Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Willy and Buck are two town drunks. Muttering away like the derelicts they are in the town square. Just like any town drunk, one does well to ignore them. I wonder how much spiritual development they are going to have to do before they gain the self-awareness necessary to understand that if someone were to make a "Going Clear" type documentary about the TMO featuring the denizens of FFL, it's those two who would look like the crazies. Buck the depressed whiner and Willy the repetitive ranter, there's probably psychological profiles of those types of psychosis somewhere. On 04/22/2015 04:25 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: And for their next number, the two Whiner Sisters Buck and WeeWilly, being such advanced TM meditators and invincible and all, will tell us exactly WHY a few people expressing their opinions on a public forum keep *them* from having any intelligent ideas of their own to post. *Something*, after all, must be keeping them having anything intelligent to say, because neither of them has been able to do so in years. All that either of them has been able to do is whine about how persecuted and bullied they are. So I, for one, am interested in hearing their explanation. I'm sure it will potentially be useful to other TMers in the future who will need to come up with plausible excuses for why *their* minds are so weak that they can't think of anything intelligent to contribute, either.:-) From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Richard, I am appreciating your calm clarifying of 'fallacy' here as it comes down with these clear definitions. The definitions are particularly revealing though when these arguments of fallacy get employed in method as an invective within communal discussion. It is one thing when folks might innocently make fallacious points in thinking but it becomes a different and large unkindness in nature to the discussion here whence some folks, some quite smart and capable writers, employ fallacy like these as personal invective to hurt people. This use of fallacy in personal invective is a kind of bullying which by character of some personalities has become an overtaking endemic culture here on Fairfieldlife poisoning the place as a thinking place for discussion. -'Om', the bell tolls for what once was Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:richard@... wrote : About all we're left with posting to FFL is a few science-writers, some lurking reporters, an occasional linguist and a few informants that got kicked out of the TMO decades ago. All the others left the group - now we are alone on the spiritual path. Nobody wants to give us any spiritual help. Where is Share when we need her? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community... That's the cognitive dissonance, Buck. If we are guilty by association like Salya seems to think, then everyone is a "bully" to a certain extent - it's sort of built into the system, it's a feature not a flaw. The problem is that we have no Correctors anymore, to sort of level things out, so the present inmates just get to run roughshod over the TMers. It's starting to look like there are only 3 or 4 TMers left on FFL - and only one single real TMO insider informant. So, we are probably not going to get much news about the movement on this forum. Go figure. Nothing to see here folks. Just another person trying to blame the fact that he and the people he likes can't think of anything intelligent to say on the people they don't like. Sooo, turns out that there WERE ZERO posts since last night.Just another tell that FFL is going down for the count.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self expression
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The number of electrons in the Universe has been estimated as 1080 (1 followed by 80 zeros). That's a very big number. But according to John Wheeler and Richard Feynman there is actually only one electron in the universe. That one electron is constantly and rapidly shifting its place to accommodate its many roles in life. Do you understand that? No, neither do I. Nor me. They also say that if you could make an atom exactly the same as one in, say, your fingernail it would actually be that atom! I don't understand that either, but I know Oxbridge trained physicists who don't know why so I don't feel too bad. Maybe once you reach a certain level in the world of particle physics they take you into a side room and show you a book of the "truth" about how the atoms in the universe were thrown into an ancient volcano and became our souls etc. You can't tell anyone or they take away your professorship... That'd be a laugh. Here's another idea: there are more than 7 billion people on the planet. That is 7 billion selves. But according to Advaita Vedanta there is only one self. So how about this? That one self (the witnessing mirror) is constantly and rapidly shifting from me to you to everyone else to accommodate its many roles in life. It happens so rapidly that subjectively each of us feels our personal sense of self as continuous and so unique to us. Here's another analogy: the (one) self is outside of time. The flow of time is what we experience out there - like sitting on a river bank and watching the flow of the stream. Suppose there are ten people sitting in a room interacting. Suppose there are actually ten separate worlds which replicate exactly the situation of those ten people in that room. In one of those worlds Man A's body is "occupied" by that one self; the other nine guys are "zombies" - soulless phenomena in Man A's awareness. In another of those ten identical worlds Woman B's body is "occupied" by that one self; the other nine guys are "zombies" - soulless phenomena in Woman B's awareness. And so on . . . The only consciousness in our worlds is the one we're experiencing. It's solipsism gone mad. What would this imply? That "I" am Alexander the Great raising his standard and saying "Follow me lads and we'll conquer the world". "I" am Cleopatra weaving my web to entrap Roman bigwigs. (The self is outside of time so what's past is as real as what's present or to come.) And "I" am lying on a hospital bed in West Africa dying of ebola. It's not all fun and games. ;-) So I will never die. The ethical implications are obvious. I naturally wish the best for everyone "else" as I clearly wouldn't want to see you suffer. I'm going to be sitting in your place before I finish typing this word. A Zen Master would be beating the shit out of me with his staff for this post. His insight would be instant and non-verbal. I like the idea, I've always had a weird intuition that reincarnation happens because that bit of "me" is a part of the world and someone else just uses it when they develop a brain complex enough to interact with it. I call it an intuition because I get a feeling it's right but as soon as I try and focus on it to see how it works it shifts away and distracts me. You can't see your mind working I guess. But suppose your idea is correct, we are machines - albeit flesh and blood ones - so we should be able to build a machine that can incorporate the cosmic soul in the same way we do. Suppose we then build in a device into our meat robot that the soul doesn't know about, and that traps it in one place. What happens to us? Lets get the idea mainstream and see how long it takes before Stephen Hawking issues a dire warning about the dangers...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Quite evidently thoughtful conversation takes a civil kind collaboration in self-control to have productive conversation. Some have done their poisonous work here with the communal well-spring.Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.The cultural place that was FFL seems to have been poisoned. The place evidently has died for lack of a willing collaboration as an oxygen that could include other points of view other than some caustic character of dominant internet haters and personalities in method. The cost to FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups has been the loss of a forum for communal thinking.A pervasive unkindness in ad hominem-istic snark parading as 'intellectual retort', it's the dominant 'culture' here at FFL now, as the evident lack in thoughtful community culture here. Folks otherwise have come instead to fear to spend their time thinking here reading let alone posting here. It is a sad commentary on how it has gone down for FFL. Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community.Salon, saloon or shalom; who would enter in to a place met with the likes of, “You Suck..” or “Fuck you” as first text lines or “You lying Fuck” as a subject heading? MJ, there was a long period of a poisonous malignancy here in the postings between a few people who came on before you came along and added to it in your way. FFL is just not a safe place for well-meaning people to loiter or join in hence most folks wandered out. Meditators and people around Fairfield here always go 'whew-phew' and roll their eyes about the reputation of FFL as a place for thoughtful dialogue whence FFL gets mentioned. FFL got wrecked a while ago as a community place that way. mjackson74 wrote, well Buck how do you account for the departure of all the people who used to post on FFL in the years before I joined? Looking back at the archives, there were a whole bunch of folk who had already dropped out before I came along, so the fact that Judy, Anne, Jimmy the Enlightened and Nappy Nabby jumped ship does not seem to be that much of a recent trend.Yep, even Rick chooses to post substantial material elsewhere now instead of posting to FFL as to just shark-feeding for what is left remaining of FFL. A long list of people is now gone before us who had once helped further the culture of the list, mostly been driven off by an aggressive and appalling unkindness of culture in the ongoing personal shark-like attack by the ad hominem that evidently has become endemic here; that seeming 'professionals' default to use in their writing method instead of simply dealing with material posed. And those same complain about originality, thinking and lack of creativity..Nothing to see here folks. Just another person trying to blame the fact that he and the people he likes can't think of anything intelligent to say on the people they don't like. :-)Good timing, Turqb,Left or driven off? This as your thinking is fine as intelligent retort on one level Anartaxius except, the low post and dwindled active member counts may show something else.Looking in on the culture of what is FFL now, is it a surprise the numbers have dropped off when there is so much about Fairfield or larger spiritual matter being talked about otherwise by others actively involved in it? No, it is like the well was poisoned here by some.Ironically there is an evident invective that is intolerance to conversation here and to divergent idea by a concentration of some few who remain active posting here.If could be we are just getting on with our lives. Now that most of the TB crazies have left, some of the tart, sharp conversation has dwindled, and there are less opportunities for intelligent retorts. I think you would have welcomed the change. 'Intelligent retort'?We've not been very good at discussion here for some time on FFL and the place as a forum is nearly dead.Yep, visiting looking back in on Fairfieldlife at yahoo-groups evidently this is mostly a sad inhospitable place rendered down to some pulp substance of travelogue, movie reviews and the personal bickerings of a few. Om, for what once was Fairfieldlife,Sooo, turns out that there WERE ZERO posts since last night.Just another tell that FFL is going down for the count.
