[FairfieldLife] Looks like the Mean Girls are hungry this morning :-)
The posting week is less than five hours old, their team is a man down, and yet they've managed to fire off 13 I'm *insulting* you...you *have* to react to me...you just *HAVE* to posts so far, with nary a response. And they were SO hoping for a good meal, too... :-) [https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1003155_6202\ 37574667060_124684626_n.jpg]
[FairfieldLife] ME and QE?
Is it at least remotely possible that ME could be based on Quantum Entanglement, or is that absolutely outta question??
[FairfieldLife] Re: ME and QE?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote: Is it at least remotely possible that ME could be based on Quantum Entanglement, or is that absolutely outta question?? Wiki: In quantum entanglement, part of the transfer happens instantaneously.[8] Repeated experiments have verified that this works even when the measurements are performed more quickly than light could travel between the sites of measurement: there is no slower-than-light influence that can pass between the entangled particles.[9] Recent experiments have shown that this transfer occurs at least 10,000 times faster than the speed of light;[10] this merely establishes a lower limit to the speed it may actually be instantaneous.[11]
[FairfieldLife] Re: ME and QE?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote: Is it at least remotely possible that ME could be based on Quantum Entanglement, or is that absolutely outta question?? Wiki: In quantum entanglement, part of the transfer happens instantaneously.[8] Repeated experiments have verified that this works even when the measurements are performed more quickly than light could travel between the sites of measurement: there is no slower-than-light influence that can pass between the entangled particles.[9] Recent experiments have shown that this transfer occurs at least 10,000 times faster than the speed of light;[10] this merely establishes a lower limit to the speed it may actually be instantaneous.[11] ?Bunch of YF'fers in the middle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Uncertainty_principle.gif
[FairfieldLife] Free Man In Paris, the next f'ing version after that...
Ah, a long, leisurely petit déjeuner by the Seine. Un café crème, croissant, une tartine avec beurre et confitures, et jus d'oranges. No smurf soufflé...that's only on the dinner menu. :-) As touristy in some ways as it is, I do like living near Le Départ, because it's a fascinating place to sit and watch people. Paris at this time of year is largely empty, most of its population away on vacation, but the place is full of tourists, and sooner or later they all come here, and emerge from the St. Michel Metro stop right in front of me, walk twenty steps, and catch their first glimpse of Notre Dame. This is always an interesting moment to watch. Some react with giddy joy and Snoopy-dancing, as if to express, Wow! Notre Dame. I made it here! Others react with awe. Some of their kids react with, OMG...*not* another f'ing church! Can't we go to a game arcade? The Japanese and many of the Americans react by whipping out their cameras and capturing the moment, so that they can prove to their friends back home -- sometimes *in* the moment, via Instagram -- that they actually *are* here. The teenage boys miss Notre Dame altogether, because they're busy watching the butts of the teenage girls; they, for their part, also miss the cathedral because they're busy fluffing their hair and posing so as to make their butts look perkier. :-) The tourist couples kiss and hug each other. The tourist singles surreptitiously check out the teenage boys and girls and wish that they could kiss and hug them. Visiting priests and nuns from all over the world cross themselves and practice looking holier and more inspired than their fellow priests and nuns. The tour group from the Twilight Years In The Twilight Zone Rest Home lean on their canes and walkers and gaze at the cathedral, unimpressed and still grousing that the meal at their pension last night was terrible...and the portions were so small, too. And some just smile, and sigh, and relax, as if realizing, Hey! I'm really in Paris. How cool is that?! I like the last group the best. I can identify...
[FairfieldLife] A veritable musical treasure
One can make a case (and I have in the past) that the single greatest album in the history of rock or popular music is Van Morrison's 1968 Astral Weeks. Recorded in three short sessions in New York, with a group of musicians he'd never met before and with no lead sheets or charts, half of the songs not even fully written yet and improvised on the spot, Astral Weeks was -- and remains -- a masterpiece of the highest order. Today I learned that in 2008, forty years later, Van performed the whole of Astral Weeks live at the Hollywood Bowl. And it was recorded, on DVD. Oh joy. The love that loves to love incarnate. Passed along for those who also know and love the album, and for those who haven't had that experience yet: http://johannasvisions.com/concert-film-van-morrison-astral-weeks-live-2008/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: For what it is worth, the long-term EEG of TMers tends to be different than that found in people practicing concentrative (generic mantra meditation, such as the RR, compassion meditation, etc) or mindfulness practices. As well, these two practices tend to suppress the parts of the brain thought to be associated with sense of self, so on these measures, at least, TM and most other forms of meditation have opposite effects. Perhaps on some more fundamental level, all meditation practices lead to the same place, and group meditation involving more than one school of meditation will indeed be beneficial for all concerned, but based on the theory that group meditation leads to synergy between practitioners, the current physiological evidence suggests that TMers and practitioners of other types of meditation aren't really going to reinforce any known aspect of their respective practices by getting together and practicing in groups. Yet another reason to keep the access to the Domes strictly limited to people we know are doing TM. The valid points you bring forward are only scratching the surface, further research will show the dramatic uniqueness of Transcendental Meditation compared to other techniques. And who knows, on day even Buck will understand the need for the strictess possible rules of access to the Domes :-)
[FairfieldLife] The speed of light just got a lot slower
http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/26/4559762/darmstadt-researchers-stop-light-one-minute-quantum-computing This reminds me of slow glass in Bob Shaw's classic scifi short story Light Of Other Days. http://strick.net/blog/041103.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_light
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, some f'ing version...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Settling into my first writing cafe of the evening, I find myself in a very Zen-like state. Doing nothing in one of my favorite spots in Paris is a blessing. I always live in a hotel within 200m or so of that place, enjoy :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Sugar Really Toxic?
Xeno, thank you for the info. I like Mercola's courage and persistence. OTOH I think the FDA probably has only 1 or 2 people at the top who really care about helping people be healthier. I don't believe Mercola about everything, but I appreciate the presence of his opposing voice, which offers people another take on issues like vaccines and mammograms for example. Also I think the govt would love to put him out of business. What better way to do that than to discredit him? I currently use and am grateful for his spray Vit D, especially when there are 2 or 3 cloudy days in a row. I'm sure Mercola has his flaws as we all do. But I think he provides a valuable service and he often offers useful info about the best way to exercise, etc. I've never had any problems with his company or products. He pushes buttons on a big scale (-: From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 9:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Sugar Really Toxic? Mercola shows a lot of quack tendencies. I would not trust him. Sugar obviously affects the body, our evolutionary history indicates that high amounts of sugar were not part of our diet until some 10,000 years ago, at which time, human stature dropped about 6 inches in height and many modern diseases began to show up. But that is not necessarily all caused by diet. Agriculture resulted in larger groups of people living together, and probably not walking and running as much as previously as humans began to settle in one location rather than constantly traveling. Sweet cake knocks me for a loop, but peanut mms don't affect me so much. Research on the effect of food is very difficult to perform, but any physician or pseudo-physician that starts claiming that there is a single source for myriads of problems is probably wrong, particularly if it applies to diet. Not necessarily always, but usually. Rats (or mice) fed pure fructose show enlarged hearts. But they metabolise fructose differently than humans. We like sugar. Even so-called natural cereal vendors now are lacing their products with extra sugar, because without it they taste like cardboard. 'If we could give every individual the right amount of nourishment and exercise, not too little and not too much, we would have found the safest way to health.' --Hippocrates 'Science is the father of knowledge, but opinion breeds ignorance.' --Hippocrates --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Hi Xeno, thanks for this. Well there will always be some 96 year old woman who smoked every day of her life and wasn't bothered by the harmful effects of cigarettes. Yay for her, you go girl! But I'm gonna go with the statistics on this one, thank you! And with the stats on sugar. You mean the statistics in Xeno's article, right? OTOH, maybe Woody Allen got it right in Sleeper: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yCeFmn_e2c What sugar MIGHT be doing to your brain: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/09/02/fructose-affects-brain-health.aspx I believe I told you awhile back that Mercola is considered a quack. From Wikipedia: Views and controversy Mercola operates mercola.com, which he has described as the most popular alternative-health website on the Internet.[3] The site reportedly brought in about $7 million in 2010 through the sale of a variety of alternative medicine treatments and dietary supplements. An article in BusinessWeek was critical of his website's aggressive direct-marketing tactics and complained of Mercola's lack of respect for his site's visitors, writing: Mercola gives the lie to the notion that holistic practitioners tend to be so absorbed in treating patients that they aren't effective businesspeople. While Mercola on his site seeks to identify with this image by distinguishing himself from all the greed-motivated hype out there in health-care land, he is a master promoter, using every trick of traditional and Internet direct marketing to grow his business... He is selling health-care products and services, and is calling upon an unfortunate tradition made famous by the old-time snake oil salesmen of the 1800s.[3] Phyllis Entis, a microbiologist and food safety expert, highlighted Mercola.com as an example of websites likely to mislead consumers by offering one-sided, incomplete, inaccurate, or misleading information.[12] The Better Business Bureau, responding to complaints including allegations that Mercola did not honor an advertised money-back guarantee, gave the website a grade of 'F'.[4] Mercola has also received three warning letters from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for violations of U.S. marketing laws. The first two letters, dated 2005 and 2006,[13][14] charged
