Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
Dharma of the species - now that is a concept I had never thought of before. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Yes, large dharma of thespecies. Excellent enumeration MJ of a spiritual manifest Destiny ofconsciousness in absolute evolution coming in to self-referral inrecent times. It is a long history actually. It is the flow ofnatural law, the Unified Field. You should sit with it some more intranscending meditation and then you should likely see it. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I wish it were true, but it isn't. I think the current wave of New Age-y froo froo woo woo with all its talk of a golden age, and age of enlightenment is just one in a long line of spiritualist movement that always says the same thing: the world is about to be a better more enlightened, spiritual place where all things will be hunky dory. The last one was in the late 1800's - early 1900's with the Theosophical Society and others like it. Things quieted down during WWII and started gearing up in the late 60's. The current spate of spiritual crap-ola will result in the same amount of enlightenment the New Thought and ascended master crap of the early 1900's have produced. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Fortunateare we to be born at a time such as this Diving deep within theself we know that life is bliss All the world we see, in the lightof the unified field As we grow in unity the truth of life’srevealed So we give thanks for the gift of this knowledge Heavensent And sing the praise of Maharishi School of the Age ofEnlightenmentEducationis ideal, when the knower, known, and knowing unite Three in onereality makes learning pure deligh. Nature must be pleased, as awitness to wisdom’s rebirth Young enlightened sages bringingpeace to all on earth So we give thanks, for the gift, of thisknowledge Heaven sent and sing the praise, of Maharishi School ofthe Age of Enlightenment-MSAE Anthem ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : So, just as the TM haters here learned to meditate with TM and may use it, I know a lot of TM'ers in Fairfield who are simply practitioners and not cultist. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Doug, It's really rather fascinating to watch. It's like an orgy really, or like dropping a few pellets of food into a pond with koi fish and watching them fall over themselves in a frenzy to eat the food. Someone throws out a tidbit of negativity about TM, or anything remotely connected to TM and these three, just go into hysterics trying to outdo the other with how to demean the whole organization. And one of the three still practices the technique religiously! Another of the three is on record describing all his unity and celestial experiences, and the other of the three says he still meditates daily, I presume, according to system where he thinks a mantra, quietly comes back to the mantra when he's lost it, and doesn't try to force out thoughts. But still, he considers TM an insignificant technique. And the leader of this pack left the organization over 40 years ago, but still writes about it daily, or dozens of times a week. Does kind of leave you wondering. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Wrong! You are bristling and taking personally something that has nothing to do with you. Buck is correct. You are using the classic guilt by association tactic in a debate. It is also a classic non sequitur. The current thread concerns the Maharishi School and basic meditation, not the cult you used to work for a few decades ago. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : You guyswho seem to be hating so much on TM here, did you once learn tomeditate? Was it TM? Do you do TM of a form even now when you takequiet time? Are you a meditator practitioner, a TM'er as such, andnot a cultist as a practitioner? Evidently you would seem to be one with a lotof meditators here in Fairfield, Iowa. anartaxius writes: The lack of cultism in meditators is probably a reflection of their ability for critical thinking, logical analysis, and fact-checking, which tend to be in inverse proportion to a person's susceptibility to gullibility. I think everyone here now except for the occasional post from 'emily' is or was a meditator, and what is posted here, all of it, is a reflection of TM's and the TMO's variable effect on people's minds. So what I post, what Steve posts, what Barry posts, what you post, etc., is all a testament to having learned TM, a testament to its effectiveness or its
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
Yes, large dharma of the species. Excellent enumeration MJ of a spiritual manifest Destiny of consciousness in absolute evolution coming in to self-referral in recent times. It is a long history actually. It is the flow of natural law, the Unified Field. You should sit with it some more in transcending meditation and then you should likely see it. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I wish it were true, but it isn't. I think the current wave of New Age-y froo froo woo woo with all its talk of a golden age, and age of enlightenment is just one in a long line of spiritualist movement that always says the same thing: the world is about to be a better more enlightened, spiritual place where all things will be hunky dory. The last one was in the late 1800's - early 1900's with the Theosophical Society and others like it. Things quieted down during WWII and started gearing up in the late 60's. The current spate of spiritual crap-ola will result in the same amount of enlightenment the New Thought and ascended master crap of the early 1900's have produced. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Fortunate are we to be born at a time such as this Diving deep within the self we know that life is bliss All the world we see, in the light of the unified field As we grow in unity the truth of life’s revealed So we give thanks for the gift of this knowledge Heaven sent And sing the praise of Maharishi School of the Age of Enlightenment Education is ideal, when the knower, known, and knowing unite Three in one reality makes learning pure deligh. Nature must be pleased, as a witness to wisdom’s rebirth Young enlightened sages bringing peace to all on earth So we give thanks, for the gift, of this knowledge Heaven sent and sing the praise, of Maharishi School of the Age of Enlightenment -MSAE Anthem ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : So, just as the TM haters here learned to meditate with TM and may use it, I know a lot of TM'ers in Fairfield who are simply practitioners and not cultist. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Doug, It's really rather fascinating to watch. It's like an orgy really, or like dropping a few pellets of food into a pond with koi fish and watching them fall over themselves in a frenzy to eat the food. Someone throws out a tidbit of negativity about TM, or anything remotely connected to TM and these three, just go into hysterics trying to outdo the other with how to demean the whole organization. And one of the three still practices the technique religiously! Another of the three is on record describing all his unity and celestial experiences, and the other of the three says he still meditates daily, I presume, according to system where he thinks a mantra, quietly comes back to the mantra when he's lost it, and doesn't try to force out thoughts. But still, he considers TM an insignificant technique. And the leader of this pack left the organization over 40 years ago, but still writes about it daily, or dozens of times a week. Does kind of leave you wondering. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Wrong! You are bristling and taking personally something that has nothing to do with you. Buck is correct. You are using the classic guilt by association tactic in a debate. It is also a classic non sequitur. The current thread concerns the Maharishi School and basic meditation, not the cult you used to work for a few decades ago. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : You guys who seem to be hating so much on TM here, did you once learn to meditate? Was it TM? Do you do TM of a form even now when you take quiet time? Are you a meditator practitioner, a TM'er as such, and not a cultist as a practitioner? Evidently you would seem to be one with a lot of meditators here in Fairfield, Iowa. anartaxius writes: The lack of cultism in meditators is probably a reflection of their ability for critical thinking, logical analysis, and fact-checking, which tend to be in inverse proportion to a person's susceptibility to gullibility. I think everyone here now except for the occasional post from 'emily' is or was a meditator, and what is posted here, all of it, is a reflection of TM's and the TMO's variable effect on people's minds. So what I post, what Steve posts, what Barry posts, what you post, etc., is all a testament to having learned TM, a testament to its effectiveness or its lack of it as the case may be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental Meditation [can be] a simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
*screams* cult. You'd have to be pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. Just sayin'... Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: s3raphita writing: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a sinister cult. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance, that is the point. But without material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way it gets used against people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult' without qualification the way some writers employ it in method as slur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups guidelines, again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : 'Cult' this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become so ubiquitous in use. And these same professionals as writers employing 'cult' here complain about what they assert is a lack of creativity or originality in posts.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : You are really asking a lot of the informants, Buck. Using the cult word is one of their favorite straw man arguments. Everyone knows that at least three of the current FFL informants were leaders of a cult years ago. Transference? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Could we get beyond the claim that TM is a 'cult' and not just a practice. They would have us believe that they were all forced into a cult at an early age, held against their will for a decade, brainwashed into believing in a secret doctrine, and then sent out into the world and to online to news forums to preach - like some kind of Manchurian Candidate, but in reverse. Seems that some here have an ideological bias that is intellectually passe in claiming 'brain-washing' and 'cult' as ad hominem. One guy claims he was forced to live inside a pod for two winters in Iowa and work in a hot kitchen every day baking pastries for the leader. On weekends, he was locked inside a golden dome and couldn't escape unless he learned how to fly. Gawd! Some clearly seem to have a personal axe to grind that is other than objective. At one point this particular informant, so he said, refused to set a table for a group dinner and so he got kicked out of the cult and sent packing. He claims to have gone over the fence late one night and took a bus back to his mother's place to hide out. The question now is, is he still brainwashed or not? Apparently
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
/You got to work early today!/ Quoting Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com: I wish it were true, but it isn't. I think the current wave of New Age-y froo froo woo woo with all its talk of a golden age, and age of enlightenment is just one in a long line of spiritualist movement that always says the same thing: the world is about to be a better more enlightened, spiritual place where all things will be hunky dory. The last one was in the late 1800's - early 1900's with the Theosophical Society and others like it. Things quieted down during WWII and started gearing up in the late 60's. The current spate of spiritual crap-ola will result in the same amount of enlightenment the New Thought and ascended master crap of the early 1900's have produced. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Fortunateare we to be born at a time such as this Diving deep within theself we know that life is bliss All the world we see, in the lightof the unified field As we grow in unity the truth of life’srevealed So we give thanks for the gift of this knowledge Heavensent And sing the praise of Maharishi School of the Age ofEnlightenmentEducationis ideal, when the knower, known, and knowing unite Three in onereality makes learning pure deligh. Nature must be pleased, as awitness to wisdom’s rebirth Young enlightened sages bringingpeace to all on earth So we give thanks, for the gift, of thisknowledge Heaven sent and sing the praise, of Maharishi School ofthe Age of Enlightenment-MSAE Anthem ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : So, just as the TM haters here learned to meditate with TM and may use it, I know a lot of TM'ers in Fairfield who are simply practitioners and not cultist. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Doug, It's really rather fascinating to watch. It's like an orgy really, or like dropping a few pellets of food into a pond with koi fish and watching them fall over themselves in a frenzy to eat the food. Someone throws out a tidbit of negativity about TM, or anything remotely connected to TM and these three, just go into hysterics trying to outdo the other with how to demean the whole organization. And one of the three still practices the technique religiously! Another of the three is on record describing all his unity and celestial experiences, and the other of the three says he still meditates daily, I presume, according to system where he thinks a mantra, quietly comes back to the mantra when he's lost it, and doesn't try to force out thoughts. But still, he considers TM an insignificant technique. And the leader of this pack left the organization over 40 years ago, but still writes about it daily, or dozens of times a week. Does kind of leave you wondering. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Wrong! You are bristling and taking personally something that has nothing to do with you. Buck is correct. You are using the classic guilt by association tactic in a debate. It is also a classic non sequitur. The current thread concerns the Maharishi School and basic meditation, not the cult you used to work for a few decades ago. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : You guyswho seem to be hating so much on TM here, did you once learn tomeditate? Was it TM? Do you do TM of a form even now when you takequiet time? Are you a meditator practitioner, a TM'er as such, andnot a cultist as a practitioner? Evidently you would seem to be one with a lotof meditators here in Fairfield, Iowa. anartaxius writes: The lack of cultism in meditators is probably a reflection of their ability for critical thinking, logical analysis, and fact-checking, which tend to be in inverse proportion to a person's susceptibility to gullibility. I think everyone here now except for the occasional post from 'emily' is or was a meditator, and what is posted here, all of it, is a reflection of TM's and the TMO's variable effect on people's minds. So what I post, what Steve posts, what Barry posts, what you post, etc., is all a testament to having learned TM, a testament to its effectiveness or its lack of it as the case may be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental Meditation [can be] a simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day, while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. It is easy to learn and enjoyable to practice and is not a religion, philosophy or lifestyle.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : And yourview points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include peoplewho are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to begrinding on a particular ax
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I wish it were true, but it isn't. I think the current wave of New Age-y froo froo woo woo with all its talk of a golden age, and age of enlightenment is just one in a long line of spiritualist movement that always says the same thing: the world is about to be a better more enlightened, spiritual place where all things will be hunky dory. The last one was in the late 1800's - early 1900's with the Theosophical Society and others like it. Things quieted down during WWII and started gearing up in the late 60's. The current spate of spiritual crap-ola will result in the same amount of enlightenment the New Thought and ascended master crap of the early 1900's have produced. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Fortunateare we to be born at a time such as this Diving deep within theself we know that life is bliss All the world we see, in the lightof the unified field As we grow in unity the truth of life’srevealed So we give thanks for the gift of this knowledge Heavensent And sing the praise of Maharishi School of the Age ofEnlightenmentEducationis ideal, when the knower, known, and knowing unite Three in onereality makes learning pure deligh. Nature must be pleased, as awitness to wisdom’s rebirth Young enlightened sages bringingpeace to all on earth So we give thanks, for the gift, of thisknowledge Heaven sent and sing the praise, of Maharishi School ofthe Age of Enlightenment-MSAE Anthem ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : So, just as the TM haters here learned to meditate with TM and may use it, I know a lot of TM'ers in Fairfield who are simply practitioners and not cultist. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Doug, It's really rather fascinating to watch. It's like an orgy really, or like dropping a few pellets of food into a pond with koi fish and watching them fall over themselves in a frenzy to eat the food. Someone throws out a tidbit of negativity about TM, or anything remotely connected to TM and these three, just go into hysterics trying to outdo the other with how to demean the whole organization. And one of the three still practices the technique religiously! Another of the three is on record describing all his unity and celestial experiences, and the other of the three says he still meditates daily, I presume, according to system where he thinks a mantra, quietly comes back to the mantra when he's lost it, and doesn't try to force out thoughts. But still, he considers TM an insignificant technique. And the leader of this pack left the organization over 40 years ago, but still writes about it daily, or dozens of times a week. Does kind of leave you wondering. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Wrong! You are bristling and taking personally something that has nothing to do with you. Buck is correct. You are using the classic guilt by association tactic in a debate. It is also a classic non sequitur. The current thread concerns the Maharishi School and basic meditation, not the cult you used to work for a few decades ago. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : You guyswho seem to be hating so much on TM here, did you once learn tomeditate? Was it TM? Do you do TM of a form even now when you takequiet time? Are you a meditator practitioner, a TM'er as such, andnot a cultist as a practitioner? Evidently you would seem to be one with a lotof meditators here in Fairfield, Iowa. anartaxius writes: The lack of cultism in meditators is probably a reflection of their ability for critical thinking, logical analysis, and fact-checking, which tend to be in inverse proportion to a person's susceptibility to gullibility. I think everyone here now except for the occasional post from 'emily' is or was a meditator, and what is posted here, all of it, is a reflection of TM's and the TMO's variable effect on people's minds. So what I post, what Steve posts, what Barry posts, what you post, etc., is all a testament to having learned TM, a testament to its effectiveness or its lack of it as the case may be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental Meditation [can be] a simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day, while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. It is easy to learn and enjoyable to practice and is not a religion, philosophy or lifestyle.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : And yourview points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include peoplewho are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to begrinding on a particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation practice
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Doug, It's really rather fascinating to watch. It's like an orgy really, or like dropping a few pellets of food into a pond with koi fish and watching them fall over themselves in a frenzy to eat the food. Someone throws out a tidbit of negativity about TM, or anything remotely connected to TM and these three, just go into hysterics trying to outdo the other with how to demean the whole organization. And one of the three still practices the technique religiously! Another of the three is on record describing all his unity and celestial experiences, and the other of the three says he still meditates daily, I presume, according to system where he thinks a mantra, quietly comes back to the mantra when he's lost it, and doesn't try to force out thoughts. But still, he considers TM an insignificant technique. And the leader of this pack left the organization over 40 years ago, but still writes about it daily, or dozens of times a week. Does kind of leave you wondering. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : You guys who seem to be hating so much on TM here, did you once learn to meditate? Was it TM? Do you do TM of a form even now when you take quiet time? Are you a meditator practitioner, a TM'er as such, and not a cultist as a practitioner? Evidently you would seem to be one with a lot of meditators here in Fairfield, Iowa. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental Meditation [can be] a simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day, while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. It is easy to learn and enjoyable to practice and is not a religion, philosophy or lifestyle.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer would say that it is not a cult. The organization's normal behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. Just sayin'... Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique
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A yajna or a sacrifice is when you give up something you value. The most subtle sacrifice is meditation where you give up your thoughts and experience pure consciousness. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : This is a core thing in TM and in Marshy's mushy mind that was so steeped in vedic mumbo jumbo. Non sequitur. There's no need to go all prejudice on us, singling out one group based on their religious beliefs or place of origin. You give or sacrifice butter or soma or whatever to the gods and they reward you with all sorts of stuff. Non sequitur. Doesn't seem to have worked too well for the general population of India. Never pass up a tragic situation if you think it will help you win a religious debate! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The word yagya MEANS sacrifice. In my book it means to give, unify and perform. Seems like the word sacrifice may have it's origins in the sacred though. Maybe Carde will clear it up? The pundit rituals, the yagyas are fire sacrifices, where they offer clarified butter and other stuff to Agni and the other gods in the fire. To great effect of course... A friend of mine had a yagya at his wedding. It was great fun and we all got covered in ghee and sandalwood. Much chanting ensued and we all sat round a fire. Might even have one myself as it's so much more exciting than a church wedding. That sort of non-devotional attitude might anger the gods though... Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp The meaning, significance and types of Yajnas or Vedic sacrifices performed in Hinduism View on www.hinduwebsite.com http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp Preview by Yahoo From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many
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You need to get a grip, Buck. You're not in a dialog with real people on this forum. These informants are posting anonymously, so there's nothing here that can prove they ever learned TM from a TM Teacher. Anyone can come here and post some TMO status claims. --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : You guys who seem to be hating so much on TM here, did you once learn to meditate? Was it TM? You can pretty much tell who has learned TM by how they describe the experience. Do you do TM of a form even now when you take quiet time? As a rule, if they don't mention experiencing any transcendental consciousness, you can pretty much assume that if the learned TM, they did not practice it correctly. Are you a meditator practitioner, a TM'er as such, and not a cultist as a practitioner? So far as I can tell, most of the informants in the present group were practicing guru yoga. They tried to turn TM practice into a religion with the Maharishi as their god. Evidently you would seem to be one with a lot of meditators here in Fairfield, Iowa. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental Meditation [can be] a simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day, while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. It is easy to learn and enjoyable to practice and is not a religion, philosophy or lifestyle.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer would say that it is not a cult. The organization's normal behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. Just sayin'... Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full
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Meditation is based on thinking, and there is hardly anyone on the planet that doesn't think. Meditation simply means to think things over. Based on this definition, everyone meditates. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The lack of cultism in meditators is probably a reflection of their ability for critical thinking, logical analysis, and fact-checking, which tend to be in inverse proportion to a person's susceptibility to gullibility. You probably couldn't go through a day without once or twice pausing to take stock of your own minds contents. And we are all transcending all the time. Meditation is just what intelligent people do. I think everyone here now except for the occasional post from 'emily' is or was a meditator, and what is posted here, all of it, is a reflection of TM's and the TMO's variable effect on people's minds. It sounds like you're still trying to sell us snake-oil. In truth there is no TM or TMO - those are just cult words you made up to confuse us. What you call TM is just a simple meditation practice common all over India. So what I post, what Steve posts, what Barry posts, what you post, etc., is all a testament to having learned TM, a testament to its effectiveness or its lack of it as the case may be. Non sequitur. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : You guys who seem to be hating so much on TM here, did you once learn to meditate? Was it TM? Do you do TM of a form even now when you take quiet time? Are you a meditator practitioner, a TM'er as such, and not a cultist as a practitioner? Evidently you would seem to be one with a lot of meditators here in Fairfield, Iowa. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental Meditation [can be] a simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day, while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. It is easy to learn and enjoyable to practice and is not a religion, philosophy or lifestyle.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer would say that it is not a cult. The organization's normal behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. Just sayin'... Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would
