Re: [FairfieldLife] Judy's response to Ravi (was re: Ravi Yogi's video response to Alex)
Finally. Some poetry. God, it takes a lot to get this kind of phrasing. Perhaps I was too hard on you. > > From: Ravi Yogi >To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" >Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 4:31 PM >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Judy's response to Ravi (was re: Ravi Yogi's >video response to Alex) > > > >Dear Judy, > > >I'm amazed that you not only refused to accept my explanation but also clearly >expressed your views devoid of any aggressiveness, passive or not, without the >need to feel defensive and/or project your fears and insecurities, shame, >guilt on me. > > >Now this is the very same reason why you have never been the target of my ire. >But you are being silly, I have a special love for you and there's no way I >will come after you because you have never tried to attack my enlightenment. >It's just not your samskaara, nor your dharma - I just can't see how you would >make posts equating my enlightenment with a weird mix of sexism and/or >homophobia or calling my energy rabid. Even if you did I would ignore because >it would not be you know, Judy being Judy. Robin is spot on, on his assessment >of you. > > >I'm glad you refused to accept my explanation. Because that would have meant >my behavior was the product of my intellect, my personality and my ego. You >must have noticed my disclaimer at the end. My intellect thought long and hard >to come up with an explanation for Judy. > > >Look at the irony, if my explanation would have satisfied the clear intellect >of Judy, it would mean I would have lynched myself, indicted myself since my >intellect came up with a rational, intellectual explanation for my behavior >which would then have been its own product. > > >Judy, my intellect has been struggling for the last two years to understand >the energy I have been blessed with. You would have noticed that my expression >and intellectual ability is becoming more clearer everyday but it is by no >means perfect since the energy is such. Also remember I was pretty much mute >before my enlightenment at the age of 38. I wasn't trained in spiritual >concepts and wasn't aware of them other than the emphasis on love by my Gurus. >In fact I never approached my Guru nor did my Guru ever sought me for any kind >of spiritual instruction. So I have only started talking about spirituality >after my enlightenment and this list has helped me a lot. > > >My strengths are my powerful gut, a powerful intuition and a child like >enthusiasm to learn with my quite, astute observations of everyone and >everything around me. My strength is not my intellect. > > >That is indeed why I love Robin so much, not because he praises me, because I >don't care for any one's praise or blame. I love him because he uses his >intellect and intuition, the most superior ever known to mankind it seems and >articulates beautifully in words what I can only intuitively feel. His >analysis of looking at my words and behavior to examine whether he can come up >with my motivations, my consciousness is beautiful. > > >This makes me question if I judged Robin harshly. I also laughed at him when >he mentioned the invincibility of a person in UC, but it's becoming clear to >me, by my reactions to being provoked by Alex and Raunchydog that this energy >is indeed rabid, uncontrolled by any morality, sensibility, subtlety known to >mankind, and that I can indeed verbally clean anyone's clocks like Robin says >with the ferocity of my ecstatic abuses, violent desecrations and savage >playfulness while remaining untouched, untainted and untarnished. > > >Hence I have used metaphors such as Kali's whore, existence's whore to explain >myself and Robin's phrases are nothing but descriptions of the energy of Kali, >the mother of the shadow, the unconditional hatred energy as I call it. I have >talked about it before, since my Kundalini is totally awake, Kali slays i.e. >abuse, attack, suck the (metaphorical) blood (anger, hatred, pain) and gets >high (blissful) i.e. arouse the shadow energies in others, so I can suck it >and process it to pure blissful energy, black to white, dark to light. It's >all internal, mind you. > > >My favorite program was/is Forensic Files and I watched it a lot the last >year, don't have cable now. Most of them as you know are about killers, most >often preying on women. I'm able to feel, internalize the shame, guilt, the >pervertedness, the hostility, anger of the perpetrator and also the pain, >sadness, suffering of the victim, process both. > > >People shy
Re: [FairfieldLife] Judy's response to Ravi (was re: Ravi Yogi's video response to Alex)