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, some f'ing version...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Settling into my first writing cafe of the evening, I find myself in a very Zen-like state. Doing nothing in one of my favorite spots in Paris is a blessing. I always live in a hotel within 200m or so of that place, enjoy :-) And the group meditation is nearby? A great virtue of Fairfield is that the group meditation and the cafes are nearby one another. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looks like the Mean Girls are hungry this morning :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: The posting week is less than five hours old, their team is a man down, and yet they've managed to fire off 13 I'm *insulting* you...you *have* to react to me...you just *HAVE* to posts so far Says Barry, reacting to us. ;-) , with nary a response. And they were SO hoping for a good meal, too... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looks like the Mean Girls are hungry this morning :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: The posting week is less than five hours old, their team is a man down, and yet they've managed to fire off 13 I'm *insulting* you...you *have* to react to me...you just *HAVE* to posts so far, with nary a response. And they were SO hoping for a good meal, too... :-) [https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1003155_6202\ \ 37574667060_124684626_n.jpg] The posting week is less than five hours old and already our most unimaginative and self-deluded lonely man in Paris is patting himself on his own back for some imagined victory. In the strange world only this individual can truly understand he feels he is somehow victorious by not responding to posts. Does this person realize that virtually every single one if his blatherings IS a response? Take the one above - if it isn't directed to his enemies than who does he think it is speaking to? All every single post of Barry's is missing is the capacity to actually address anything relevant or to take any sort of personal responsibility for the mountain of unsubstantiated claims he makes. As long as he remains at FFL his entire focus is on those he purports to care nothing about. He is, poor slob, forever fated to be doing the very thing he thinks he is not engaged in - obsessing and engaging with - those who have his number. Barry, the ultimate bumbler with his head, often inadvertently, buried in the sand.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Man In Paris, the next f'ing version after that...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: Ah, a long, leisurely petit déjeuner by the Seine. Un café crème, croissant, une tartine avec beurre et confitures, et jus d'oranges. No smurf soufflé...that's only on the dinner menu. :-) As touristy in some ways as it is, I do like living near Le Départ, because it's a fascinating place to sit and watch people. Paris at this time of year is largely empty, most of its population away on vacation, but the place is full of tourists, and sooner or later they all come here, and emerge from the St. Michel Metro stop right in front of me, walk twenty steps, and catch their first glimpse of Notre Dame. This is always an interesting moment to watch. Some react with giddy joy and Snoopy-dancing, as if to express, Wow! Notre Dame. I made it here! Others react with awe. Some of their kids react with, OMG...*not* another f'ing church! Can't we go to a game arcade? The Japanese and many of the Americans react by whipping out their cameras and capturing the moment, so that they can prove to their friends back home -- sometimes *in* the moment, via Instagram -- that they actually *are* here. The teenage boys miss Notre Dame altogether, because they're busy watching the butts of the teenage girls; they, for their part, also miss the cathedral because they're busy fluffing their hair and posing so as to make their butts look perkier. :-) The tourist couples kiss and hug each other. The tourist singles surreptitiously check out the teenage boys and girls and wish that they could kiss and hug them. Visiting priests and nuns from all over the world cross themselves and practice looking holier and more inspired than their fellow priests and nuns. The tour group from the Twilight Years In The Twilight Zone Rest Home lean on their canes and walkers and gaze at the cathedral, unimpressed and still grousing that the meal at their pension last night was terrible...and the portions were so small, too. And some just smile, and sigh, and relax, as if realizing, Hey! I'm really in Paris. How cool is that?! I like the last group the best. I can identify...
[FairfieldLife] To Ann, Judy, Ravi
Ann, Judy, Ravi -
Alas, I am an unregenerate generalist. Platitudinous, gelatinous and vague,
abstract universal constructs are kind of the way I see the world now. I am not
normally concerned with people's thoughts about motivations. Based on my own
experience, I assume others have some kind of internal process going on out of
which their speech, writing and behaviour flow. But I think of that as a
process, a physical process that follows along the lines of the laws of
physics. I really do see the universe as being rather mechanical. It flows
along mysteriously but seems to have some kind of definable processes and
structure, whose ultimate details will elude me.
The mind that I experience is part of that process. It goes on by itself. The
things 'I' see are part of that process. This thing about motivation and blame
just is not real to me unless one of those buttons, hidden away in the process
gets pushed, and the mind contracts. That is a mechanical stimulus response.
What I see of others is what they say and do, not how they see the world, but
what they do in the world. My response to that is pretty much a foregone
conclusion even if I am unaware of the specific processes that lead to that
response. Ravi is entirely correct in the way I would respond, that is 'my'
nature. I live that nature, it is not necessary to make up explanations for my
motivation. They *feel* like motivations at times, but since they happen
whether 'I' want them to or not, it is not germane to make up specific
explanations that seem to explain them in terms of empathic concepts, in terms
of good and evil concepts. That is a fantasy to me. That each of you do what
you do, and that Barry does what he does is part of the process of life as I
see it, like ripples in the river as it flows by.
In another post I composited an image from Google Earth's roving camera car
output showing the scene Barry was describing, though at a different time of
day. That gave me a way to visualise the scene he was describing, for I have
never been to France. Very urban. I am in New York City sometimes. I really do
not like urban settings that well. I tend to like the countryside where it is
quiet. Barry is very cosmopolitan. That is what he seems to like. That is fine
with me. This constant concern with motivations is a bore to me, like watching
a soap opera like Days of Our Lives: 'Like sands through the hourglass, so are
the days of our lives', NBC TV show. These dramas have no substantial arch
plot; they are all interpersonal interaction on the conceptual level of
motivation and blame and guilt. Button pushing in the extreme disguised as
human life. Everyone wanders about in these dramas as if they are living in a
comatose, low-grade emergency situation. You watch these things and you become
comatose (my sister watches these things). If this is how you live your life,
you are comatose ('If' is propositional, an hypothesis, and thus it is not a
statement of how you live your live from my perspective).
Barry at least seems to be having the time of his life. I think that is fine.
You need something more anthemic in your lives than these picky disputes.
Anthemic: refers to music that has a presence, an atmospheric feel that lifts
one out of the ordinary into something more glorious and magnificent. Now maybe
you have some of this grandeur in your lives, but it does not show through in
what you write very much. Barry at least is showing us some of what his life is
like. What he wants us to see of course, but I find it interesting at times and
not interesting at times. If Barry had my life, he would be bored to death. If
you had my life, you would be a different sex (except Ravi, but who knows,
maybe he would like to switch) and your concerns would not be at all what they
are now.
Barry also at times touches on the concepts that are supposedly central to
Fairfield Life. He does discuss experience that revolves around that much
maligned concept that goes by the name 'enlightenment'. It is OK to use that
word, but its significance is not really what people imagine it to be, it is
part of the process of learning to live life, of removing what we construe to
be the obstacles to living a full life. That process is the anthemic theme that
drives us to seek, and hopefully, to find.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Sugar Really Toxic?
The scientific evidence for the effectiveness of vaccines in preventing disease, and in fact epidemics, is very strong. A few people have adverse reactions to some of the ingredients in vaccines, for example, eggs. Occasionally these reactions are very damaging. On the whole though, the anti-vaccination crowd has very little solid evidence to bolster their case which seems to be largely an emotional issue with them. When a licensed physician is recommending some treatment that is out of the mainstream of scientific knowledge, it pays to be very careful, and to do some independent research on the subject. I think when a non physician recommends something that is out of the mainstream of scientific knowledge, one ought be even more suspicious. Traditional medical systems have the pretense of authority because they have been handed down for so long, but that does not in any way constitute evidence of effectiveness, since it has been repeatedly shown that people are strongly influenced by the placebo effect, and that non medical fake treatments can produce substantial effects in people. So a treatment that has been around for a long time is not necessarily any better than nothing. And there are many treatments in modern medicine that have also not been scientifically screened for effectiveness, particularly in the field of surgery. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, thank you for the info. I like Mercola's courage and persistence. OTOH I think the FDA probably has only 1 or 2 people at the top who really care about helping people be healthier. I don't believe Mercola about everything, but I appreciate the presence of his opposing voice, which offers people another take on issues like vaccines and mammograms for example. Also I think the govt would love to put him out of business. What better way to do that than to discredit him? I currently use and am grateful for his spray Vit D, especially when there are 2 or 3 cloudy days in a row. I'm sure Mercola has his flaws as we all do. But I think he provides a valuable service and he often offers useful info about the best way to exercise, etc. I've never had any problems with his company or products. He pushes buttons on a big scale (-: From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 9:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Sugar Really Toxic? Â Mercola shows a lot of quack tendencies. I would not trust him. Sugar obviously affects the body, our evolutionary history indicates that high amounts of sugar were not part of our diet until some 10,000 years ago, at which time, human stature dropped about 6 inches in height and many modern diseases began to show up. But that is not necessarily all caused by diet. Agriculture resulted in larger groups of people living together, and probably not walking and running as much as previously as humans began to settle in one location rather than constantly traveling. Sweet cake knocks me for a loop, but peanut mms don't affect me so much. Research on the effect of food is very difficult to perform, but any physician or pseudo-physician that starts claiming that there is a single source for myriads of problems is probably wrong, particularly if it applies to diet. Not necessarily always, but usually. Rats (or mice) fed pure fructose show enlarged hearts. But they metabolise fructose differently than humans. We like sugar. Even so-called natural cereal vendors now are lacing their products with extra sugar, because without it they taste like cardboard. 'If we could give every individual the right amount of nourishment and exercise, not too little and not too much, we would have found the safest way to health.' --Hippocrates 'Science is the father of knowledge, but opinion breeds ignorance.' --Hippocrates --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Hi Xeno, thanks for this. Well there will always be some 96 year old woman who smoked every day of her life and wasn't bothered by the harmful effects of cigarettes. Yay for her, you go girl! But I'm gonna go with the statistics on this one, thank you! And with the stats on sugar. You mean the statistics in Xeno's article, right? OTOH, maybe Woody Allen got it right in Sleeper: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yCeFmn_e2c What sugar MIGHT be doing to your brain: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/09/02/fructose-affects-brain-health.aspx I believe I told you awhile back that Mercola is considered a quack. From Wikipedia: Views and controversy Mercola operates mercola.com, which he has described as the most popular alternative-health website on the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jr. High Mean Girl cliques, and why guys join them