Re: [FairfieldLife] De Niro, 1976
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Self expression
Re "The Holographic nature of existence": Yes, that's another model that appeals to me. How far I take it literally or how far I just take it as a helpful analogy varies with my mood! I think Hegel might have had a similar notion (I say "I think/might" as Hegel is ludicrously obscure). If you take any object, an apple say, then you can describe it or grasp it in positive terms as being "a fruit", "an edible food", "a source of vitamins", etc. But an apple is also everything that it isn't(!). It isn't the planet Jupiter or George W Bush or a home run or a mathematical proof. In fact it is every damned thing there is that isn't that round, red apple you are looking at. To fully grasp the reality of a humble apple you have to take on board all that exists elsewhere which is creating a space for that apple to manifest. If that's so, something like the holographic picture seems inevitable. This is just the kind of gobbledygook that drives common-sense types round the bend. But it's close to images like "dependent origination". And the Net of Indra captures the same sense . . . Far away in the heavenly abode of the great god Indra, there is a wonderful net which has been hung by some cunning artificer in such a manner that it stretches out infinitely in all directions. In accordance with the extravagant tastes of deities, the artificer has hung a single glittering jewel in each "eye" of the net, and since the net itself is infinite in dimension, the jewels are infinite in number. There hang the jewels, glittering "like" stars in the first magnitude, a wonderful sight to behold. If we now arbitrarily select one of these jewels for inspection and look closely at it, we will discover that in its polished surface there are reflected all the other jewels in the net, infinite in number. Not only that, but each of the jewels reflected in this one jewel is also reflecting all the other jewels, so that there is an infinite reflecting process occurring. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks for the interesting discussion re: the Self and selves. My conclusion: it (the relationship between apparent objective reality and the Self) is a genuine paradoxnot simply "paradoxical", but analogous to a mathematical paradox for which there is no simple solution. ... Another mystery: The Holographic nature of existence, in other words: "everything is everywhere" (a direct statement of J. Jarvis fwiw). String theorist Dr. Brian Greene discusses this in his books such as "The Fabric of the Universe" and "Hidden Reality". ... For example, say I have an apple in my hand. Sorry to say this, but Vladimir Putin is "embedded" in that apple, along with everything and everyone else. But as a corollary to this, "other" objects have varying degrees of presence in that apple, so that "apple-ness" becomes predominant and Putin is more or less crowded out. ... As another corollary to the Holographic principle, not only is everything embedded into everything, but this goes for all events and entities throughout time. So how come everything appears "normal" and not like a jumbled mess. For at least two reasons: First, the human psyche has evolved over eons of time to have a selection bias assisting our survival, blotting out certain aspects of reality and retaining other aspects crucial to survival. Another reason pertains to another corollary of the holographic principle. Objects and people we observe are innately probabilistic, especially when observed on Planck scales. Due to "decoherance", the larger objects become, the less they exhibit a wave-like probabilistic appearance and assume a solidity recognizable by the brain as unwavering and statue-like:unless we are observing something like plasma or (like mediums) have an ability to communicate and/or see the wavelike characteristics underlying "normal" reality. . ... Another corollary (for now) is backward causation, relating to karma and reincarnation. Example - you will notice that the major players during WWII such as Churchhill, Roosevelt, Stalin, Hitler and his henchmen; and numerous generals, were born about the same time - late l880's. Was this a coincidence? No. They were born about that time so they could be old enough to participate in WWI and WWII, with some participating in the Korean War such as MacArthur. The backward causation of the World Wars sent "karmic waves" back into the past, influencing entities so that their pent-up desires could fulfill particular niches in spacetime. The karmic waves extend both from the past to the apparent future and from the apparent future back into the past. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The number of electrons in the Universe has been estimated as 1080 (1 followed by 80 zeros). That's a very big number. But according to John Wheeler and Richard Feynman there is actually only one electron in the unive
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees with you. Scientists collaborate all the time, but they often have rather strong differences of opinion concerning matters for which they do not have evidence; once the evidence is in, the disagreement on a particular point falls away. The main problem with spiritual discourse is it is ultimately based on what has no properties at all, and as a result there is no way to arbitrate a discussion with a meaningful outcome. Spiritual 'progress' is really the dropping away of one's opinions as the arbiter of one's reality, so as long as one has some opinion (such as this very one here), it is a fair target for criticism; if an opinion is especially idiotic in the mind of a participant, it might be subject to ridicule (the subjection of someone or something to contemptuous and dismissive language or behaviour.) For example you do not seem to be highly held in esteem here; in fact, you even got complaints over on the Peak. Quite a few of us here disagreed with Judy, but while she was here, she stood her ground most of the time. One of the secrets to spiritual progress is to question everything, even your most fundamental ideas. A good question is "is spirituality real?" Suppose the answer was "no"? If you cannot in all honesty even ask that question, you are a spiritual failure. Spirituality is really a process of undoing a certain sort of situation, rather than acquiring something or achieving something. In order for this to happen, there is a stage everyone goes through called mythology — a story that attempts to explain what you are doing. It's just a story. It doesn't really explain anything except in a temporary sense where it may help stabilise getting your act as a human being together. Eventually you have to give it up. This is built into spirituality because, if there is a result, it is beyond thought, beyond the ability to formulate a story. The pay off is 'understanding' the world and life in non-verbal terms, out of reach of what a story can inspire. And then you can make up any damn story you want because then your thinking processes become an implement to do what you want rather than you being the slave of your opinions and beliefs, all of which exist as thought. It is much more difficult to defend one's ideas when you are identified with those ideas; that means specifically the ego is identified with those ideas; so if they are challenged, then you think you are being attacked rather than the ideas. If you are in essence not your thoughts, then those ideas cannot be what you are, and if others dismiss them, what it that to you? In your own language, to defend your ideas, you have to be a field of all possibilities, not some pathetic creature that whines when things are not going your way. The world is not some particular way except at a single moment, it is all possible ways, in a state of flux all the time. You cannot achieve stability by making others conform to your desires, this has a very limited range of applicability. Being a professional complainer is a sad, sad profession. 'The strong man is the one who is able to intercept at will the communication between the senses and the mind.' — Napoleon Bonaparte ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.The cultural place that was FFL seems to have been poisoned. The place evidently has died for lack of a willing collaboration as an oxygen that could include other points of view other than some caustic character of dominant internet haters and personalities in method. The cost to FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups has been the loss of a forum for communal thinking.A pervasive unkindness in ad hominem-istic snark parading as 'intellectual retort', it's the dominant 'culture' here at FFL now, as the evident lack in thoughtful community culture here. Folks otherwise have come instead to fear to spend their time thinking here reading let alone posting here. It is a sad commentary on how it has gone down for FFL. Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community.Salon, saloon or shalom; who would enter in to a place met with the likes of, “You Suck..” or “Fuck you” as first text lines or “You lying Fuck” as a subject heading? MJ, there was a long period of a poisonous malignancy here in the postings between a few people who came on before you came along and added to it in your way. FFL is just not a safe place for well-meaning people to loiter or join in hence most folks wandered out. Meditators and people around Fairfield here always go 'whew-phew' and roll their eyes about the reputation of FFL as a place for thoughtful dialogue whence FFL gets mentioned. FFL got wrecked a while ago as a community place that way. mjackson74 wrote, well Buck how do you account for the departure of all the people who used to post on FFL in the years before I joined? Looking back at the archives, there were a whole bunch of folk who had already dropped out before I came along, so the fact that Judy, Anne, Jimmy the Enlightened and Nappy Nabby jumped ship does not seem to be that much of a recent trend.Yep, even Rick chooses to post substantial material elsewhere now instead of posting to FFL as to just shark-feeding for what is left remaining of FFL. A long list of people is now gone before us who had once helped further the culture of the list, mostly been driven off by an aggressive and appalling unkindness of culture in the ongoing personal shark-like attack by the ad hominem that evidently has become endemic here; that seeming 'professionals' default to use in their writing method instead of simply dealing with material posed. And those same complain about originality, thinking and lack of creativity..Nothing to see here folks. Just another person trying to blame the fact that he and the people he likes can't think of anything intelligent to say on the people they don't like. :-)Good timing, Turqb,Left or driven off? This as your thinking is fine as intelligent retort on one level Anartaxius except, the low post and dwindled active member counts may show something else.Looking in on the culture of what is FFL now, is it a surprise the numbers have dropped off when there is so much about Fairfield or larger spiritual matter being talked about otherwise by others actively involved in it? No, it is like the well was poisoned here by some.Ironically there is an evident invective that is intolerance to conversation here and to divergent idea by a concentration of some few who remain active posting here.If could be we are just getting on with our lives. Now that most of the TB crazies have left, some of the tart, sharp conversation has dwindled, and there are less opportunities for intelligent retorts. I think you would have welcomed the change. 'Intelligent retort'?We've not been very good at discussion here for some time on FFL and the place as a forum is nearly dead.Yep, visiting looking back in on Fairfieldlife at yahoo-groups evidently this is mostly a sad inhospitable place rendered down to some pulp substance of travelogue, movie reviews and the personal bickerings of a few. Om, for what once was Fairfieldlife,Sooo, turns out that there WERE ZERO posts since last night.Just another tell that FFL is going down for the count.
[FairfieldLife] De Niro, 1976
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Modi tries to take the gold!
Apparently you have just posted a statement of envy. Envy is a base feeling of jealous discontent or covetousness with regard to another's accomplishments, success, possessions, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : My, how sattvic! India, Seeking a Boost, Plans to Put Its ‘Idle Gold’ to Work http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/22/world/asia/india-seeking-a-boost-plans-to-put-its-idle-gold-to-work.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=Moth-Visible&module=inside-nyt-region®ion=inside-nyt-region&WT.nav=inside-nyt-region&_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/22/world/asia/india-seeking-a-boost-plans-to-put-its-idle-gold-to-work.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=Moth-Visible&module=inside-nyt-region®ion=inside-nyt-region&WT.nav=inside-nyt-region&_r=0 India, Seeking a Boost, Plans to Put Its ‘Idle Gold’ to ... http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/22/world/asia/india-seeking-a-boost-plans-to-put-its-idle-gold-to-work.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=Moth-Visible&module=inside-nyt-region®ion=inside-nyt-region&WT.nav=inside-nyt-region&_r=0 Prime Minister Narendra Modi would like to monetize the roughly 20,000 tons of gold thought to be in private hands, 2,500 tons of it in major Hindu temples. View on www.nytimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/22/world/asia/india-seeking-a-boost-plans-to-put-its-idle-gold-to-work.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=Moth-Visible&module=inside-nyt-region®ion=inside-nyt-region&WT.nav=inside-nyt-region&_r=0 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
So I, for one, am interested in hearing their explanation. You are supposed to read the messages I posted BEFORE you post your comments, Barry. Google Groups: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives.htm http://www.rwilliams.us/archives.htm Yahoo Groups: http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=willytex&l=fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=willytex&l=fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And for their next number, the two Whiner Sisters Buck and WeeWilly, being such advanced TM meditators and invincible and all, will tell us exactly WHY a few people expressing their opinions on a public forum keep *them* from having any intelligent ideas of their own to post. Non sequitur. *Something*, after all, must be keeping them having anything intelligent to say, because neither of them has been able to do so in years. All that either of them has been able to do is whine about how persecuted and bullied they are. Non sequitur. I'm sure it will potentially be useful to other TMers in the future who will need to come up with plausible excuses for why *their* minds are so weak that they can't think of anything intelligent to contribute, either.:-) Non sequitur. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" Richard, I am appreciating your calm clarifying of 'fallacy' here as it comes down with these clear definitions. The definitions are particularly revealing though when these arguments of fallacy get employed in method as an invective within communal discussion. It is one thing when folks might innocently make fallacious points in thinking but it becomes a different and large unkindness in nature to the discussion here whence some folks, some quite smart and capable writers, employ fallacy like these as personal invective to hurt people. This use of fallacy in personal invective is a kind of bullying which by character of some personalities has become an overtaking endemic culture here on Fairfieldlife poisoning the place as a thinking place for discussion. -'Om', the bell tolls for what once was Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : About all we're left with posting to FFL is a few science-writers, some lurking reporters, an occasional linguist and a few informants that got kicked out of the TMO decades ago. All the others left the group - now we are alone on the spiritual path. Nobody wants to give us any spiritual help. Where is Share when we need her? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community... That's the cognitive dissonance, Buck. If we are guilty by association like Salya seems to think, then everyone is a "bully" to a certain extent - it's sort of built into the system, it's a feature not a flaw. The problem is that we have no Correctors anymore, to sort of level things out, so the present inmates just get to run roughshod over the TMers. It's starting to look like there are only 3 or 4 TMers left on FFL - and only one single real TMO insider informant. So, we are probably not going to get much news about the movement on this forum. Go figure. Nothing to see here folks. Just another person trying to blame the fact that he and the people he likes can't think of anything intelligent to say on the people they don't like. Sooo, turns out that there WERE ZERO posts since last night.Just another tell that FFL is going down for the count.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self expression
