clearly is not interested in participating in one sided MMY 
bashing. We'll see what happens, but I think the book is written with such a 
degree of heart and truth that it will be quite difficult for anyone who reads 
it to discard the very real probability that Judith has revealed an entirely 
new aspect of MMY's life. Personally, I think it is a very healthy. Truth is 
healthy.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> Excellent review, dude. I was going to pass it by, but now
> I might order it and read it.
> 
> Having been there, done that, I can tell you that it is a
> stone bitch trying to write a memoir of what it was like
> to be around one of these supposedly enlightened guys, and
> yet be true to yourself. Trying to walk that razor's edge
> is something that few in the canon of spiritual literature
> have attempted, or pulled off. Most tend to go the bhakti
> route.  
> 
> I've read a few of the "tell all" books about Castandeda
> or Chogyam Trungpa, and IMO few of them achieved the 
> balance you speak of in Judith's book. I know my book 
> about Rama never achieved it, even though I tried my best.
> 
> I'll check out her story, especially in light of currently
> being immersed in Stieg Larsson's world. I'd really like
> to read something by a woman placed in this position who
> found a way to view the whole situation in a balanced way.
> That's very rare.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > I received a copy of Judith's book yesterday and finished reading it today. 
> > The book includes a large number of photos from the late 60's and early 70s 
> > as well as a number of personal notes written to Judith from MMY. I have a 
> > small stash of notes from MMY the handwriting of the notes in the book 
> > certainly appears to be his.
> > 
> > Those who were expecting an angry "tell all" from Ms. Bourque are going to 
> > be very surprised. In fact, she maintains a very balanced view of MMY. Ms. 
> > Bourque remains a strong supporter of many things that MMY accomplished in 
> > his life. At the same time she points out the danger in hanging "god-like" 
> > or beyond human expectations on MMY or any spiritual teacher. She also 
> > makes a strong case for the need of a general house-cleaning in the TMO as 
> > she becomes more familiar with the present day rise of "raja-ism".
> > 
> > Along with many of us who were around MMY in the early 70s, Ms. Bourque 
> > witnessed the seeds of "raja-ism" with MMY's steady removal of the 
> > brightest and most creative minds of the TMO during that time, to be 
> > replaced with those who simply follow without ever raising questions.
> > 
> > There is a very touching chapter towards the end of the book titled: A 
> > Message To My Sisters where Judith reaches out to all other women who found 
> > themselves in a similar situation with MMY. (It's quite clear that she is 
> > personally aware of several other women who had the same experience with 
> > MMY.) Judith Bourques own affair with MMY started in Rishikesh in 1970 and 
> > continued on until it tapered off in Seelisberg when it was clear that 
> > MMY's interest was drifting away towards several other women.
> > 
> > It was in Seelisberg that Judith became involved with the man (a former 
> > leader of the TMO in Sweden) she later married. As disappointing as it is 
> > to read of MMY's use of his own power position to satisfy his sexual needs, 
> > it's actually more disturbing to read of his selfish manipulation of these 
> > women's' personal lives. When MMY learns of Judith's interest in this man 
> > (who coincidentally was also the person who obtained the Seelisberg 
> > property for the TMO) he writes notes (included in the book) telling Judith 
> > that this is the cause of the physical problems she was suffering from at 
> > the time. It's clear that MMY provided various degrees of financial support 
> > for Judith during the time of their affair. He also arranged for Indian 
> > merchants to bring the finest silk saris and gold jewelry for Judith to 
> > wear.
> > 
> > In spite of all this, Judith Bourque's admiration for what MMY accom

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[Joe]

Nabby, what does Rick's very under control ego have to do with what happened to 
this woman in the early 70s?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> > > On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:32 PM
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
> > >  
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > >  , TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I'll check out her story, especially in light of currently
> > > > being immersed in Stieg Larsson's world. I'd really like
> > > > to read something by a woman placed in this position who
> > > > found a way to view the whole situation in a balanced way.
> > > > That's very rare.
> > > 
> > > Some fellows are forever immersed in small things.
> > > And some are ever in denial.
> > > Are you suggesting Maharishi had a small thing?
> > 
> > 
> > You know I commented on something else. Yet you had to drag it down to your 
> > own (foolish) level.
> > 
> > Nothing new.
> 
> As Rick's ego grows, his understanding of reality diminishes.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:32 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
> >  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >  , TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > I'll check out her story, especially in light of currently
> > > being immersed in Stieg Larsson's world. I'd really like
> > > to read something by a woman placed in this position who
> > > found a way to view the whole situation in a balanced way.
> > > That's very rare.
> > 
> > Some fellows are forever immersed in small things.
> > And some are ever in denial.
> > Are you suggesting Maharishi had a small thing?
> 
> 
> You know I commented on something else. Yet you had to drag it down to your 
> own (foolish) level.
> 
> Nothing new.

As Rick's ego grows, his understanding of reality diminishes.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:32 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
>  
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , TurquoiseB  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I'll check out her story, especially in light of currently
> > being immersed in Stieg Larsson's world. I'd really like
> > to read something by a woman placed in this position who
> > found a way to view the whole situation in a balanced way.
> > That's very rare.
> 
> Some fellows are forever immersed in small things.
> And some are ever in denial.
> Are you suggesting Maharishi had a small thing?


You know I commented on something else. Yet you had to drag it down to your own 
(foolish) level.

Nothing new.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Soccer: octopussy Paul's prediction!

[hermandan0]

Well, he's got it over my nephew. Glad I didn't bet ;)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Paul "predicted" Spain shall beat Germany!
> > The latter badly needs more YFfers? :/
> >
> 
> Aho bata! Namo namo 'STapaada-polaaya! 
> 
> Without sandhi: namaH; namaH; aSTapaada-polaaya!
> 
> ("Saint" Paul with eight feet!)
> 
> ROFL!
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Castalia Complex

[ditzyklanmail]

Nablusoss1008 Avatar who cuts and pastes someone else's quote and blames 
another...Come on chicken doo doo, why do you call this avatar that represents 
posts a fool?
I demand an apology. 





From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 7 July, 2010 12:18:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Castalia Complex

  
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail  wrote:
> >
>> 
> Nope. I find it often amusing, never frustrating (because I'm
> not part of it), and largely irrelevant to the planet and its
> future. 

I don't see it having any significant role in that
> future.

I think thats an interesting observation because it's so silly, and it says 
ton's about the forces Maharishi had to struggel with within His own Movement 
to 
create The Age of Enlightenment. 


Having invited everybody in on the the ride He knew He would have to allow 
idiots like the above on board.

His Divine Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi initiated the Dawn of the Age of 
Enlightenment, and He succeeded. 


Without the help of fools like "carc108"


 

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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:32 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , TurquoiseB  wrote:

> 
> I'll check out her story, especially in light of currently
> being immersed in Stieg Larsson's world. I'd really like
> to read something by a woman placed in this position who
> found a way to view the whole situation in a balanced way.
> That's very rare.

Some fellows are forever immersed in small things.
And some are ever in denial.
Are you suggesting Maharishi had a small thing?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:


> 
> I'll check out her story, especially in light of currently
> being immersed in Stieg Larsson's world. I'd really like
> to read something by a woman placed in this position who
> found a way to view the whole situation in a balanced way.
> That's very rare.

Some fellows are forever immersed in small things.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[Joe]

Yes, I believe that's correct.  They later had a child together so I'm a little 
unclear on whether or not they ever got married. I wrote to Judith today to get 
clarification of this and will post when it comes.

Judith's relationship with this man started after her own with MMY had wound 
down. This man (Johannes Olivegren) died of cancer in 1989

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > I need to make a correction to what I have written here. I
> > thought I had read that Judith later married this former
> > leader of the Swedish movement. As I look at that section
> > today she is saying that HE was married, not that they
> > married.
> 
> He was married at the time they were having an affair?
> 
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I received a copy of Judith's book yesterday and finished reading it 
> > > today. The book includes a large number of photos from the late 60's and 
> > > early 70s as well as a number of personal notes written to Judith from 
> > > MMY. I have a small stash of notes from MMY the handwriting of the 
> > > notes in the book certainly appears to be his.
> > > 
> > > Those who were expecting an angry "tell all" from Ms. Bourque are going 
> > > to be very surprised. In fact, she maintains a very balanced view of MMY. 
> > > Ms. Bourque remains a strong supporter of many things that MMY 
> > > accomplished in his life. At the same time she points out the danger in 
> > > hanging "god-like" or beyond human expectations on MMY or any spiritual 
> > > teacher. She also makes a strong case for the need of a general 
> > > house-cleaning in the TMO as she becomes more familiar with the present 
> > > day rise of "raja-ism".
> > > 
> > > Along with many of us who were around MMY in the early 70s, Ms. Bourque 
> > > witnessed the seeds of "raja-ism" with MMY's steady removal of the 
> > > brightest and most creative minds of the TMO during that time, to be 
> > > replaced with those who simply follow without ever raising questions.
> > > 
> > > There is a very touching chapter towards the end of the book titled: A 
> > > Message To My Sisters where Judith reaches out to all other women who 
> > > found themselves in a similar situation with MMY. (It's quite clear that 
> > > she is personally aware of several other women who had the same 
> > > experience with MMY.) Judith Bourques own affair with MMY started in 
> > > Rishikesh in 1970 and continued on until it tapered off in Seelisberg 
> > > when it was clear that MMY's interest was drifting away towards several 
> > > other women.
> > > 
> > > It was in Seelisberg that Judith became involved with the man (a former 
> > > leader of the TMO in Sweden) she later married. As disappointing as it is 
> > > to read of MMY's use of his own power position to satisfy his sexual 
> > > needs, it's actually more disturbing to read of his selfish manipulation 
> > > of these women's' personal lives. When MMY learns of Judith's interest in 
> > > this man (who coincidentally was also the person who obtained the 
> > > Seelisberg property for the TMO) he writes notes (included in the book) 
> > > telling Judith that this is the cause of the physical problems she was 
> > > suffering from at the time. It's clear that MMY provided various degrees 
> > > of financial support for Judith during the time of their affair. He also 
> > > arranged for Indian merchants to bring the finest silk saris and gold 
> > > jewelry for Judith to wear.
> > > 
> > > In spite of all this, Judith Bourque's admiration for what MMY 
> > > accomplished in bringing TM to the world is clear throughout the book. At 
> > > the German premier of the David Sieviking's "David Wants To Fly" movie, 
> > > in which Ms. Bourque appears, she gently chides Sieviking for not 
> > > presenting more of the positive side of what MMY accomplished.
> > > 
> > > I would urge anyone with an interest in learning more about this aspect 
> > > of MMY's life to read this very well written and often moving, book.
> > > 
> > > I believe it would be very difficult indeed for someone to read the book 
> > > and still question Ms. Bourques' honesty.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] "Square Pixel Inventor Tries to Smooth Things Out"

[authfriend]

>From Wired. The inventor of the pixel has never been
happy with it:


..."Finally," he says, "at my advanced age of 81, I 
decided that instead of just complaining about what I 
did, I ought to do something about it."