Dudy, I wouldn't dare leave FFL lest you get out of practice jousting with a woman! I didn't want to shame shamers in my post and wasn't clear how to avoid doing that. Thus I resorted to questions, hoping to guide the conversation in a practical direction. I agree with Ken Kesey who said that everything in life is either for our growth or for our enjoyment. So in that sense one could say that everything in life is the teacher or lover du jour, of the moment, either helping us grow or eliciting our enjoyment. Or both! I often find that FFL is therapeutic, especially when a post makes me LOL. As turq says YMMV. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 8:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jr. High Mean Girl cliques, and why guys join them --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: turq and FFL parents, teachers, elders: how do we help ourselves and others grow without shaming? How do we help ourselves and others drop harmful behavior while nurturing healthy self esteem? How do we tell ourselves and others that a behavior is unacceptable but the person is accepted? (You're asking *Barry*??) Share, here's a news flash for you: FFL is not a therapy group. We are not here to help each other grow or to nurture each other's self-esteem. Ditch the smarmy, patronizing, pretentious psychobabble, please. If you feel your unacceptable behavior makes you personally unacceptable on FFL, either change your behavior or go somewhere else. And BTW, your questions are disingenuous on their face. You aren't asking for thoughts or information, you're attempting to shame the people you feel are shaming others.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Sugar Really Toxic?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Xeno, thank you for the info. I like Mercola's courage and persistence. To paraphrase Liberace, Mercola is courageous and persistent all the way to the bank. This is an aerial view of his 5,000-plus-square-foot, $2 million mansion in South Barrington, Illinois, purchased in 2006. OTOH I think the FDA probably has only 1 or 2 people at the top who really care about helping people be healthier. And the reason you think this is...? I don't believe Mercola about everything, but I appreciate the presence of his opposing voice, which offers people another take on issues like vaccines and mammograms for example. Right, it's always important for there to be an opposing voice, even if what that voice is saying is clearly wrong and often outright dangerous. Also I think the govt would love to put him out of business. What better way to do that than to discredit him? This is a bit of brilliant logic that could only have come from Share. I currently use and am grateful for his spray Vit D, especially when there are 2 or 3 cloudy days in a row. Yes, such days are a terrible threat to one's health. I'm sure Mercola has his flaws as we all do. But I think he provides a valuable service and he often offers useful info about the best way to exercise, etc. And of course nobody else but Mercola offers such information. I've never had any problems with his company or products. That you know of, you mean. He pushes buttons on a big scale (-: Yes, quacks do tend to push the buttons of those who want people to have reliable information about matters of health. It just doesn't seem right that a quack can get rich by deliberately misleading the gullible. I think this is my favorite claim of his: Mercola has questioned whether HIV is the cause of AIDS. He has argued instead that the manifestations of AIDS (including opportunistic infections and death) may be the result of 'psychological stress' brought on by the belief that HIV is harmful. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 9:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Sugar Really Toxic? Â Mercola shows a lot of quack tendencies. I would not trust him. Sugar obviously affects the body, our evolutionary history indicates that high amounts of sugar were not part of our diet until some 10,000 years ago, at which time, human stature dropped about 6 inches in height and many modern diseases began to show up. But that is not necessarily all caused by diet. Agriculture resulted in larger groups of people living together, and probably not walking and running as much as previously as humans began to settle in one location rather than constantly traveling. Sweet cake knocks me for a loop, but peanut mms don't affect me so much. Research on the effect of food is very difficult to perform, but any physician or pseudo-physician that starts claiming that there is a single source for myriads of problems is probably wrong, particularly if it applies to diet. Not necessarily always, but usually. Rats (or mice) fed pure fructose show enlarged hearts. But they metabolise fructose differently than humans. We like sugar. Even so-called natural cereal vendors now are lacing their products with extra sugar, because without it they taste like cardboard. 'If we could give every individual the right amount of nourishment and exercise, not too little and not too much, we would have found the safest way to health.' --Hippocrates 'Science is the father of knowledge, but opinion breeds ignorance.' --Hippocrates --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Hi Xeno, thanks for this. Well there will always be some 96 year old woman who smoked every day of her life and wasn't bothered by the harmful effects of cigarettes. Yay for her, you go girl! But I'm gonna go with the statistics on this one, thank you! And with the stats on sugar. You mean the statistics in Xeno's article, right? OTOH, maybe Woody Allen got it right in Sleeper: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yCeFmn_e2c What sugar MIGHT be doing to your brain: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/09/02/fructose-a\ ffects-brain-health.aspx I believe I told you awhile back that Mercola is considered a quack. From Wikipedia: Views and controversy Mercola operates mercola.com, which he has described as the most popular alternative-health website on the Internet.[3] The site reportedly brought in about $7 million in 2010 through the sale of a variety of alternative medicine treatments and dietary supplements. An article in BusinessWeek was critical of his website's aggressive direct-marketing tactics and complained of Mercola's lack of respect for his site's visitors, writing: Mercola gives the lie to the notion that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Sugar Really Toxic?
Xeno, thanks again. I had polio vaccines and recently read that during the time I got them, they were contaminated with something that is now shown to cause cancer. More evidence that seeking good health is a crap shoot, karma driven IMHO. And like you said before, though in different words, then one gets mowed down by badly driven vehicle anyway! So I consider all the options and make my choices. For example, back in 2000, people told me not to have my gall bladder removed. Two physicians recommended it, one of them being an ayurvedic doc. Plus I read about death from stones in common bile ducts. That sealed the deal. I went ahead with the surgery and felt immensely better afterwards. Butting in to your post to Judy, Ann, Ravi: It is beautiful this morning. Sunlight is filtering through the sugar maple in front of my townhouse, the dapples on the venetian blinds like some shadow puppet show performed by playful aliens. A breeze is jiggling the glass of an outside lamp making a noise that should annoy me but doesn't. From west to east, fresh air is filling my little abode. This is all the grandeur I need. And yes, it would probably bore many to death. Yet this is the fullness of life that fills me up over and over again. Best of all: I can't really tell if it's coming from the inside or the outside. Gratitude big time. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Sugar Really Toxic? The scientific evidence for the effectiveness of vaccines in preventing disease, and in fact epidemics, is very strong. A few people have adverse reactions to some of the ingredients in vaccines, for example, eggs. Occasionally these reactions are very damaging. On the whole though, the anti-vaccination crowd has very little solid evidence to bolster their case which seems to be largely an emotional issue with them. When a licensed physician is recommending some treatment that is out of the mainstream of scientific knowledge, it pays to be very careful, and to do some independent research on the subject. I think when a non physician recommends something that is out of the mainstream of scientific knowledge, one ought be even more suspicious. Traditional medical systems have the pretense of authority because they have been handed down for so long, but that does not in any way constitute evidence of effectiveness, since it has been repeatedly shown that people are strongly influenced by the placebo effect, and that non medical fake treatments can produce substantial effects in people. So a treatment that has been around for a long time is not necessarily any better than nothing. And there are many treatments in modern medicine that have also not been scientifically screened for effectiveness, particularly in the field of surgery. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, thank you for the info. I like Mercola's courage and persistence. OTOH I think the FDA probably has only 1 or 2 people at the top who really care about helping people be healthier. I don't believe Mercola about everything, but I appreciate the presence of his opposing voice, which offers people another take on issues like vaccines and mammograms for example. Also I think the govt would love to put him out of business. What better way to do that than to discredit him? I currently use and am grateful for his spray Vit D, especially when there are 2 or 3 cloudy days in a row. I'm sure Mercola has his flaws as we all do. But I think he provides a valuable service and he often offers useful info about the best way to exercise, etc. I've never had any problems with his company or products. He pushes buttons on a big scale (-: From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 9:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Sugar Really Toxic? Â Mercola shows a lot of quack tendencies. I would not trust him. Sugar obviously affects the body, our evolutionary history indicates that high amounts of sugar were not part of our diet until some 10,000 years ago, at which time, human stature dropped about 6 inches in height and many modern diseases began to show up. But that is not necessarily all caused by diet. Agriculture resulted in larger groups of people living together, and probably not walking and running as much as previously as humans began to settle in one location rather than constantly traveling. Sweet cake knocks me for a loop, but peanut mms don't affect me so much. Research on the effect of food is very difficult to perform, but any physician or pseudo-physician that starts claiming that there is a single source for myriads of problems is probably wrong, particularly if it applies
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Sugar Really Toxic?