Thanks for the interesting discussion re: the Self and selves. My conclusion: it (the relationship between apparent objective reality and the Self) is a genuine paradoxnot simply "paradoxical", but analogous to a mathematical paradox for which there is no simple solution. ... Another mystery: The Holographic nature of existence, in other words: "everything is everywhere" (a direct statement of J. Jarvis fwiw). String theorist Dr. Brian Greene discusses this in his books such as "The Fabric of the Universe" and "Hidden Reality". ... For example, say I have an apple in my hand. Sorry to say this, but Vladimir Putin is "embedded" in that apple, along with everything and everyone else. But as a corollary to this, "other" objects have varying degrees of presence in that apple, so that "apple-ness" becomes predominant and Putin is more or less crowded out. ... As another corollary to the Holographic principle, not only is everything embedded into everything, but this goes for all events and entities throughout time. So how come everything appears "normal" and not like a jumbled mess. For at least two reasons: First, the human psyche has evolved over eons of time to have a selection bias assisting our survival, blotting out certain aspects of reality and retaining other aspects crucial to survival. Another reason pertains to another corollary of the holographic principle. Objects and people we observe are innately probabilistic, especially when observed on Planck scales. Due to "decoherance", the larger objects become, the less they exhibit a wave-like probabilistic appearance and assume a solidity recognizable by the brain as unwavering and statue-like:unless we are observing something like plasma or (like mediums) have an ability to communicate and/or see the wavelike characteristics underlying "normal" reality. . ... Another corollary (for now) is backward causation, relating to karma and reincarnation. Example - you will notice that the major players during WWII such as Churchhill, Roosevelt, Stalin, Hitler and his henchmen; and numerous generals, were born about the same time - late l880's. Was this a coincidence? No. They were born about that time so they could be old enough to participate in WWI and WWII, with some participating in the Korean War such as MacArthur. The backward causation of the World Wars sent "karmic waves" back into the past, influencing entities so that their pent-up desires could fulfill particular niches in spacetime. The karmic waves extend both from the past to the apparent future and from the apparent future back into the past. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The number of electrons in the Universe has been estimated as 1080 (1 followed by 80 zeros). That's a very big number. But according to John Wheeler and Richard Feynman there is actually only one electron in the universe. That one electron is constantly and rapidly shifting its place to accommodate its many roles in life. Do you understand that? No, neither do I. Here's another idea: there are more than 7 billion people on the planet. That is 7 billion selves. But according to Advaita Vedanta there is only one self. So how about this? That one self (the witnessing mirror) is constantly and rapidly shifting from me to you to everyone else to accommodate its many roles in life. It happens so rapidly that subjectively each of us feels our personal sense of self as continuous and so unique to us. Here's another analogy: the (one) self is outside of time. The flow of time is what we experience out there - like sitting on a river bank and watching the flow of the stream. Suppose there are ten people sitting in a room interacting. Suppose there are actually ten separate worlds which replicate exactly the situation of those ten people in that room. In one of those worlds Man A's body is "occupied" by that one self; the other nine guys are "zombies" - soulless phenomena in Man A's awareness. In another of those ten identical worlds Woman B's body is "occupied" by that one self; the other nine guys are "zombies" - soulless phenomena in Woman B's awareness. And so on . . . The only consciousness in our worlds is the one we're experiencing. It's solipsism gone mad. What would this imply? That "I" am Alexander the Great raising his standard and saying "Follow me lads and we'll conquer the world". "I" am Cleopatra weaving my web to entrap Roman bigwigs. (The self is outside of time so what's past is as real as what's present or to come.) And "I" am lying on a hospital bed in West Africa dying of ebola. It's not all fun and games. ;-) So I will never die. The ethical implications are obvious. I naturally wish the best for everyone "else" as I clearly wouldn't want to see you suffer. I'm going to be sitting in your place before I finish typing this word. A Zen Master would be beating the shit out of me with his
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[FairfieldLife] Pinkerton, Lincoln, McClernand
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Sri Karunamayi: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 04/21/2015
I like Karunamayiat least she's not one of those deluded "Advaitins" who thinks there's no objective reality. Saying entities like the Angels are "within" us doesn't eradicate objectivity in the relative sense. If there's no objective entities, who are those Advaitins talking to? Is there no Rick? If not, why have a BATGAP interview? ...The real test is when it comes to $. Just ask an "objective reality denier" if she'll accept a donation. HA!gotcha.
[FairfieldLife] Self expression
The number of electrons in the Universe has been estimated as 1080 (1 followed by 80 zeros). That's a very big number. But according to John Wheeler and Richard Feynman there is actually only one electron in the universe. That one electron is constantly and rapidly shifting its place to accommodate its many roles in life. Do you understand that? No, neither do I. Here's another idea: there are more than 7 billion people on the planet. That is 7 billion selves. But according to Advaita Vedanta there is only one self. So how about this? That one self (the witnessing mirror) is constantly and rapidly shifting from me to you to everyone else to accommodate its many roles in life. It happens so rapidly that subjectively each of us feels our personal sense of self as continuous and so unique to us. Here's another analogy: the (one) self is outside of time. The flow of time is what we experience out there - like sitting on a river bank and watching the flow of the stream. Suppose there are ten people sitting in a room interacting. Suppose there are actually ten separate worlds which replicate exactly the situation of those ten people in that room. In one of those worlds Man A's body is "occupied" by that one self; the other nine guys are "zombies" - soulless phenomena in Man A's awareness. In another of those ten identical worlds Woman B's body is "occupied" by that one self; the other nine guys are "zombies" - soulless phenomena in Woman B's awareness. And so on . . . The only consciousness in our worlds is the one we're experiencing. It's solipsism gone mad. What would this imply? That "I" am Alexander the Great raising his standard and saying "Follow me lads and we'll conquer the world". "I" am Cleopatra weaving my web to entrap Roman bigwigs. (The self is outside of time so what's past is as real as what's present or to come.) And "I" am lying on a hospital bed in West Africa dying of ebola. It's not all fun and games. ;-) So I will never die. The ethical implications are obvious. I naturally wish the best for everyone "else" as I clearly wouldn't want to see you suffer. I'm going to be sitting in your place before I finish typing this word. A Zen Master would be beating the shit out of me with his staff for this post. His insight would be instant and non-verbal.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: sanskrit fever
Well, to be able to read, say, the Yoga suutras, one hardly needs to know any tenses. There are less than 5 finite verb forms in YS. Actually, I seem to recall there are only 2 or 3 of those, both / all of them in the present tense indicative 3rd person singular...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
And, you would be knowing this how? LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I never thought of it before, but for a lot of people in TM facilities (and that includes Fairfield, IA) TM, TMSP and TMSP in the Domes really is like booze to an alcoholic or dope to a dope addict. From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count Willy and Buck are two town drunks. Muttering away like the derelicts they are in the town square. Just like any town drunk, one does well to ignore them. On 04/22/2015 04:25 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: And for their next number, the two Whiner Sisters Buck and WeeWilly, being such advanced TM meditators and invincible and all, will tell us exactly WHY a few people expressing their opinions on a public forum keep *them* from having any intelligent ideas of their own to post. *Something*, after all, must be keeping them having anything intelligent to say, because neither of them has been able to do so in years. All that either of them has been able to do is whine about how persecuted and bullied they are. So I, for one, am interested in hearing their explanation. I'm sure it will potentially be useful to other TMers in the future who will need to come up with plausible excuses for why *their* minds are so weak that they can't think of anything intelligent to contribute, either.:-) From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Richard, I am appreciating your calm clarifying of 'fallacy' here as it comes down with these clear definitions. The definitions are particularly revealing though when these arguments of fallacy get employed in method as an invective within communal discussion. It is one thing when folks might innocently make fallacious points in thinking but it becomes a different and large unkindness in nature to the discussion here whence some folks, some quite smart and capable writers, employ fallacy like these as personal invective to hurt people. This use of fallacy in personal invective is a kind of bullying which by character of some personalities has become an overtaking endemic culture here on Fairfieldlife poisoning the place as a thinking place for discussion. -'Om', the bell tolls for what once was Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:richard@... wrote : About all we're left with posting to FFL is a few science-writers, some lurking reporters, an occasional linguist and a few informants that got kicked out of the TMO decades ago. All the others left the group - now we are alone on the spiritual path. Nobody wants to give us any spiritual help. Where is Share when we need her? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community... That's the cognitive dissonance, Buck. If we are guilty by association like Salya seems to think, then everyone is a "bully" to a certain extent - it's sort of built into the system, it's a feature not a flaw. The problem is that we have no Correctors anymore, to sort of level things out, so the present inmates just get to run roughshod over the TMers. It's starting to look like there are only 3 or 4 TMers left on FFL - and only one single real TMO insider informant. So, we are probably not going to get much news about the movement on this forum. Go figure. Nothing to see here folks. Just another person trying to blame the fact that he and the people he likes can't think of anything intelligent to say on the people they don't like. Sooo, turns out that there WERE ZERO posts since last night.Just another tell that FFL is going down for the count.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Apparently a few of the other informants have posted a number of formal fallacies to the group which normally are not allowed in online discussions of this type. A formal fallacy is reasoning which fails to follow the rules of logic, so that there is no guarantee of a true conclusion which would follow the premises presented. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Richard, I am appreciating your calm clarifying of 'fallacy' here as it comes down with these clear definitions. You have to realize, Buck, that we are dealing with individuals that even Judy, in a decade of dialog, failed to convince them that their conclusions were invalidated by their own argument. Loigc, - it's not complicated. The definitions are particularly revealing though when these arguments of fallacy get employed in method as an invective within communal discussion. It is one thing when folks might innocently make fallacious points in thinking but it becomes a different and large unkindness in nature to the discussion here whence some folks, some quite smart and capable writers, employ fallacy like these as personal invective to hurt people. This use of fallacy in personal invective is a kind of bullying which by character of some personalities has become an overtaking endemic culture here on Fairfieldlife poisoning the place as a thinking place for discussion. -'Om', the bell tolls for what once was Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : About all we're left with posting to FFL is a few science-writers, some lurking reporters, an occasional linguist and a few informants that got kicked out of the TMO decades ago. All the others left the group - now we are alone on the spiritual path. Nobody wants to give us any spiritual help. Where is Share when we need her? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community... That's the cognitive dissonance, Buck. If we are guilty by association like Salya seems to think, then everyone is a "bully" to a certain extent - it's sort of built into the system, it's a feature not a flaw. The problem is that we have no Correctors anymore, to sort of level things out, so the present inmates just get to run roughshod over the TMers. It's starting to look like there are only 3 or 4 TMers left on FFL - and only one single real TMO insider informant. So, we are probably not going to get much news about the movement on this forum. Go figure. Nothing to see here folks. Just another person trying to blame the fact that he and the people he likes can't think of anything intelligent to say on the people they don't like. Sooo, turns out that there WERE ZERO posts since last night.Just another tell that FFL is going down for the count.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Apparently you have just posted an example of character assassination. "Agents of character assassinations employ a mix of open and covert methods to achieve their goals, such as raising false accusations, planting and fostering rumors, and manipulating information." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_assassination http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_assassination ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Willy and Buck are two town drunks. Non sequitur. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence. Muttering away like the derelicts they are in the town square. Non sequitur. Just like any town drunk, one does well to ignore them. Non sequitur. So, you think you know more than a sixth grader? Tell us where the TM bija mantras come from. Just be honest if you don't know. Thanks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
I never thought of it before, but for a lot of people in TM facilities (and
that includes Fairfield, IA) TM, TMSP and TMSP in the Domes really is like
booze to an alcoholic or dope to a dope addict.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Willy and Buck are two town drunks. Muttering away like the derelicts
they are in the town square. Just like any town drunk, one does well to ignore
them.
On 04/22/2015 04:25 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
And for their next number, the two Whiner Sisters Buck and WeeWilly, being
such advanced TM meditators and invincible and all, will tell us exactly WHY a
few people expressing their opinions on a public forum keep *them* from having
any intelligent ideas of their own to post. *Something*, after all, must be
keeping them having anything intelligent to say, because neither of them has
been able to do so in years. All that either of them has been able to do is
whine about how persecuted and bullied they are.
So I, for one, am interested in hearing their explanation. I'm sure it will
potentially be useful to other TMers in the future who will need to come up
with plausible excuses for why *their* minds are so weak that they can't think
of anything intelligent to contribute, either. :-)
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
Richard, I am appreciating your calm clarifying of 'fallacy' here as it comes
down with these clear definitions. The definitions are particularly revealing
though when these arguments of fallacy get employed in method as an invective
within communal discussion. It is one thing when folks might innocently make
fallacious points in thinking but it becomes a different and large unkindness
in nature to the discussion here whence some folks, some quite smart and
capable writers, employ fallacy like these as personal invective to hurt
people. This use of fallacy in personal invective is a kind of bullying which
by character of some personalities has become an overtaking endemic culture
here on Fairfieldlife poisoning the place as a thinking place for discussion.
-'Om', the bell tolls for what once was Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
About all we're left with posting to FFL is a few science-writers, some
lurking reporters, an occasional linguist and a few informants that got kicked
out of the TMO decades ago. All the others left the group - now we are alone on
the spiritual path. Nobody wants to give us any spiritual help. Where is Share
when we need her?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile,
bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community...
That's the cognitive dissonance, Buck. If we are guilty by association like
Salya seems to think, then everyone is a "bully" to a certain extent - it's
sort of built into the system, it's a feature not a flaw.
Theproblem is that we have no Correctors anymore, to sort of level things
out, so the present inmates just get to run roughshod over the TMers. It's
starting to look like there are only 3 or 4 TMers left on FFL - and only one
single real TMO insider informant.
So, we are probably not going to get much news about the movement on this
forum. Go figure.
Nothing to see here folks. Just another person trying to blame the fact that
he and the people he likes can't think of anything intelligent to say on the
people they don't like.