I'm not sure what card I will play since it's outside of my knowledge, intellect and mind. Anyway I'm going to respond to raunchydog and Alex personally, hopefully those post might answer some of your questions. Love - Ravi. From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, December 6, 2011 4:23:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Judy's response to Ravi (was re: Ravi Yogi's video response to Alex) Ravi, I'm not buying the distinction you make between mocking your outer personality and mocking your enlightenment. It may seem very real to you, but it's just wrong to expect it to be clear to everybody else so that we can all manage to avoid the latter if we don't want to get beaten to a pulp. Now I'm afraid to say anything to you because I could so easily step over the line you've drawn without meaning to and have you jump down my throat, when all I thought I was doing was gentle, even loving teasing. If I haven't crossed the line so far, it's been pure dumb luck. There are a couple of people here who are unalterably hostile to you as a function of their own deficiencies, but most of the rest of us, I think, have been favorably disposed toward you, or at the least willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. But when you attack people who mean you no harm because of some transgression that only you can perceive, even your fans are liable to become blind to your many good qualities. If that's what you want, if that's what Existence dictates, fine, but then you don't get to complain about it. I want to ally myself 100 percent with what whynotnow wrote earlier: "Its really pretty easy to just disregard the whole enlightenment issue here. If anyone, in any state of awareness goes over the line and is perceived by the group here as annoying or insulting, what does their awareness have to do with it? Its apples and oranges. No one is more or less responsible because of their state of awareness. An asshole is an asshole and a nice person is just that. "Trying to tie any behavior to someone's state of consciousness is like tying it to their skin color, or sexual preference. Now perhaps Ravi, having set himself up as some sort of yogic teacher or expressed that desire anyway is more vulnerable to the claims here that if a person is enlightened, self-realized, awakened, AND a teacher, they can't just get up in anyone's face with the excuse that the universe made me do it. "But really it boils down to group dynamics, exclusive of someone's perceived, expressed, or imagined state of consciousness. If someone is being a jerk, it gets back to them, and I personally don't think the Universe much cares how enlightened they are." That's 50 and out for me this week. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi wrote: > > "You claim to mock yourself, but you seem to get veryuptight sometimes when > you > perceive someone else to be > mocking you. What's that about?" > > Dear Judy - as promised here's my response to you before I kicked off because > someone decided to show a spine :-) (If it doesn't go through I will email it > to > you privately) > > I think you ask a genuine question and I somehow missed addressing it. I will > try my best. > > But I feel I have addressed it in the past but will clarify again. I make a > distinction between mocking the outer, my personality that is represented by > Ravi Chivukula and the inner, my enlightenment that has been gifted to me, > the > energy that is represented by Ravi Yogi. > > The personality of Ravi Chivukula has many mock-able characteristics like > anyone > else. > > I smoke and Judy if you were with me and said it was disgusting I will laugh > along with you and will agree. In fact I had one of my lady friends, typical > Buddhist liberal intellectual, she got mad at me when I lighted a smoke in > front > of her. I spend a long time apologizing to her and persuading her and > promised I > won't smoke when I'm with her again. It was fun because it was a completely > new > experience for me. I would have taken offense prior to my enlightenment. > > I mostly drive slowly but on occasions I revert to my old behavior, fast, > cutting off. If you were sitting next to me and expressed your disgust I will > apologize and slow down. There were 2 of my friends that constantly made fun > of > my driving post enlightenment, I loved it and enjoyed their mocking. I would > have taken offense prior. > > Last weekend I went to a gentleman's club since my friend wanted to go - my > first after enlightenment. I sat there refused all requests for lap dances by > tipping the women and just talking to them. As we were ready to leave I as
[FairfieldLife] Judy's response to Ravi (was re: Ravi Yogi's video response to Alex)