There has been extensive research concerning that issue and no research has found any reason to think that people who got even the contaminated polio vaccine have a higher cancer rate than other people. A few people, over the years, apparently have gotten polio from some of the early vaccines, but no-one has every gotten cancer. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, thanks again. I had polio vaccines and recently read that during the time I got them, they were contaminated with something that is now shown to cause cancer. More evidence that seeking good health is a crap shoot, karma driven IMHO. And like you said before, though in different words, then one gets mowed down by badly driven vehicle anyway! So I consider all the options and make my choices. For example, back in 2000, people told me not to have my gall bladder removed. Two physicians recommended it, one of them being an ayurvedic doc. Plus I read about death from stones in common bile ducts. That sealed the deal. I went ahead with the surgery and felt immensely better afterwards. Butting in to your post to Judy, Ann, Ravi: It is beautiful this morning. Sunlight is filtering through the sugar maple in front of my townhouse, the dapples on the venetian blinds like some shadow puppet show performed by playful aliens. A breeze is jiggling the glass of an outside lamp making a noise that should annoy me but doesn't. From west to east, fresh air is filling my little abode. This is all the grandeur I need. And yes, it would probably bore many to death. Yet this is the fullness of life that fills me up over and over again. Best of all: I can't really tell if it's coming from the inside or the outside. Gratitude big time. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Sugar Really Toxic? Â The scientific evidence for the effectiveness of vaccines in preventing disease, and in fact epidemics, is very strong. A few people have adverse reactions to some of the ingredients in vaccines, for example, eggs. Occasionally these reactions are very damaging. On the whole though, the anti-vaccination crowd has very little solid evidence to bolster their case which seems to be largely an emotional issue with them. When a licensed physician is recommending some treatment that is out of the mainstream of scientific knowledge, it pays to be very careful, and to do some independent research on the subject. I think when a non physician recommends something that is out of the mainstream of scientific knowledge, one ought be even more suspicious. Traditional medical systems have the pretense of authority because they have been handed down for so long, but that does not in any way constitute evidence of effectiveness, since it has been repeatedly shown that people are strongly influenced by the placebo effect, and that non medical fake treatments can produce substantial effects in people. So a treatment that has been around for a long time is not necessarily any better than nothing. And there are many treatments in modern medicine that have also not been scientifically screened for effectiveness, particularly in the field of surgery. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Xeno, thank you for the info. I like Mercola's courage and persistence. OTOH I think the FDA probably has only 1 or 2 people at the top who really care about helping people be healthier. I don't believe Mercola about everything, but I appreciate the presence of his opposing voice, which offers people another take on issues like vaccines and mammograms for example. Also I think the govt would love to put him out of business. What better way to do that than to discredit him? I currently use and am grateful for his spray Vit D, especially when there are 2 or 3 cloudy days in a row. I'm sure Mercola has his flaws as we all do. But I think he provides a valuable service and he often offers useful info about the best way to exercise, etc. I've never had any problems with his company or products. He pushes buttons on a big scale (-: From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 9:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Sugar Really Toxic? ÃÂ Mercola shows a lot of quack tendencies. I would not trust him. Sugar obviously affects the body, our evolutionary history indicates that high amounts of sugar were not part of our diet until some 10,000 years ago, at which time, human stature dropped about 6 inches in height and many modern diseases began to show up. But that is not necessarily all caused by diet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jr. High Mean Girl cliques, and why guys join them
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Dudy, I wouldn't dare leave FFL lest you get out of practice jousting with a woman! Oh, do you joust with women differently than you joust with men, Whare? Interesting. I didn't want to shame shamers in my post and wasn't clear how to avoid doing that. The best way would have been not to make the post in the first place. Thus I resorted to questions, hoping to guide the conversation in a practical direction. And you believe you were called on to guide the conversation in this particular practical direction because...? I agree with Ken Kesey who said that everything in life is either for our growth or for our enjoyment. So in that sense one could say that everything in life is the teacher or lover du jour, of the moment, either helping us grow or eliciting our enjoyment. Or both! I often find that FFL is therapeutic, especially when a post makes me LOL. As turq says YMMV. I see you were unable to grasp what I actually wrote. Give it another try: FFL is not a therapy group. We are not here to help each other grow or to nurture each other's self-esteem. Do you see why your comment was a non sequitur? If not, let me know and I'll attempt to explain it to you. FWIW, I have seen you avoid taking countless opportunities for your personal growth on FFL. Here's a hint: growth is not always coupled with enjoyment while it's happening. If you always insulate yourself from what you find painful, you're not likely to make much progress. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 8:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jr. High Mean Girl cliques, and why guys join them  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: turq and FFL parents, teachers, elders: how do we help ourselves and others grow without shaming? How do we help ourselves and others drop harmful behavior while nurturing healthy self esteem? How do we tell ourselves and others that a behavior is unacceptable but the person is accepted? (You're asking *Barry*??) Share, here's a news flash for you: FFL is not a therapy group. We are not here to help each other grow or to nurture each other's self-esteem. Ditch the smarmy, patronizing, pretentious psychobabble, please. If you feel your unacceptable behavior makes you personally unacceptable on FFL, either change your behavior or go somewhere else. And BTW, your questions are disingenuous on their face. You aren't asking for thoughts or information, you're attempting to shame the people you feel are shaming others.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Ann, Judy, Ravi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
Ann, Judy, Ravi -
Alas, I am an unregenerate generalist. Platitudinous, gelatinous and vague,
abstract universal constructs are kind of the way I see the world now. I am
not normally concerned with people's thoughts about motivations. Based on my
own experience, I assume others have some kind of internal process going on
out of which their speech, writing and behaviour flow. But I think of that as
a process, a physical process that follows along the lines of the laws of
physics. I really do see the universe as being rather mechanical. It flows
along mysteriously but seems to have some kind of definable processes and
structure, whose ultimate details will elude me.
The mind that I experience is part of that process. It goes on by itself. The
things 'I' see are part of that process. This thing about motivation and
blame just is not real to me unless one of those buttons, hidden away in the
process gets pushed, and the mind contracts. That is a mechanical stimulus
response. What I see of others is what they say and do, not how they see the
world, but what they do in the world. My response to that is pretty much a
foregone conclusion even if I am unaware of the specific processes that lead
to that response. Ravi is entirely correct in the way I would respond, that
is 'my' nature. I live that nature, it is not necessary to make up
explanations for my motivation. They *feel* like motivations at times, but
since they happen whether 'I' want them to or not, it is not germane to make
up specific explanations that seem to explain them in terms of empathic
concepts, in terms of good and evil concepts. That is a fantasy to me. That
each of you do what you do, and that Barry does what he does is part of the
process of life as I see it, like ripples in the river as it flows by.
In another post I composited an image from Google Earth's roving camera car
output showing the scene Barry was describing, though at a different time of
day. That gave me a way to visualise the scene he was describing, for I have
never been to France. Very urban. I am in New York City sometimes. I really
do not like urban settings that well. I tend to like the countryside where it
is quiet. Barry is very cosmopolitan. That is what he seems to like. That is
fine with me. This constant concern with motivations is a bore to me, like
watching a soap opera like Days of Our Lives: 'Like sands through the
hourglass, so are the days of our lives', NBC TV show. These dramas have no
substantial arch plot; they are all interpersonal interaction on the
conceptual level of motivation and blame and guilt. Button pushing in the
extreme disguised as human life. Everyone wanders about in these dramas as if
they are living in a comatose, low-grade emergency situation. You watch these
things and you become comatose (my sister watches these things). If this is
how you live your life, you are comatose ('If' is propositional, an
hypothesis, and thus it is not a statement of how you live your live from my
perspective).
Barry at least seems to be having the time of his life.
Seems is the word. It is of overwhelming importance to
Barry that we all *think* he's having the time of his life.
Some of us suspect the tone and content of most of his posts
is evidence to the contrary.
I think that is fine. You need something more anthemic in
your lives than these picky disputes. Anthemic: refers to
music that has a presence, an atmospheric feel that lifts
one out of the ordinary into something more glorious and
magnificent. Now maybe you have some of this grandeur in
your lives, but it does not show through in what you write
very much.
How can you tell, given all the disclaimers in the first
paragraphs of your post?
You try to play both ends against the middle, Xeno, and it
really is not terribly successful.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Sugar Really Toxic?