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The problem with most people learning to meditate is that don't understand or often overlook the significance of spans of time that occur in very short intervals. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sign me up for the lack of effectiveness group. :-) Effective in order to do what? --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The lack of cultism in meditators is probably a reflection of their ability for critical thinking, logical analysis, and fact-checking, which tend to be in inverse proportion to a person's susceptibility to gullibility. I think everyone here now except for the occasional post from 'emily' is or was a meditator, and what is posted here, all of it, is a reflection of TM's and the TMO's variable effect on people's minds. So what I post, what Steve posts, what Barry posts, what you post, etc., is all a testament to having learned TM, a testament to its effectiveness or its lack of it as the case may be. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy
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: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: s3raphita writing: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a sinister cult. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance, that is the point. But without material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way it gets used against people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult' without qualification the way some writers employ it in method as slur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups guidelines, again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : 'Cult' this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become so ubiquitous in use. And these same professionals as writers employing 'cult' here complain about what they assert is a lack of creativity or originality in posts.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : You are really asking a lot of the informants, Buck. Using the cult word is one of their favorite straw man arguments. Everyone knows that at least three of the current FFL informants were leaders of a cult years ago. Transference? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Could we get beyond the claim that TM is a 'cult' and not just a practice. They would have us believe that they were all forced into a cult at an early age, held against their will for a decade, brainwashed into believing in a secret doctrine, and then sent out into the world and to online to news forums to preach - like some kind of Manchurian Candidate, but in reverse. Seems that some here have an ideological bias that is intellectually passe in claiming 'brain-washing' and 'cult' as ad hominem. One guy claims he was forced to live inside a pod for two winters in Iowa and work in a hot kitchen every day baking pastries for the leader. On weekends, he was locked inside a golden dome and couldn't escape unless he learned how to fly. Gawd! Some clearly seem to have a personal axe to grind that is other than objective. At one point this particular informant, so he said, refused to set a table for a group dinner and so he got kicked out of the cult and sent packing. He claims to have gone over the fence late one night and took a bus back to his mother's place to hide out. The question now is, is he still brainwashed or not? Apparently he is very susceptible to suggestion. So, how does he get his mind back after being held in a cult against his will? Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? Go figure. The Brainwashing Model Debunked: http://tinyurl.com/y6bzst2 http://tinyurl.com/y6bzst2 Work cited: Anthony, Dick. Religious Movements and Brainwashing Litigation: Evaluating Key Testimony, in Thomas Robbins and Dick Anthony, eds., In Gods We Trust, 2nd ed. New Brunswick, NJ: Transaction Books, 1990.pp 295-344. 1990. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413891 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413891?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma Discrimination, or legal action, against religious groups because someone doesn't
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] Maharishi School retrospective No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: s3raphita writing: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a sinister cult. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance, that is the point. But without material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way it gets used against people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult' without qualification the way some writers employ it in method as slur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups guidelines, again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : 'Cult' this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become so ubiquitous in use. And these same professionals as writers employing 'cult' here complain about what they assert is a lack of creativity or originality in posts.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : You are really asking a lot of the informants, Buck. Using the cult word is one of their favorite straw man arguments. Everyone knows that at least three of the current FFL informants were leaders of a cult years ago. Transference? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Could we get beyond the claim that TM is a 'cult' and not just a practice. They would have us believe that they were all forced into a cult at an early age, held against their will for a decade, brainwashed into believing in a secret doctrine, and then sent out into the world and to online to news forums to preach - like some kind of Manchurian Candidate, but in reverse. Seems that some here have an ideological bias that is intellectually passe in claiming 'brain-washing' and 'cult' as ad hominem. One guy claims he was forced to live inside a pod for two winters in Iowa and work in a hot kitchen every day baking pastries for the leader. On weekends, he was locked inside a golden dome and couldn't escape unless he learned how to fly. Gawd! Some clearly seem to have a personal axe to grind that is other than objective. At one point this particular informant, so he said, refused to set a table for a group dinner and so he got kicked out of the cult and sent packing. He claims to have gone over the fence late one night and took a bus back to his mother's place to hide out. The question now is, is he still brainwashed or not? Apparently he is very susceptible to suggestion. So, how does he get his mind back after being held in a cult against his will? Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? Go figure. The Brainwashing Model Debunked: http://tinyurl.com/y6bzst2 http://tinyurl.com/y6bzst2 Work cited: Anthony, Dick. Religious Movements and Brainwashing Litigation: Evaluating Key Testimony, in Thomas Robbins and Dick Anthony, eds., In Gods We Trust, 2nd ed. New Brunswick, NJ: Transaction Books, 1990.pp 295-344. 1990. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413891 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413891?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma Discrimination, or legal action, against religious groups because someone doesn't like them
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From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a sinister cult. While I think your analysis is more balanced than many, s3raphita, I should point out that pressure to keep cult members from leaving the cult is FAR from the most defining characteristic of a cult, and in fact is more the exception than the rule. For example, in the TM organization cult, people are theoretically free to leave any time they want. Theoretically. Anyone who had been around for some time, however, knew that they would be giving up their friends and family by doing so, because those people would in all likelihood write them off and treat them as untouchable heretics after they left. The larger truth is that the more inbred and divorced from reality the cult is, the more likely it is to want any member who starts to display doubts about the group TO leave, so that they don't infect others with their ideas. I would suggest that the defining characteristics of a cult are more like those proposed by Rick Ross (below). I may not like the guy, but I think his list is pretty fair, and covers the full range of modern cultic groups -- from religious/spiritual cults to corporate/political cults. How many of the following criteria do you believe do NOT apply to someone who has chosen to live within one of the inner circles of the TM organization cult -- Fairfield, MUM, Vlodrop, or one of their other locations? Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader of a potentially unsafe group/leader. 1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. 2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. 3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement. 4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions. 5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil. 6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances. 7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader. 8. Followers feel they can never be good enough. 9. The group/leader is always right. 10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing truth or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible. Ten warning signs regarding people involved with a potentially unsafe group/leader regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader. 1. Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration. 2. Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens. 3. Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as persecution. 4. Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior. 5. Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement. 6. Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests. 7. A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor. 8. Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader. 9. Anything the group/leader does can
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Springboarding off of the Subject line, here's an article about the Chrisschun counterpart of Maharishi School. As you read it and feel creeped out and sorely in need of a shower or a drink, try to remember that that's how 99% of the general public feel when reading stories of how Maharishi School students are indoctrinated to believe in the things taught to them. The Creepy Fundamentalist Homeschool Cult That Trained the Duggars | | | | | | | | | | | The Creepy Fundamentalist Homeschool Cult That Traine...You know about the Duggars, the evangelical Christian family whose 19 children catapulted them to fame through Discovery Health specials and TLC show, 19 Kids and... | | | | View on gawker.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a sinister cult. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes,using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often usedhere without qualification or material substance, that is the point.But without material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way itgets used against people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult'without qualification the way some writers employ it in method asslur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups guidelines, again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : 'Cult'this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become soubiquitous in use. And these same professionals as writers employing'cult' here complain about what they assert is a lack of creativityor originality in posts.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : You are really asking a lot of the informants, Buck. Using the cult word is one of their favorite straw man arguments. Everyone knows that at least three of the current FFL informants were leaders of a cult years ago. Transference? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Could we get beyond the claim that TM is a 'cult' and not just a practice. They would have us believe that they were all forced into a cult at an early age, held against their will for a decade, brainwashed into believing in a secret doctrine, and then sent out into the world and to online to news forums to preach - like some kind of Manchurian Candidate, but in reverse. Seems that some here have an ideological bias that is intellectually passe in claiming 'brain-washing' and 'cult' as ad hominem. One guy claims he was forced to live inside a pod for two winters in Iowa and work in a hot kitchen every day baking pastries for the leader. On weekends, he was locked inside a golden dome and couldn't escape unless he learned how to fly. Gawd! Some clearly seem to have a personal axe to grind that is other than objective. At one point this particular informant, so he said, refused to set a table for a group dinner and so he got kicked out of the cult and sent packing. He claims to have gone over the fence late one night and took a bus back to his mother's place to hide out. The question now is, is he still brainwashed or not? Apparently he is very susceptible to suggestion. So, how does he get his mind back after being held in a cult against his will? Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? Go figure
