I'm going to theorize that there is a law of nature that says there is no free lunch.  You screw up.  You pay.  But apparently how you pay depends on who you know.  If you know the right guy, he can get you a reduced sentence.  You do soft time meditating, say, instead of hard time suffering.  Christians believe, I think, that Jesus is God incarnate come to do some real hard time for everyone who wants to sign up as his guy.  There is no doubt that (a) Christians believe it and experience something as a result of making him their guru and (b) there doesn't seem to be anything preventing him from doing it if he has the power.  We may not believe it but not believing or believing is probably more a matter of personal experience than anything else.  As a friend once said, all religions are just maps of the territory and it is a mistake to assume that any of them are the actual territory.  What we want, I think, is to explore the territory ourselves and only use the map as a guide if we're getting lost.  But to demean someone else's map seems a bit presumptious, don't you think? 
 

 
On 10/11/06, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

True, even Socrates could be in that catagory also.
But to get back to the point, that Maharishi was making about the
suffering and stuff;
I was thinking that true suffering is caused by the seperation from
God, or Self...
So, I would say that Jesus was 'suffering' on the Thursday before the
crucifixion, when he felt that'God had forsaken him'.
But as far as the difference between-
Physical suffering and being spiritual unified;
Is- the point, I think.
R.G.

-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> >
> > Let's not forget that Jesus Christos was not the *first* human
> > incarnation/nirmanakaya to use the Death-Resurrection formulae of
> > attainment. He was actually the last (in relation to humanity in the
> > current epoch).
> >
> > ...lest Bacchus and Osiris and Krishna with his arrow in the side,
on
> > the tree arising-in-3-days be forgotten...
>
>
> Damn, now that you mention it, I DID learn that in Ancient Cults
> School which I attended as a kid -- and I DID forget. Thanks for the
> reminder.
>




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