Note that some people when they run into alternative medical practices they can't understand stand sounding like ducks. ;-) The FDA has become nothing more than another fascist wing of our government. They represent the corporate elite and not the people. They should be at the forefront of making sure that GMO products are labeled. Instead asshat Obama appointed a former VP and lobbyist for Monsanto as senior advisor to the commissioner at the FDA. I like a lot of Mercola's advocacy but there are some wings of our alternate medicine that run just a bit too commercially for my tastes. He advocates metabolic typing yet the last time I looked I didn't see any of the support supplements for that kind of program there. Similarly I've seen some good ideas in the naturopathic community damaged by commercialistic MLM programs. The problem that I pointed out the other day with so many people who are doing alternative medicine including ayurveda is they only go for the reduction stroke or detox and after awhile start wasting away. One needs the tonification stroke too. In fact one needs to be so strong that food changes, weather changes, etc don't weigh much upon the body. What I think happens is people get addicted to the high the detox cycle brings. They need to get addicted to the strength the tonification cycle brings which can be surprising when you start telling people who were used to manipulating you when weak from the detox cycle to buzz off. :-D On 07/27/2013 04:56 AM, Share Long wrote: Xeno, thank you for the info. I like Mercola's courage and persistence. OTOH I think the FDA probably has only 1 or 2 people at the top who really care about helping people be healthier. I don't believe Mercola about everything, but I appreciate the presence of his opposing voice, which offers people another take on issues like vaccines and mammograms for example. Also I think the govt would love to put him out of business. What better way to do that than to discredit him? I currently use and am grateful for his spray Vit D, especially when there are 2 or 3 cloudy days in a row. I'm sure Mercola has his flaws as we all do. But I think he provides a valuable service and he often offers useful info about the best way to exercise, etc. I've never had any problems with his company or products. He pushes buttons on a big scale (-:
[FairfieldLife] Who's Driving the DreamBus?: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 07/27/2013
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[FairfieldLife] Zimmerman faked heroic car crash rescue
Zimmerman proves once again he has no problem lying to protect his self-interest. Maybe he thought he could get away with lying about being a hero because he got away with lying about how he murdered Trayvon. http://ivn.us/penigma/2013/07/25/george-zimmermans-heroic-car-crash-rescue-appears-to-be-a-fraud/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Power Struggle
Girish was at Meru for Guru Purnima so this as least partly outdated. Maharajah has been careful not to alienate anyone, instead making Kirti the mew Maharajeshwari. Anyone who does not want to be part of the global governing or financial structure won't be able to use the new unifying web design and trademark symbol(dawning tree of life) of the official movement. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: This may have been covered here. Here's what I was told: Nand Kishore, Girish, and Maharishi's niece Kirti tried to depose King Tony. Tony said let the Shankaracharya decide. So the 3 aforementioned and Bevan, their opponent in this tussle, went to the Shankaracharya, who reviewed the legal documents and heard their arguments. He sided with Bevan and upheld King Tony. But now there's this rift, and reportedly Girish is refusing to send more pundits to the US. In other news, Mother Divine is starting their own autonomous movement, for the instruction of ladies. Not sure of the relationship between that and the regular movement, or whether the regular movement is happy about it. Some internal squabbling going on, for sure. This is all 2nd hand and probably contains inaccuracies and leaves out a lot of juicy details.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Sugar Really Toxic?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Note that some people when they run into alternative medical practices they can't understand stand sounding like ducks. ;-) And this is a version of what Bhairitu always claims when someone doesn't go along with his conspiracy theories.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Looks like the Mean Girls are hungry this morning :-)
On 07/26/2013 11:08 PM, turquoiseb wrote: The posting week is less than five hours old, their team is a man down, and yet they've managed to fire off 13 I'm *insulting* you...you *have* to react to me...you just *HAVE* to posts so far, with nary a response. And they were SO hoping for a good meal, too... :-) [https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/1003155_6202\ 37574667060_124684626_n.jpg] They say that age 30 is the new age 50. So that means we have some senile 90 year olds posting here. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Must read: on popularization of QM! :D
http://anti-matters.org/articles/9/public/9-9-1-PB.pdf
Re: [FairfieldLife] Zimmerman faked heroic car crash rescue
ROFLMAO! Wow, set up a straw-man and knock it down. The key word here is *APPEARS*. Why couldn't they have the balls to say it *was* a fraud? I'll tell you why , because they embellished the original story so they could knock it down, LOL. Loved the comments following the *story*, how could he lifted the car, Nobody ever said he lifted anything.LOL! Just loved the story juror B29 told this week, Zimmerman was guilty of murder but there just wasn't any *evidence*, so the law couldn't let me convict. My hands were tied by the law. Incredible, the law just won't let us convict somebody of murder based on intuition and no evidence. What is this world coming to? Lawd H'mercy! From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Zimmerman faked heroic car crash rescue Zimmerman proves once again he has no problem lying to protect his self-interest. Maybe he thought he could get away with lying about being a hero because he got away with lying about how he murdered Trayvon. http://ivn.us/penigma/2013/07/25/george-zimmermans-heroic-car-crash-rescue-appears-to-be-a-fraud/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting
dear merudanda, edg is another poster on FFL who recently wrote: We're all getting out of the changing business, right? Of course on one level everything is changing all the time. And yet there is that which doesn't change, only it's not a that. Except: I am That Thou art That All this is That That alone is. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ1LI-NTa2s What's the buziness, yeah who is Edg? you can away the part that represents the thing that scarred you I'm addicted to life If you just press your fingers down under my skin Don't take my life away From a distance, .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: As time and tears go by, nothing changes, according to edg, cuz we're out of that bizness... hopefullya Tune-Yards of layers with ukulele, voice, and electric bass while watching kids playing may help From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 3:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqYEGt1iBW4 It is the evening of the day, I sit and watch the children play. Doin' things I used to do they think are new. I sit and watch as tears go by. Mm..Mm 'The original title was As Time Goes By. It was changed to avoid confusion with the song from Casablanca. Do not miss the description and Marianne Faithfull. As tears go by (incl.B.Epstein an P.Anka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf9w2hJIqUk and Faithfull live 2005 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dweOoYHQ9ek --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: sniff, sniff, sob, sob, boo hoo to you, dear merudanda, I thought you would understand, yes, and love, nay adore, my wonderful insights about movies and neurons and such. Well that proves one thing: I should have gone the route of whats his face and myths and deep brain structures, collective unconscious and all that stuff. But no, I've succumbed to the scientific warblings of salyavin and Dr. Dan Siegel and Dr. Lehary, all these neuroscientists and their plastic heads! Anyway, kiss, kiss, glad you're back for the nonce. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting  LOL Oh my dear sunshine What a Stroke of Insight Speech.What a culmination of all the thoughts and experiences I have had up to this very moment. Reading this new neural pathways are forged, my neuroplasti-cied brain is changing and subtle altered. C'mon give me more , Ann. You know with repetition only this delightful pathway you created in me will and can be strengthened --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: snip I wonder how many directors created their films in order to fire up the neuronal pathways of their viewers. I can see it now, Oscar speech: And I want to credit my life-long desire to create a firing of neuronal pathways within the brains of my audience as the primary force behind my creative endeavors. May your neurons be forever stimulated, especially when I make a sequel to my current, award-winning picture. And a special thanks goes to my mom who was instrumental in creating my own neuronal pathways. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Ann, Judy, Ravi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Ann, Judy, Ravi - Alas, I am an unregenerate generalist. Platitudinous, gelatinous and vague, abstract universal constructs are kind of the way I see the world now. I am not normally concerned with people's thoughts about motivations. Based on my own experience, I assume others have some kind of internal process going on out of which their speech, writing and behaviour flow. But I think of that as a process, a physical process that follows along the lines of the laws of physics. I really do see the universe as being rather mechanical. It flows along mysteriously but seems to have some kind of definable processes and structure, whose ultimate details will elude me. dRshyam: kRtaarthaM prati *naSTam*! :D
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Ann, Judy, Ravi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
Ann, Judy, Ravi -
Alas, I am an unregenerate generalist. Platitudinous, gelatinous and vague,
abstract universal constructs are kind of the way I see the world now. I am
not normally concerned with people's thoughts about motivations. Based on my
own experience, I assume others have some kind of internal process going on
out of which their speech, writing and behaviour flow.
Of course they do.
But I think of that as a process, a physical process that follows along the
lines of the laws of physics. I really do see the universe as being rather
mechanical. It flows along mysteriously but seems to have some kind of
definable processes and structure, whose ultimate details will elude me.
They certainly not only seem to elude you but you don't appear to care to
understand them. This is fine but it sets you up for a double standard when you
'applaud' the actions of one person whose manipulations are calculated to
mislead. Then when others object to falsehoods being spouted and they are
pointed at as if they are silly for objecting you would have to be just a teeny
bit curious about what motivates the liar/ridiculer for acting as they do,
wouldn't you? I mean as a normally functioning human being you'd have to but
you apparently aren't. You simply seem to accept the offensive maneuvers of the
one party and reject/judge the defensive actions of the second party. There is
a degree of favoritism and lack of objectivity here, Spock.
The mind that I experience is part of that process. It goes on by itself. The
things 'I' see are part of that process. This thing about motivation and
blame just is not real to me unless one of those buttons, hidden away in the
process gets pushed, and the mind contracts. That is a mechanical stimulus
response. What I see of others is what they say and do, not how they see the
world, but what they do in the world. My response to that is pretty much a
foregone conclusion even if I am unaware of the specific processes that lead
to that response. Ravi is entirely correct in the way I would respond, that
is 'my' nature. I live that nature, it is not necessary to make up
explanations for my motivation. They *feel* like motivations at times, but
since they happen whether 'I' want them to or not, it is not germane to make
up specific explanations that seem to explain them in terms of empathic
concepts, in terms of good and evil concepts. That is a fantasy to me. That
each of you do what you do, and that Barry does what he does is part of the
process of life as I see it, like ripples in the river as it flows by.
Xeno, what are you talking about that in any way relates to the
subject/questions I asked you? Baffledy gobbledy gook.
In another post I composited an image from Google Earth's roving camera car
output showing the scene Barry was describing, though at a different time of
day. That gave me a way to visualise the scene he was describing, for I have
never been to France. Very urban. I am in New York City sometimes. I really
do not like urban settings that well. I tend to like the countryside where it
is quiet. Barry is very cosmopolitan. That is what he seems to like. That is
fine with me. This constant concern with motivations is a bore to me, like
watching a soap opera like Days of Our Lives: 'Like sands through the
hourglass, so are the days of our lives', NBC TV show. These dramas have no
substantial arch plot; they are all interpersonal interaction on the
conceptual level of motivation and blame and guilt. Button pushing in the
extreme disguised as human life. Everyone wanders about in these dramas as if
they are living in a comatose, low-grade emergency situation. You watch these
things and you become comatose (my sister watches these things). If this is
how you live your life, you are comatose ('If' is propositional, an
hypothesis, and thus it is not a statement of how you live your live from my
perspective).
What are you actually saying? That life resembles a soap opera if you question
motivation?
Barry at least seems to be having the time of his life.
This is irrelevant to the subject of motivation. Barry could have won the 50
million dollar lottery, have a woman on each arm, be eating caviar riding
around in a Rolls for all I care. No one is saying Barry shouldn't be living it
up and enjoying every minute of it. I am merely asking what keeps compelling
him to, in his great happiness, fulfillment and full-of-French-baguetteness, be
so outwardly prickly and distasteful? When I'm happy I don't try and push
people's buttons or start fights or make it my life's mission to cause others
to post out and then stroke myself with satisfaction like Barry does. Get it?