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That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No itappears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice formany, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for somefew. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely afair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a sinister cult. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes,using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often usedhere without qualification or material substance, that is the point.But without material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way itgets used against people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult'without qualification the way some writers employ it in method asslur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups guidelines, again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : 'Cult'this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become soubiquitous in use. And these same professionals as writers employing'cult' here complain about what they assert is a lack of creativityor originality in posts.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : You are really asking a lot of the informants, Buck. Using the cult word is one of their favorite straw man arguments. Everyone knows that at least three of the current FFL informants were leaders of a cult years ago. Transference? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Could we get beyond the claim that TM is a 'cult' and not just a practice. They would have us believe that they were all forced into a cult at an early age, held against their will for a decade, brainwashed into believing in a secret doctrine, and then sent out into the world and to online to news forums to preach - like some kind of Manchurian Candidate, but in reverse. Seems that some here have an ideological bias that is intellectually passe in claiming 'brain-washing' and 'cult' as ad hominem. One guy claims he was forced to live inside a pod for two winters in Iowa and work in a hot kitchen every day baking pastries for the leader. On weekends, he was locked inside a golden dome and couldn't escape unless he learned how to fly. Gawd! Some clearly seem to have a personal axe to grind that is other than objective. At one point this particular informant, so he said, refused to set a table for a group dinner and so he got kicked out of the cult and sent packing. He claims to have gone over the fence late one night and took a bus back to his mother's place to hide out. The question now is, is he still brainwashed or not? Apparently he is very susceptible to suggestion. So, how does he get his mind back after being held in a cult against his will? Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? Go figure. TheBrainwashing Model Debunked: http
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a sinister cult. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance, that is the point. But without material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way it gets used against people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult' without qualification the way some writers employ it in method as slur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups guidelines, again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : 'Cult' this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become so ubiquitous in use. And these same professionals as writers employing 'cult' here complain about what they assert is a lack of creativity or originality in posts.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : You are really asking a lot of the informants, Buck. Using the cult word is one of their favorite straw man arguments. Everyone knows that at least three of the current FFL informants were leaders of a cult years ago. Transference? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Could we get beyond the claim that TM is a 'cult' and not just a practice. They would have us believe that they were all forced into a cult at an early age, held against their will for a decade, brainwashed into believing in a secret doctrine, and then sent out into the world and to online to news forums to preach - like some kind of Manchurian Candidate, but in reverse. Seems that some here have an ideological bias that is intellectually passe in claiming 'brain-washing' and 'cult' as ad hominem. One guy claims he was forced to live inside a pod for two winters in Iowa and work in a hot kitchen every day baking pastries for the leader. On weekends, he was locked inside a golden dome and couldn't escape unless he learned how to fly. Gawd! Some
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From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer would say that it is not a cult. The organization's normal behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. Just sayin'...
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“What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental Meditation [can be] a simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day, while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. It is easy to learn and enjoyable to practice and is not a religion, philosophy or lifestyle.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer would say that it is not a cult. The organization's normal behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. Just sayin'... Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a sinister cult. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance, that is the point. But without material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way it gets used against people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult' without qualification the way some writers employ it in method as slur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups guidelines, again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : 'Cult' this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become so ubiquitous in use. And these same professionals as writers employing 'cult' here complain about what they assert is a lack of creativity or originality in posts.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : You are really asking a lot of the informants
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The word yagya MEANS sacrifice.The pundit rituals, the yagyas are fire sacrifices, where they offer clarified butter and other stuff to Agni and the other gods in the fire. Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice | | | | | | | | | | | Yajna - The Vedic SacrificeThe meaning, significance and types of Yajnas or Vedic sacrifices performed in Hinduism | | | | View on www.hinduwebsite.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No itappears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice formany, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for somefew. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely afair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a sinister cult. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes,using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often usedhere without qualification or material substance, that is the point.But without material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way itgets used against people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult'without qualification the way some writers employ it in method asslur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups guidelines, again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : 'Cult'this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become soubiquitous in use. And these same professionals as writers employing'cult' here complain about what they assert is a lack of creativityor originality in posts.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : You are really asking a lot of the informants, Buck. Using the cult word is one of their favorite straw man arguments. Everyone knows that at least three of the current FFL informants were leaders of a cult years ago. Transference? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Could we get beyond the claim that TM is a 'cult' and not just a practice. They would have us believe that they were all forced into a cult at an early age, held against their will for a decade, brainwashed into believing
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And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer would say that it is not a cult. The organization's normal behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. Just sayin'... Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a sinister cult. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance, that is the point. But without material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way it gets used against people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult' without qualification the way some writers employ it in method as slur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups guidelines, again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : 'Cult' this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become so ubiquitous in use. And these same professionals as writers employing 'cult' here complain about what they assert is a lack of creativity or originality in posts.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : You are really asking a lot of the informants, Buck. Using the cult word is one of their favorite straw man arguments. Everyone knows that at least three of the current FFL informants were leaders of a cult years ago. Transference? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Could we get beyond the claim that TM is a 'cult' and not just a practice. They would have us believe
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You guys who seem to be hating so much on TM here, did you once learn to meditate? Was it TM? Do you do TM of a form even now when you take quiet time? Are you a meditator practitioner, a TM'er as such, and not a cultist as a practitioner? Evidently you would seem to be one with a lot of meditators here in Fairfield, Iowa. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental Meditation [can be] a simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day, while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. It is easy to learn and enjoyable to practice and is not a religion, philosophy or lifestyle.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer would say that it is not a cult. The organization's normal behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. Just sayin'... Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a sinister cult. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance, that is the point. But without material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way it gets used against people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult' without qualification the way some writers employ it in method as slur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups guidelines, again
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Plus not all forms of meditation come from cults. I also add that in the beginning TM Movement was not so much a cult, but it did quickly become a personality following cult of people who were enamored of Marshy. As it progressed it became a large group of people including myself who were hoodwinked by a very clever con artist. Within that vibration, many gained what good they could as they lived their lives. The ones who came out the worst were the ones who really got hooked on believing everything Marshy said. Cause most of what he taught were lies designed to make himself a big shot, get himself as much booty as he could, and make a ton of money for himself. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective And yourview points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include peoplewho are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to begrinding on a particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer would say that it is not a cult. The organization's normal behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. Just sayin'... Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No itappears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice formany, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for somefew. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely afair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a sinister cult. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes,using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often usedhere without qualification or material substance, that is the point.But without material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way itgets used against people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult'without qualification the way some writers employ it in method
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/You forgot to post a photo of your King of the Netherlands. Can you spell cognitive dissonance?/ Quoting TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com: From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer would say that it is not a cult. The organization's normal behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. Just sayin'...
