[FairfieldLife] Discerning truth from bullshit (was Re: The problem Atheists have)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > Just as a followup, Susan, there are experiences I've had > > > that are MUCH weirder than any I ever had while in Rama's > > > presence, and thus of another order entirely. There is one > > > experience that happened when I was thousands of miles away > > > from him, had nothing to do with him, but was pretty amazing. > > > > > > Why it's fascinating to me is that I was with someone else > > > who saw exactly the same thing I did, and who to this day > > > describes it exactly as I do. There was no "setup" for > > > having this experience, no expectation of having it, nada. > > > It just happened. So the two of us (my best friend and I) > > > have only each other to rely on when it comes to describing > > > it. Most of the time we don't, because it's much more > > > unbelievable in a way than having seen "deities." The > > > only thing we know is THAT we saw it. How we saw it, or > > > whether it really existed and could have been photographed > > > or whether we were seeing into some alternate reality...that > > > stuff we can't really talk about, because neither of us has > > > any clue as to the "how" or actual "what" involved. I'll > > > refrain from going into more detail at this point, because > > > it would just become fodder for those who live to dump on > > > me already. I suspect you understand. :-) > > > > I do understand. And I hope to hear the story some day. Thank > > for your replies. I am at work and cannot give them the time > > and consideration they deserve. Thanks again - your experiences > > get to the crux of the whole issue, imo > > Well, in that case, I'll dive once more into the "whole > issue." I have nothing to lose, since the attacks started > even before I told the story. :-) > > This is your opportunity ( and the opportunity equally > afforded to lurkers ) to determine whether Barry is > bullsitting you ( some of us are not afraid of words, and > thus less prone to asteriskize them :-) or telling you the > absolute truth, as he experienced it and remembers it. I > do not tell this story often, or lightly, for what will > become apparent reasons. Tell someone you had a vision of > Jzus, or Krishna, or even a ghost or a UFO, and most > people will cut you some slack. Tell them you saw certain > other things, not so much. > > The story ( which will be a little long, because I'm going > to do my best with the telling of it ) dates from a period > of time in which I was studying with Rama, but was not with > him. We were living in New York at the time, and many of us > were missing the Southwest Big Time. Perceiving this, he had > scheduled a big group Road Trip. We would fly into Phoenix > and then spend a week and a half traveling to various power > places in that area, just to meditate and have adventures > there. My cuppa tea. > > So my girlfriend ( who also studied with Rama at that time ) > and I made arrangements to go on this trip. We booked vacation > time away from work, the full tamale. And then Rama got a burr > up his butt about something ( I honestly don't remember what ) > and cancelled the trip. He gave all of us students a big "Fuck > you!" for what we'd done or hadn't done. Drama queen...what > can I say? :-) > > My girlfriend and I looked at each other and replied mentally > with a big, New York "No, fuck you!" and decided to go anyway. > So we did. We flew into Phoenix and I rented a big, campable > 4WD vehicle, and we set off to see places like the Grand > Canyon, Chaco Canyon, Canyon de Chelly, Bandelier, and other > just scorchin' power places in that area. We hiked and medi- > tated there and then moved on to the next place. The weird > story comes from one of those "moving on's." > > We'd spent the day -- the Summer Solstice if I remember > correctly -- hiking and meditating and grooving on Monument > Valley. Even if you've never been there, you have seen the > place in hundreds of movies. It's one of the most spectacular > places on earth, and IMO one of its most powerful. We watched > the sun set while watching Navajo dancers and musicians play > in the parking lot of the National Park, and it was WAY > magical, up there in my Top Ten Sunsets Ever. > > Then we hopped into the car and drove down to the only motel > in the area, expecting to find a room there, as I always > had in the past. Bad idea. Motel booked. So we could either > backtrack into the dreary motel town 30 miles in the opposite > direction that we were heading, or we could just say "What > the fuck" and drive North. We drove North. > > That drive followed maps that...ahem...failed to convey > the steepness and looking-over-the-edge-of-a-high-precipice- > seeing-your-death-at-every-turn-of-the-gravel-road of the > route I chose. Hey...mea culpa. I'm the one