I think that is fine. You need something more anthemic in your lives than
these picky disputes. Anthemic: refers to music
[FairfieldLife] Bliss from a Lemon Tree
I picked three lemons from the tree in my backyard. After preparing and cooking tuna from a can, I squeezed and sprinkled the juice of one lemon onto the recipe. Then, I ate the food with rice and a can of coke. Soon, I felt a gentle bliss that's still with me as I write this post. In jyotish, the sour taste is an attribute of Venus. So, cheers!
[FairfieldLife] On Vaccines
Saw a few posts on vaccines here so here's my 2 cents. In the first place the numbers of adverse reactions to vaccines have been skewed for years by the CDC and AMA. I mean come on, use your common sense. Point A - How many people are that observant to begin with? Point B - If a mother or father notices their child is off some hours or days after a vaccine, will they relate the two events to each other? Point C - How much more will they be likely to relate a vaccine and illness or the beginning of a pervasive dysfunction with the child when their pediatrician tells them the two things have no correlation? Point D - If the parents report the incident, how many doctors are willing to send in the report to the CDC? If there is a correlation, how many parents are willing to say their pediatrician that they know and like gave them bad advice and administered the vaccine? How many docs are willing to take responsibility for the event? Do you think every doctor and pediatrician in every practice and county health clinic are paragons of virtue? Every doctors office that administers vaccines gives out literature on vaccines in general and on the specific vaccines that are being administered to a given patient. These brochures are created by the companies that manufacture the vaccines and of course are public relations advertising in essence to make the parents comfortable with their choice. Yet in this literature, every single one I have ever seen has a mildly stated warning that there are known reactions to the vaccines that can as they put it, in rare cases even result in permanent injury, illness and or death. This is from the manufactures themselves. You have to look at the big picture: At the bottom you have the recipients of the vaccines, babies, toddlers and now increasingly teens and adults. Just above these are the parent and caregivers of the recipients. Above the parents are the doctors, nurses, nurse practitioners and others who actually order and administer the vaccines. Above the doctors are the CDC and AMA and above them are the people who run the companies that make the vaccines, Roche, Merck, Glaxo Smith Kline and so on. And SUPPOSEDLY above the vaccine companies is the FDA, an organization that SUPPOSEDLY oversees the activities of the drug companies. Be realistic. Pharmaceutical companies like most businesses exist to make money. They put forth PR that makes them appear to exist as guardians of the health and well being of humanity. That is bullshit. They exist to make money. Nothing wrong with that, but they put those vaccines out to make money, not any other reason. Look at the kinds of vaccines they are making today. Chicken Pox? What bullshit. They focusing on making vaccines people don't need, then pay state legislators under the table to MANDATE by state law that all school kids have to have the vaccine and thus insure themselves billions of dollars in profits for years to come. These pharmaceutical companies are some of the most unethical companies in existence today. Look at what they did some years ago in South Africa when the South African government was going to make sure the many AIDS victims there would have access to cheaper generic AIDS drugs. A whole slew of the Big Pharma companies banded together and began to sue the South African gov't to force them to not make these drugs available. The ONLY reason they backed off was the hue and cry that erupted all over the world by pretty everyone who had a decent bone in their body. The same drug corporations who make the vaccines are also making drugs in various unethical ways. Meaning they pay crooked doctors to run drug trials to give them the results they want. They have gotten busted on this any number of times. They will pay generic drug makers millions of dollars to NOT make generic drugs so the original makers can continue to reap huge profits. It never fails that when a drug patent is about to expire, the drug manufacturer suddenly trots out a brand new study (that is about as honest and reliable as most of the TM studies) that tells the world Lo! and Behold! their drug that was for asthma for example may suddenly be effective in treating Alzheimer's or gout or somethings equally improbable. Under existing FDA rules, if a drug is found to be effective for something other than its original use, the patent is extended for another few years and no one can legally make any generic versions. Not only that but if you watch any tv these days, night and day the drug ads are ever present hawking drugs that have a plethora of side effects. The drug companies and the tv networks blithely inform us that the drugs they are selling can give us cancer, cause liver damage, kidney damage, give rise to suicidal behavior, cause heart attacks and strokes even give people diabetes. If there were an herb or natural remedy that had even one of these effects the medical community
[FairfieldLife] Bliss from nothing
I just rolled around on the floor briefly, did a short pranayama and then evening program,, now feel like something better than opiates, I feel a kind of overwhelming satisfaction in every part of my body besides mentally feeling no need for anything more either The only problem is getting any other work done now... am I sour? hehe
[FairfieldLife] Re: Zimmerman faked heroic car crash rescue
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: ROFLMAO! Wow, set up a straw-man and knock it down. The key word here is *APPEARS*. Why couldn't they have the balls to say it *was* a fraud? I'll tell you why , because they embellished the original story so they could knock it down, LOL. Loved the comments following the *story*, how could he lifted the car, Nobody ever said he lifted anything.LOL! Just loved the story juror B29 told this week, Zimmerman was guilty of murder but there just wasn't any *evidence*, so the law couldn't let me convict. My hands were tied by the law. Incredible, the law just won't let us convict somebody of murder based on intuition and no evidence. What is this world coming to? Lawd H'mercy! Just pushing yer racist buttons, Mikey. Have a nice day, jerk off. From: raunchydog raunchydog@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Zimmerman faked heroic car crash rescue  Zimmerman proves once again he has no problem lying to protect his self-interest. Maybe he thought he could get away with lying about being a hero because he got away with lying about how he murdered Trayvon. http://ivn.us/penigma/2013/07/25/george-zimmermans-heroic-car-crash-rescue-appears-to-be-a-fraud/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bliss from a Lemon Tree
On 07/27/2013 02:36 PM, John wrote: I picked three lemons from the tree in my backyard. After preparing and cooking tuna from a can, I squeezed and sprinkled the juice of one lemon onto the recipe. Then, I ate the food with rice and a can of coke. Soon, I felt a gentle bliss that's still with me as I write this post. In jyotish, the sour taste is an attribute of Venus. So, cheers! Meyer lemons? Those are slightly sweeter than regular lemons. Mexican coke? Probably not because it only seems to come it bottles.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Zimmerman faked heroic car crash rescue
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:43 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: ROFLMAO! Wow, set up a straw-man and knock it down. The key word here is *APPEARS*. Why couldn't they have the balls to say it *was* a fraud? I'll tell you why , because they embellished the original story so they could knock it down, LOL. Loved the comments following the *story*, how could he lifted the car, Nobody ever said he lifted anything.LOL! Just loved the story juror B29 told this week, Zimmerman was guilty of murder but there just wasn't any *evidence*, so the law couldn't let me convict. My hands were tied by the law. Incredible, the law just won't let us convict somebody of murder based on intuition and no evidence. What is this world coming to? Lawd H'mercy! Just pushing yer racist buttons, Mikey. Have a nice day, jerk off. Jai Mahatma Mikey - the patron saint of the Appalachian, cattle-mating, incestuous trailer trash
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bliss from nothing
Go for a nice walk, maybe even jog a bit to raise your breathing rate. Fade that dye, dude! L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote: I just rolled around on the floor briefly, did a short pranayama and then evening program,, now feel like something better than opiates, I feel a kind of overwhelming satisfaction in every part of my body besides mentally feeling no need for anything more either The only problem is getting any other work done now... am I sour? hehe
Re: [FairfieldLife] On Vaccines
FWIW I Stopped vaccinating my kids back in 2001, they were 3 and 1 respectively. I always chose the personal exemption on the school forms, the ones that are hidden way in the back. But that didn't stop the younger one from being autistic and from being resistant to talk to date. Even though I remember him having a severe rash and allergy from the vaccination he got after he was just a few days old I suspect it's just not the vaccination. He just refuses to talk or use words unless forced to. It's an extreme case of introverted-ness with him, I'm glad I taught him the alphabet and bought a Mac (the Windows right click was too confusing for him). He became quite adept at spelling and he would spend a lot of time on the computer on Google and Youtube searching for pictures and videos of his interest - mostly related to food, cakes, icecream. He had incredible memory - he could spell all car makes (including Hummer), all bank names, all restaurants etc, anything he observed being very visual. As soon as he would step into the car he would start chanting the word music till I started playing the music. If I asked him for a particular song, he could play it from my iphone playlist. He could get terribly impatient, angry and burst into a crying fit if you didn't magically figure out what he wanted but if he got into an extroverted playful mood he would be very playful and loving. I really loved that boy. So - it's complex, you can't just blame vaccines alone. However hard and painful it was for me I had to accept that it was his choice and regardless of the fact that he is mostly non-verbal, he is an incredibly sensitive, intelligent and loving kid. On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Saw a few posts on vaccines here so here's my 2 cents. In the first place the numbers of adverse reactions to vaccines have been skewed for years by the CDC and AMA. I mean come on, use your common sense. Point A - How many people are that observant to begin with? Point B - If a mother or father notices their child is off some hours or days after a vaccine, will they relate the two events to each other? Point C - How much more will they be likely to relate a vaccine and illness or the beginning of a pervasive dysfunction with the child when their pediatrician tells them the two things have no correlation? Point D - If the parents report the incident, how many doctors are willing to send in the report to the CDC? If there is a correlation, how many parents are willing to say their pediatrician that they know and like gave them bad advice and administered the vaccine? How many docs are willing to take responsibility for the event? Do you think every doctor and pediatrician in every practice and county health clinic are paragons of virtue? Every doctors office that administers vaccines gives out literature on vaccines in general and on the specific vaccines that are being administered to a given patient. These brochures are created by the companies that manufacture the vaccines and of course are public relations advertising in essence to make the parents comfortable with their choice. Yet in this literature, every single one I have ever seen has a mildly stated warning that there are known reactions to the vaccines that can as they put it, in rare cases even result in permanent injury, illness and or death. This is from the manufactures themselves. You have to look at the big picture: At the bottom you have the recipients of the vaccines, babies, toddlers and now increasingly teens and adults. Just above these are the parent and caregivers of the recipients. Above the parents are the doctors, nurses, nurse practitioners and others who actually order and administer the vaccines. Above the doctors are the CDC and AMA and above them are the people who run the companies that make the vaccines, Roche, Merck, Glaxo Smith Kline and so on. And SUPPOSEDLY above the vaccine companies is the FDA, an organization that SUPPOSEDLY oversees the activities of the drug companies. Be realistic. Pharmaceutical companies like most businesses exist to make money. They put forth PR that makes them appear to exist as guardians of the health and well being of humanity. That is bullshit. They exist to make money. Nothing wrong with that, but they put those vaccines out to make money, not any other reason. Look at the kinds of vaccines they are making today. Chicken Pox? What bullshit. They focusing on making vaccines people don't need, then pay state legislators under the table to MANDATE by state law that all school kids have to have the vaccine and thus insure themselves billions of dollars in profits for years to come. These pharmaceutical companies are some of the most unethical companies in existence today. Look at what they did some years ago in South Africa when the South African government was going to make sure the many AIDS victims there