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Wrong! You are bristling and taking personally something that has nothing to do with you. I never said you are a cultist. I merely state the fact that the TM Movement is a cult. There are those like my friend Bill, classical guitarist in NC who has been doing TM for more than 40 years, decries the excesses of the Movement yet still does both TM and TM siddhis. I can't say he is a member of a cult. I hope you aren't either, although from your previous exhortations for everyone to flock to the Domes, I dunno. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective And yourview points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include peoplewho are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to begrinding on a particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer would say that it is not a cult. The organization's normal behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. Just sayin'... Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No itappears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice formany, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for somefew. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely afair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a sinister cult. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes,using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often usedhere without qualification or material substance, that is the point.But without material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way itgets used against people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult'without qualification the way some writers employ it in method asslur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups guidelines, again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : 'Cult'this, 'Cult' that, it has
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Yajña is the central concept of Śrauta -- the tradition that follows from the Śruti (Veda). There are many concepts that are based on and evolved from the concept of yajña. The word yajña comes from the root-yaj which means to worship. Yajña is a broad concept which is hard to translate into English. The closest single English word for yajña is sacrifice. This is a core thing in TM and in Marshy's mushy mind that was so steeped in vedic mumbo jumbo. You give or sacrifice butter or soma or whatever to the gods and they reward you with all sorts of stuff. Doesn't seem to have worked too well for the general population of India. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The word yagya MEANS sacrifice. In my book it means to give, unify and perform. Seems like the word sacrifice may have it's origins in the sacred though. Maybe Carde will clear it up? The pundit rituals, the yagyas are fire sacrifices, where they offer clarified butter and other stuff to Agni and the other gods in the fire. To great effect of course... A friend of mine had a yagya at his wedding. It was great fun and we all got covered in ghee and sandalwood. Much chanting ensued and we all sat round a fire. Might even have one myself as it's so much more exciting than a church wedding. That sort of non-devotional attitude might anger the gods though... Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice | | | | | | | | | | | Yajna - The Vedic SacrificeThe meaning, significance and types of Yajnas or Vedic sacrifices performed in Hinduism | | | | View on www.hinduwebsite.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No itappears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice formany, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for somefew. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely afair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat
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Buck is correct. You are using the classic guilt by association tactic in a debate. It is also a classic non sequitur. The current thread concerns the Maharishi School and basic meditation, not the cult you used to work for a few decades ago. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Wrong! You are bristling and taking personally something that has nothing to do with you. We want to know what is happening at the school now, not some rumor and gossip you gleaned from surfing the internet. You've got a bad habit of hijacking every thread for your own agenda. The moderator should have reminded you that this forum is supposed to be a fair and balanced discussion. I never said you are a cultist. I merely state the fact that the TM Movement is a cult. Non sequitur. There are those like my friend Bill, classical guitarist in NC who has been doing TM for more than 40 years, decries the excesses of the Movement yet still does both TM and TM siddhis. Non sequitur. I can't say he is a member of a cult. Non sequitur. I hope you aren't either, although from your previous exhortations for everyone to flock to the Domes, I dunno. Non sequitur. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer would say that it is not a cult. The organization's normal behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. Just sayin'... Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour
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The practice of yajna or fire sacrifice is probably one of the oldest spiritual rituals ever since humans learned how to control fire. Fire in the hearth in very ancient times was probably not for the cooking of food or for warmth, but kept under a mantle as a fetish in order to impress the neighbors. It's not complicated. In the Hindu religion, a 'yajna' is a sacrifice, an oblation, or an offering, a practice derived from the Vedas of ancient India. According to what I've read, there are over 400 yajñas described in the Vedas. The 'sacrifice' as a religious ritual, is common in South Aisa (yagya), Middle Eastern (Zorastrian yasna). A typical Hindu marriage is a yajna... Yajna: Yajna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yajna http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yajna Yajna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yajna In Hinduism, yajña (Sanskrit: यज्ञ; IAST: yajña) (sacrifice) is the ritual act of offering labour or materials. In more formal ceremonies, it is a pract... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yajna Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The word yagya MEANS sacrifice. In my book it means to give, unify and perform. Seems like the word sacrifice may have it's origins in the sacred though. Maybe Carde will clear it up? The pundit rituals, the yagyas are fire sacrifices, where they offer clarified butter and other stuff to Agni and the other gods in the fire. To great effect of course... A friend of mine had a yagya at his wedding. It was great fun and we all got covered in ghee and sandalwood. Much chanting ensued and we all sat round a fire. Might even have one myself as it's so much more exciting than a church wedding. That sort of non-devotional attitude might anger the gods though... Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp The meaning, significance and types of Yajnas or Vedic sacrifices performed in Hinduism View on www.hinduwebsite.com http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp Preview by Yahoo From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Yajña http://www.hindupedia.com/en/A is the central concept of Śrauta -- the tradition that follows from the Śruti (Veda http://www.hindupedia.com/en/Veda). There are many concepts that are based on and evolved from the concept of yajña http://www.hindupedia.com/en/A. The word yajña comes from the root-yaj which means to worship http://www.hindupedia.com/en/Worship. Yajña is a broad concept which is hard to translate into English. The closest single English word for yajña is sacrifice. This is a core thing in TM and in Marshy's mushy mind that was so steeped in vedic mumbo jumbo. You give or sacrifice butter or soma or whatever to the gods and they reward you with all sorts of stuff. Doesn't seem to have worked too well for the general population of India. No. You'd think it would have been declared a null hypothesis by now but they are clearly very optimistic. And as we know there's gold in them thar hills... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The word yagya MEANS sacrifice. In my book it means to give, unify and perform. Seems like the word sacrifice may have it's origins in the sacred though. Maybe Carde will clear it up? The pundit rituals, the yagyas are fire sacrifices, where they offer clarified butter and other stuff to Agni and the other gods in the fire. To great effect of course... A friend of mine had a yagya at his wedding. It was great fun and we all got covered in ghee and sandalwood. Much chanting ensued and we all sat round a fire. Might even have one myself as it's so much more exciting than a church wedding. That sort of non-devotional attitude might anger the gods though... Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp The meaning, significance and types of Yajnas or Vedic sacrifices performed in Hinduism View on www.hinduwebsite.com http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp Preview by Yahoo From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people
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To think, a penniless, short little guy like that, with an animal skin for a bed, looking like a giggling flower salesman, just by the power of his voice alone, persuaded you and thousands of others to ride a bus up to Iowa and live a life of celibacy in pods and work for free. While at the same time, the Marshy guy was lying to everyone with all his talk and acting like a big man on campus, getting all that booty and making a ton of money, while you were washing dishes in the dinning room? What did he have that you didn't? He must have had that something, charisma, and with the sheer force of his personality he was able to found a world-wide movement, amass billions of dollars, and even when he was eighty years old, he was still getting the booty. This guy, the Marshy, sounds very impressive! Or, maybe you are just highly prone to suggestion or to fantasy. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Plus not all forms of meditation come from cults. I also add that in the beginning TM Movement was not so much a cult, but it did quickly become a personality following cult of people who were enamored of Marshy. Non sequitur. As it progressed it became a large group of people including myself who were hoodwinked by a very clever con artist. Non sequitur. Within that vibration, many gained what good they could as they lived their lives. Non sequitur. The ones who came out the worst were the ones who really got hooked on believing everything Marshy said. Non sequitur. Cause most of what he taught were lies designed to make himself a big shot, get himself as much booty as he could, and make a ton of money for himself. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer would say that it is not a cult. The organization's normal behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. Just sayin'... Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The word yagya MEANS sacrifice. In my book it means to give, unify and perform. Seems like the word sacrifice may have it's origins in the sacred though. Maybe Carde will clear it up? The pundit rituals, the yagyas are fire sacrifices, where they offer clarified butter and other stuff to Agni and the other gods in the fire. To great effect of course... A friend of mine had a yagya at his wedding. It was great fun and we all got covered in ghee and sandalwood. Much chanting ensued and we all sat round a fire. Might even have one myself as it's so much more exciting than a church wedding. That sort of non-devotional attitude might anger the gods though... Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp The meaning, significance and types of Yajnas or Vedic sacrifices performed in Hinduism View on www.hinduwebsite.com http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp Preview by Yahoo From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a sinister cult. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance, that is the point. But without material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way it gets used against people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult' without qualification the way some writers employ it in method as slur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups guidelines, again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote
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--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The lack of cultism in meditators is probably a reflection of their ability for critical thinking, logical analysis, and fact-checking, which tend to be in inverse proportion to a person's susceptibility to gullibility. I think everyone here now except for the occasional post from 'emily' is or was a meditator, and what is posted here, all of it, is a reflection of TM's and the TMO's variable effect on people's minds. So what I post, what Steve posts, what Barry posts, what you post, etc., is all a testament to having learned TM, a testament to its effectiveness or its lack of it as the case may be. Sign me up for the lack of effectiveness group. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy
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The lack of cultism in meditators is probably a reflection of their ability for critical thinking, logical analysis, and fact-checking, which tend to be in inverse proportion to a person's susceptibility to gullibility. I think everyone here now except for the occasional post from 'emily' is or was a meditator, and what is posted here, all of it, is a reflection of TM's and the TMO's variable effect on people's minds. So what I post, what Steve posts, what Barry posts, what you post, etc., is all a testament to having learned TM, a testament to its effectiveness or its lack of it as the case may be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : You guys who seem to be hating so much on TM here, did you once learn to meditate? Was it TM? Do you do TM of a form even now when you take quiet time? Are you a meditator practitioner, a TM'er as such, and not a cultist as a practitioner? Evidently you would seem to be one with a lot of meditators here in Fairfield, Iowa. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental Meditation [can be] a simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day, while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. It is easy to learn and enjoyable to practice and is not a religion, philosophy or lifestyle.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : That depends totally on one's point of view. A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would say this is not a cult. This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer would say that it is not a cult. The organization's normal behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. Just sayin'... Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a while To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish? That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and the Jehova's Witnesses. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour
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in the middle of the night on a Greyhound bus to get back to your mother's place. In another two weeks you probably would have been a walking nut-case or a raging maniac. You are to be congratulated on your daring escape from the sex cult, Sir! What I can't understand though, is why you refuse to see a cult-exit counselor or a professional, after going through such a hellish experience for all those years. Go figure. My advice would be for you to get yourself a PTSD dog as a pet to keep you company - take it with you everywhere and to your AA meetings. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Please explain to me how Scientology is not a cult. Then lets deal with the TMO. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Okay it is all or nothing for you and you make no distinction between practitioners and the movements. Not much to converse over with you as such. Evidently they all are cultists in your book without gradation or scope. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If anyone can look at Scientology and the behavior of Scientologists and think its not a cult. And as I have said before, if anyone can look at the Movement with its supposedly celibate King, it robe and crown wearing little king-lets and their tendency to block up or lock up all south facing entrances, avoid solar eclipses and keep the pundits in a stalag and think it isn't a cult So, evidently “religious philosophy” as mentioned in this article is not the same thing as religion. Is religious philosophy necessarily cult-ish in your book? You seem to assert TM is a religious philosophy coming out of religion, like Scientology in this article? Is there a level of religious philosophy where they are just practices or philosophy for people in life. Is there a point where you draw a line between religious philosophy in practice and cults for people? Just wondering, you seem intent on painting cult on everything and everyone. From the article: “It's a religious philosophy, so when I'm sitting there, studying about something, I'm oftentimes sitting next to guys from Nation of Islam and friends who are fully Jewish and other friends who are Catholic and Reverend Alfreddie Johnson, who's a Baptist minister.” Religious philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Religious philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Religious philosophy is philosophical thinking that is inspired and directed by religion. There are different philosophies for each religion such as those of : View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : this one is good too PAPERMAG: Danny Masterson Tells Us About His Life in the Church of Scientology http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php PAPERMAG: Danny Masterson Tells Us About His Life in... http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php Pre-order the issue here View on www.papermag.com http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php Preview by Yahoo From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 12:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective PAPERMAG: Growing Up in Fairfield, Iowa -- America's Transcendental Meditation Mecca http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php PAPERMAG: Growing Up in Fairfield, Iowa -- America's... http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php Among the white barns, brick silos and verdant farmlands of Middle America is the city that Maharishi built. View on www.paperm... http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php Preview by Yahoo
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No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a sinister cult. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance, that is the point. But without material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way it gets used against people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult' without qualification the way some writers employ it in method as slur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups guidelines, again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : 'Cult' this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become so ubiquitous in use. And these same professionals as writers employing 'cult' here complain about what they assert is a lack of creativity or originality in posts.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : You are really asking a lot of the informants, Buck. Using the cult word is one of their favorite straw man arguments. Everyone knows that at least three of the current FFL informants were leaders of a cult years ago. Transference? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Could we get beyond the claim that TM is a 'cult' and not just a practice. They would have us believe that they were all forced into a cult at an early age, held against their will for a decade, brainwashed into believing in a secret doctrine, and then sent out into the world and to online to news forums to preach - like some kind of Manchurian Candidate, but in reverse. Seems that some here have an ideological bias that is intellectually passe in claiming 'brain-washing' and 'cult' as ad hominem. One guy claims he was forced to live inside a pod for two winters in Iowa and work in a hot kitchen every day baking pastries for the leader. On weekends, he was locked inside a golden dome and couldn't escape unless he learned how to fly. Gawd! Some clearly seem to have a personal axe to grind that is other than objective. At one point this particular informant, so he said, refused to set a table for a group dinner and so he got kicked out of the cult and sent packing. He claims to have gone over the fence late one night and took a bus back to his mother's place to hide out. The question now is, is he still brainwashed or not? Apparently he is very susceptible to suggestion. So, how does he get his mind back after being held in a cult against his will? Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? Go figure. The Brainwashing Model Debunked: http://tinyurl.com/y6bzst2 http://tinyurl.com/y6bzst2 Work cited: Anthony, Dick. Religious Movements and Brainwashing Litigation: Evaluating Key Testimony, in Thomas Robbins and Dick Anthony, eds., In Gods We Trust, 2nd ed. New Brunswick, NJ: Transaction Books, 1990.pp 295-344. 1990. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413891 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413891?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma Discrimination, or legal action, against religious groups because someone doesn't like them is clearly a violation of the free exercise of religion
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exerted in cults is not very different from influence that is present in practically every arena of life. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : The definition of a cult implies the element of force or coercion, as in they forced me to work in the kitchen or they forced me to get down on my hands and knees and pray twice a day, or they locked me inside a golden dome and made me try to fly. In your case, they apparently used a mind-control technique and then they put you in a trance-induction state in order to cause your chronic cognitive dissonance. Apparently you were housed alone in a small pod, deprived of sleep and fed only vegetarian food. They forced you to get up at the crack of dawn and work in the kitchen and bakery. Every minute of your day was probably already planned out with assigned minders watching over you to make sure you didn't break your celibacy and your meditation schedule. They probably indoctrinated you with endless hours of tapes, videos and speeches at meetings. For years you were made to bow and scrape in front of the elite administrators of the religious school at ceremonies. This kind of human cult slavery is just outrageous! Gawd! Only when you were fully programmed by the cult would they let you escape from the camp in the middle of the night on a Greyhound bus to get back to your mother's place. In another two weeks you probably would have been a walking nut-case or a raging maniac. You are to be congratulated on your daring escape from the sex cult, Sir! What I can't understand though, is why you refuse to see a cult-exit counselor or a professional, after going through such a hellish experience for all those years. Go figure. My advice would be for you to get yourself a PTSD dog as a pet to keep you company - take it with you everywhere and to your AA meetings. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Please explain to me how Scientology is not a cult. Then lets deal with the TMO. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Okay it is all or nothing for you and you make no distinction between practitioners and the movements. Not much to converse over with you as such. Evidently they all are cultists in your book without gradation or scope. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If anyone can look at Scientology and the behavior of Scientologists and think its not a cult. And as I have said before, if anyone can look at the Movement with its supposedly celibate King, it robe and crown wearing little king-lets and their tendency to block up or lock up all south facing entrances, avoid solar eclipses and keep the pundits in a stalag and think it isn't a cult So, evidently “religious philosophy” as mentioned in this article is not the same thing as religion. Is religious philosophy necessarily cult-ish in your book? You seem to assert TM is a religious philosophy coming out of religion, like Scientology in this article? Is there a level of religious philosophy where they are just practices or philosophy for people in life. Is there a point where you draw a line between religious philosophy in practice and cults for people? Just wondering, you seem intent on painting cult on everything and everyone. From the article: “It's a religious philosophy, so when I'm sitting there, studying about something, I'm oftentimes sitting next to guys from Nation of Islam and friends who are fully Jewish and other friends who are Catholic and Reverend Alfreddie Johnson, who's a Baptist minister.” Religious philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Religious philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Religious philosophy is philosophical thinking that is inspired and directed by religion. There are different philosophies for each religion such as those of : View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : this one is good too PAPERMAG: Danny Masterson Tells Us About His Life in the Church of Scientology http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php PAPERMAG: Danny Masterson Tells Us About His Life in... http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php Pre-order the issue here View on www.papermag.com http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php Preview by Yahoo From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent
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Its not sinister, but it is a cult. From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Re Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here without qualification or material substance.: Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. The problem is that cult has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what was good for them? Zero! That's how many. Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult in the full negative sense. Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a sinister cult. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yes,using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often usedhere without qualification or material substance, that is the point.But without material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way itgets used against people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult'without qualification the way some writers employ it in method asslur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups guidelines, again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : 'Cult'this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become soubiquitous in use. And these same professionals as writers employing'cult' here complain about what they assert is a lack of creativityor originality in posts.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : You are really asking a lot of the informants, Buck. Using the cult word is one of their favorite straw man arguments. Everyone knows that at least three of the current FFL informants were leaders of a cult years ago. Transference? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Could we get beyond the claim that TM is a 'cult' and not just a practice. They would have us believe that they were all forced into a cult at an early age, held against their will for a decade, brainwashed into believing in a secret doctrine, and then sent out into the world and to online to news forums to preach - like some kind of Manchurian Candidate, but in reverse. Seems that some here have an ideological bias that is intellectually passe in claiming 'brain-washing' and 'cult' as ad hominem. One guy claims he was forced to live inside a pod for two winters in Iowa and work in a hot kitchen every day baking pastries for the leader. On weekends, he was locked inside a golden dome and couldn't escape unless he learned how to fly. Gawd! Some clearly seem to have a personal axe to grind that is other than objective. At one point this particular informant, so he said, refused to set a table for a group dinner and so he got kicked out of the cult and sent packing. He claims to have gone over the fence late one night and took a bus back to his mother's place to hide out. The question now is, is he still brainwashed or not? Apparently he is very susceptible to suggestion. So, how does he get his mind back after being held in a cult against his will? Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? Go figure. TheBrainwashing Model Debunked: http://tinyurl.com/y6bzst2 Workcited: Anthony, Dick. Religious Movements andBrainwashing Litigation: Evaluating Key Testimony, in ThomasRobbins and Dick Anthony, eds., In Gods We Trust, 2nded. New Brunswick, NJ: Transaction Books, 1990.pp 295-344. 1990. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413891 Discrimination, or legal action, against religious groups because someone doesn't like them is clearly a violation of the free exercise of religion, a human right increasingly recognized around the world. But the claim of brainwashing shrouds the discrimination by claiming that religious groups are victimizing recruits and potential recruits by employing powerful means of manipulation that are extremely difficult to resist.Social scientists who study religious movements do not reject the general proposition that religious groups (old and new) are capable of having considerable influence over their members. Indeed, most argue that influence
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
dog as a pet to keep you company - take it with you everywhere and to your AA meetings. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Please explain to me how Scientology is not a cult. Then lets deal with the TMO. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Okay it is all or nothing for you and you make no distinction between practitioners and the movements. Not much to converse over with you as such. Evidently they all are cultists in your book without gradation or scope. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If anyone can look at Scientology and the behavior of Scientologists and think its not a cult. And as I have said before, if anyone can look at the Movement with its supposedly celibate King, it robe and crown wearing little king-lets and their tendency to block up or lock up all south facing entrances, avoid solar eclipses and keep the pundits in a stalag and think it isn't a cult So, evidently “religious philosophy” as mentioned in this article is not the same thing as religion. Is religious philosophy necessarily cult-ish in your book? You seem to assert TM is a religious philosophy coming out of religion, like Scientology in this article? Is there a level of religious philosophy where they are just practices or philosophy for people in life. Is there a point where you draw a line between religious philosophy in practice and cults for people? Just wondering, you seem intent on painting cult on everything and everyone. From the article: “It's a religious philosophy, so when I'm sitting there, studying about something, I'm oftentimes sitting next to guys from Nation of Islam and friends who are fully Jewish and other friends who are Catholic and Reverend Alfreddie Johnson, who's a Baptist minister.” Religious philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Religious philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Religious philosophy is philosophical thinking that is inspired and directed by religion. There are different philosophies for each religion such as those of : View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : this one is good too PAPERMAG: Danny Masterson Tells Us About His Life in the Church of Scientology http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php PAPERMAG: Danny Masterson Tells Us About His Life in... http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php Pre-order the issue here View on www.papermag.com http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php Preview by Yahoo From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 12:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective PAPERMAG: Growing Up in Fairfield, Iowa -- America's Transcendental Meditation Mecca http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php PAPERMAG: Growing Up in Fairfield, Iowa -- America's... http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php Among the white barns, brick silos and verdant farmlands of Middle America is the city that Maharishi built. View on www.paperm... http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php Preview by Yahoo
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@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Okay it is all or nothing for you and you make no distinction between practitioners and the movements. Not much to converse over with you as such. Evidently they all are cultists in your book without gradation or scope. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If anyone can look at Scientology and the behavior of Scientologists and think its not a cult. And as I have said before, if anyone can look at the Movement with its supposedly celibate King, it robe and crown wearing little king-lets and their tendency to block up or lock up all south facing entrances, avoid solar eclipses and keep the pundits in a stalag and think it isn't a cult So, evidently “religious philosophy” as mentioned in this article is not the same thing as religion. Is religious philosophy necessarily cult-ish in your book? You seem to assert TM is a religious philosophy coming out of religion, like Scientology in this article? Is there a level of religious philosophy where they are just practices or philosophy for people in life. Is there a point where you draw a line between religious philosophy in practice and cults for people? Just wondering, you seem intent on painting cult on everything and everyone. From the article: “It's a religious philosophy, so when I'm sitting there, studying about something, I'm oftentimes sitting next to guys from Nation of Islam and friends who are fully Jewish and other friends who are Catholic and Reverend Alfreddie Johnson, who's a Baptist minister.” Religious philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Religious philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Religious philosophy is philosophical thinking that is inspired and directed by religion. There are different philosophies for each religion such as those of : View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : this one is good too PAPERMAG: Danny Masterson Tells Us About His Life in the Church of Scientology http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php PAPERMAG: Danny Masterson Tells Us About His Life in... http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php Pre-order the issue here View on www.papermag.com http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php Preview by Yahoo From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 12:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective PAPERMAG: Growing Up in Fairfield, Iowa -- America's Transcendental Meditation Mecca http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php PAPERMAG: Growing Up in Fairfield, Iowa -- America's... http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php Among the white barns, brick silos and verdant farmlands of Middle America is the city that Maharishi built. View on www.paperm... http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php Preview by Yahoo
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
If anyone can look at Scientology and the behavior of Scientologists and think
its not a cult.
