[FairfieldLife] Buddhist 'Nirvana' Vs. Hindu 'Moksha'
In 3 or 4 sentances, whats the difference in the concepts? Anyone? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddhist 'Nirvana' Vs. Hindu 'Moksha'
On Mar 13, 2005, at 10:41 AM, off_world_beings wrote: > In 3 or 4 sentances, whats the difference in the concepts? Anyone? > The fruit is different, i.e. the end result. Many Hindu schools result in forms of enlightenment that still transmigrate, but to higher realms: god realms and formless realms. I think the argument would therefore be that they are still in a karmic realm (like a god realm). It's real nice but it's just a higher form of samsara. But eventually a god will be born and it will die. From the human perspective of time, they seem infinite, but they really aren't; they just exist on a time scale vastly longer and different from ours. Sorry if I went over the 4 sentence limit. Will that effect my grade? ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddhist 'Nirvana' Vs. Hindu 'Moksha'
The different concepts "point" towards the same thing. Neither concept can be properly understood in waking state because the mind will create a distinction between the two because this is what the mind does. Arguments will ensue. In the ruckus Buddha will sit with a smile and Adi Shankara will wink at him. -Peter --- off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In 3 or 4 sentances, whats the difference in the > concepts? Anyone? > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddhist 'Nirvana' Vs. Hindu 'Moksha'
Actually the difference is practical only for the mind at first when one is on the path. Because at that point one can immerse the mind in samadhi and yet when returning to the daily life nothing has changed and one keeps making the same mistakes and still one can't seem to get it just right. So what is needed are skillful means to become not just a transcending personality but a transcendental personality. Buddhism in working with the negative of a person starts way ahead in terms of philosophy for being transcendental because one doesn't much care what oneself thinks in the first place because its understood to be delusional and self serving. Not taking oneself very seriously at all really helps one open their eyes while in activity without all sorts of personality issues. Of course, that I'm even saying this is wrong and I am delusional because I prolly have the biggest ego here of the lot. I was bordering on personality issues at work with the other chef. We're both tired. Ah, too much thinking. Thought is unimportant as it's just more maya. Think I'll take a real look around. This is Buddhism. What is right here right now? This is Buddhism. Hinduism, ahh yes, God is great and the yugas are changing follow your varna, wait till you're old to go be sannyas in the aranyaka. But if you go all the way then is liberation. Mostly for the renunciate like Buddhism, but in both are also the agamas and nigamas. Tantra is the path for someone who would be liberated so that they can chop and carry. There are four dharmas in Hinduism of which moksha is one, in Buddhism there is The Dharma of liberation only. However, tantra is like drinking poison, once started the mind and personality dissolve and someone if they really were materialists can feel like hell. It takes the having sex on a corpse in a graveyard mentality for Bhairava and Chandi practice, same for Chod and Trekchod. Don't have that mentality then don't do tantra. Are the goals the same? Well, prolly not since if you go right and I go left chances are we won't meet. - Original Message - From: Peter Sutphen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddhist 'Nirvana' Vs. Hindu 'Moksha' The different concepts "point" towards the same thing.Neither concept can be properly understood in wakingstate because the mind will create a distinctionbetween the two because this is what the mind does.Arguments will ensue. In the ruckus Buddha will sitwith a smile and Adi Shankara will wink at him.-Peter--- off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > In 3 or 4 sentances, whats the difference in the> concepts? Anyone?> > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to:> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/> and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddhist 'Nirvana' Vs. Hindu 'Moksha'
On Mar 14, 2005, at 5:18 PM, rudra_joe wrote: > However, tantra is like drinking poison, once started the mind and > personality dissolve and someone if they really were materialists can > feel like hell. It takes the having sex on a corpse in a graveyard > mentality for Bhairava and Chandi practice, same for Chod and > Trekchod. Don't have that mentality then don't do tantra. > Well, there is a difference between the Inner Tantras and Tregchod, although you *can* use the inner tantras as a diving board. In sutric Buddhism or Vedic Hinduism you avoid the poison. In tantra you transform it into pure energy by mixing it with its opposite. In Tregchod you just 'leave it as it is' and it self-liberates, like feathers in flame or snow in water--unity consciousness, the highest first is the basic practice there--not CC, GC, UC. I feel there is a form of tantra for every temperament. That's what the stories of the 84 mahasiddhas taught me: the whore, the courtesan, the beggar and the millionaire all have their own cure. So does everyone else. -Vaj To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