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bliss from a Lemon Tree
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 07/27/2013 02:36 PM, John wrote: I picked three lemons from the tree in my backyard. After preparing and cooking tuna from a can, I squeezed and sprinkled the juice of one lemon onto the recipe. Then, I ate the food with rice and a can of coke. Soon, I felt a gentle bliss that's still with me as I write this post. In jyotish, the sour taste is an attribute of Venus. So, cheers! Meyer lemons? Those are slightly sweeter than regular lemons. Mexican coke? Probably not because it only seems to come it bottles. I don't know what type of lemon tree it is. It's been here for years and am using it just as a decoration until now. But I do appreciate the smell of the leaves when I pass by it. Nope, the coke is not Mexican which often comes in a bottle. I bought a 12-pack at a major supermarket chain. Perhaps, the bliss comes from the fresh juice which has ojas in it, maybe. You guys ought to try this combination out and let us know if it works for you.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bliss from a Lemon Tree
Wow, John, just reading about your gentle bliss enlivens mine. Thank you so much for this. From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bliss from a Lemon Tree I picked three lemons from the tree in my backyard. After preparing and cooking tuna from a can, I squeezed and sprinkled the juice of one lemon onto the recipe. Then, I ate the food with rice and a can of coke. Soon, I felt a gentle bliss that's still with me as I write this post. In jyotish, the sour taste is an attribute of Venus. So, cheers!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bliss from nothing
Good advice. I remember someone reporting feeling blissy, etc. and Maharishi explained that that is exactly when a person should focus strongly and or dive into activity. I'm parphrasing of course. From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bliss from nothing Go for a nice walk, maybe even jog a bit to raise your breathing rate. Fade that dye, dude! L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote: I just rolled around on the floor briefly, did a short pranayama and then evening program,, now feel like something better than opiates, I feel a kind of overwhelming satisfaction in every part of my body besides mentally feeling no need for anything more either The only problem is getting any other work done now... am I sour? hehe
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bliss from a Lemon Tree
Share, My recipe is simple. I chopped a small portion of white onions and green bell pepper. Then, I let it sautee on a small portion of olive oil. Then I added slices of tomatoes. When the onions were slightly brown, I added one can of tuna to mix with the preparation. I let the tuna cook until its slightly dry and brown. Then, I added the squeezed lemon for the bliss effect. Voila and bona petite! JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Wow, John, just reading about your gentle bliss enlivens mine. Thank you so much for this. From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bliss from a Lemon Tree  I picked three lemons from the tree in my backyard. After preparing and cooking tuna from a can, I squeezed and sprinkled the juice of one lemon onto the recipe. Then, I ate the food with rice and a can of coke. Soon, I felt a gentle bliss that's still with me as I write this post. In jyotish, the sour taste is an attribute of Venus. So, cheers!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Power Struggle
Om, this TM movement seems very controversial. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote: Girish was at Meru for Guru Purnima so this as least partly outdated. Maharajah has been careful not to alienate anyone, instead making Kirti the mew Maharajeshwari. Anyone who does not want to be part of the global governing or financial structure won't be able to use the new unifying web design and trademark symbol(dawning tree of life) of the official movement. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: This may have been covered here. Here's what I was told: Nand Kishore, Girish, and Maharishi's niece Kirti tried to depose King Tony. Tony said let the Shankaracharya decide. So the 3 aforementioned and Bevan, their opponent in this tussle, went to the Shankaracharya, who reviewed the legal documents and heard their arguments. He sided with Bevan and upheld King Tony. But now there's this rift, and reportedly Girish is refusing to send more pundits to the US. In other news, Mother Divine is starting their own autonomous movement, for the instruction of ladies. Not sure of the relationship between that and the regular movement, or whether the regular movement is happy about it. Some internal squabbling going on, for sure. This is all 2nd hand and probably contains inaccuracies and leaves out a lot of juicy details.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bliss from a Lemon Tree
My favorite summer dish is sliced cucumbers, cut up tomatoes, feta cheese, all gently tossed with a tasty Greek salad dressing. I could enjoy it every day. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John wrote: Share, My recipe is simple. I chopped a small portion of white onions and green bell pepper. Then, I let it sautee on a small portion of olive oil. Then I added slices of tomatoes. When the onions were slightly brown, I added one can of tuna to mix with the preparation. I let the tuna cook until its slightly dry and brown. Then, I added the squeezed lemon for the bliss effect. Voila and bona petite! JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Wow, John, just reading about your gentle bliss enlivens mine. Thank you so much for this. From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bliss from a Lemon Tree  I picked three lemons from the tree in my backyard. After preparing and cooking tuna from a can, I squeezed and sprinkled the juice of one lemon onto the recipe. Then, I ate the food with rice and a can of coke. Soon, I felt a gentle bliss that's still with me as I write this post. In jyotish, the sour taste is an attribute of Venus. So, cheers!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: For what it is worth, the long-term EEG of TMers tends to be different than that found in people practicing concentrative (generic mantra meditation, such as the RR, compassion meditation, etc) or mindfulness practices. As well, these two practices tend to suppress the parts of the brain thought to be associated with sense of self, so on these measures, at least, TM and most other forms of meditation have opposite effects. Perhaps on some more fundamental level, all meditation practices lead to the same place, and group meditation involving more than one school of meditation will indeed be beneficial for all concerned, but based on the theory that group meditation leads to synergy between practitioners, the current physiological evidence suggests that TMers and practitioners of other types of meditation aren't really going to reinforce any known aspect of their respective practices by getting together and practicing in groups. L Om no that is not right. It is only part of the picture. They [the TM researchers] are not looking at the activation of the light body that happens in groups meditating. That is different than looking at alpha waves in the head. Atman man in the body. The heart. TM'ers left to themselves pretty obviously are cut off from their hearts in the mental field of their heads. A field effect value of group meditation facilitates ensoulment of the light body in the system. Science is only just getting around to seeing the heart subtle system that is the soul of the human spiritual life. It is an amazing thing to have a human life and sitting in group spiritual practice with other illumined people is very much part of the territory for spiritual life. Seek out good spiritual company and sit with it. Don't let silly things get in the way of your meditation, group meditation and your own evolution like the vile marketing of fear that TM is the only and best spiritual practice. Spiritual evolution is way more than just TM. Find a good group to meditate with where so ever you are. Best Regards, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Why shouldn't you strengthen your own vibrations through fellowship with people seeking Self-realization, and by group meditation with them? This practice will fortify your own spiritual convictions; you will find that many seemingly insuperable barriers in your life will crumble and dissolve in the waters of meditation. Your devotion and love for God [The Unified Field] will commingle with the devotion and love of others. Divine bliss will radiate from you, helping all persons you meet. [Meissner Effect]. �Paramahansa Yogananda We become like the people we mingle with, not only through their conversation, but through the silent magnetic vibration that emanates from them. When we come into the range of their magnetism we are affected. �Paramahansa Yogananda MJ, I would bet there are old style silent [what they call un-programmed] Quaker meetings to sit with near you in the South. They are group meditation founded by the law of invisible vibratory exchange of group magnetism as we would recognize now to be the spiritual Meissner Effect [ME] of meditating in groups. Group meetings to practice the techniques of meditation are vitally important. Group meetings strengthen the individual Self-realization that one has acquired in private at home. �Paramahansa Yogananda � Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these parts. Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the space bros making crop circles, but so far no luck. � Well sadly, it is about proper values. Conservative meditator that I am, I should have these lost people at reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati. Really MJ, these people's time should be so much better spent if only just sitting reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati. Studying at: http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/ Jai Guru Dev [SBS], -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Great quote on group meditation, the invisible vibratory exchange of group magnetism. Yes certainly, the spirituality of the Meissner Effect [ME] of meditation in group meditation practice. Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual aspirants as well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases the degree of Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of invisible vibratory exchange of group
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