And as I have said before, if anyone can look at the Movement with its
supposedly celibate King, it robe and crown wearing little king-lets and their
tendency to block up or lock up all south facing entrances, avoid solar
eclipses and keep the pundits in a stalag and think it isn't a cult
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:23 AM
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So,evidently “religious philosophy” as mentioned in this article isnot the
same thing as religion. Is religious philosophy necessarilycult-ish in your
book? You seem to assert TM is a religiousphilosophy coming out of religion,
like Scientology in this article? Is there a level of religious philosophy
where they are justpractices or philosophy for people in life. Is there a point
whereyou draw a line between religious philosophy in practice and cultsfor
people?Justwondering, you seem intent on painting cult on everything
andeveryone.
Fromthe article:“It'sa religious philosophy, so when I'm sitting there,
studying aboutsomething, I'm oftentimes sitting next to guys from Nation of
Islamand friends who are fully Jewish and other friends who are Catholicand
Reverend Alfreddie Johnson, who's a Baptist minister.”
Religious philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
Please explain to me how Scientology is not a cult. Then lets deal with the
TMO.
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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
Okayit is all or nothing for you and you make no distinction
betweenpractitioners and the movements. Not much to converse over with youas
such. Evidently they all are cultists in your book withoutgradation or scope.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
If anyone can look at Scientology and the behavior of Scientologists and think
its not a cult.
And as I have said before, if anyone can look at the Movement with its
supposedly celibate King, it robe and crown wearing little king-lets and their
tendency to block up or lock up all south facing entrances, avoid solar
eclipses and keep the pundits in a stalag and think it isn't a cult
So,evidently “religious philosophy” as mentioned in this article isnot the
same thing as religion. Is religious philosophy necessarilycult-ish in your
book? You seem to assert TM is a religiousphilosophy coming out of religion,
like Scientology in this article?Is there a level of religious philosophy where
they are justpractices or philosophy for people in life. Is there a point
whereyou draw a line between religious philosophy in practice and cultsfor
people?Justwondering, you seem intent on painting cult on everything
andeveryone.
Fromthe article:“It'sa religious philosophy, so when I'm sitting there,
studying aboutsomething, I'm oftentimes sitting next to guys from Nation of
Islamand friends who are fully Jewish and other friends who are Catholicand
Reverend Alfreddie Johnson, who's a Baptist minister.”
Religious philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
So, evidently “religious philosophy” as mentioned in this article is not the same thing as religion. Is religious philosophy necessarily cult-ish in your book? You seem to assert TM is a religious philosophy coming out of religion, like Scientology in this article? Is there a level of religious philosophy where they are just practices or philosophy for people in life. Is there a point where you draw a line between religious philosophy in practice and cults for people? Just wondering, you seem intent on painting cult on everything and everyone. From the article: “It's a religious philosophy, so when I'm sitting there, studying about something, I'm oftentimes sitting next to guys from Nation of Islam and friends who are fully Jewish and other friends who are Catholic and Reverend Alfreddie Johnson, who's a Baptist minister.” Religious philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Religious philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Religious philosophy is philosophical thinking that is inspired and directed by religion. There are different philosophies for each religion such as those of : View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : this one is good too PAPERMAG: Danny Masterson Tells Us About His Life in the Church of Scientology http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php PAPERMAG: Danny Masterson Tells Us About His Life in... http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php Pre-order the issue here View on www.papermag.com http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php Preview by Yahoo From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 12:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective PAPERMAG: Growing Up in Fairfield, Iowa -- America's Transcendental Meditation Mecca http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php PAPERMAG: Growing Up in Fairfield, Iowa -- America's... http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php Among the white barns, brick silos and verdant farmlands of Middle America is the city that Maharishi built. View on www.paperm... http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
Okay it is all or nothing for you and you make no distinction between practitioners and the movements. Not much to converse over with you as such. Evidently they all are cultists in your book without gradation or scope. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If anyone can look at Scientology and the behavior of Scientologists and think its not a cult. And as I have said before, if anyone can look at the Movement with its supposedly celibate King, it robe and crown wearing little king-lets and their tendency to block up or lock up all south facing entrances, avoid solar eclipses and keep the pundits in a stalag and think it isn't a cult So, evidently “religious philosophy” as mentioned in this article is not the same thing as religion. Is religious philosophy necessarily cult-ish in your book? You seem to assert TM is a religious philosophy coming out of religion, like Scientology in this article? Is there a level of religious philosophy where they are just practices or philosophy for people in life. Is there a point where you draw a line between religious philosophy in practice and cults for people? Just wondering, you seem intent on painting cult on everything and everyone. From the article: “It's a religious philosophy, so when I'm sitting there, studying about something, I'm oftentimes sitting next to guys from Nation of Islam and friends who are fully Jewish and other friends who are Catholic and Reverend Alfreddie Johnson, who's a Baptist minister.” Religious philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Religious philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Religious philosophy is philosophical thinking that is inspired and directed by religion. There are different philosophies for each religion such as those of : View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : this one is good too PAPERMAG: Danny Masterson Tells Us About His Life in the Church of Scientology http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php PAPERMAG: Danny Masterson Tells Us About His Life in... http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php Pre-order the issue here View on www.papermag.com http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php Preview by Yahoo From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 12:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective PAPERMAG: Growing Up in Fairfield, Iowa -- America's Transcendental Meditation Mecca http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php PAPERMAG: Growing Up in Fairfield, Iowa -- America's... http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php Among the white barns, brick silos and verdant farmlands of Middle America is the city that Maharishi built. View on www.paperm... http://www.papermag.com/2015/03/fairfield_iowa_maharishi_transcendental_meditation.php Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
The definition of a cult implies the element of force or coercion, as in they forced me to work in the kitchen or they forced me to get down on my hands and knees and pray twice a day, or they locked me inside a golden dome and made me try to fly. In your case, they apparently used a mind-control technique and then they put you in a trance-induction state in order to cause your chronic cognitive dissonance. Apparently you were housed alone in a small pod, deprived of sleep and fed only vegetarian food. They forced you to get up at the crack of dawn and work in the kitchen and bakery. Every minute of your day was probably already planned out with assigned minders watching over you to make sure you didn't break your celibacy and your meditation schedule. They probably indoctrinated you with endless hours of tapes, videos and speeches at meetings. For years you were made to bow and scrape in front of the elite administrators of the religious school at ceremonies. This kind of human cult slavery is just outrageous! Gawd! Only when you were fully programmed by the cult would they let you escape from the camp in the middle of the night on a Greyhound bus to get back to your mother's place. In another two weeks you probably would have been a walking nut-case or a raging maniac. You are to be congratulated on your daring escape from the sex cult, Sir! What I can't understand though, is why you refuse to see a cult-exit counselor or a professional, after going through such a hellish experience for all those years. Go figure. My advice would be for you to get yourself a PTSD dog as a pet to keep you company - take it with you everywhere and to your AA meetings. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Please explain to me how Scientology is not a cult. Then lets deal with the TMO. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective Okay it is all or nothing for you and you make no distinction between practitioners and the movements. Not much to converse over with you as such. Evidently they all are cultists in your book without gradation or scope. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : If anyone can look at Scientology and the behavior of Scientologists and think its not a cult. And as I have said before, if anyone can look at the Movement with its supposedly celibate King, it robe and crown wearing little king-lets and their tendency to block up or lock up all south facing entrances, avoid solar eclipses and keep the pundits in a stalag and think it isn't a cult So, evidently “religious philosophy” as mentioned in this article is not the same thing as religion. Is religious philosophy necessarily cult-ish in your book? You seem to assert TM is a religious philosophy coming out of religion, like Scientology in this article? Is there a level of religious philosophy where they are just practices or philosophy for people in life. Is there a point where you draw a line between religious philosophy in practice and cults for people? Just wondering, you seem intent on painting cult on everything and everyone. From the article: “It's a religious philosophy, so when I'm sitting there, studying about something, I'm oftentimes sitting next to guys from Nation of Islam and friends who are fully Jewish and other friends who are Catholic and Reverend Alfreddie Johnson, who's a Baptist minister.” Religious philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Religious philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Religious philosophy is philosophical thinking that is inspired and directed by religion. There are different philosophies for each religion such as those of : View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : this one is good too PAPERMAG: Danny Masterson Tells Us About His Life in the Church of Scientology http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php PAPERMAG: Danny Masterson Tells Us About His Life in... http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php Pre-order the issue here View on www.papermag.com http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php Preview by Yahoo From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 12:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective PAPERMAG: Growing Up in Fairfield, Iowa -- America's Transcendental
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