[FairfieldLife] Discerning truth from bullshit (was Re: The problem Atheists have)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > But it sure was fun. And if Ron's dragon lore has anything > of truth about it, I want to publicly thank that dragon for > allowing me to see it. You were just fuckin' AWESOME, > dude. May you fly forever. And if I ever see you again, > next time I'm going to fuckin' stop the car and try to > have a conversation with you. Just sayin'. > This is your year man. This is your year. It's even said to be an auspicious time to have a child, if you are so inclined. (-: On another note, from my "weird thoughts department", does it seem like the Year of the Dragon is getting a little more notice than usual, and not because a dragon is cooler than a "rat" say, but because China just has more clout. They've appropriated our jobs, they've pretty much, along with India and Brazil, appropriated our middle class, they've appropriated our new "frontier" of green energy manufacturing, which was supposed to be our saving grace. They are a becoming the economic super power everyone looks up to, while we're, literally, building a bigger bomb. Don't get me wrong. I still have enough Republican in me to feel safer with a strong defense. By the way, did anyone hear the interview on Diane Rehm with Zbigniew Brzezinski? I only heard little bits, but he impressed me as a very clear thinker. Anyway, "supper's waiting and I gotta get to it". Thanks for the story, Barry. A good story teller!
[FairfieldLife] Discerning truth from bullshit (was Re: The problem Atheists have)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik" wrote: > > Why not try to contact the dragon now? You have a clear recollection of it. I'll bet you can bring the dragon back if you want to. What makes you think The Dragon wants to see those two again ? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Discerning truth from bullshit (was Re: The problem Atheists have)
I want to clarify that when I use the term irrational below, it is not synonymous with crazy. I am not out to get anybody. It simply means a behavior not motivated by reason, but instead, feeling. Preserving or protecting one's own identity is much more about feeling than reason. That is all I meant by irrational in this case. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik" wrote: > > When I first saw his comment, I thought he meant his own panic attacks. :-) > Seriously, I think most people have BW's number when he wants to troll - its > no big deal. Those that don't, get it soon enough. > > In this case he is feeling vulnerable and small. Why not just let him? I > understand your attempt to shine a light on this behavior but that is a > rational approach to irrational behavior. How can you make progress that way? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > Well, in that case, I'll dive once more into the "whole > > > issue." I have nothing to lose, since the attacks started > > > even before I told the story. :-) > > > > No, they didn't. > > > > See, folks, this is BS as Frankfurt defined it in that > > quote I posted. Barry doesn't even *care* what the facts > > are. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Discerning truth from bullshit (was Re: The problem Atheists have)
When I first saw his comment, I thought he meant his own panic attacks. :-) Seriously, I think most people have BW's number when he wants to troll - its no big deal. Those that don't, get it soon enough. In this case he is feeling vulnerable and small. Why not just let him? I understand your attempt to shine a light on this behavior but that is a rational approach to irrational behavior. How can you make progress that way? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > Well, in that case, I'll dive once more into the "whole > > issue." I have nothing to lose, since the attacks started > > even before I told the story. :-) > > No, they didn't. > > See, folks, this is BS as Frankfurt defined it in that > quote I posted. Barry doesn't even *care* what the facts > are. >
[FairfieldLife] Discerning truth from bullshit (was Re: The problem Atheists have)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > Well, in that case, I'll dive once more into the "whole > issue." I have nothing to lose, since the attacks started > even before I told the story. :-) No, they didn't. See, folks, this is BS as Frankfurt defined it in that quote I posted. Barry doesn't even *care* what the facts are.