Well, in the context of attempting to measure what is going on physiologically, I know of no research on the light body. There's research on brain imaging of people who practice compassion meditation and research on their behavior as well as brain activity when presented with morally challenging situations, but that's still general physiological and behavioral studies... L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: For what it is worth, the long-term EEG of TMers tends to be different than that found in people practicing concentrative (generic mantra meditation, such as the RR, compassion meditation, etc) or mindfulness practices. As well, these two practices tend to suppress the parts of the brain thought to be associated with sense of self, so on these measures, at least, TM and most other forms of meditation have opposite effects. Perhaps on some more fundamental level, all meditation practices lead to the same place, and group meditation involving more than one school of meditation will indeed be beneficial for all concerned, but based on the theory that group meditation leads to synergy between practitioners, the current physiological evidence suggests that TMers and practitioners of other types of meditation aren't really going to reinforce any known aspect of their respective practices by getting together and practicing in groups. L Om no that is not right. It is only part of the picture. They [the TM researchers] are not looking at the activation of the light body that happens in groups meditating. That is different than looking at alpha waves in the head. Atman man in the body. The heart. TM'ers left to themselves pretty obviously are cut off from their hearts in the mental field of their heads. A field effect value of group meditation facilitates ensoulment of the light body in the system. Science is only just getting around to seeing the heart subtle system that is the soul of the human spiritual life. It is an amazing thing to have a human life and sitting in group spiritual practice with other illumined people is very much part of the territory for spiritual life. Seek out good spiritual company and sit with it. Don't let silly things get in the way of your meditation, group meditation and your own evolution like the vile marketing of fear that TM is the only and best spiritual practice. Spiritual evolution is way more than just TM. Find a good group to meditate with where so ever you are. Best Regards, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Why shouldn't you strengthen your own vibrations through fellowship with people seeking Self-realization, and by group meditation with them? This practice will fortify your own spiritual convictions; you will find that many seemingly insuperable barriers in your life will crumble and dissolve in the waters of meditation. Your devotion and love for God [The Unified Field] will commingle with the devotion and love of others. Divine bliss will radiate from you, helping all persons you meet. [Meissner Effect]. �Paramahansa Yogananda We become like the people we mingle with, not only through their conversation, but through the silent magnetic vibration that emanates from them. When we come into the range of their magnetism we are affected. �Paramahansa Yogananda MJ, I would bet there are old style silent [what they call un-programmed] Quaker meetings to sit with near you in the South. They are group meditation founded by the law of invisible vibratory exchange of group magnetism as we would recognize now to be the spiritual Meissner Effect [ME] of meditating in groups. Group meetings to practice the techniques of meditation are vitally important. Group meetings strengthen the individual Self-realization that one has acquired in private at home. �Paramahansa Yogananda � Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these parts. Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the space bros making crop circles, but so far no luck. � Well sadly, it is about proper values. Conservative meditator that I am, I should have these lost people at reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati. Really MJ, these people's time should be so much better spent if only just sitting reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati. Studying at: http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/ Jai Guru Dev [SBS], -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guiding the TM.org, Hope the NSA doesn't see this
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: why not just let go of the idea that you need a group to get you anywhere? The current state of the Movement is natural since it was always propping up Marshy's desire for money, sex and his need to be adulated. Now that he's gone it just fading away regardless of how many so-called celebrities Mr. Cussing Cigarette Smoking Weird Movie Maker parades in front of everyone. In just a few short years all these guys like Hagelin and the researchers will be looking for a job, there will be a few who try to claim they are starting their own TM Movement, like the MD women apparently are (I would love to know who is the architect of that!) but I predict again, Girish and the Srivastavas boys will be selling the property at MUM - wait and see. A Need of Group? MJ, that is valid to ask. However I know the value of group meditation by experience and it seems you don't know that value in the same way. Is in the experience and the science too. My interest and hope in this group meditation now is that they might do a better job facilitating the group meditation. That simple. It [the group meditation] evidently is quite complimentary to the spiritual system and how it works. That's the meditating experience. Having nice large group meditations is highly worthwhile and even worth moving to be close to a good group of meditators. Guru Dev [SBS] even talks about that as part of the company we keep. However we both do share here the concern over how it will go for the movement and hence for the Domes as they fight over the spoils of the estate, their even going to the ground fighting. That certainly concerns the community here a lot. There evidently is a lot in play right now inside TM with all their controversies. It is very unsettling for those of us who have our lives here. It would be terrible if Bevan or the Indians sold the Domes off. -Buck From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 6:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Guiding the TM.org, Hope the NSA doesn't see this Actually just to save you all some time, I re-wrote Chairman Mao's Quotations in to TM for the TM.org for sake of your convenience. Ewe people just don't take me seriously but mark my words here. Our great need for a broad and spiritual revolution is here and evidently in a Need now of a Collective action, do see my previous complete commentary on how it should go written in the FFL thread, The Once and Future Meditating Movement . This is certainly tried and true advice written there that evidently had been largely successful before in recent history creating broad cultural revolutionary change before and is still working successfully in legacy in broad ways. Frankly the guys running the TM movement should read my words in FFL post # 347812 if they really want to pull it off. Actually I think they would like the advice if they read it. It's extremely pertinent and not so unfamiliar to how they think any way. It is just tighter. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/347812 -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Fine, but how about a spiritual .org form of Maoism for TM and the TMO now? Time for the Red Book of Quotations for the TMO. It was amazingly transformative before in its time. What actually were its themes that transformed China from feudal to something modern, in how many decades? Anybody actually read Mao's quotations to see how they did it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 07/26/2013 02:34 PM, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 07/26/2013 06:30 AM, emptybill wrote: [https://securecdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/563/8202/origina\ l.jpg] Bet you can't even properly define Marxism. There are elements of it that are good. Much of it is just observation of what happens when you let capitalism run wild and destroy society. There has probably never been a actual implementation of Marxism. The Soviet Union failed and went Stalinist. The lesson to be learned from the French Revolution is the chopped the heads off of corrupt capitalists but then became corrupt socialists and chopped their own heads off. The kind of Marxism if at all that Obama is shown trying to revive is known at Neo-Liberalism or corporate communism. Ridley Scott refer to the world Bladerunner as corporate communism. It is not a good solution either. The solution is socialism for things that need to be in the commons and small business free enterprise for those who want to run their own businesses. Best of both worlds. Probably a too enlightened though obvious solution for an ignorant
[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
Meditate with good companions. They will help you to churn the butter of Self-realization from the milk of your mind. Milk mixes with the waters of worldly delusion and cannot float above them. Butter readily floats on those treacherous water. Swami Sri Yukteswar I have relatives who recently traveled to San Francisco who stopped and asked at a Zen temple if they could meditate silently along with the Zen group there. They were invited right in, comforted with places to sit and had really nice meditations along with the group, really good field effect. Very spiritual. Why shouldn't you strengthen your own vibrations through fellowship with people seeking Self-realization, and by group meditation with them? This practice will fortify your own spiritual convictions; you will find that many seemingly insuperable barriers in your life will crumble and dissolve in the waters of meditation. Your devotion and love for God [The Unified Field] will commingle with the devotion and love of others. Divine bliss will radiate from you, helping all persons you meet. [Meissner Effect]. Paramahansa Yogananda We become like the people we mingle with, not only through their conversation, but through the silent magnetic vibration that emanates from them. When we come into the range of their magnetism we are affected. Paramahansa Yogananda MJ, I would bet there are old style silent [what they call un-programmed] Quaker meetings to sit with near you in the South. They are group meditation founded by the law of invisible vibratory exchange of group magnetism as we would recognize now to be the spiritual Meissner Effect [ME] of meditating in groups. Group meetings to practice the techniques of meditation are vitally important. Group meetings strengthen the individual Self-realization that one has acquired in private at home. Paramahansa Yogananda Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in these parts. Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the space bros making crop circles, but so far no luck. Well sadly, it is about proper values. Conservative meditator that I am, I should have these lost people at reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati. Really MJ, these people's time should be so much better spent if only just sitting reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati. Studying at: http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/ Jai Guru Dev [SBS], -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Great quote on group meditation, the invisible vibratory exchange of group magnetism. Yes certainly, the spirituality of the Meissner Effect [ME] of meditation in group meditation practice. Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual aspirants as well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases the degree of Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of invisible vibratory exchange of group magnetism. âParamahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: I have to admit that I did always find meditating in group more fulfilling somehow than singular meditation. Now that is meditation mind you, not TMSP Just meditating. That is a fair observation. I interview folks in the larger TM meditating community here all the time and also when I travel and i commonly find your sense about meditating v TMSP. Most people here will say they are meditators [TM] but don't do the TMSP when you ask about their spiritual practice. An irony in the recent opening of a movement meditation hall in downtown Fairfield is that they sought to not accommodate meditators who would come to meditate. [Need a Course Office TMSP Badge exclusively to meditate there] They [the strict preservationists] seem determinedly out of touch with the meditating community as it is. -Buck - the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking his knuckles, people whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, many just sitting there and watching the flying (so-called flying) was a circus more than anything else. The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan stood up before the beginning of program to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bliss from a Lemon Tree
Seventhray, I picked up the lemon juice idea from a Greek restaurant in Seattle, WA. I used to eat there for lunch when I was working in the city years ago. The owner used to squeeze half a lemon for the dish that I ordered. And, it appears to work with this tuna dish too. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: My favorite summer dish is sliced cucumbers, cut up tomatoes, feta cheese, all gently tossed with a tasty Greek salad dressing. I could enjoy it every day. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John wrote: Share, My recipe is simple. I chopped a small portion of white onions and green bell pepper. Then, I let it sautee on a small portion of olive oil. Then I added slices of tomatoes. When the onions were slightly brown, I added one can of tuna to mix with the preparation. I let the tuna cook until its slightly dry and brown. Then, I added the squeezed lemon for the bliss effect. Voila and bona petite! JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Wow, John, just reading about your gentle bliss enlivens mine. Thank you so much for this. From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bliss from a Lemon Tree  I picked three lemons from the tree in my backyard. After preparing and cooking tuna from a can, I squeezed and sprinkled the juice of one lemon onto the recipe. Then, I ate the food with rice and a can of coke. Soon, I felt a gentle bliss that's still with me as I write this post. In jyotish, the sour taste is an attribute of Venus. So, cheers!