Kirsch's method assesses a square-pixel picture with 
masks that are 6 by 6 pixels each and looks for the 
best way to divide this larger pixel cleanly into two 
areas of the greatest contrast. The program tries two 
different masks over each area — in one, a seam 
divides the mask into two rough triangles, and in the 
other a seam creates two rough rectangles. Each mask 
is then rotated until the program finds the 
configuration that splits the 6-by-6 area into 
sections that contrast the most. Then, similar pixels 
on either side of the seam are fused

Read more:

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/06/smoothing-square-pixels#ixzz0t2S7IlPH

http://tinyurl.com/2dv7fv9

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> I need to make a correction to what I have written here. I
> thought I had read that Judith later married this former
> leader of the Swedish movement. As I look at that section
> today she is saying that HE was married, not that they
> married.

He was married at the time they were having an affair?



> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > I received a copy of Judith's book yesterday and finished reading it today. 
> > The book includes a large number of photos from the late 60's and early 70s 
> > as well as a number of personal notes written to Judith from MMY. I have a 
> > small stash of notes from MMY the handwriting of the notes in the book 
> > certainly appears to be his.
> > 
> > Those who were expecting an angry "tell all" from Ms. Bourque are going to 
> > be very surprised. In fact, she maintains a very balanced view of MMY. Ms. 
> > Bourque remains a strong supporter of many things that MMY accomplished in 
> > his life. At the same time she points out the danger in hanging "god-like" 
> > or beyond human expectations on MMY or any spiritual teacher. She also 
> > makes a strong case for the need of a general house-cleaning in the TMO as 
> > she becomes more familiar with the present day rise of "raja-ism".
> > 
> > Along with many of us who were around MMY in the early 70s, Ms. Bourque 
> > witnessed the seeds of "raja-ism" with MMY's steady removal of the 
> > brightest and most creative minds of the TMO during that time, to be 
> > replaced with those who simply follow without ever raising questions.
> > 
> > There is a very touching chapter towards the end of the book titled: A 
> > Message To My Sisters where Judith reaches out to all other women who found 
> > themselves in a similar situation with MMY. (It's quite clear that she is 
> > personally aware of several other women who had the same experience with 
> > MMY.) Judith Bourques own affair with MMY started in Rishikesh in 1970 and 
> > continued on until it tapered off in Seelisberg when it was clear that 
> > MMY's interest was drifting away towards several other women.
> > 
> > It was in Seelisberg that Judith became involved with the man (a former 
> > leader of the TMO in Sweden) she later married. As disappointing as it is 
> > to read of MMY's use of his own power position to satisfy his sexual needs, 
> > it's actually more disturbing to read of his selfish manipulation of these 
> > women's' personal lives. When MMY learns of Judith's interest in this man 
> > (who coincidentally was also the person who obtained the Seelisberg 
> > property for the TMO) he writes notes (included in the book) telling Judith 
> > that this is the cause of the physical problems she was suffering from at 
> > the time. It's clear that MMY provided various degrees of financial support 
> > for Judith during the time of their affair. He also arranged for Indian 
> > merchants to bring the finest silk saris and gold jewelry for Judith to 
> > wear.
> > 
> > In spite of all this, Judith Bourque's admiration for what MMY accomplished 
> > in bringing TM to the world is clear throughout the book. At the German 
> > premier of the David Sieviking's "David Wants To Fly" movie, in which Ms. 
> > Bourque appears, she gently chides Sieviking for not presenting more of the 
> > positive side of what MMY accomplished.
> > 
> > I would urge anyone with an interest in learning more about this aspect of 
> > MMY's life to read this very well written and often moving, book.
> > 
> > I believe it would be very difficult indeed for someone to read the book 
> > and still question Ms. Bourques' honesty.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[TurquoiseB]

Excellent review, dude. I was going to pass it by, but now
I might order it and read it.

Having been there, done that, I can tell you that it is a
stone bitch trying to write a memoir of what it was like
to be around one of these supposedly enlightened guys, and
yet be true to yourself. Trying to walk that razor's edge
is something that few in the canon of spiritual literature
have attempted, or pulled off. Most tend to go the bhakti
route.  

I've read a few of the "tell all" books about Castandeda
or Chogyam Trungpa, and IMO few of them achieved the 
balance you speak of in Judith's book. I know my book 
about Rama never achieved it, even though I tried my best.

I'll check out her story, especially in light of currently
being immersed in Stieg Larsson's world. I'd really like
to read something by a woman placed in this position who
found a way to view the whole situation in a balanced way.
That's very rare.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> I received a copy of Judith's book yesterday and finished reading it today. 
> The book includes a large number of photos from the late 60's and early 70s 
> as well as a number of personal notes written to Judith from MMY. I have a 
> small stash of notes from MMY the handwriting of the notes in the book 
> certainly appears to be his.
> 
> Those who were expecting an angry "tell all" from Ms. Bourque are going to be 
> very surprised. In fact, she maintains a very balanced view of MMY. Ms. 
> Bourque remains a strong supporter of many things that MMY accomplished in 
> his life. At the same time she points out the danger in hanging "god-like" or 
> beyond human expectations on MMY or any spiritual teacher. She also makes a 
> strong case for the need of a general house-cleaning in the TMO as she 
> becomes more familiar with the present day rise of "raja-ism".
> 
> Along with many of us who were around MMY in the early 70s, Ms. Bourque 
> witnessed the seeds of "raja-ism" with MMY's steady removal of the brightest 
> and most creative minds of the TMO during that time, to be replaced with 
> those who simply follow without ever raising questions.
> 
> There is a very touching chapter towards the end of the book titled: A 
> Message To My Sisters where Judith reaches out to all other women who found 
> themselves in a similar situation with MMY. (It's quite clear that she is 
> personally aware of several other women who had the same experience with 
> MMY.) Judith Bourques own affair with MMY started in Rishikesh in 1970 and 
> continued on until it tapered off in Seelisberg when it was clear that MMY's 
> interest was drifting away towards several other women.
> 
> It was in Seelisberg that Judith became involved with the man (a former 
> leader of the TMO in Sweden) she later married. As disappointing as it is to 
> read of MMY's use of his own power position to satisfy his sexual needs, it's 
> actually more disturbing to read of his selfish manipulation of these 
> women's' personal lives. When MMY learns of Judith's interest in this man 
> (who coincidentally was also the person who obtained the Seelisberg property 
> for the TMO) he writes notes (included in the book) telling Judith that this 
> is the cause of the physical problems she was suffering from at the time. 
> It's clear that MMY provided various degrees of financial support for Judith 
> during the time of their affair. He also arranged for Indian merchants to 
> bring the finest silk saris and gold jewelry for Judith to wear.
> 
> In spite of all this, Judith Bourque's admiration for what MMY accomplished 
> in bringing TM to the world is clear throughout the book. At the German 
> premier of the David Sieviking's "David Wants To Fly" movie, in which Ms. 
> Bourque appears, she gently chides Sieviking for not presenting more of the 
> positive side of what MMY accomplished.
> 
> I would urge anyone with an interest in learning more about this aspect of 
> MMY's life to read this very well written and often moving, book.
> 
> I believe it would be very difficult indeed for someone to read the book and 
> still question Ms. Bourques' honesty.
>

[FairfieldLife] Elusive American Dream

[John]

Young Americans, called the millenials, would have to forge their own 
businesses rather than rely on corporate America to start their careers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/business/economy/07generation.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=homepage

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[Joe]

I need to make a correction to what I have written here. I thought I had read 
that Judith later married this former leader of the Swedish movement. As I look 
at that section today she is saying that HE was married, not that they married.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> I received a copy of Judith's book yesterday and finished reading it today. 
> The book includes a large number of photos from the late 60's and early 70s 
> as well as a number of personal notes written to Judith from MMY. I have a 
> small stash of notes from MMY the handwriting of the notes in the book 
> certainly appears to be his.
> 
> Those who were expecting an angry "tell all" from Ms. Bourque are going to be 
> very surprised. In fact, she maintains a very balanced view of MMY. Ms. 
> Bourque remains a strong supporter of many things that MMY accomplished in 
> his life. At the same time she points out the danger in hanging "god-like" or 
> beyond human expectations on MMY or any spiritual teacher. She also makes a 
> strong case for the need of a general house-cleaning in the TMO as she 
> becomes more familiar with the present day rise of "raja-ism".
> 
> Along with many of us who were around MMY in the early 70s, Ms. Bourque 
> witnessed the seeds of "raja-ism" with MMY's steady removal of the brightest 
> and most creative minds of the TMO during that time, to be replaced with 
> those who simply follow without ever raising questions.
> 
> There is a very touching chapter towards the end of the book titled: A 
> Message To My Sisters where Judith reaches out to all other women who found 
> themselves in a similar situation with MMY. (It's quite clear that she is 
> personally aware of several other women who had the same experience with 
> MMY.) Judith Bourques own affair with MMY started in Rishikesh in 1970 and 
> continued on until it tapered off in Seelisberg when it was clear that MMY's 
> interest was drifting away towards several other women.
> 
> It was in Seelisberg that Judith became involved with the man (a former 
> leader of the TMO in Sweden) she later married. As disappointing as it is to 
> read of MMY's use of his own power position to satisfy his sexual needs, it's 
> actually more disturbing to read of his selfish manipulation of these 
> women's' personal lives. When MMY learns of Judith's interest in this man 
> (who coincidentally was also the person who obtained the Seelisberg property 
> for the TMO) he writes notes (included in the book) telling Judith that this 
> is the cause of the physical problems she was suffering from at the time. 
> It's clear that MMY provided various degrees of financial support for Judith 
> during the time of their affair. He also arranged for Indian merchants to 
> bring the finest silk saris and gold jewelry for Judith to wear.
> 
> In spite of all this, Judith Bourque's admiration for what MMY accomplished 
> in bringing TM to the world is clear throughout the book. At the German 
> premier of the David Sieviking's "David Wants To Fly" movie, in which Ms. 
> Bourque appears, she gently chides Sieviking for not presenting more of the 
> positive side of what MMY accomplished.
> 
> I would urge anyone with an interest in learning more about this aspect of 
> MMY's life to read this very well written and often moving, book.
> 
> I believe it would be very difficult indeed for someone to read the book and 
> still question Ms. Bourques' honesty.
>

[FairfieldLife] Octopus vs. Breast Perk: Tentacles win, Boobs droop

[TurquoiseB]

Oh, the ignominy of it all.

My prognostication method -- based on appreciation of breast aesthethics
or the lack thereof on Sitges beaches -- has been bested by an octopus
named Paul, choosing which mussel looks more appetizing. I ask
you...where are the Laws Of Nature in this? I for one am disappointed in
their priorities.