[FairfieldLife] Discerning truth from bullshit (was Re: The problem Atheists have)
Why not try to contact the dragon now? You have a clear recollection of it. I'll bet you can bring the dragon back if you want to. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > Just as a followup, Susan, there are experiences I've had > > > that are MUCH weirder than any I ever had while in Rama's > > > presence, and thus of another order entirely. There is one > > > experience that happened when I was thousands of miles away > > > from him, had nothing to do with him, but was pretty amazing. > > > > > > Why it's fascinating to me is that I was with someone else > > > who saw exactly the same thing I did, and who to this day > > > describes it exactly as I do. There was no "setup" for > > > having this experience, no expectation of having it, nada. > > > It just happened. So the two of us (my best friend and I) > > > have only each other to rely on when it comes to describing > > > it. Most of the time we don't, because it's much more > > > unbelievable in a way than having seen "deities." The > > > only thing we know is THAT we saw it. How we saw it, or > > > whether it really existed and could have been photographed > > > or whether we were seeing into some alternate reality...that > > > stuff we can't really talk about, because neither of us has > > > any clue as to the "how" or actual "what" involved. I'll > > > refrain from going into more detail at this point, because > > > it would just become fodder for those who live to dump on > > > me already. I suspect you understand. :-) > > > > I do understand. And I hope to hear the story some day. Thank > > for your replies. I am at work and cannot give them the time > > and consideration they deserve. Thanks again - your experiences > > get to the crux of the whole issue, imo > > Well, in that case, I'll dive once more into the "whole > issue." I have nothing to lose, since the attacks started > even before I told the story. :-) > > This is your opportunity ( and the opportunity equally > afforded to lurkers ) to determine whether Barry is > bullsitting you ( some of us are not afraid of words, and > thus less prone to asteriskize them :-) or telling you the > absolute truth, as he experienced it and remembers it. I > do not tell this story often, or lightly, for what will > become apparent reasons. Tell someone you had a vision of > Jzus, or Krishna, or even a ghost or a UFO, and most > people will cut you some slack. Tell them you saw certain > other things, not so much. > > The story ( which will be a little long, because I'm going > to do my best with the telling of it ) dates from a period > of time in which I was studying with Rama, but was not with > him. We were living in New York at the time, and many of us > were missing the Southwest Big Time. Perceiving this, he had > scheduled a big group Road Trip. We would fly into Phoenix > and then spend a week and a half traveling to various power > places in that area, just to meditate and have adventures > there. My cuppa tea. > > So my girlfriend ( who also studied with Rama at that time ) > and I made arrangements to go on this trip. We booked vacation > time away from work, the full tamale. And then Rama got a burr > up his butt about something ( I honestly don't remember what ) > and cancelled the trip. He gave all of us students a big "Fuck > you!" for what we'd done or hadn't done. Drama queen...what > can I say? :-) > > My girlfriend and I looked at each other and replied mentally > with a big, New York "No, fuck you!" and decided to go anyway. > So we did. We flew into Phoenix and I rented a big, campable > 4WD vehicle, and we set off to see places like the Grand > Canyon, Chaco Canyon, Canyon de Chelly, Bandelier, and other > just scorchin' power places in that area. We hiked and medi- > tated there and then moved on to the next place. The weird > story comes from one of those "moving on's." > > We'd spent the day -- the Summer Solstice if I remember > correctly -- hiking and meditating and grooving on Monument > Valley. Even if you've never been there, you have seen the > place in hundreds of movies. It's one of the most spectacular > places on earth, and IMO one of its most powerful. We watched > the sun set while watching Navajo dancers and musicians play > in the parking lot of the National Park, and it was WAY > magical, up there in my Top Ten Sunsets Ever. > > Then we hopped into the car and drove down to the only motel > in the area, expecting to find a room there, as I always > had in the past. Bad idea. Motel booked. So we could either > backtrack into the dreary motel town 30 miles in the opposite > direction that we were heading, or we could just say "What > the fuck" and drive North. We drove North. > > That drive followed maps that...ahem...failed to convey > the steepness and looking-over-the-
