Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Necessary Financial Recovery Plan

2009-03-01 Thread 40 acres, $50 and a mule
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:04 AM, enlightened_dawn11
 wrote:
> however, if the people, including businesses, in the US had not
> succumbed to the oceans of easy credit previously available, and in
> effect become indebted more than at any other time in our history to
> the banks, the economic health of the country would not be so
> intrinsically tied to the health of the banks. whether we like it or
> not, and no one does, if the banks go belly up, so do we. we have no
> choice but to shore up the banks.
>

Indeed North Dakota is booming.  The people there are quite
financially conservative.  The largest bank in the state expects to
have the usual 3 foreclosures they get annually.


[FairfieldLife] Struggling states looking for taxes anywhere including Marijuana

2009-03-01 Thread 40 acres, $50 and a mule
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/01/us/01sin.html?_r=1&hp

As the saying amongst politicians goes, never waste a perfectly good crisis.

"Hawaiian legislators were also considering capitalizing on another
potential shift in public attitudes when they proposed legalizing
same-sex unions, which supporters say could help the slumping tourism
trade."


By JESSE McKINLEY
Published: February 28, 2009

In his 11 years in the Washington Legislature, Representative Mark
Miloscia says he has supported all manner of methods to fill the
state’s coffers, including increasing fees on property owners to help
the homeless and taxes on alcohol and cigarettes, most of which, he
said, passed “without a peep.”

And so it was last month that Mr. Miloscia, a Democrat, decided he
might try to “find a new tax source” — pornography.

The response, however, was a turn-off.

“People came down on me like a ton of bricks,” said Mr. Miloscia, who
proposed an 18.5 percent sales tax on items like sex toys and adult
magazines. “I didn’t quite understand. Apparently porn is right up
there with Mom and apple pie.”

Mr. Miloscia’s proposal died at the committee level, but he is far
from the only legislator floating unorthodox ideas as more than
two-thirds of the states face budget shortfalls.

“The most common phrase you hear from the states is, ‘Everything is on
the table,’ ” said Arturo Perez, a fiscal analyst with National
Conference of State Legislatures, who predicted the worst financial
year for states since the end of World War II.

Nowhere is that more true than California, where Assemblyman Tom
Ammiano, a freshman from San Francisco, made a proposal intended to
increase revenue, and, no doubt, appetite: legalizing and taxing
marijuana, a major — if technically illegal — crop in the state.
“We’re all jonesing now for money,” Mr. Ammiano said. “And there’s
this enormous industry out there.”

In Nevada, State Senator Bob Coffin said he would introduce
legislation to tax the state’s legal brothels, a fee that would be
“based on the amount of activities.” And unlike the Washington porn
proposal, which drew the ire of the adult entertainment industry, Mr.
Coffin’s plan has the backing of the potential taxpayers, in this case
brothel owners who employ women as independent contractors.

“I think they figure if they become part of the tax stream, the less
vulnerable they will be to some shift in mores,” he said.

Hawaiian legislators were also considering capitalizing on another
potential shift in public attitudes when they proposed legalizing
same-sex unions, which supporters say could help the slumping tourism
trade.

In Massachusetts, meanwhile, state legislators have introduced a
proposal to build two resort-style casinos, including one in Boston. A
similar push died last year in the State House of Representatives. But
Representative Martin J. Walsh, a Dorchester Democrat and co-author of
the new casino bill, said a $2 billion budget deficit might have
changed some minds.

“Every state in the nation, including Massachusetts, needs to figure
out a way of raising revenues,” Mr. Walsh said. “So we need to be
creative.”

Scott Pattison, executive director of the National Association of
State Budget Officers, said many lawmakers were loath to tap more
traditional tax sources during a downturn. “What’s pushing it is this
incredible desire to raise revenue,” Mr. Pattison said. “But it’s
coupled with the desire not to raise the general and sales and income
taxes.”

Whether such proposals can pass is another issue, though each idea has
its supporters. Betty Yee, chairwoman of the California Board of
Equalization, the state’s tax collector, said that legal marijuana
could raise nearly $1 billion per year via a $50-per-ounce fee charged
to retailers. An additional $400 million could be raised through sales
tax on marijuana sold to buyers.

The law would also establish a smoking age — 21 — effectively putting
marijuana in a similar regulatory class as alcohol or tobacco.
Marijuana advocates argue that legalization could also decrease
pressure on the state’s overburdened prison system and law enforcement
officers.

All of which, Ms. Yee said, at least makes the proposal worth talking
about in a state with chronic budget problems and a law already on the
books allowing the medical use of the drug.

“We know the product is out there, and we know marijuana is available
to young people as well, but there’s no regulatory structure in
place,” Ms. Yee said. “I think it’s an opportunity to begin the
debate.”

Such a debate, of course, does not always favor tax innovators.
Several law enforcement groups have already objected to the idea of
legal marijuana, which would conflict with federal law.

John Lovell, a lobbyist for several groups of California law
enforcement officials, said the plan would create a large, illicit —
and thus untaxed — black market, in addition to magnifying substance
abuse problems. “The last thing we need is yet another legal substance

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Awful Financial Recovery Plan

2009-03-01 Thread 40 acres, $50 and a mule
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 3:54 PM, authfriend  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
> As I understand it, the market on Wall Street for
> mortgage-backed derivatives became insatiable
> because they were so profitable, which prompted
> mortgage lenders to write as many mortgages as they
> possibly could to fulfill the demand for the
> derivatives.
>
> They couldn't do that if they stuck to borrowers who
> could afford their mortgages, so they went after those
> who couldn't and convinced them they could. The more
> people taking out mortgages and buying homes, the
> more it became a sellers' market, driving up prices.
>
> And the more prices went up, the more folks thought
> they'd be able to refinance or sell their homes for a
> profit after a year or two, so it was perfectly safe
> to start out with a mortgage they couldn't afford (if
> they even realized they couldn't afford it).
>
> A vicious circle, in other words, otherwise known as
> a bubble.

And before you grieve too much when you hear that a former mortgage
writer is unemployed and is having a problem finding work, think about
the former hamburger flipping early 20 somethings who manned the
phones stepping people through the mortgage forms.  They averaged
$2,000 a week in income.

I remember Dell's billboard pleas to hamburger flippers (called them
by that name) to come to work assembling for Dell during the dotcom
boom.

Obama is trying his darndest to avoid bailing out those who clearly
bought homes they couldn't afford or bought on speculation (nothing in
his draft preamble to a budget he submitted), eventually we're going
to have to bail those people out as well because too much "wealth" is
being lost for the US to survive.