Yes, it is a tad embarrassing to have been bested in the prognostication
business by a bulbous sea creature that looks a lot like a sperm cell on
steroids. I admit my chagrin. My method of seeing the future or
prognostication -- since I got it right once and failed once -- has been
relegated to the same status as other popular methods of
prognostication, like...uh...astrology.

  [http://picture.funnycorner.net/funny-pictures/4968/astrology.jpg]
On the other hand, some feel that flipping a coin -- which, after all,
produces the same 50/50 results as my Hooter Appreciation Method --
might be a step up from astrology. At least no one is going to stage an
intervention to make their team win in the World Cup, whereas I'll bet
that we all know parents who have had the following scenario run through
their heads, even if never acted upon:

  [http://www.offthemarkcartoons.com/cartoons/1994-07-23.gif]
I shall now humbly retire my method, and allow it to go to its grave
with a 50/50 record. After all, the next (and final) game of the World
Cup is between Spain and Holland. My loyalties are divided on this one,
because I currently live in Spain, but The Netherlands is where I'll
probably live next.

Besides, there aren't enough Dutch women in Sitges to do a Breast
Appreciation Study of on the beach with any degree of statistical
reliability. (That's one reason I consider moving to The Netherlands.)

Sigh. I tip my hat to Paul, the clear winner in this contest. Octopuses
clearly wax humans in the prognostication business.

Then again, I'm less likely to end up as calamari...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[Joe]

As far as I know, this edition is the only one available. You get it by going 
to: www.robesofsilkfeetofclay.com

Towards the end of the book there is an Afterword written by Rob McCutchun, who 
was one of MMY's "skin boys" for a period of five years. He was also MMY's 
first Western Brahmachari. Rob states that a part of him tried to deny what he 
was seeing take place in various locations over the years, but when he 
witnessed MMY reduced to a state much like a lovesick teenager  when another 
young woman MMY had been seeing abruptly left the Mallorca course, he could no 
longer deny the obvious nature of what was taking place.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> right, but he would never get the book (THIS particular book) on his own.  
> I'll get it when it comes out hard-copy version; read it, then send it to him.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > That's good. There are many shots of Jerry and Judith in the book. I would 
> > imagine he will find it a fascinating read.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> > >
> > > thx,"fair and balanced" (Bill O'Reilly).  I forwarded your post 
> > > to Jerry J. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I received a copy of Judith's book yesterday and finished reading it 
> > > > today. The book includes a large number of photos from the late 60's 
> > > > and early 70s as well as a number of personal notes written to Judith 
> > > > from MMY. I have a small stash of notes from MMY the handwriting of 
> > > > the notes in the book certainly appears to be his.
> > > > 
> > > > Those who were expecting an angry "tell all" from Ms. Bourque are going 
> > > > to be very surprised. In fact, she maintains a very balanced view of 
> > > > MMY. Ms. Bourque remains a strong supporter of many things that MMY 
> > > > accomplished in his life. At the same time she points out the danger in 
> > > > hanging "god-like" or beyond human expectations on MMY or any spiritual 
> > > > teacher. She also makes a strong case for the need of a general 
> > > > house-cleaning in the TMO as she becomes more familiar with the present 
> > > > day rise of "raja-ism".
> > > > 
> > > > Along with many of us who were around MMY in the early 70s, Ms. Bourque 
> > > > witnessed the seeds of "raja-ism" with MMY's steady removal of the 
> > > > brightest and most creative minds of the TMO during that time, to be 
> > > > replaced with those who simply follow without ever raising questions.
> > > > 
> > > > There is a very touching chapter towards the end of the book titled: A 
> > > > Message To My Sisters where Judith reaches out to all other women who 
> > > > found themselves in a similar situation with MMY. (It's quite clear 
> > > > that she is personally aware of several other women who had the same 
> > > > experience with MMY.) Judith Bourques own affair with MMY started in 
> > > > Rishikesh in 1970 and continued on until it tapered off in Seelisberg 
> > > > when it was clear that MMY's interest was drifting away towards several 
> > > > other women.
> > > > 
> > > > It was in Seelisberg that Judith became involved with the man (a former 
> > > > leader of the TMO in Sweden) she later married. As disappointing as it 
> > > > is to read of MMY's use of his own power position to satisfy his sexual 
> > > > needs, it's actually more disturbing to read of his selfish 
> > > > manipulation of these women's' personal lives. When MMY learns of 
> > > > Judith's interest in this man (who coincidentally was also the person 
> > > > who obtained the Seelisberg property for the TMO) he writes notes 
> > > > (included in the book) telling Judith that this is the cause of the 
> > > > physical problems she was suffering from at the time. It's clear that 
> > > > MMY provided various degrees of financial support for Judith during the 
> > > > time of their affair. He also arranged for Indian merchants to bring 
> > > > the finest silk saris and gold jewelry for Judith to wear.
> > > > 
> > > > In spite of all this, Judith Bourque's admiration for what MMY 
> > > > accomplished in bringing TM to the world is clear throughout the book. 
> > > > At the German premier of the David Sieviking's "David Wants To Fly" 
> > > > movie, in which Ms. Bourque appears, she gently chides Sieviking for 
> > > > not presenting more of the positive side of what MMY accomplished.
> > > > 
> > > > I would urge anyone with an interest in learning more about this aspect 
> > > > of MMY's life to read this very well written and often moving, book.
> > > > 
> > > > I believe it would be very difficult indeed for someone to read the 
> > > > book and still question Ms. Bourques' honesty.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ABC News/Nightline: Transcendental Meditation in Vedic City, Iowa

[Bhairitu]

I wonder who knew who to get ABC to do that piece?

Sal Sunshine wrote:
> On Jul 6, 2010, at 8:49 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
>
>   
>> Feste has just become a crumedgeon.  "Bah, it's dumb. Couldn't even make a 
>> distinction between Vedic City and the University, or Fairfield"  Who the f 
>> cares.  
>> 
>
> Yeah, asking for truthfulness in reporting and hoping they
> get the very few facts they had to deal with straight really
> is makes feste a hopeless character.  He actually believes
> news reports should not distort or manipulate~~what a 
> curmudgeon!
>
>   
>> The piece captured the jist of the whole thing, but Feste finds fault in 
>> some distinction that doesn't even matter.
>> 
>
> Yep, the fact that so few people go to the Domes they
> had to bring in slaves~~I mean pundits~~all the way from
> India to artificially pump up the numbers sure is trivial.  And
> the fact that those few locals who do go are a small, in many
> ways a very unsociable, pathetically-frightened-of-change
> tiny number of those who could go is I guess another trivial
> detail.  Whatever, lurk.
>
>   
>> Guess it's just old age ossification.
>> 
>
> Yeah, I guess so~~poor feste!
>
>   
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>> 
>>>
>>> Hopeless reporting. It fails to make any distinction between Vedic City and 
>>> Fairfield and implies that the domes and the university are in Vedic City. 
>>> It doesn't even mention Fairfield, but how could anyone have moved to Vedic 
>>> City in 1982?
>>>   
>
>   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[Bhairitu]

Joe wrote:
> In spite of all this, Judith Bourque's admiration for what MMY accomplished 
> in bringing TM to the world is clear throughout the book. At the German 
> premier of the David Sieviking's "David Wants To Fly" movie, in which Ms. 
> Bourque appears, she gently chides Sieviking for not presenting more of the 
> positive side of what MMY accomplished.
>
>   

So did she try any other programs for comparison?  Probably not.  That's 
sort of like someone saying that the US is the best country in the world 
when they've never traveled out of the US.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[yifuxero]

right, but he would never get the book (THIS particular book) on his own.  I'll 
get it when it comes out hard-copy version; read it, then send it to him.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> 
> That's good. There are many shots of Jerry and Judith in the book. I would 
> imagine he will find it a fascinating read.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> >
> > thx,"fair and balanced" (Bill O'Reilly).  I forwarded your post to 
> > Jerry J. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I received a copy of Judith's book yesterday and finished reading it 
> > > today. The book includes a large number of photos from the late 60's and 
> > > early 70s as well as a number of personal notes written to Judith from 
> > > MMY. I have a small stash of notes from MMY the handwriting of the 
> > > notes in the book certainly appears to be his.
> > > 
> > > Those who were expecting an angry "tell all" from Ms. Bourque are going 
> > > to be very surprised. In fact, she maintains a very balanced view of MMY. 
> > > Ms. Bourque remains a strong supporter of many things that MMY 
> > > accomplished in his life. At the same time she points out the danger in 
> > > hanging "god-like" or beyond human expectations on MMY or any spiritual 
> > > teacher. She also makes a strong case for the need of a general 
> > > house-cleaning in the TMO as she becomes more familiar with the present 
> > > day rise of "raja-ism".
> > > 
> > > Along with many of us who were around MMY in the early 70s, Ms. Bourque 
> > > witnessed the seeds of "raja-ism" with MMY's steady removal of the 
> > > brightest and most creative minds of the TMO during that time, to be 
> > > replaced with those who simply follow without ever raising questions.
> > > 
> > > There is a very touching chapter towards the end of the book titled: A 
> > > Message To My Sisters where Judith reaches out to all other women who 
> > > found themselves in a similar situation with MMY. (It's quite clear that 
> > > she is personally aware of several other women who had the same 
> > > experience with MMY.) Judith Bourques own affair with MMY started in 
> > > Rishikesh in 1970 and continued on until it tapered off in Seelisberg 
> > > when it was clear that MMY's interest was drifting away towards several 
> > > other women.
> > > 
> > > It was in Seelisberg that Judith became involved with the man (a former 
> > > leader of the TMO in Sweden) she later married. As disappointing as it is 
> > > to read of MMY's use of his own power position to satisfy his sexual 
> > > needs, it's actually more disturbing to read of his selfish manipulation 
> > > of these women's' personal lives. When MMY learns of Judith's interest in 
> > > this man (who coincidentally was also the person who obtained the 
> > > Seelisberg property for the TMO) he writes notes (included in the book) 
> > > telling Judith that this is the cause of the physical problems she was 
> > > suffering from at the time. It's clear that MMY provided various degrees 
> > > of financial support for Judith during the time of their affair. He also 
> > > arranged for Indian merchants to bring the finest silk saris and gold 
> > > jewelry for Judith to wear.
> > > 
> > > In spite of all this, Judith Bourque's admiration for what MMY 
> > > accomplished in bringing TM to the world is clear throughout the book. At 
> > > the German premier of the David Sieviking's "David Wants To Fly" movie, 
> > > in which Ms. Bourque appears, she gently chides Sieviking for not 
> > > presenting more of the positive side of what MMY accomplished.
> > > 
> > > I would urge anyone with an interest in learning more about this aspect 
> > > of MMY's life to read this very well written and often moving, book.
> > > 
> > > I believe it would be very difficult indeed for someone to read the book 
> > > and still question Ms. Bourques' honesty.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Soccer: octopussy Paul's prediction!