Sooo, turns out that there WERE ZERO posts since last night.Just
another tell that FFL is going down for the count.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
what did you think it should have been? Given the fact that it was started by a former TM teacher who had been kicked out of the Domes for seeing another spiritual teacher (so-called) and most of the people posting here were current or former TM meditators it was inevitable that discussion of the pros and cons of TM would be discussed. When you have people like sri and nabby who claim Marshy's utter infallibility colliding with info on Marshy's sexual and financial escapades sparks were bound to fly. Not to mention post like nabby's claiming that the space brothers were on the verge of saving us all... come on Doug! From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count The cultural place that was FFLseems to have been poisoned. The place evidently has died for lack ofa willing collaboration as an oxygen that could include other points ofview other than some caustic character of dominant internet hatersand personalities in method. The cost to FairfieldLife atYahoo-groups has been the loss of a forum for communal thinking.A pervasive unkindness in ad hominem-istic snarkparading as 'intellectual retort', it's the dominant 'culture' here atFFL now, as the evident lack in thoughtful community culture here. Folks otherwise have come instead to fear to spend their time thinking here reading let alone posting here. It is a sad commentary on how it has gone down for FFL. Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community.Salon, saloon or shalom; who would enter in to a place met with the likes of, “You Suck..” or “Fuck you” as first text lines or “You lying Fuck” as a subject heading? MJ, there was a long period of a poisonous malignancy here in the postings between a few people who came on before you came along and added to it in your way. FFL is just not a safe place for well-meaning people to loiter or join in hence most folks wandered out. Meditators and people around Fairfield here always go 'whew-phew' and roll their eyes about the reputation of FFL as a place for thoughtful dialogue whence FFL gets mentioned. FFL got wrecked a while ago as a community place that way. mjackson74 wrote, well Buck how do you account for the departure of all the people who used to post on FFL in the years before I joined? Looking back at the archives, there were a whole bunch of folk who had already dropped out before I came along, so the fact that Judy, Anne, Jimmy the Enlightened and Nappy Nabby jumped ship does not seem to be that much of a recent trend.Yep, even Rick chooses to post substantial material elsewhere now instead of posting to FFL as to just shark-feeding for what is left remaining of FFL. A long list of people is now gone before us who had once helped further the culture of the list, mostly been driven off by an aggressive and appalling unkindness of culture in the ongoing personal shark-like attack by the ad hominem that evidently has become endemic here; that seeming 'professionals' default to use in their writing method instead of simply dealing with material posed. And those same complain about originality, thinking and lack of creativity..Nothing to see here folks. Just another person trying to blame the fact that he and the people he likes can't think of anything intelligent to say on the people they don't like. :-)Good timing, Turqb,Left or driven off? This as your thinking is fine as intelligent retort on one level Anartaxius except, the low post and dwindled active member counts may show something else.Looking in on the culture of what is FFL now, is it a surprise the numbers have dropped off when there is so much about Fairfield or larger spiritual matter being talked about otherwise by others actively involved in it? No, it is like the well was poisoned here by some.Ironically there is an evident invective that is intolerance to conversation here and to divergent idea by a concentration of some few who remain active posting here.If could be we are just getting on with our lives. Now that most of the TB crazies have left, some of the tart, sharp conversation has dwindled, and there are less opportunities for intelligent retorts. I think you would have welcomed the change. 'Intelligent retort'?We've not been very good at discussion here for some time on FFL and the place as a forum is nearly dead.Yep, visiting looking back in on Fairfieldlife at yahoo-groups evidently this is mostly a sad inhospitable place rendered down to some pulp substance of travelogue, movie reviews and the personal bickerings of a few. Om, for what once was Fairfieldlife,Sooo, turns out that there WERE ZERO posts since last night.Just another tell that FFL is going down for the count. #yiv2108558981 #yi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Willy and Buck are two town drunks. Muttering away like the derelicts they are in the town square. Just like any town drunk, one does well to ignore them. On 04/22/2015 04:25 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */And for their next number, the two Whiner Sisters Buck and WeeWilly, being such advanced TM meditators and invincible and all, will tell us exactly WHY a few people expressing their opinions on a public forum keep *them* from having any intelligent ideas of their own to post. *Something*, after all, must be keeping them having anything intelligent to say, because neither of them has been able to do so in years. All that either of them has been able to do is whine about how persecuted and bullied they are. /* */ /* */So I, for one, am interested in hearing their explanation. I'm sure it will potentially be useful to other TMers in the future who will need to come up with plausible excuses for why *their* minds are so weak that they can't think of anything intelligent to contribute, either.:-)/* *From:* "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" Richard, I am appreciating your calm clarifying of 'fallacy' here as it comes down with these clear definitions. The definitions are particularly revealing though when these arguments of fallacy get employed in method as an invective within communal discussion. It is one thing when folks might innocently make fallacious points in thinking but it becomes a different and large unkindness in nature to the discussion here whence some folks, some quite smart and capable writers, employ fallacy like these as personal invective to hurt people. This use of fallacy in personal invective is a kind of bullying which by character of some personalities has become an overtaking endemic culture here on Fairfieldlife poisoning the place as a thinking place for discussion. -'Om', the bell tolls for what once was Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : About all we're left with posting to FFL is a few science-writers, some lurking reporters, an occasional linguist and a few informants that got kicked out of the TMO decades ago. All the others left the group - now we are alone on the spiritual path. Nobody wants to give us any spiritual help. Where is Share when we need her? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community... That's the cognitive dissonance, Buck. If we are guilty by association like Salya seems to think, then everyone is a "bully" to a certain extent - it's sort of built into the system, it's a feature not a flaw. The problem is that we have no Correctors anymore, to sort of level things out, so the present inmates just get to run roughshod over the TMers. It's starting to look like there are only 3 or 4 TMers left on FFL - and only one single real TMO insider informant. So, we are probably not going to get much news about the movement on this forum. Go figure. */Nothing to see here folks. Just another person trying to blame the fact that he and the people he likes can't think of anything intelligent to say on the people they don't like. /*Sooo, turns out that there WERE ZERO posts since last night.Just another tell that FFL is going down for the count.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
The cultural place that was FFL seems to have been poisoned. The place evidently has died for lack of a willing collaboration as an oxygen that could include other points of view other than some caustic character of dominant internet haters and personalities in method. The cost to FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups has been the loss of a forum for communal thinking.A pervasive unkindness in ad hominem-istic snark parading as 'intellectual retort', it's the dominant 'culture' here at FFL now, as the evident lack in thoughtful community culture here. Folks otherwise have come instead to fear to spend their time thinking here reading let alone posting here. It is a sad commentary on how it has gone down for FFL. Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community.Salon, saloon or shalom; who would enter in to a place met with the likes of, “You Suck..” or “Fuck you” as first text lines or “You lying Fuck” as a subject heading? MJ, there was a long period of a poisonous malignancy here in the postings between a few people who came on before you came along and added to it in your way. FFL is just not a safe place for well-meaning people to loiter or join in hence most folks wandered out. Meditators and people around Fairfield here always go 'whew-phew' and roll their eyes about the reputation of FFL as a place for thoughtful dialogue whence FFL gets mentioned. FFL got wrecked a while ago as a community place that way. mjackson74 wrote, well Buck how do you account for the departure of all the people who used to post on FFL in the years before I joined? Looking back at the archives, there were a whole bunch of folk who had already dropped out before I came along, so the fact that Judy, Anne, Jimmy the Enlightened and Nappy Nabby jumped ship does not seem to be that much of a recent trend.Yep, even Rick chooses to post substantial material elsewhere now instead of posting to FFL as to just shark-feeding for what is left remaining of FFL. A long list of people is now gone before us who had once helped further the culture of the list, mostly been driven off by an aggressive and appalling unkindness of culture in the ongoing personal shark-like attack by the ad hominem that evidently has become endemic here; that seeming 'professionals' default to use in their writing method instead of simply dealing with material posed. And those same complain about originality, thinking and lack of creativity..Nothing to see here folks. Just another person trying to blame the fact that he and the people he likes can't think of anything intelligent to say on the people they don't like. :-)Good timing, Turqb,Left or driven off? This as your thinking is fine as intelligent retort on one level Anartaxius except, the low post and dwindled active member counts may show something else.Looking in on the culture of what is FFL now, is it a surprise the numbers have dropped off when there is so much about Fairfield or larger spiritual matter being talked about otherwise by others actively involved in it? No, it is like the well was poisoned here by some.Ironically there is an evident invective that is intolerance to conversation here and to divergent idea by a concentration of some few who remain active posting here.If could be we are just getting on with our lives. Now that most of the TB crazies have left, some of the tart, sharp conversation has dwindled, and there are less opportunities for intelligent retorts. I think you would have welcomed the change. 