[FairfieldLife] Discerning truth from bullshit (was Re: The problem Atheists have)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > Just as a followup, Susan, there are experiences I've had > > that are MUCH weirder than any I ever had while in Rama's > > presence, and thus of another order entirely. There is one > > experience that happened when I was thousands of miles away > > from him, had nothing to do with him, but was pretty amazing. > > > > Why it's fascinating to me is that I was with someone else > > who saw exactly the same thing I did, and who to this day > > describes it exactly as I do. There was no "setup" for > > having this experience, no expectation of having it, nada. > > It just happened. So the two of us (my best friend and I) > > have only each other to rely on when it comes to describing > > it. Most of the time we don't, because it's much more > > unbelievable in a way than having seen "deities." The > > only thing we know is THAT we saw it. How we saw it, or > > whether it really existed and could have been photographed > > or whether we were seeing into some alternate reality...that > > stuff we can't really talk about, because neither of us has > > any clue as to the "how" or actual "what" involved. I'll > > refrain from going into more detail at this point, because > > it would just become fodder for those who live to dump on > > me already. I suspect you understand. :-) > > I do understand. And I hope to hear the story some day. Thank > for your replies. I am at work and cannot give them the time > and consideration they deserve. Thanks again - your experiences > get to the crux of the whole issue, imo Well, in that case, I'll dive once more into the "whole issue." I have nothing to lose, since the attacks started even before I told the story. :-) This is your opportunity ( and the opportunity equally afforded to lurkers ) to determine whether Barry is bullsitting you ( some of us are not afraid of words, and thus less prone to asteriskize them :-) or telling you the absolute truth, as he experienced it and remembers it. I do not tell this story often, or lightly, for what will become apparent reasons. Tell someone you had a vision of Jzus, or Krishna, or even a ghost or a UFO, and most people will cut you some slack. Tell them you saw certain other things, not so much. The story ( which will be a little long, because I'm going to do my best with the telling of it ) dates from a period of time in which I was studying with Rama, but was not with him. We were living in New York at the time, and many of us were missing the Southwest Big Time. Perceiving this, he had scheduled a big group Road Trip. We would fly into Phoenix and then spend a week and a half traveling to various power places in that area, just to meditate and have adventures there. My cuppa tea. So my girlfriend ( who also studied with Rama at that time ) and I made arrangements to go on this trip. We booked vacation time away from work, the full tamale. And then Rama got a burr up his butt about something ( I honestly don't remember what ) and cancelled the trip. He gave all of us students a big "Fuck you!" for what we'd done or hadn't done. Drama queen...what can I say? :-) My girlfriend and I looked at each other and replied mentally with a big, New York "No, fuck you!" and decided to go anyway. So we did. We flew into Phoenix and I rented a big, campable 4WD vehicle, and we set off to see places like the Grand Canyon, Chaco Canyon, Canyon de Chelly, Bandelier, and other just scorchin' power places in that area. We hiked and medi- tated there and then moved on to the next place. The weird story comes from one of those "moving on's." We'd spent the day -- the Summer Solstice if I remember correctly -- hiking and meditating and grooving on Monument Valley. Even if you've never been there, you have seen the place in hundreds of movies. It's one of the most spectacular places on earth, and IMO one of its most powerful. We watched the sun set while watching Navajo dancers and musicians play in the parking lot of the National Park, and it was WAY magical, up there in my Top Ten Sunsets Ever. Then we hopped into the car and drove down to the only motel in the area, expecting to find a room there, as I always had in the past. Bad idea. Motel booked. So we could either backtrack into the dreary motel town 30 miles in the opposite direction that we were heading, or we could just say "What the fuck" and drive North. We drove North. That drive followed maps that...ahem...failed to convey the steepness and looking-over-the-edge-of-a-high-precipice- seeing-your-death-at-every-turn-of-the-gravel-road of the route I chose. Hey...mea culpa. I'm the one who hadn't had the good sense to pre-book a motel room. While in Road Trip Mind, I am not always the most sentient of beings. :-) But we finally made it up to the top of the winding canyon pass and onto a two-lane blacktop that couldn't have been