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> Paul "predicted" Spain shall beat Germany!
> The latter badly needs more YFfers? :/
>

Aho bata! Namo namo 'STapaada-polaaya! 

Without sandhi: namaH; namaH; aSTapaada-polaaya!

("Saint" Paul with eight feet!)

ROFL!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[Joe]

That's good. There are many shots of Jerry and Judith in the book. I would 
imagine he will find it a fascinating read.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> thx,"fair and balanced" (Bill O'Reilly).  I forwarded your post to 
> Jerry J. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > I received a copy of Judith's book yesterday and finished reading it today. 
> > The book includes a large number of photos from the late 60's and early 70s 
> > as well as a number of personal notes written to Judith from MMY. I have a 
> > small stash of notes from MMY the handwriting of the notes in the book 
> > certainly appears to be his.
> > 
> > Those who were expecting an angry "tell all" from Ms. Bourque are going to 
> > be very surprised. In fact, she maintains a very balanced view of MMY. Ms. 
> > Bourque remains a strong supporter of many things that MMY accomplished in 
> > his life. At the same time she points out the danger in hanging "god-like" 
> > or beyond human expectations on MMY or any spiritual teacher. She also 
> > makes a strong case for the need of a general house-cleaning in the TMO as 
> > she becomes more familiar with the present day rise of "raja-ism".
> > 
> > Along with many of us who were around MMY in the early 70s, Ms. Bourque 
> > witnessed the seeds of "raja-ism" with MMY's steady removal of the 
> > brightest and most creative minds of the TMO during that time, to be 
> > replaced with those who simply follow without ever raising questions.
> > 
> > There is a very touching chapter towards the end of the book titled: A 
> > Message To My Sisters where Judith reaches out to all other women who found 
> > themselves in a similar situation with MMY. (It's quite clear that she is 
> > personally aware of several other women who had the same experience with 
> > MMY.) Judith Bourques own affair with MMY started in Rishikesh in 1970 and 
> > continued on until it tapered off in Seelisberg when it was clear that 
> > MMY's interest was drifting away towards several other women.
> > 
> > It was in Seelisberg that Judith became involved with the man (a former 
> > leader of the TMO in Sweden) she later married. As disappointing as it is 
> > to read of MMY's use of his own power position to satisfy his sexual needs, 
> > it's actually more disturbing to read of his selfish manipulation of these 
> > women's' personal lives. When MMY learns of Judith's interest in this man 
> > (who coincidentally was also the person who obtained the Seelisberg 
> > property for the TMO) he writes notes (included in the book) telling Judith 
> > that this is the cause of the physical problems she was suffering from at 
> > the time. It's clear that MMY provided various degrees of financial support 
> > for Judith during the time of their affair. He also arranged for Indian 
> > merchants to bring the finest silk saris and gold jewelry for Judith to 
> > wear.
> > 
> > In spite of all this, Judith Bourque's admiration for what MMY accomplished 
> > in bringing TM to the world is clear throughout the book. At the German 
> > premier of the David Sieviking's "David Wants To Fly" movie, in which Ms. 
> > Bourque appears, she gently chides Sieviking for not presenting more of the 
> > positive side of what MMY accomplished.
> > 
> > I would urge anyone with an interest in learning more about this aspect of 
> > MMY's life to read this very well written and often moving, book.
> > 
> > I believe it would be very difficult indeed for someone to read the book 
> > and still question Ms. Bourques' honesty.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[yifuxero]

thx,"fair and balanced" (Bill O'Reilly).  I forwarded your post to 
Jerry J. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> I received a copy of Judith's book yesterday and finished reading it today. 
> The book includes a large number of photos from the late 60's and early 70s 
> as well as a number of personal notes written to Judith from MMY. I have a 
> small stash of notes from MMY the handwriting of the notes in the book 
> certainly appears to be his.
> 
> Those who were expecting an angry "tell all" from Ms. Bourque are going to be 
> very surprised. In fact, she maintains a very balanced view of MMY. Ms. 
> Bourque remains a strong supporter of many things that MMY accomplished in 
> his life. At the same time she points out the danger in hanging "god-like" or 
> beyond human expectations on MMY or any spiritual teacher. She also makes a 
> strong case for the need of a general house-cleaning in the TMO as she 
> becomes more familiar with the present day rise of "raja-ism".
> 
> Along with many of us who were around MMY in the early 70s, Ms. Bourque 
> witnessed the seeds of "raja-ism" with MMY's steady removal of the brightest 
> and most creative minds of the TMO during that time, to be replaced with 
> those who simply follow without ever raising questions.
> 
> There is a very touching chapter towards the end of the book titled: A 
> Message To My Sisters where Judith reaches out to all other women who found 
> themselves in a similar situation with MMY. (It's quite clear that she is 
> personally aware of several other women who had the same experience with 
> MMY.) Judith Bourques own affair with MMY started in Rishikesh in 1970 and 
> continued on until it tapered off in Seelisberg when it was clear that MMY's 
> interest was drifting away towards several other women.
> 
> It was in Seelisberg that Judith became involved with the man (a former 
> leader of the TMO in Sweden) she later married. As disappointing as it is to 
> read of MMY's use of his own power position to satisfy his sexual needs, it's 
> actually more disturbing to read of his selfish manipulation of these 
> women's' personal lives. When MMY learns of Judith's interest in this man 
> (who coincidentally was also the person who obtained the Seelisberg property 
> for the TMO) he writes notes (included in the book) telling Judith that this 
> is the cause of the physical problems she was suffering from at the time. 
> It's clear that MMY provided various degrees of financial support for Judith 
> during the time of their affair. He also arranged for Indian merchants to 
> bring the finest silk saris and gold jewelry for Judith to wear.
> 
> In spite of all this, Judith Bourque's admiration for what MMY accomplished 
> in bringing TM to the world is clear throughout the book. At the German 
> premier of the David Sieviking's "David Wants To Fly" movie, in which Ms. 
> Bourque appears, she gently chides Sieviking for not presenting more of the 
> positive side of what MMY accomplished.
> 
> I would urge anyone with an interest in learning more about this aspect of 
> MMY's life to read this very well written and often moving, book.
> 
> I believe it would be very difficult indeed for someone to read the book and 
> still question Ms. Bourques' honesty.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Inaccessibility

[Bhairitu]

Opens Friday here.  About time something showed up at the local 
multiplex I want to see.  I suspect Robert Rodriguez hasn't made a flop.

ditzyklanmail wrote:
> Bravo bravo, excellent post. 
>
> The invisible man reminds me: tonight is the opening of Predators! 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u8vZwvP57Y
>
> Hunter and invisible!
>
>
> __

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ABC News/Nightline: Transcendental Meditation in Vedic City, Iowa

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jul 6, 2010, at 8:49 PM, seventhray1 wrote:

> Feste has just become a crumedgeon.  "Bah, it's dumb. Couldn't even make a 
> distinction between Vedic City and the University, or Fairfield"  Who the f 
> cares.  

Yeah, asking for truthfulness in reporting and hoping they
get the very few facts they had to deal with straight really
is makes feste a hopeless character.  He actually believes
news reports should not distort or manipulate~~what a 
curmudgeon!

> The piece captured the jist of the whole thing, but Feste finds fault in some 
> distinction that doesn't even matter.

Yep, the fact that so few people go to the Domes they
had to bring in slaves~~I mean pundits~~all the way from
India to artificially pump up the numbers sure is trivial.  And
the fact that those few locals who do go are a small, in many
ways a very unsociable, pathetically-frightened-of-change
tiny number of those who could go is I guess another trivial
detail.  Whatever, lurk.

> Guess it's just old age ossification.

Yeah, I guess so~~poor feste!

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hopeless reporting. It fails to make any distinction between Vedic City and 
>> Fairfield and implies that the domes and the university are in Vedic City. 
>> It doesn't even mention Fairfield, but how could anyone have moved to Vedic 
>> City in 1982?
> 

[FairfieldLife] Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque

[Joe]

I received a copy of Judith's book yesterday and finished reading it today. The 
book includes a large number of photos from the late 60's and early 70s as well 
as a number of personal notes written to Judith from MMY. I have a small stash 
of notes from MMY the handwriting of the notes in the book certainly 
appears to be his.

Those who were expecting an angry "tell all" from Ms. Bourque are going to be 
very surprised. In fact, she maintains a very balanced view of MMY. Ms. Bourque 
remains a strong supporter of many things that MMY accomplished in his life. At 
the same time she points out the danger in hanging "god-like" or beyond human 
expectations on MMY or any spiritual teacher. She also makes a strong case for 
the need of a general house-cleaning in the TMO as she becomes more familiar 
with the present day rise of "raja-ism".

Along with many of us who were around MMY in the early 70s, Ms. Bourque 
witnessed the seeds of "raja-ism" with MMY's steady removal of the brightest 
and most creative minds of the TMO during that time, to be replaced with those 
who simply follow without ever raising questions.

There is a very touching chapter towards the end of the book titled: A Message 
To My Sisters where Judith reaches out to all other women who found themselves 
in a similar situation with MMY. (It's quite clear that she is personally aware 
of several other women who had the same experience with MMY.) Judith Bourques 
own affair with MMY started in Rishikesh in 1970 and continued on until it 
tapered off in Seelisberg when it was clear that MMY's interest was drifting 
away towards several other women.

It was in Seelisberg that Judith became involved with the man (a former leader 
of the TMO in Sweden) she later married. As disappointing as it is to read of 
MMY's use of his own power position to satisfy his sexual needs, it's actually 
more disturbing to read of his selfish manipulation of these women's' personal 
lives. When MMY learns of Judith's interest in this man (who coincidentally was 
also the person who obtained the Seelisberg property for the TMO) he writes 
notes (included in the book) telling Judith that this is the cause of the 
physical problems she was suffering from at the time. It's clear that MMY 
provided various degrees of financial support for Judith during the time of 
their affair. He also arranged for Indian merchants to bring the finest silk 
saris and gold jewelry for Judith to wear.

In spite of all this, Judith Bourque's admiration for what MMY accomplished in 
bringing TM to the world is clear throughout the book. At the German premier of 
the David Sieviking's "David Wants To Fly" movie, in which Ms. Bourque appears, 
she gently chides Sieviking for not presenting more of the positive side of 
what MMY accomplished.

I would urge anyone with an interest in learning more about this aspect of 
MMY's life to read this very well written and often moving, book.

I believe it would be very difficult indeed for someone to read the book and 
still question Ms. Bourques' honesty.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Castalia Complex

[ditzyklanmail]

A hall monitor?  
Some one referring the address of avatar as a fool to ask questions? 
 If questions appear foolish, how does dissing them make you? 
The avatar did not attack anyone. The avatar does not have the same views as 
the 
turquoise fellow,  but respects the views fully. nor does the avatar diss 
TM. 

Why do you wish to call a fool?