'Intelligent retort'?We've not been very good at discussion here for some time on FFL and the place as a forum is nearly dead.Yep, visiting looking back in on Fairfieldlife at yahoo-groups evidently this is mostly a sad inhospitable place rendered down to some pulp substance of travelogue, movie reviews and the personal bickerings of a few. Om, for what once was Fairfieldlife,Sooo, turns out that there WERE ZERO posts since last night.Just another tell that FFL is going down for the count.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Sri Karunamayi: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 04/21/2015
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What an extremely fair interview that Rick conducts with Karunamayi. Wide ranging contextual that is entirely relevant to things that could be thoughtfully discussed here. The interview also is interestingly apropos to the devolved low character of culture that has become FFL at yahoo-groups. Their interview conversation contrasting by ongoing consideration throughout the interview around essential kindness, tolerance, patience, and compassion noted as cultivated higher values of potential subtle energetic(s) in a divinity of nature of human life. You don't seem to have much tolerance or patience of differing viewpoints. In fact, the only reason I clicked on this post is because I thought you might have something creative to say other than your usual whine. But no, it's just a veiled dig at everybody you disagree with. Which is everyone here except the Texan, I don't know what you think that says about you. I have seen Karunamayi a number of times over the decades and been with her on her tours some too. She has certainly been extremely helpful to a lot of people. She has been extremely helpful to me in real ways. Traveling much she is such a spiritual warrior living in the world as she goes about tending to people. She is a special soul, a kindly sort of saint of spirituality in the world. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 04/21/2015 If you are not doing so already, please consider donating a few dollars a month to help offset basic expenses associated with hosting, MailChimp, etc. Of course, larger donations for other expenses are very much appreciated and needed. Donate button on http://batgap.com http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=825a1e945a&e=16e07f16fe. Updates from Buddha at the Gas Pump Interviews with "Ordinary" Spiritually Awakened People New interview posted 04/21/2015: 287. Amma Sri Karunamayi #mctoc1 287. Amma Sri Karunamayi http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=c1b1673fad&e=16e07f16fe By Rick Archer on Apr 20, 2015 09:21 pm Sri Karunamayi is revered in India as an embodiment of Divine Motherly Love, due to the love and affection that she showers liberally on all people, animals, and even plants, the spiritual knowledge and guidance that she gives freely to all … Continue reading → http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=f3d6e00d51&e=16e07f16fe The post 287. Amma Sri Karunamayi http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=d2a1cf1c72&e=16e07f16fe appeared first on Buddha at the Gas Pump http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=f4213d1ba5&e=16e07f16fe. Read in browser » http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=2147c6c428&e=16e07f16fe http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=2fdd643dfe&e=16e07f16fe http://batgap.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=e2cc55fbb3&e=16e07f16fe Recent Interviews: 286. Ellen Emmet http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=67f13ac627&e=16e07f16fe 285. John Prendergast http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=4503bf3559&e=16e07f16fe 284. CC Leigh http://batgap.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=8cb44c12cb&e=16e07f16fe 283. Vasant Swaha http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=f6a8e5b86c&e=16e07f16fe 282. Hameed Ali (A. H. Almaas) – 2nd Interview http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=22effc76f9&e=16e07f16fe Copyright © 2015 Buddha at the Gas Pump, All rights reserved. Regular announcement of new interviews posted at http://batgap.com http://batgap.com. Our mailing address is: Buddha at the Gas Pump 1108 South B Street Fairfield, Iowa 52556
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Sri Karunamayi: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 04/21/2015
Was she one of the reasons you got kicked out of the Dome?
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:29 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Sri Karunamayi: New Interview on Buddha at
the Gas Pump - 04/21/2015
What an extremely fair interview thatRick conducts with Karunamayi. Wide
ranging contextual that isentirely relevant to things that could be
thoughtfully discussedhere.
The interview also is interestingly apropos to the devolved low character of
culture that has become FFL at yahoo-groups. Their interview conversation
contrasting by ongoing consideration throughout the interview around essential
kindness,tolerance, patience, and compassion noted as cultivated higher values
of potential subtle energetic(s) in a divinity of nature of human life. I have
seenKarunamayi a number of times over the decades and been with her on her
tours some too. She has certainly been extremely helpful to a lot of people.
She has been extremely helpful to me in real ways. Traveling much she is such a
spiritual warrior living in the world asshe goes about tending to people. She
is a special soul, a kindly sort of saint of spirituality in the world.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma Sri Karunamayi: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 04/21/2015
What an extremely fair interview that Rick conducts with Karunamayi. Wide ranging contextual that is entirely relevant to things that could be thoughtfully discussed here. The interview also is interestingly apropos to the devolved low character of culture that has become FFL at yahoo-groups. Their interview conversation contrasting by ongoing consideration throughout the interview around essential kindness, tolerance, patience, and compassion noted as cultivated higher values of potential subtle energetic(s) in a divinity of nature of human life. I have seen Karunamayi a number of times over the decades and been with her on her tours some too. She has certainly been extremely helpful to a lot of people. She has been extremely helpful to me in real ways. Traveling much she is such a spiritual warrior living in the world as she goes about tending to people. She is a special soul, a kindly sort of saint of spirituality in the world. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 04/21/2015 If you are not doing so already, please consider donating a few dollars a month to help offset basic expenses associated with hosting, MailChimp, etc. Of course, larger donations for other expenses are very much appreciated and needed. Donate button on http://batgap.com http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=825a1e945a&e=16e07f16fe. Updates from Buddha at the Gas Pump Interviews with "Ordinary" Spiritually Awakened People New interview posted 04/21/2015: 287. Amma Sri Karunamayi #mctoc1 287. Amma Sri Karunamayi http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=c1b1673fad&e=16e07f16fe By Rick Archer on Apr 20, 2015 09:21 pm Sri Karunamayi is revered in India as an embodiment of Divine Motherly Love, due to the love and affection that she showers liberally on all people, animals, and even plants, the spiritual knowledge and guidance that she gives freely to all … Continue reading → http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=f3d6e00d51&e=16e07f16fe The post 287. Amma Sri Karunamayi http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=d2a1cf1c72&e=16e07f16fe appeared first on Buddha at the Gas Pump http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=f4213d1ba5&e=16e07f16fe. Read in browser » http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=2147c6c428&e=16e07f16fe http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=2fdd643dfe&e=16e07f16fe http://batgap.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=e2cc55fbb3&e=16e07f16fe Recent Interviews: 286. Ellen Emmet http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=67f13ac627&e=16e07f16fe 285. John Prendergast http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=4503bf3559&e=16e07f16fe 284. CC Leigh http://batgap.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=8cb44c12cb&e=16e07f16fe 283. Vasant Swaha http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=f6a8e5b86c&e=16e07f16fe 282. Hameed Ali (A. H. Almaas) – 2nd Interview http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5&id=22effc76f9&e=16e07f16fe Copyright © 2015 Buddha at the Gas Pump, All rights reserved. Regular announcement of new interviews posted at http://batgap.com http://batgap.com. Our mailing address is: Buddha at the Gas Pump 1108 South B Street Fairfield, Iowa 52556
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Liberate Yourself
Yeah yeah yeah, What was missing from the article was the comments section!
