[FairfieldLife] Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Akasha108 writes: Are there / were there any 10 year old adepts doing such transmissions? Tom T: I am reminded of the story of Robert Adams who had a funny little guy who appeared at the end of his bed every night until Adams was 7. After he had woken up in a math exam (age 15), where he used his sidhi for getting the correct answers, he began reading spiritual books. One day in a book store he opened a book and saw a picture of the funny looking little guy who had appeared every night at the end of his bed. None other than Ramana Maharishi. After much persuasion he got his mother to pay his way to India to visit Ramana and the rest is a much longer story. Tom Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Interesting, no mention of the teacher. Who's David Hawkins BTW? On Oct 11, 2005, at 11:56 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: This subject has had a lot of play here from time to time and I thought the following quotation from the book I Reality and Subjectivity by David Hawkins was a very suscinct answer. Page 359 Questioner: There is confusion about the state of enlightenment and about the individual to whom it happens or who is it that has become enlightened. There is a common saying that the truly enlightened being does not claim to be enlightened, so that anybody who states that they are must be in error, Answer: There is great difficulity in describing a condition that is not within the experiental reality of the ego, and especially in answering a question the asking of which stems from the dualistic paradigm of reality of the questioner. An enlightened being *is* their condition; thus, there is no purpose to make a 'claim'. That is an ego view. The personal self does not become enlightened or transformed but instead is assimilated, silenced, and replaced by a different condition altogether. Implied in the common saying that we are discussing is the belief that to disclaim being enlightened is a form of modesty. This is a projection of the spiritual ego of the originator of such a statement for in the condition of enlightenment, no egotism remains. The state is merely a simple fact; it is not an achievment. It has no merits or anything which is laudatory that would require the posture of pseudo-humility. In the naive spiritual community, there is much adulation, charismatic glamour, and the importance attributed to 'enlightened masters', and the like.These are projections. To the enlightened being, the state is merely the natural condition of how it is. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Vaj wrote: Interesting, no mention of the teacher. Who's David Hawkins BTW? Tom T: Had no teacher. Had near death exp at 7 and another one during WWII. Went on to become MD and shrink after WWII and had further understandings. Eventually ended up in 12 step which became his teacher. Wrote Power vs FOrce in 95 and followed up with The Eye of the I in 2000+/- and finished with I Reality and Subjectivity 2003. In the last book which is mostly Q and A he admits meeting with Muktanada and Ramesh Balsekar and both of them verfied and validated. He also allowed that it took almost 10 years of prolonged silence ( he quit his practice and withdrew to Sedona AZ) before he was ready to talk about his standing. I found all of his books to have a number of gems in them. He also set up a scale of Enlightment which appears to be quite usefull since on his scale it extends from a nominal value from 700 to 1200, Pretty broad range and a lot of insight in the third book about that range and the cast of characters that play in it. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Proclaiming ones enlightenment
On Oct 12, 2005, at 10:22 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:Vaj wrote: Interesting, no mention of the teacher. Who's David Hawkins BTW? Tom T: Had no teacher. Had near death exp at 7 and another one during WWII. Went on to become MD and shrink after WWII and had further understandings. Eventually ended up in 12 step which became his teacher. Wrote Power vs FOrce in 95 and followed up with "The Eye of the I" in 2000+/- and finished with I Reality and Subjectivity 2003. In the last book which is mostly Q and A he admits meeting with Muktanada and Ramesh Balsekar and both of them verfied and validated. He also allowed that it took almost 10 years of prolonged silence ( he quit his practice and withdrew to Sedona AZ) before he was ready to talk about his standing. I found all of his books to have a number of gems in them. He also set up a scale of Enlightment which appears to be quite usefull since on his scale it extends from a nominal value from 700 to 1200, Pretty broad range and a lot of insight in the third book about that range and the cast of characters that play in it. Tom T Very interesting, thank you.Can you share anything further about his scale of enlightenment and how it goes? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Proclaiming ones enlightenment
This is one of the clearest responses articulating the condition of I after realization. It's brilliant. Wondering what happens to the I in enlightenment is like asking what happens to the knot after it's untied; what happens to the darkness when the light is turned on. What happens is that they no longer exist. They are not accounted for because they cease to beassimilated, silenced, replaced by no-thing! snip Questioner: There is confusion about the state of enlightenment and about the individual to whom it happens or who is it that has become enlightened. There is a common saying that the truly enlightened being does not claim to be enlightened, so that anybody who states that they are must be in error, Answer: There is great difficulity in describing a condition that is not within the experiental reality of the ego, and especially in answering a question the asking of which stems from the dualistic paradigm of reality of the questioner. An enlightened being *is* their condition; thus, there is no purpose to make a 'claim'. That is an ego view. The personal self does not become enlightened or transformed but instead is assimilated, silenced, and replaced by a different condition altogether. Implied in the common saying that we are discussing is the belief that to disclaim being enlightened is a form of modesty. This is a projection of the spiritual ego of the originator of such a statement for in the condition of enlightenment, no egotism remains. The state is merely a simple fact; it is not an achievment. It has no merits or anything which is laudatory that would require the posture of pseudo-humility. In the naive spiritual community, there is much adulation, charismatic glamour, and the importance attributed to 'enlightened masters', and the like.These are projections. To the enlightened being, the state is merely the natural condition of how it is. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Proclaiming ones enlightenment
On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:39 PM, Peter wrote:This is one of the clearest responses articulating the condition of "I" after realization. It's brilliant. Wondering what happens to the "I" in enlightenment is like asking what happens to the knot after it's untied; what happens to the darkness when the light is turned on. What happens is that they no longer exist. They are not accounted for because they cease to be"assimilated, silenced, replaced" by no-thing! Answer: There is great difficulity in describing acondition that isnot within the experiental reality of the ego, andespecially inanswering a question the asking of which stems fromthe dualisticparadigm of reality of the questioner. Anenlightened being *is* theircondition; thus, there is no purpose to make a'claim'. That is an egoview.The personal self does not become enlightened ortransformed butinstead is assimilated, silenced, and replaced by adifferentcondition altogether.Implied in the common saying that we are discussingis the belief thatto disclaim being enlightened is a form of modesty.This is aprojection of the spiritual ego of the originator ofsuch a statementfor in the condition of enlightenment, no egotismremains. The stateis merely a simple fact; it is not an achievment. Ithas no merits oranything which is laudatory that would require theposture ofpseudo-humility. In the naive spiritual community,there is muchadulation, charismatic glamour, and the importanceattributed to'enlightened masters', and the like.These areprojections. To theenlightened being, the state is merely the naturalcondition of how it is.From my POV it represents a fundamental misunderstanding of the eastern experience of "ahamkara" (translated often as "ego") and the Freudian, psychological or New Age idea of "ego". The two are not the same, although many assume they are. When you lose ahamkara, you lose the ability to identify with your body. In laymen's terms, you die. In general, organs and cells don't like it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Tom T: I have two friends who are Enlightened Spare egg writes: And you know this because? Tom T: Takes one to know one. and as Rick insinuated I know a lot more than two. More like 32 or so. I was referring to these specific two who had the same experience independently of each other. Your milage may vary. Tom Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Vaj writes: Can you share anything further about his scale of enlightenment and how it goes? The upper limit scale goes like this. The entire thing is way too long to copy. Tom T Sainthood 575 Very close to Enlightenment Bliss 575+ Sat chit ananda Enlightenment 600 Bliss replaced by peace, stillness, and silence I Am 650 Awareness of the I as beingness or is-ness Self 680 As Existence Sage 700 Sage 740 Self as God Manifest I (as a total statement)740 As the Ultimate Reality; the Supreme Self 840 As beyond Existence or Nonexistence Avatar 985 Buddahood 1000 At-oneness with God Manifest and Unmanifest Krishna/Christ Consciousness 1000 At-oneness woith GOd Manifest and Unmanifest I 1100 as the Ultimate Reality beyond this dimension transcending dimensions. I 1200 As essence of Creation Archangel 50,000+ Divinity Infinite Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Proclaiming ones enlightenment
This subject has had a lot of play here from time to time and I thought the following quotation from the book I Reality and Subjectivity by David Hawkins was a very suscinct answer. Page 359 Questioner: There is confusion about the state of enlightenment and about the individual to whom it happens or who is it that has become enlightened. There is a common saying that the truly enlightened being does not claim to be enlightened, so that anybody who states that they are must be in error, Answer: There is great difficulity in describing a condition that is not within the experiental reality of the ego, and especially in answering a question the asking of which stems from the dualistic paradigm of reality of the questioner. An enlightened being *is* their condition; thus, there is no purpose to make a 'claim'. That is an ego view. The personal self does not become enlightened or transformed but instead is assimilated, silenced, and replaced by a different condition altogether. Implied in the common saying that we are discussing is the belief that to disclaim being enlightened is a form of modesty. This is a projection of the spiritual ego of the originator of such a statement for in the condition of enlightenment, no egotism remains. The state is merely a simple fact; it is not an achievment. It has no merits or anything which is laudatory that would require the posture of pseudo-humility. In the naive spiritual community, there is much adulation, charismatic glamour, and the importance attributed to 'enlightened masters', and the like.These are projections. To the enlightened being, the state is merely the natural condition of how it is. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