From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 7 July, 2010 12:18:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Castalia Complex

  
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail  wrote:
> >
>> 
> Nope. I find it often amusing, never frustrating (because I'm
> not part of it), and largely irrelevant to the planet and its
> future. 

I don't see it having any significant role in that
> future.

I think thats an interesting observation because it's so silly, and it says 
ton's about the forces Maharishi had to struggel with within His own Movement 
to 
create The Age of Enlightenment. 


Having invited everybody in on the the ride He knew He would have to allow 
idiots like the above on board.

His Divine Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi initiated the Dawn of the Age of 
Enlightenment, and He succeeded. 


Without the help of fools like "carc108"


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Castalia Complex

[ditzyklanmail]

and another thing, mr nablusoss cut and pasted what the ditz did not type. That 
is fraud.






From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 7 July, 2010 12:18:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Castalia Complex

  
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail  wrote:
> >
>> 
> Nope. I find it often amusing, never frustrating (because I'm
> not part of it), and largely irrelevant to the planet and its
> future. 

I don't see it having any significant role in that
> future.

I think thats an interesting observation because it's so silly, and it says 
ton's about the forces Maharishi had to struggel with within His own Movement 
to 
create The Age of Enlightenment. 


Having invited everybody in on the the ride He knew He would have to allow 
idiots like the above on board.

His Divine Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi initiated the Dawn of the Age of 
Enlightenment, and He succeeded. 


Without the help of fools like "carc108"


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Castalia Complex

[WillyTex]

> > May I ask you a few questions that you may answer to share 
> > with all of us on FFL and the whole internet data machine?
> >
TurquoiseB:  
> I kept meditating TM-style out of habit for about a 
> year, then found some other styles of meditation that
> seemed to suit me better. I have practiced them since,
> with no "plateau effect" ever noticeable. They provide
> ongoing satisfaction...
> 
Another question:

Why is it that the meditation teachers like Barry are so 
secretive - why won't they just tell us what 'style' of 
meditation it is they practice, what satisfaction they get, 
and how to practice it? Maybe they don't have a clue what 
they are doing and why they are doing it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Castalia Complex

[nablusoss1008]

In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail  wrote:
> >
>> 
> Nope. I find it often amusing, never frustrating (because I'm
> not part of it), and largely irrelevant to the planet and its
> future. 

I don't see it having any significant role in that
> future.


I think thats an interesting observation because it's so silly, and it says 
ton's about the forces Maharishi had to struggel with within His own Movement 
to create The Age of Enlightenment. 

Having invited everybody in on the the ride He knew He would have to allow 
idiots like the above on board.

His Divine Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi initiated the Dawn of the Age of 
Enlightenment, and He succeeded. 

Without the help of fools like "carc108"

Re: [FairfieldLife] Inaccessibility

[ditzyklanmail]

Bravo bravo, excellent post. 

The invisible man reminds me: tonight is the opening of Predators! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u8vZwvP57Y

Hunter and invisible!



From: TurquoiseB 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 6 July, 2010 3:34:02 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Inaccessibility

  
For Don and others, a short illustrated treatise on the opposite of the Look At 
Me I'm A Big Fish In A Small Pond-ism so often seen here, a homage to the 
Castanedan art of inaccessibility, and a reminder of the value of keeping your 
ego in your pants.

First, find the fish:
http://illusionsetc .blogspot. com/2005/ 06/spot-fish- optical-illusion .html 

Next, find the person:
http://visualfunhou se.com/uncategor ized/the- invisible- man-optical- 
illusion. 
html 


Third, the theory:
"The art of a hunter is to become inaccessible. To be inaccessible means that 
you touch the world around you sparingly. You don't expose yourself to the 
power 
of the wind unless it is mandatory. You don't use and squeeze people until they 
have shriveled to nothing, especially the people you love.

"To be unavailable means that you deliberately avoid exhausting yourself and 
others. It means that you are not hungry and desperate.

"A hunter knows he will lure game into his traps over and over again, so he 
doesn't worry. To worry is to become accessible, unwittingly accessible. And 
once you worry you cling to anything out of desperation; and once you cling you 
are bound to get exhausted or to exhaust whoever or whatever you are clinging 
to.

"To be inaccessible does not mean to hide or to be secretive. It doesn't mean 
that you cannot deal with people either. A hunter uses his world sparingly and 
with tenderness regardless of whether the world might be things, or plants, or 
animals, or people, or power. A hunter deals intimately with his world and yet 
he is inaccessible to that same world. He is inaccessible because he's not 
squeezing his world out of shape. He taps it lightly, stays for as long as he 
needs to, and then swiftly moves away leaving hardly a mark."
-- Carlos Castaneda, Journey To Ixtlan

Finally, how -- and more important why -- not to be seen:
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=ltmMJntSfQI 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Castalia Complex

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail  wrote:
>
> Mr. Turquoise, 
> 
> You make some valid points of opinion, if opinion is valid 
> in any way and there are are any points involved.
> 
> May I ask you a few questions that you may answer to share 
> with all of us on FFL and the whole internet data machine?

I really don't understand why, because I am essentially
a nobody and my opinion counts for nothing. But out of 
a sense of fun I'll play.  :-)

> If you wish to express a response, below are the questions:
> 
> 1)  Do you feel TM gave you satisfaction?

An interesting question, one that I would have to say 
relates to my "standards." In the beginning, when my
standards were low for what constitutes "spiritual
experience" or even a good meditation experience, I
found it satisfying. Like many, I found that sense
of satisfaction to have "plateaued out" within a few
years, but I hung in there thinking maybe it would
"spark up" again. I even went to a 6-month TMSP course
hoping that would jumpstart things again. On that 
course I flew the first day and was bored with it
by the second. Definitely not worth the money paid
for the experience IMO, so I left the TMO shortly
after returning from that course.

I kept meditating TM-style out of habit for about a 
year, then found some other styles of meditation that
seemed to suit me better. I have practiced them since,
with no "plateau effect" ever noticeable. They provide
ongoing satisfaction.

> 2) The experience of the journey with TM in the beginning of 
> your venture, had this given you any satisfaction at the time 
> of the journey (during your early stage)?

I had great fun at times in the TM movement; I left 
when it stopped being fun, or producing any noticeable
results.

> 3) Do you feel TM which from my understanding, is used to 
> expand one's horizon and the idea of self inquiry go hand 
> in hand?

I am the wrong person to ask. I have never really
practiced "self inquiry" as touted by Advaita or
Neo-Advaita, and don't think much of it. I consider
it a benevolent form of moodmaking. If you were to
ask me whether TM could go hand in hand with some-
thing like mindfulness (with which I am familiar),
I would say yes; I think the two would go well
together.

> 4) Do you think a routine in one's life leads to a better 
> experience overall for the mind/body experience as related 
> to slowing down the aging process of stress?   

"Routine" is valuable for some, not as much for others
IMO. And at different times in their lives or path. I
can see routine ("gotta" meditate twice a day) being
valuable for someone just starting out, and stultifying
for someone a little further on. I see neither routine
nor the lack of it having much to do with reducing stress.

> 5) As to question number 4, do you think a better experience 
> overall with spontaneity also leads to slowing down the 
> aging process... 

I don't think much about "slowing down the aging process,"
so I am again the wrong person to ask. That said, in my
experience the happiest older people I have ever met in
my life tended more towards spontaneity in their lives
than they did routine. In fact, I would have to say that
the more routine was present, the less happy they seemed
to be. So I think there is a value to spontaneity and
"breaking up one's routines," yes.

> 6) What would you do, if all of a sudden, higher ups in the 
> TM community (those with the money making decisions and 
> directional non profit representatives) approached you and 
> offered you a paid consulting opportunity to help make the 
> TM organization more acceptable by the 99% of the world's 
> people who may see some of the behaviors as you mention 
> below as "weird"?  

After laughing myself silly, you mean?  :-)

I would refuse (I want nothing whatsoever to do with
the TMO in any capacity), but would offer them a few 
pieces of free advice:

1. Take all of the Rajas and current leaders of the 
TMO and reward them for their years of service by send-
ing them on a rounding course somewhere elegant and
remote. Lock them in so their meditations will not be
disturbed, and then throw away the key. Never let any
of them get near a microphone, a camera, a press release
or the reins of power of the TMO ever again.

2. Focus on marketing TM and only TM (no sidhis, no A-V,
no S-V, no "advanced techniques," no "add-ons." Roll the
prices back to $35US for students, $75US for working 
adults. *Never* market the "add-ons" to new TMers, other
than giving them the URL of a website that tells what
they are and what they cost. Focus on TM and only TM.

3. Stay the fuck out of meditators' lives. Those lives
are none of their business.

> (note that rock stars and hollywood types are put up there in 
> the light, even with their strange lifestyles, lack of morals 
> or bedtime schedules, but hey, they appear to be happy, have 
> access to worldly pleasures like eating food, a roof over their 
> heads and clothes to wear, so maybe 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo [movie]

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>   
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>> 
>>> There also appears to be a TV series based on the same
>>> novels, called "Millennium." I don't know whether it
>>> goes over some of the same material as the films or
>>> springboards off of them and goes in new directions, but
>>> it stars the same duo, so I'll definitely check it out.
>>>   
>> The Millennium Trilogy, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, The 
>> Girl Who Played with Fire and The Girl Who Kicked the Hornets' 
>> Nest are novels written by Stieg Larsson and published in 2005, 
>> 2006 and 2007.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Trilogy
>>
>> Millennium the TV series aired on Fox from 1996 to 1999.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_%28TV_series%29
>> 
>
> Not the same Millenium at all. Different creator,
> cast, plot, and characters. The new Millennium
> TV series is Swedish, and stars the same duo
> in the movies.
>
>   
>> Millennium is the name of the magazine, published by Larsson's 
>> central character, journalist, Mikael Blomkvist. The TV series 
>> and the books are not related.
>>
>> I just finished reading the trilogy non-stop. Loved Lisbeth 
>> Salander. What a great kick-some-ass character.
>>
>> I was curious to know how Larsson died and I discovered a 
>> fascinating interview with his mate Eva Gabrielsson. 
>> http://www.stieglarsson.com/biography-eva-gabrielsson
>>
>> Eva said Larsson had witnessed the gang rape of a girl when he 
>> was 14 and because of that he always considered himself a 
>> feminist. Larsson's trilogy has a very strong feminist thread 
>> throughout. No bad deed, or violence against a woman goes 
>> unpunished, especially if you're messing with Lisbeth Salander. 
>> 
>
> I agree that Lizbeth is an interesting character;
> she's also one of the unhappiest characters in the
> history of literature, brilliant but so traumatized
> by her life that she turns into a one-woman psycho
> vigilante squad from time to time. I can see why
> *you* would think of her as a good feminist.  :-)
>
> I watched the second of the films last night. Not
> as good as the first IMO, but interesting. Lisbeth
> is a little like Dexter in that you can't keep your
> eyes off of her, even though you know she's off the
> map in terms of right and wrong. I think the novels
> have been so popular (best-selling novels in Scan-
> dinavian history) not only because so many women
> identify with her angst, but because the novels
> celebrate the vigilante "payback" idea born from
> that angst. What they seem to lack, based on having
> seen two of the three movies now and not having
> read the novels, is any concept of being able to
> "move on" and live one's life *in spite of* the
> things that happen to one, not in a kind of per-
> petual "payback mode" trying to make someone "pay"
> for the things that have happened.
>
> Still, in a world of Sex and the City 2 and The
> Last Airbender, these movies are a welcome relief.
> As was Dexter. Ya gotta love him, even though he
> is insane. Similarly, ya gotta love Lisbeth, even
> though she's more than a little insane, too. It's
> good when appreciating the "Death Wish" vigilante
> characters one sees onscreen that even though it
> "feels good" to watch them waste the bad guys,
> it's neither their job to waste them nor their
> right to waste them. In other words, it's good
> IMO to remember that the vigilante you are cheer-
> ing for is insane, and part of you is equally
> insane in cheering them on.