Ravi, I'm not buying the distinction you make between mocking your outer personality and mocking your enlightenment. It may seem very real to you, but it's just wrong to expect it to be clear to everybody else so that we can all manage to avoid the latter if we don't want to get beaten to a pulp. Now I'm afraid to say anything to you because I could so easily step over the line you've drawn without meaning to and have you jump down my throat, when all I thought I was doing was gentle, even loving teasing. If I haven't crossed the line so far, it's been pure dumb luck. There are a couple of people here who are unalterably hostile to you as a function of their own deficiencies, but most of the rest of us, I think, have been favorably disposed toward you, or at the least willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. But when you attack people who mean you no harm because of some transgression that only you can perceive, even your fans are liable to become blind to your many good qualities. If that's what you want, if that's what Existence dictates, fine, but then you don't get to complain about it. I want to ally myself 100 percent with what whynotnow wrote earlier: "Its really pretty easy to just disregard the whole enlightenment issue here. If anyone, in any state of awareness goes over the line and is perceived by the group here as annoying or insulting, what does their awareness have to do with it? Its apples and oranges. No one is more or less responsible because of their state of awareness. An asshole is an asshole and a nice person is just that. "Trying to tie any behavior to someone's state of consciousness is like tying it to their skin color, or sexual preference. Now perhaps Ravi, having set himself up as some sort of yogic teacher or expressed that desire anyway is more vulnerable to the claims here that if a person is enlightened, self-realized, awakened, AND a teacher, they can't just get up in anyone's face with the excuse that the universe made me do it. "But really it boils down to group dynamics, exclusive of someone's perceived, expressed, or imagined state of consciousness. If someone is being a jerk, it gets back to them, and I personally don't think the Universe much cares how enlightened they are." That's 50 and out for me this week. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi wrote: > > "You claim to mock yourself, but you seem to get veryuptight sometimes when > you > perceive someone else to be > mocking you. What's that about?" > > Dear Judy - as promised here's my response to you before I kicked off because > someone decided to show a spine :-) (If it doesn't go through I will email it > to > you privately) > > I think you ask a genuine question and I somehow missed addressing it. I will > try my best. > > But I feel I have addressed it in the past but will clarify again. I make a > distinction between mocking the outer, my personality that is represented by > Ravi Chivukula and the inner, my enlightenment that has been gifted to me, > the > energy that is represented by Ravi Yogi. > > The personality of Ravi Chivukula has many mock-able characteristics like > anyone > else. > > I smoke and Judy if you were with me and said it was disgusting I will laugh > along with you and will agree. In fact I had one of my lady friends, typical > Buddhist liberal intellectual, she got mad at me when I lighted a smoke in > front > of her. I spend a long time apologizing to her and persuading her and > promised I > won't smoke when I'm with her again. It was fun because it was a completely > new > experience for me. I would have taken offense prior to my enlightenment. > > I mostly drive slowly but on occasions I revert to my old behavior, fast, > cutting off. If you were sitting next to me and expressed your disgust I will > apologize and slow down. There were 2 of my friends that constantly made fun > of > my driving post enlightenment, I loved it and enjoyed their mocking. I would > have taken offense prior. > > Last weekend I went to a gentleman's club since my friend wanted to go - my > first after enlightenment. I sat there refused all requests for lap dances by > tipping the women and just talking to them. As we were ready to leave I asked > my > friend to wait while I looked at the woman that I liked started dancing. I > wanted to check out her breasts and I was not disappointed. It was the > perfect > size that I always appreciate. I was done and we walked out. If you expressed > your disgust about how I could support this I wouldn't have defended too much > and laughed along with you. > > Then there are other things - I pick my nose when no one's watching, I buy > lottery tickets hoping it would bail me out of my obligations (stupid), I > sometimes don't dispose my cigarette butts. There are many others sins prior > to > enlightenment that I confessed to, including soliciting prostitutes on CL to > hurt my ex, I would