That's my favorite part of just about any article on the Internet.
From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 8:54 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Liberate Yourself
This is an excellent article. Some members of this forum should read this
to check their own attitudes and motivations regarding meditation and other
matters.
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Huffington Post article (Liberate Yourself: Develop a Healthy Ego Through
Meditation) from back in 2011 touting the benefits of TM. I don't think it's
been mentioned on FFL before . . .
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeanne-ball/meditation-and-ego_b_1032259.html?ref=tw
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Fair observation. Yes, theirs essentially becomes just vile and toxic snark of perps blaming the victims. They pretty clearly don't have feeling for what is being said here in this larger thread about themselves. Maybe that is not possible in their cases by personality and that can be okay to know for what is left of the community to try to work around. Sort of like putting a bell on the cat as it prowls and trolls around the garden. Thanks. Spock-like, blaming the victim .. “I would say some others left because they got upset at something they could not emotionally handle.” -Anartaxius “These guys just couldn't emotionally handle hearing opinions that differed from their own.” -Turqb ..We've not been very good at discussion here for some time on FFL and the place as a thoughtful forum is nearly dead. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yes, I know the truth hurts sometimes and its difficult to admit it. Judy, to my knowledge, never posted a single lie to FFL. She never called anyone a "liar" just to win a religious debate. When she posted that some of you informants were posting untrue statements, she called you on it. It's not complicated - you guys either fibbed or you lied - it's a form of newsgroup dishonesty. I never promised you a rose garden. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Try to imagine how pathetic it would be, after all, to still be stuck in a mindspace in which one still thinks that "TM is the best and most effective form of meditation" is a viable basis for an argument. Let's see, you've mentioned this at least 1000 times in the past 15 years. So, who is it exactly that supposedly said this? Nobody on this forum, so far as I can tell - ever posted that "TM" was the best and most effective form of meditation. So, yes it is kind of pathetic of you to post it once again. Go figure. Left or driven off? This as your thinking is fine as intelligent retort on one level Anartaxius except, the low post and dwindled active member counts may show something else. Looking in on the culture of what is FFL now, is it a surprise the numbers have dropped off when there is so much about Fairfield or larger spiritual matter being talked about otherwise by others actively involved in it? No, it is like the well was poisoned here by some. Ironically there is an evident invective that is intolerance to conversation here and to divergent idea by a concentration of some few who remain active posting here. If could be we are just getting on with our lives. Now that most of the TB crazies have left, some of the tart, sharp conversation has dwindled, and there are less opportunities for intelligent retorts. I think you would have welcomed the change. 'Intelligent retort'? We've not been very good at discussion here for some time on FFL and the place as a forum is nearly dead. Yep, visiting looking back in on Fairfieldlife at yahoo-groups evidently this is mostly a sad inhospitable place rendered down to some pulp substance of travelogue, movie reviews and the personal bickerings of a few. Om, for what once was Fairfieldlife, Sooo, turns out that there WERE ZERO posts since last night. Just another tell that FFL is going down for the count.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
And for their next number, the two Whiner Sisters Buck and WeeWilly, being such
advanced TM meditators and invincible and all, will tell us exactly WHY a few
people expressing their opinions on a public forum keep *them* from having any
intelligent ideas of their own to post. *Something*, after all, must be keeping
them having anything intelligent to say, because neither of them has been able
to do so in years. All that either of them has been able to do is whine about
how persecuted and bullied they are.
So I, for one, am interested in hearing their explanation. I'm sure it will
potentially be useful to other TMers in the future who will need to come up
with plausible excuses for why *their* minds are so weak that they can't think
of anything intelligent to contribute, either. :-)
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
Richard, I am appreciating yourcalm clarifying of 'fallacy' here as it comes
down with these cleardefinitions. The definitions are particularly revealing
though whenthese arguments of fallacy get employed in method as an
invectivewithin communal discussion. It is one thing when folks mightinnocently
make fallacious points in thinking but it becomes adifferent and large
unkindness in nature to the discussion herewhence some folks, some quite smart
and capable writers, employfallacy like these as personal invective to hurt
people. This use offallacy in personal invective is a kind of bullying which
bycharacter of some personalities has become an overtaking endemicculture here
on Fairfieldlife poisoning the place as a thinking placefor discussion. -'Om',
the bell tolls for what once wasFairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
About all we're left with posting to FFL is a few science-writers, some lurking
reporters, an occasional linguist and afew informants that got kicked out of
the TMO decades ago. All the others left the group - now we are alone on the
spiritual path. Nobody wants to give us any spiritual help. Where is Share when
we need her?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile,
bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community...
That's the cognitive dissonance, Buck. If we are guilty by association like
Salya seems to think, then everyone is a "bully" to a certain extent - it's
sort of built into the system, it's a feature not a flaw.
Theproblem is that we have no Correctors anymore, to sort of level thingsout,
so the present inmates just get to run roughshod over the TMers. It's
startingto look like there are only 3 or 4 TMers left on FFL - and only
onesingle real TMO insider informant.
So, we are probably not going to get much news about the movement on this
forum. Go figure.
Nothing to see here folks. Just another person trying to blame the fact that he
and the people he likes can't think of anything intelligent to say on the
people they don't like.
Sooo, turns out that there WERE ZERO posts since last night.Just
another tell that FFL is going down for the count.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count
Richard, I am appreciating your calm clarifying of 'fallacy' here as it comes down with these clear definitions. The definitions are particularly revealing though when these arguments of fallacy get employed in method as an invective within communal discussion. It is one thing when folks might innocently make fallacious points in thinking but it becomes a different and large unkindness in nature to the discussion here whence some folks, some quite smart and capable writers, employ fallacy like these as personal invective to hurt people. This use of fallacy in personal invective is a kind of bullying which by character of some personalities has become an overtaking endemic culture here on Fairfieldlife poisoning the place as a thinking place for discussion. -'Om', the bell tolls for what once was Fairfieldlife at Yahoo-groups. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : About all we're left with posting to FFL is a few science-writers, some lurking reporters, an occasional linguist and a few informants that got kicked out of the TMO decades ago. All the others left the group - now we are alone on the spiritual path. Nobody wants to give us any spiritual help. Where is Share when we need her? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Many of the writers left here have in many ways become the people they revile, bullies like they see Bevan or others in the movement community... That's the cognitive dissonance, Buck. If we are guilty by association like Salya seems to think, then everyone is a "bully" to a certain extent - it's sort of built into the system, it's a feature not a flaw. The problem is that we have no Correctors anymore, to sort of level things out, so the present inmates just get to run roughshod over the TMers. It's starting to look like there are only 3 or 4 TMers left on FFL - and only one single real TMO insider informant. So, we are probably not going to get much news about the movement on this forum. Go figure. Nothing to see here folks. Just another person trying to blame the fact that he and the people he likes can't think of anything intelligent to say on the people they don't like. Sooo, turns out that there WERE ZERO posts since last night.Just another tell that FFL is going down for the count.