Good film though whoever encoded it for Netflix (available in SD only 
with WI) somehow managed to cut off  the descenders of the subtitles and 
no it wasn't the overscan on my set.   I was somehow reminded of the 
Argentine series "Epitafios" that played last summer on HBO.   For some 
reason I don't think Edg would like it though. ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "highest goal in life" as IDEA

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> 
> > > Is this one of your "you have to agree with me before I 
> > > discuss it" arguments?
> > 
> > If you can't acknowledge that he lied about the two
> > points I mentioned above, there's no point in my
> > discussing MAV with you any further, no. 
> 
> > That failure indicates a mind completely closed to 
> > reason, evidence, and logic.
> 
> Hmm, yes that sounds like me.

You have a blind spot about your blind spots. The Skolnick
issue is a really clearcut case.

Compare and contrast: I'm able to give Skolnick credit
for the good stuff he does while calling him out on the
bad stuff. You can't acknowledge that there *is* any
bad stuff.

Re: [FairfieldLife] We're having a .... cool wave!

[Mike Dixon]

I noticed on National Geographic last night that all that summer fog is how the 
great Redwoods survive the dry summers. Seems they are able to absorb moisture 
in their canopies from the fog, which is much more efficient than drawing water 
up from the roots and *pushing* it to the tops of those enormous trees. Hmmm, 
that Redwood deck project sounds more interesting now.




From: Bhairitu 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 3:47:48 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] We're having a  cool wave!

  
So while the eastern seaboard swelters in 100+ heat I wake up this 
morning to overcast skies here in the Bay Area. This is the more 
typical summer weather for here, cloudy or foggy in the morning but 
burnt off by noon. Makes for good "sleeping weather." ;-)





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: ABC News video about Fairfield & TM

[pranamoocher]

Especially loved the video scenes they took in the dome of people
snoozing or lying down as the reporter mentioned the stated alertness
during TM.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
>
> Great 5 min video on ABC News about Fairfield, Maharishi Vedic City
and TM.
>
>
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/transcendental-meditation-vedic-city-iow\
a/story?id=9218475
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The "highest goal in life" as IDEA

[ditzyklanmail]

Don't mess with Judy. She makes very valid points. I agree.






From: WillyTex 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 6 July, 2010 12:50:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The "highest goal in life" as IDEA

  


> > If you can't acknowledge that he lied about the two
> > points I mentioned above, there's no point in my
> > discussing MAV with you any further, no. That failure 
> > indicates a mind completely closed to reason, 
> > evidence, and logic...
> >
Hugo:
> Hmm, yes that sounds like me.
>
You just got waxed real good by Judy! Can I add your name 
to the Judy waxed list? You had a chance to make your
points, but you just can't bring yourself to admit that
Judy was right about Skolnick lying on Usenet. Go figure.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ringo at 70

[ditzyklanmail]

 the vatican is up there with high moral standards. 






From: John 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 7 July, 2010 12:11:53 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ringo at 70

  
Can you believe it? and he's still at it.  He's become a legend in his own time 
that even the Vatican has forgiven the Beatles for whatever sins they've 
committed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/06/arts/music/06ringo.html?_r=1


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Castalia Complex

[ditzyklanmail]

Mr. Turquoise, 

You make some valid points of opinion, if opinion is valid in any way and there 
are are any points involved.

May I ask you a few questions that you may answer to share with all of us on 
FFL 
and the whole internet data machine?

If you wish to express a response, below are the questions:

1)  Do you feel TM gave you satisfaction?

2) The experience of the journey with TM in the beginning of your venture,  had 
this given you any satisfaction at the time of the journey (during your early 
stage)?

3) Do you feel TM which from my understanding,  is used to expand one's horizon 
and the idea of self inquiry go hand in hand?

4) Do you think a routine in one's life leads to a better experience overall 
for 
the mind/body experience as related to slowing down the aging process of 
stress?   


5) As to question number 4, do you think a better experience overall  with 
spontaneity also leads to slowing down the aging process, if one wishes to live 
a happy life, fulfilled with all which encompasses, includes less stress on 
others in our little bubbles and the society around one? (for example of stress 
leading behavior, if one is on a crack cocaine diet, he/she in their element 
may 
produce situations that endanger others or cost others misery because of bad 
choices made on the crack.)


6) What would you do, if all of a sudden, higher ups in the TM community (those 
with the money making decisions and directional non profit representatives) 
approached you and offered you a paid consulting opportunity to help make the 
TM 
organization more acceptable by the 99% of the world's people who may see some 
of the behaviors as you mention below as "weird"?  (note that rock stars and 
hollywood types are put up there in the light, even with their strange 
lifestyles, lack of morals or bedtime schedules, but hey, they appear to be 
happy, have access to worldly pleasures like eating food, a roof over their 
heads and clothes to wear, so maybe that is why they are allowed to stand forth 
and advertise for the TM organization.) (yes, the parenthesis items in  
question 
number 6 are meant to sway opinion of your answer.)

7) In your opinion, why would someone like you, who put many years, as it 
appears into working with the TM organization, place you any less than those 
mentioned in parenthesis in question number 6? 


8) Say if Hagelin, Lynch and others were to start asking questions  and shared 
those questions with the 99% other's  who may  think TM is weird, because 
inquiry is what the idea of meditation helps create when one's mind is rested, 
would that help the overall PR's of the TM organization?

9) Do you hate the TM?

 These questions are not attempting to stone anyone for opinion or belief or 
experience.   If anyone wishes to add to this list, and understands where I 
appear to be going with these type of questions, please add your insight. Keep 
it basic, for those with smaller minds in the big fish eats the little fish 
world do not wish to be eaten and have a right to do so.  Enlightenment is not 
about competition, squashing, totalitarianism, fascism, etc. : )

Thank you for you either ignoring or sharing with this response. It is all 
good. 








From: TurquoiseB 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 6 July, 2010 5:18:21 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Castalia Complex

  
For me, much of Hermann Hesse's work does not "hold up" over
time. I go back to reread much of it and it's just too...uh...
German for me. Meaning pretentious and almost New Age before
that term was invented, an attempt to create "pop" versions 
of Eastern concepts before fully understanding them. 

But one book -- considered his masterwork, and cited as one
of the primary reasons for his Nobel Prize -- "holds up." It's
probably because it was his last book, because he spent 12
years writing it, and because he saved it until the end of
his life, when some of these Eastern concepts that fascinated
him had had time to "gel." That book is "Magister Ludi," also
known as "The Glass Bead Game."

I mention it because I just pulled it off the bookshelf as one
of the books I'm taking with me this summer to Amsterdam, but
also because a major theme of the book seems relevant to FFL
and to the TM organization. The book is set in an unspecified
future, within the cloistered walls of Castalia. In this monas-
tery the intellectuals and "spiritual" types have holed up for
centuries, devoting themselves to the life of the mind, and
rejecting technology and the relative world outside their walls.

And that's the theme that I think is relevant to the TMO -- the
"down side" of the cloistered life. The book is written as a 
biography of Joseph Knecht, who joins this reclusive order as 
a young student and so flourishes in it that he becomes
Magister Ludi -- literally "master of the game" -- the high
lama or master of the order. Only trouble is, Knecht has begun
to realize that the intel

[FairfieldLife] Re: Inaccessibility

[mahavid3h]

For an example of how to achieve this ideal of inaccessibility in todays world, 
see here http://preview.tinyurl.com/299takd
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> Third, the theory:
> "The art of a hunter is to become inaccessible. To be inaccessible means
> that you touch the world around you sparingly. You don't expose yourself
> to the power of the wind unless it is mandatory. You don't use and
> squeeze people until they have shriveled to nothing, especially the
> people you love.
> 
> "To be unavailable means that you deliberately avoid exhausting yourself
> and others. It means that you are not hungry and desperate.
> 
> "A hunter knows he will lure game into his traps over and over again, so
> he doesn't worry. To worry is to become accessible, unwittingly
> accessible. And once you worry you cling to anything out of desperation;
> and once you cling you are bound to get exhausted or to exhaust whoever
> or whatever you are clinging to.
> 
> "To be inaccessible does not mean to hide or to be secretive. It doesn't
> mean that you cannot deal with people either. A hunter uses his world
> sparingly and with tenderness regardless of whether the world might be
> things, or plants, or animals, or people, or power. A hunter deals
> intimately with his world and yet he is inaccessible to that same world.
> He is inaccessible because he's not squeezing his world out of shape. He
> taps it lightly, stays for as long as he needs to, and then swiftly
> moves away leaving hardly a mark."
> -- Carlos Castaneda, Journey To Ixtlan
> 

>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "highest goal in life" as IDEA

[mahavid3h]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mahavid3h"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mahavid3h"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > Below you actually argue that you have no issue with
> > > > > Nr.1 only with Nr. 2, correct?
> > > > 
> > > > Not correct, on a nitpick. I'm not "arguing."
> > > 
> > > Incorrect nitpick. First definition of "argue" in my
> > > dictionary:
> > > 
> > > "to give reasons for or against something : REASON"
> > 
> > Yes, that is exactly what I had in mind, he gave the reason
> > that he has no issue with enlightenment as a goal per se.
> > I'm not into convincing anybody or trying to win a debate.
> > (Who would be the judge anyway?) I am simply having fun in 
> > exchanging logical arguments - as a kind of sport. 
> > 
> > And it would be totally okay, if I was just talking to
> > myself btw.
> 
> Interesting idea, to think of conversations on forums
> like this as being like talking to yourself, since the
> other person isn't "here" with you.

Right- it can be like this with letters too, you can write a letter about a 
spiritual topic, and about your life, explaining it to someone, and in doing so 
you have to give a certain order to things, *express* them, make them more 
manifest somehow. No matter if you send the letter or not, that already helps.

