[FairfieldLife] Chopra and Meditation (was Re: Charlie Donahue)

2005-11-21 Thread anonymousff
Haven't been following this thread, so my apologies if what I have 
to say is redundant.

Dr. David Simon is the doctor/former-TM governor who invited Dr. 
Chopra to La Jolla and who has worked with him in partnership since. 
Around 1994 or 1995, David Simon told a friend the following: When 
Dr. Chopra first came out to California, he and Dr. Simon were 
referring their clients to the tmo to learn TM. But clients would 
come back complaining about the high price (what was it, about $1000 
back then?) So then Dr. Chopra and Dr. Simon would advise them that 
there were TM teachers in the area willing to teach TM for less and 
give them names. After awhile, they received a letter from tmo 
national saying that they were circumventing the tmo and going 
against mmy's wishes, and perhaps, after all, it was a good thing 
that Dr. Chopra had severed relations with the tmo and mmy, and 
would they please stop recommending to people to go to TM teachers 
who were not working through the tmo and not charging the full 
price. It was after this that the two doctors decided to develop 
their own meditation so as to fully sever the relationship to the 
tmo. I believe that what they taught involved the use of a mantra 
chosen from a list of 108 mantras based on nakshatras. They called 
what they were teaching Primordial Sound. This was an interesting 
coincidence, considering that Dr. Chopra was teaching a Primordial 
Sound technique when he was working under the auspices of the tmo. 
On being asked about this coincidence of technique name, Dr. Simon 
responded that nothing that Dr. Chopra was teaching since leaving 
the tmo had come from Maharishi. Whether or not that was true, it 
certainly identifies how Dr. Simon, and probably Dr. Chopra felt 
about the situation. Maybe it is not so coincidental that mmy never 
tried to resurrect the primorial sound, bliss technique or 
psychophysiological techniques that Dr. Chopra was teaching through 
MAPI. Maybe Dr. Chopra had more ownership or authorship of them 
than mmy did in some way. But, in any case, there were not 108 
primordial sounds when they were being taught through MAPI. So 
something had changed, if not the name.

anon

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   What I find interesting about Chopra is that when he left the 
 Movement 
   he went down on record as saying: No, I don't want to compete 
 with 
   Maharishi and I'm not interested in teaching meditation.
   
   Had he stuck to that, I would have had a lot of respect for 
the 
 guy.
  
  Chopra's version is that he and MMY agreed he should work more
  independently due to too much infighting coming from the inner
  circlers against chopra plus Chopra would have more credibility
  promoting ayurved if he was not directly employed and associated 
 with
  the tmo.  Then a week later, bevan sends out the message to all
  centers declaring chopra persona non grata within the tmo and
  generally promoting all the spin and rumors against him.  Chopra
  couldn't get MMY to rein in the negative campaigning so he felt 
 had no
  responsibility to promote tmo's programs.
 
 
 I can certainly empathize with Chopra vis a vis his own programs 
and 
 whether or not the Movement -- and the Upper Snots -- acted like 
 pricks with him, which they probably did.  And I have no problem 
 with Chopra promoting, selling and making oodles of cash off of 
 those programs.
 
 I do have a problem with him creating and then selling his own 
brand 
 of TM which from all appearances he has done, particularly since I 
 have seen a quote from him at the time he left the movement that 
he 
 had no interest in doing so.  I wish I could find the quote and 
 reproduce it here.








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[FairfieldLife] Chopra and Meditation (was Re: Charlie Donahue)

2005-11-21 Thread anonymousff
An addendum to the last note:

All of the information presented is about 10 years old, so it's not 
certain how much of it is still valid. However, 10 years ago, Dr. 
Simon said that they were using a puja, but not a guru puja. It 
might have been a puja to Lord Shiva or something like that. Dr. 
Simon would do the puja and Dr. Chopra would teach the meditation.

anon

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Haven't been following this thread, so my apologies if what I have 
 to say is redundant.
 
 Dr. David Simon is the doctor/former-TM governor who invited Dr. 
 Chopra to La Jolla and who has worked with him in partnership 
since. 
 Around 1994 or 1995, David Simon told a friend the following: When 
 Dr. Chopra first came out to California, he and Dr. Simon were 
 referring their clients to the tmo to learn TM. But clients would 
 come back complaining about the high price (what was it, about 
$1000 
 back then?) So then Dr. Chopra and Dr. Simon would advise them 
that 
 there were TM teachers in the area willing to teach TM for less 
and 
 give them names. After awhile, they received a letter from tmo 
 national saying that they were circumventing the tmo and going 
 against mmy's wishes, and perhaps, after all, it was a good thing 
 that Dr. Chopra had severed relations with the tmo and mmy, and 
 would they please stop recommending to people to go to TM teachers 
 who were not working through the tmo and not charging the full 
 price. It was after this that the two doctors decided to develop 
 their own meditation so as to fully sever the relationship to the 
 tmo. I believe that what they taught involved the use of a mantra 
 chosen from a list of 108 mantras based on nakshatras. They called 
 what they were teaching Primordial Sound. This was an 
interesting 
 coincidence, considering that Dr. Chopra was teaching 
a Primordial 
 Sound technique when he was working under the auspices of the 
tmo. 
 On being asked about this coincidence of technique name, Dr. Simon 
 responded that nothing that Dr. Chopra was teaching since leaving 
 the tmo had come from Maharishi. Whether or not that was true, it 
 certainly identifies how Dr. Simon, and probably Dr. Chopra felt 
 about the situation. Maybe it is not so coincidental that mmy 
never 
 tried to resurrect the primorial sound, bliss technique or 
 psychophysiological techniques that Dr. Chopra was teaching 
through 
 MAPI. Maybe Dr. Chopra had more ownership or authorship of 
them 
 than mmy did in some way. But, in any case, there were not 108 
 primordial sounds when they were being taught through MAPI. So 
 something had changed, if not the name.
 
 anon






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