--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I agree with you about "premature claims to enlightenment." I think they are
> common. If the people I'm referring to were saying "I have reached the
> pinnacle of human evolution" or if they displayed egotism or even if they
> were setting themselves up as gurus, I'd doubt them. All of them have
> achieved significant degrees of awakening, all acknowledge that there's
> plenty more growth to undergo, not only for themselves but for MMY, Amma,
> your guru,
CAPS ONLY TO FIND MY RESPONSE- MY GURU SAYS THERE IS A DEEPENING ONCE ONE IS
ENLIGHTENED
and any living being, no matter how enlightened, and all are
> living private lives and are not inclined to become gurus.
MY GURU EXPLAINS ONE IS COMMISSIONED TO BE A GURU, IT IS NOT A DESIRE,
AMBITION.
OR CHOICE
If they were,
> that wouldn't rule out their enlightenment in my estimation, but it would
> make them suspect of ambition-based motives for claiming enlightenment. All
> of the folks I'm referring to have TM backgrounds. A few have branched out
> into other things. If the guru's stamp of approval were an absolute
> necessity for realization, no one in the TM movement could become realized,
> because MMY doesn't do that.
MMY WAS CAGED UP ALL THESE YEARS BECAUSE OF A WRONG VASTU. IF YOU BUY INTO A
GURU NOT BEING ABLE TO TAKE THE DISCIPLES FURTHER THAN HE IS, THEN IT IS
UNDERSTANDABLE WHY MMY DOESN'T GIVE THE STAMP OF APRAOVAL. EVEN IF HE DID,
WHERE IS HIS STAMP? IF YOU BUY INTO THE CONCEPT THAT EVEN A SICK MAN CAN OWN
A HEALTH FOOD STORE-GO AHEAD AND GET YOUR GUIDANCE FROM HIM - YOUR CHOICE
You can think you are realized yet not be.
THAT IS WHAT I HAVE RUN INTO
But
> if you are realized, you'll know it.
SEEMS TRUE BUT ALSO THIS SAME SPEACH IS COMING FROM THOSE NOT REALIZED
Your experience will be sufficient
> confirmation.
I ALSO HAVE HEARD UNENLIGHTENED SAY THIS ABOUT THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE. THERE
WAS ONE WHO WROTE TO MY GURU WITH HER DECLARATION OF ENLIGHTENMENT, AND
THEN EXPLAINING HOW THEY WERE LAUGHING AT MY GURU BECAUSE THEY KNEW FOR
CERTAIN SHE WAS NOT ENLIGHTENED. THIS SAME ONE DID A 180 DEGREE TURNAROUND
AND THEN ADMITTED IT WAS SHE HERSELF THAT WAS NOT ENLIGHTENED , THEN WHAT
UNFOLDED IN THE MONTHS AHEAD WAS THIS PERSON WAS THE ONE DEPRESSED, ANGRY
AND MAYBE EVEN SUICIDAL
And you'll be the only one at your graduation.
LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS
REGARDING THE OTHER POSTS, THERE IS A GREAT VALUE IN THE CLARITY OF KNOWING
WHO IS AND IS NOT ENLIGHTENED. IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH THIS, FINE- YOU HAVE
YOUR OPINION, I JUST GAVE MIINE. I HAVE GIVEN REASONS WHY IT IS OF VALUE- SORRY
FOR THE CAPS- TOO LATE NOW
