Re: [FairfieldLife] Civil Speech and Behavior

2007-09-07 Thread MDixon6569
 
In a message dated 9/6/07 9:36:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

We reached a consensus on the excessive posting issue and  all but a few 
rebels have appreciated and adhered to the guideline. How about  if we reach a 
similar consensus regarding abusive language? I’d like to hear  some feedback 
on 
how people feel about this sort of behavior, either observing  it in others, 
being the brunt of it, or even dishing it out? Do you actually  feel better 
after verbally abusing someone, or does it leave you feeling  polluted? If I 
were 
to mandate behavioral guidelines, it would violate the  democratic, community 
spirit I’ve tried to establish on FFL. But if we can  collectively agree upon 
some basic standards of respect and decency, perhaps  we’ll all feel 
motivated to live up to them. Also, I won’t be playing the  “heavy” if I have 
to ban 
someone for a week for violating something we have  all agreed to.


Go for it Rick!



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Civil Speech and Behavior

2007-09-07 Thread Bhairitu
Rick Archer wrote:
 We reached a consensus on the excessive posting issue and all but a few
 rebels have appreciated and adhered to the guideline. How about if we reach
 a similar consensus regarding abusive language? I’d like to hear some
 feedback on how people feel about this sort of behavior, either observing it
 in others, being the brunt of it, or even dishing it out? Do you actually
 feel better after verbally abusing someone, or does it leave you feeling
 polluted? If I were to mandate behavioral guidelines, it would violate the
 democratic, community spirit I’ve tried to establish on FFL. But if we can
 collectively agree upon some basic standards of respect and decency, perhaps
 we’ll all feel motivated to live up to them. Also, I won’t be playing the
 “heavy” if I have to ban someone for a week for violating something we have
 all agreed to.
What usually happens in groups where people want civil discussion and 
create rules so, they are usually the first ones to break them.  :)   I 
think you already have some some language regarding civil discussion in 
the guidelines.  I would suggest just using discretion and not a bunch 
of rules.  Some people like rules and I don't know why.  The more 
evolved you are the less rules mean.  Perhaps though there are some who 
still need training wheels to make it through this world. :)



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Civil Speech and Behavior

2007-09-07 Thread Bronte Baxter

 
  I speak as someone new to FFL who mostly lurks. I sometimes feel to share in 
a discussion but know that if I do, someone's sure to throw shit at me, and it 
just isn't worth it. I think a lot of women feel that way. It's why few women 
participate in this forum. 
   
  As far as someone's suggestion that we just read the people we like and 
ignore the rest, it takes a long time for new people to figure out who is who 
in the forum. It's easier to just get up and leave. That causes FFL to become a 
rather incestuous little group, unleavened by fresh viewpoints.
   
  And where does it leave the new visitors, often people disillusioned or 
questioning TM, looking for a safe place to talk about and share experiences? 
They can't do it at Fairfield Life, unless they want to be fried and eaten for 
breakfast. And who wants that damage to their tender feeling level, when 
they're already working through enough shit from their confusing years in the 
movement? 
   
  Sure, new people could put up a shield and get tough, but a lot of us don't 
want to. Certainly most women don't want to do that. We value the intelligence 
and sensitivity of our feelings, and don't choose to participate in forums 
where they are dealt with violently. So we visit a while and move on. But where 
are we to go? Where can we go to talk and explore spiritual issues, if not in a 
chatroom supposedly devoted to spirituality? 
   
  I do understand how a chatroom of predominantly ex-TMers can become negative. 
For years we taught to never entertain negativity, and the strain of that was 
enormous. We had to tippy-toe around and watch our words and manner, fake 
smiles on our faces, or we would likely get kicked out of the dome for a simple 
offhanded remark. It was like living surveilled by the Gestapo. People 
subjected year after year to that level of thought-and-speech monitoring are 
going to crack eventually. When we did crack, we did it in an eruption of 
forbidden expletives. For my part, I've been heartily using swear words ever 
since I left the movement 20 years ago. Every time I use one, it's a statement 
of independence and individuality. I hate the extremeness of the movement in 
demanding sweetness and light from its members, regardless of how they are 
feeling. 
   
  But I also know that the other extreme is no better. To let ourselves turn 
into despairing, hating monsters on account of our abused past is a mistake. It 
hurts us personally, and our get-even attitude gets taken out on our 
undeserving fellow victims. In just the sort of attacks people make on each 
other sometimes here. 
   
  I don't think personal attacks ever should be permitted in a forum that 
courts independent thought, vulnerability of expression and sincere sharing of 
experiences -- the sort of things that would help all of us heal the years we 
spent as victims. 
   
  I do think we should be permitted to use swear words -- why the hell not, 
after all that we've been through? But even then, it's smart to self-monitor 
and keep it fairly decent. A post that's 90 percent full of barf and dogshit is 
going to turn off sensitive readers, certainly women like me, who would 
otherwise participate in FFL.
   
  Someone wrote that the existing rules are already there, they just need 
enforcing. Yeah, I think they do. Rick doesn't want to play the policeman, but 
that's part of the role of a moderator, isn't it? Sometimes policemen are 
needed in this world, as a necessary evil. If people can't self-regulate in a 
moment of rage, a rule-enforcing moderator provides a safety valve to stop a 
damaging post from going through. If it saves the feeling level of the group, 
and helps promote a higher level of discussion, isn't it worth the small pinch 
of rule-enforcement? I don't think Rick should have to read and judge on 
every post. He has no time for that. But if someone observed an attacking email 
and complained to him, he could put the sender on suspension for a couple of 
weeks. How hard is that?  
   
  The question here is if the townspeople of FFL want to have a policeman, 
for their own security and greater freedom. Freedom in the long run: to talk 
deeper, more vulnerably, more sincerely than they presently can when they have 
to write each post with their guard up, or when they don't feel free to write 
at all. If the group does want this, Rick or someone else needs to step up to 
the plate. 
   
  I belong to another chat room. It's about caring for rabbits. It's a nice 
place, and this is the policy on flames -- enforced and taken seriously:
   
  FLAME POLICY
   
  EtherBun is an unmoderated listserve. However, because we want EtherBun to be 
a happy place, the list owner and the EtherBun Advisory Committee insist that 
there will be NO FLAMING, EVER. A flame is defined as a personally insulting or 
derogatory post. Strong opinions, healthy disagreement and civil discussion are 
welcome on EtherBun, but flaming will not be tolerated. 

[FairfieldLife] Civil Speech and Behavior

2007-09-06 Thread Rick Archer
We reached a consensus on the excessive posting issue and all but a few
rebels have appreciated and adhered to the guideline. How about if we reach
a similar consensus regarding abusive language? I’d like to hear some
feedback on how people feel about this sort of behavior, either observing it
in others, being the brunt of it, or even dishing it out? Do you actually
feel better after verbally abusing someone, or does it leave you feeling
polluted? If I were to mandate behavioral guidelines, it would violate the
democratic, community spirit I’ve tried to establish on FFL. But if we can
collectively agree upon some basic standards of respect and decency, perhaps
we’ll all feel motivated to live up to them. Also, I won’t be playing the
“heavy” if I have to ban someone for a week for violating something we have
all agreed to.


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