Apart from that, I do think what I can get out of any type of activity, apart 
from the direct fun or entertainment-value. I have no illusions of trying to 
change a particular person that I don't even know - I wouldn't even want to 
involve in somebody elses Karma to be very honest. So I think of it more of a 
debating club - where you learn to take a position and express the pros and 
cons etc.


 (I know that isn't
> what you meant; I'm just playing with the thought.) 

Yes, in some way that is true. In this case I was trying to figure out the 
general line of arguments, and presenting it to Barry, as a matter of choice. 
The first line of argument he rejected - which is his good right, even though I 
thought it was a good line worthy of exploring. The second line of 
argumentation he more or less oversaw, not really commenting on it. In any 
case, I see it more like a sort of sport, and appreciate the insight I gain 
myself from it.

You
> could think of their part of the conversation as your
> subconscious arguing with your ego, or something along
> those lines.

Something along those lines. 

> > Apart from that, I simply wanted to save Barrys soul.
> > That's okay isn't it?
> > ;-)
> 
> You betcha. I'm sure he'll be very grateful. ;-)

Well, thats what he said. At least that's how I understood him.
:-o

[FairfieldLife] Re: Soccer: octopussy Paul's prediction!

[hermandan0]

Could be. He's shown such tendencies in the past.
On the other hand, he could just be talking trash.
We'll see how today's game goes. I don't know that I'd bet money on his say so.


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0  wrote:
> >
> > My two-legged four year old nephew who, has correctly predicted all but one 
> > world cup game, says it's Germany against Spain and then Germany for the 
> > World Cup. 
> > 
> > He doesn't know anything about the topless sunbathers in Spain. ;)
> 
> I seem to recall for instance Lisa Williams thinks most kids
> under some 5 years of age are, well, psychic, or whatever! :D
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul "predicted" Spain shall beat Germany!
> > > > > The latter badly needs more YFfers? :/
> > > > 
> > > > So we're down to it: Paul the Octopus says Spain,
> > > > and my prediction (based on whether the bare-breasted 
> > > > German women or Spanish women were getting more attention
> > > > on the beach) says Germany.
> > > > 
> > > > Oh, the drama of it all. I can barely wait until tomorrow
> > > > night to find out whether eight tentacles or hundreds
> > > > of bare breasts rule the world of prognostication.  :-)
> > > >
> > > 
> > > "The eight-legged two-year-old called Paul has correctly predicted the 
> > > outcome of every Germany match at the World Cup so far."
> > > 
> > > I find it next to impossible that Spain shall win as
> > > Paul "predicted", but if that happens, what would be
> > > the probability of him every time picking the "correct" mussel?
> > > 
> > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/2de4s3s
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Spiritual Places

[Buck]

Thanks for the description, sounds like a very spiritual place
to be.
A concentrated or high ratio place spiritually like 
Fairfield is.

-Buck in FF


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mahavid3h"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> Interesting find. I didn't know they have so many satsang groups in the USA. 
> I just was in Tiruvannamalai about 3 weeks ago for a short visit. It is 
> always interesting and nice there, it was still summertime, so not too many 
> westerners, the 'satsang season' hadn't opened yet. I visited Ramanashram of 
> course, went to the Virupaksha Cave every day, visited the main temple, and 
> saw the two lady saints there, Shivashakti Ma  
> http://www.sivasakthiammaiyar.com/ and Aum Amma. I really liked both of them. 
> http://aumamma.com/ Both of them don't charge any money, and don't give 
> talks. 
> 
> I think ShivaShakti rarely speaks at all. Except in the high summer, she 
> gives Darshan every morning 10am in silence. People meditate, usually with 
> closed eyes, while she walks in, and either sits down hereself to meditate, 
> or stands and walks around from person to person. I could clearly feel the 
> Shakti emanating from her, very quiet, consoling, and emiting a lot of love. 
> She walks out just as quietly.
> 
> Aum Amma lives a little outside Tiru, about 5 kms, and she gives Darshan less 
> frequent, once a week on Sundays at present. As I wasn't staying until then, 
> I tried for an out of schedule extra Darshan. I waited at her house 
> approximately 2 hours, meditating and then I got the most beautiful meeting 
> with her. When Aum Amma appeared first in Tiru, she was living in a cave on 
> the mountain, so she was also called  'Cave Amma'. She is also more like an 
> Avadhuta, can do weird things at Darshan I hear, and is less predictable.
> 
> I have friends there living in Tiru, who link to both Ammas, switching from 
> one to the other sometimes. I also saw Thuli Baba, who now has an Ashram 
> outside of Thiru and teaches Advaita. http://preview.tinyurl.com/36x85u8 He 
> is basically almost naked, except for a lion-cloth, speaks only Tamil, but 
> has a few western disciples around him, many of them are friends of mine. He 
> is very font of the Ribhu Gita and reads it also in public. 
> 
> There are other saints in Tiru, but they are less accessable, like Nannagaru 
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/2vlgd9w whom I once met 12 years ago. He comes to 
> Tiru only once a month, so one has to check when he is there. There is also a 
> big Ashram of Yogi Rama (Ramsuratkumar) who is now deceased, but free food is 
> given to anybody at lunchtime, there is a beautiful spacious Satsang hall 
> with Samadhi, and a nice meditation room at the top. There is also the Ashram 
> of Lakshma Swami and Sharada  Ma, but they are less accessable.
> 
> 
> All in all, Tiruvannamalai is a great place, which has its own spiritual 
> scene, and there is the opportunity to meet lesser known saints and teachers 
> for no fee (like there is in all of India, but then you have to know the 
> places and know the language)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo [movie]

[merudanda]

>
> I watched the second of the films last night. Not
> as good as the first IMO, but interesting. Lisbeth
> is a little like Dexter in that you can't keep your
> eyes off of her, even though you know she's off the
> map in terms of right and wrong. I think the novels
> have been so popular (best-selling novels in Scan-
> dinavian history) not only because so many women
> identify with her angst, but because the novels
> celebrate the vigilante "payback" idea born from
> that angst. What they seem to lack, based on having
> seen two of the three movies now and not having
> read the novels, is any concept of being able to
> "move on" and live one's life *in spite of* the
> things that happen to one, not in a kind of per-
> petual "payback mode" trying to make someone "pay"
> for the things that have happened.
>
> Still, in a world of Sex and the City 2 and The
> Last Airbender, these movies are a welcome relief.
> As was Dexter. Ya gotta love him, even though he
> is insane. Similarly, ya gotta love Lisbeth, even
> though she's more than a little insane, too. It's
> good when appreciating the "Death Wish" vigilante
> characters one sees onscreen that even though it
> "feels good" to watch them waste the bad guys,
> it's neither their job to waste them nor their
> right to waste them. In other words, it's good
> IMO to remember that the vigilante you are cheer-
> ing for is insane, and part of you is equally
> insane in cheering them on.
interesting, thought provoking   characterization
>
> > What a great read. Highly recommend it.
A middle-aged financial journalist named Mikael Blomkvist , and an
emotionally damaged young computer hacker, Lisbeth Salander , what a
combination!
Let me show You the beginning of part three with the the original
title:"Luftslottet som sprängdes", literal translation from Swedish:
"The Air Castle that was blown up"IMHO a better title
(forgive any typo)
"PART I
INTERMEZZO IN A CORRIDOR

8 – 12.iv
it is estimated that some six hundred women served during
the American Civil War. They had signed up disguised as
men. Hollywood has missed a significant chapter of cultural
history here – or is this history ideologically too difficult to
deal with? Historians have often struggled to deal with
women who do not respect gender distinctions, and
nowhere is that distinction more sharply drawn than in the
question of armed combat. (Even today, it can cause
controversy having a woman on a typically Swedish moose
hunt.)

But from antiquity to modern times, there are many stories
of female warriors, of Amazons. The best known find their
way into the history books as warrior queens, rulers as well
as leaders. They have been forced to act as any Churchill,
Stalin, or Roosevelt: Semiramis from Nineveh, who shaped
the Assyrian Empire, and Boudicca, who led one of the
bloodiest English revolts against the Roman forces of
occupation, to cite just two. Boudicca is honoured with a
statue on the Thames at Westminster Bridge, right
opposite Big Ben. Be sure to say hello to her if you happen
to pass by.

On the other hand, history is quite reticent about women
who were common soldiers, who bore arms, belonged to
regiments, and played their part in battle on the same
terms as men. Hardly a war has been waged without
women soldiers in the ranks. ."
http://www.gallica.co.uk/celts/BOUDICA/boudicca.jpg
  http://www.gallica.co.uk/celts/boudica.htm


Very interesting are so many Skandinavian writer eg. Henning Mankell,
Peter Hoeg, and their greatest influence on these rising writers  Per
Wahloo and Maj Sjowall . And not to forget the best anlysis of
Skandanavian psyche by Henrik Ibsen
Most of the new rising star writer seem to  describe the relationship
between business, social hypocrisy and criminal behaviour, connects the
insiders—the rich and powerful—and the outsiders, represented by
the poor, the exploited and the vulnerable.
These heroes do not want to be rescued through any form of conventional
state intervention.  (see "vigilante"theme by Uncle Tantra)
Interesting read: Leif G.W. Persson's "Fall of the Welfare
State"— ...
but  let's be all for  today
How about focus on the relationship Larsson intends to make between
Boudicca and  a emotionally damaged young computer hacker, Lisbeth
Salander in his last published book

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "highest goal in life" as IDEA

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mahavid3h"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mahavid3h"  wrote:
> > 
> > > > Below you actually argue that you have no issue with
> > > > Nr.1 only with Nr. 2, correct?
> > > 
> > > Not correct, on a nitpick. I'm not "arguing."
> > 
> > Incorrect nitpick. First definition of "argue" in my
> > dictionary:
> > 
> > "to give reasons for or against something : REASON"
> 
> Yes, that is exactly what I had in mind, he gave the reason
> that he has no issue with enlightenment as a goal per se.
> I'm not into convincing anybody or trying to win a debate.
> (Who would be the judge anyway?) I am simply having fun in 
> exchanging logical arguments - as a kind of sport. 
> 
> And it would be totally okay, if I was just talking to
> myself btw.

Interesting idea, to think of conversations on forums
like this as being like talking to yourself, since the
other person isn't "here" with you. (I know that isn't
what you meant; I'm just playing with the thought.) You
could think of their part of the conversation as your
subconscious arguing with your ego, or something along
those lines.

> Apart from that, I simply wanted to save Barrys soul.
> That's okay isn't it?
> ;-)

You betcha. I'm sure he'll be very grateful. ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "highest goal in life" as IDEA

[mahavid3h]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:


> As for #2, I have to nitpick again. You said "a
> highest goal." I said "THE highest goal." 

With intention, because this is how I perceive it. I intentionally did not 
formulate it in an absolutist way.

There 
> is a difference, and one that should be obvious
> to anyone who has paid their dues in the TMO or
> in other spiritual trips that claim that enlight-
> enment is the highest goal.

I am not interested in anything TM or the TMO.

> The *presentation* of enlightenment as the highest
> *possible* goal, with no other goal being as "high"
> or as worthy, is what I have an issue with.

But that's not what I started arguing for: You inserted the word 'possible' 
only now, making the same statement, which could have been a statement of 
personal choice and intent, an absolutist and intolerant one. This is not how 
you started out.


 I've
> seen this piece of dogma ruin lives, as people got
> so "into" the pursuit of enlightenment as the only
> goal in life worth pursuing that they turned into
> total flakes and lost all touch with reality. AND
> their sense of well-being, since they were by def-
> inition at every moment pursuing something they
> felt they had not yet "attained."

Aspirin in the right dose is a very helpful medicine, too much of it could kill 
you. The same is true here: In ideal, highest or otherwise is not bad in and of 
itself, but it could be if it is interpreted in  a wrong and unbalanced way.

 
> Back when I was a TM state coordinator, I heard of
> and had to peripherally deal with the example of a
> young guy who was so "one-pointed" in his quest for
> enlightenment that he stole money from his family's
> bank accounts to pay for "the next course," the one
> that (of course, given the inevitable TMO sales pitch)
> would be the one that would finally do it, and allow
> him to realize enlightenment. It was like pulling 
> teeth to get the TMO to give the money back when his
> parents demanded it, and in the end they gave back
> only a portion of the money. Do you feel that this 
> is balanced behavior?

No it isn't. First of all enlightenment cannot be bought, that's a totally 
wrong idea. Then you can not force it, there is no course - nor will there ever 
be - to GIVE you enlightenment. The 'I' of the doer is itself the greatest 
obstacle to its achievment - despite of all this, it could very well be an 
ideal that one holds highest.

> 
> It's also not normal behavior, more of an example of
> extreme behavior. 

Exactly! It's just that: extreme behaviour. It's unethical to steal money, it 
is karmically wrong, and without getting your karma clear, you don't get 
enlightened. Everybody is responsible for his/her own actions, and we have to 
bear the consequences. We all create our own karma IMHO


But I would bet that everyone on 
> this forum knows of examples of people who let their
> family or business responsibilities slide just to go
> on that "next big course," the one that was finally
> going to get them enlightened.

You are citing an example lying back in time how many years? 30, 35, 40? Do you 
have no example more recent? The spiritual scene has changed quite a bit. Why 
not cite a more recent example if this is such a universal problem with ideals.

> 
> My point is that I think -- for many reasons -- that
> calling enlightenment the "highest" possible goal in
> life is a Classically Bad Idea, pragmatically and
> karmically. Your mileage may vary on this.

If you leave off the word *possible*, which leaves no choice for other people 
to think differently, this is a totally wrong conclusion. Because you jump from 
an extreme example and generalize it to be true for all 'highest ideals'. Now 
you leave the cat off the bag - your question wasn't innocent, but a set-up, 
why didn't you start out with your opinion right away?
 


> > Okay, I will try to deal with it. First I must say, that this 
> > formulation 'Enlightenment as highest goal' is not from me, and 
> > I would formulate it differently, but never mind, I clearly 
> > subscribe to a hierarchical order of ideals. That is I would 
> > say, that enlightenment is higher in order than others.
> 
> How much higher? 

Higher than ice-cream after lunch, but not incompatible with it :-) That's the 
whole point you are missing: Everything in life has its time in life, 
enlightenment is not a goal that can be forced. Its an ideal, like it is an 
ideal like the 'impeccable warrior' of Carlos Castanedian fame, or the 
inaccessibility of the hunter. :-) (which is probably very important in a 
hunters society)

That is, could you list some of the
> other ideals or goals in life that you feel enlightenment 
> is "higher" than? Is "helping others" lower than gaining
> your own enlightenment? 

No, it is not lower at all. Many great enlightened saints did a lot to help 
others, like feeding the poor, building schools etc. As it happens, I am myself 
involved in su

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: ABC News video about Fairfield & TM

[Dick Mays]

Great 5 min video on ABC News about Fairfield, Maharishi Vedic City and TM.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/transcendental-meditation-vedic-city-iowa/story?id=9218475
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Arunachala Bhakta Bhagawat

[mahavid3h]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> http://www.arunachala.org/ashrama/bhagavat/

Interesting find. I didn't know they have so many satsang groups in the USA. I 
just was in Tiruvannamalai about 3 weeks ago for a short visit. It is always 
interesting and nice there, it was still summertime, so not too many 
westerners, the 'satsang season' hadn't opened yet. I visited Ramanashram of 
course, went to the Virupaksha Cave every day, visited the main temple, and saw 
the two lady saints there, Shivashakti Ma  http://www.sivasakthiammaiyar.com/ 
and Aum Amma. I really liked both of them. http://aumamma.com/ Both of them 
don't charge any money, and don't give talks. 

I think ShivaShakti rarely speaks at all. Except in the high summer, she gives 
Darshan every morning 10am in silence. People meditate, usually with closed 
eyes, while she walks in, and either sits down hereself to meditate, or stands 
and walks around from person to person. I could clearly feel the Shakti 
emanating from her, very quiet, consoling, and emiting a lot of love. She walks 
out just as quietly.

Aum Amma lives a little outside Tiru, about 5 kms, and she gives Darshan less 
frequent, once a week on Sundays at present. As I wasn't staying until then, I 
tried for an out of schedule extra Darshan. I waited at her house approximately 
2 hours, meditating and then I got the most beautiful meeting with her. When 
Aum Amma appeared first in Tiru, she was living in a cave on the mountain, so 
she was also called  'Cave Amma'. She is also more like an Avadhuta, can do 
weird things at Darshan I hear, and is less predictable.

I have friends there living in Tiru, who link to both Ammas, switching from one 
to the other sometimes. I also saw Thuli Baba, who now has an Ashram outside of 
Thiru and teaches Advaita. http://preview.tinyurl.com/36x85u8 He is basically 
almost naked, except for a lion-cloth, speaks only Tamil, but has a few western 
disciples around him, many of them are friends of mine. He is very font of the 
Ribhu Gita and reads it also in public. 

There are other saints in Tiru, but they are less accessable, like Nannagaru 
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2vlgd9w whom I once met 12 years ago. He comes to 
Tiru only once a month, so one has to check when he is there. There is also a 
big Ashram of Yogi Rama (Ramsuratkumar) who is now deceased, but free food is 
given to anybody at lunchtime, there is a beautiful spacious Satsang hall with 
Samadhi, and a nice meditation room at the top. There is also the Ashram of 
Lakshma Swami and Sharada  Ma, but they are less accessable.


All in all, Tiruvannamalai is a great place, which has its own spiritual scene, 
and there is the opportunity to meet lesser known saints and teachers for no 
fee (like there is in all of India, but then you have to know the places and 
know the language)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Soccer: octopussy Paul's prediction!

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0  wrote:
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> My two-legged four year old nephew who, has correctly predicted all but one 
> world cup game, says it's Germany against Spain and then Germany for the 
> World Cup. 
> 
> He doesn't know anything about the topless sunbathers in Spain. ;)

I seem to recall for instance Lisa Williams thinks most kids
under some 5 years of age are, well, psychic, or whatever! :D


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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
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> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
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> > > > Paul "predicted" Spain shall beat Germany!
> > > > The latter badly needs more YFfers? :/
> > > 
> > > So we're down to it: Paul the Octopus says Spain,
> > > and my prediction (based on whether the bare-breasted 
> > > German women or Spanish women were getting more attention
> > > on the beach) says Germany.
> > > 
> > > Oh, the drama of it all. I can barely wait until tomorrow
> > > night to find out whether eight tentacles or hundreds
> > > of bare breasts rule the world of prognostication.  :-)
> > >
> > 
> > "The eight-legged two-year-old called Paul has correctly predicted the 
> > outcome of every Germany match at the World Cup so far."
> > 
> > I find it next to impossible that Spain shall win as
> > Paul "predicted", but if that happens, what would be
> > the probability of him every time picking the "correct" mussel?
> > 
> > http://preview.tinyurl.com/2de4s3s
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo [movie]

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
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> > There also appears to be a TV series based on the same
> > novels, called "Millennium." I don't know whether it
> > goes over some of the same material as the films or
> > springboards off of them and goes in new directions, but
> > it stars the same duo, so I'll definitely check it out.
> 
> The Millennium Trilogy, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, The 
> Girl Who Played with Fire and The Girl Who Kicked the Hornets' 
> Nest are novels written by Stieg Larsson and published in 2005, 
> 2006 and 2007.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Trilogy
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> Millennium the TV series aired on Fox from 1996 to 1999.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_%28TV_series%29

Not the same Millenium at all. Different creator,
cast, plot, and characters. The new Millennium
TV series is Swedish, and stars the same duo
in the movies.

> Millennium is the name of the magazine, published by Larsson's 
> central character, journalist, Mikael Blomkvist. The TV series 
> and the books are not related.
> 
> I just finished reading the trilogy non-stop. Loved Lisbeth 
> Salander. What a great kick-some-ass character.
> 
> I was curious to know how Larsson died and I discovered a 
> fascinating interview with his mate Eva Gabrielsson. 
> http://www.stieglarsson.com/biography-eva-gabrielsson
> 
> Eva said Larsson had witnessed the gang rape of a girl when he 
> was 14 and because of that he always considered himself a 
> feminist. Larsson's trilogy has a very strong feminist thread 
> throughout. No bad deed, or violence against a woman goes 
> unpunished, especially if you're messing with Lisbeth Salander. 

I agree that Lizbeth is an interesting character;
she's also one of the unhappiest characters in the
history of literature, brilliant but so traumatized
by her life that she turns into a one-woman psycho
vigilante squad from time to time. I can see why
*you* would think of her as a good feminist.  :-)

I watched the second of the films last night. Not
as good as the first IMO, but interesting. Lisbeth
is a little like Dexter in that you can't keep your
eyes off of her, even though you know she's off the
map in terms of right and wrong. I think the novels
have been so popular (best-selling novels in Scan-
dinavian history) not only because so many women
identify with her angst, but because the novels
celebrate the vigilante "payback" idea born from
that angst. What they seem to lack, based on having
seen two of the three movies now and not having
read the novels, is any concept of being able to
"move on" and live one's life *in spite of* the
things that happen to one, not in a kind of per-
petual "payback mode" trying to make someone "pay"
for the things that have happened.

Still, in a world of Sex and the City 2 and The
Last Airbender, these movies are a welcome relief.
As was Dexter. Ya gotta love him, even though he
is insane. Similarly, ya gotta love Lisbeth, even
though she's more than a little insane, too. It's
good when appreciating the "Death Wish" vigilante
characters one sees onscreen that even though it
"feels good" to watch them waste the bad guys,
it's neither their job to waste them nor their
right to waste them. In other words, it's good
IMO to remember that the vigilante you are cheer-
ing for is insane, and part of you is equally
insane in cheering them on.

> What a great read. Highly recommend it.