Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Bhairitu]

Corporate lawyers like to patent anything that isn't nailed down.  The 
board of directors for the software company I worked for wanted 
patents.  So I had to put together a patent program with a patent 
attorney even though none of us wanted to do it.  Software patents are 
particularly ridiculous because often you are patenting something that 
is just the way a computer works.  But because it wasn't patented before 
it could be patented.  As reported last week the Supreme Court is going 
to be hearing this issue.


India was appalled that a pharmaceutical company patented neem so they 
put together a program to patent all the various herbs and make them 
open just to prevent any more outrageous actions like that.


Disney lawyers ruined copyrights just so Disney could keep selling their 
1930s cartoons forever.  The DMCA has been referred to as Disney vs the 
Internet.


On 12/09/2013 01:33 AM, Jason wrote:



Thanks for raising this issue Bhairitu.

Right now, patent period for patent holders is 20 years,
which IMO is too long.  This is one of the reasons why new
inventions take too long to become cheap.

Take for instance the Compact-Disk developed by Philips and
Sony. It took 20 years for CD's to become cheap.

A shorter patent term of say, 8 years is quite enough for
the patent holder to recover his costs.

Secondly patents should be managed by a UN based body. This
will bring global uniformity regarding patent rights.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Share Long]

Thanks, Jason, I learned something about patents from your post.





On Monday, December 9, 2013 3:34 AM, Jason  wrote:
 
  

Thanks for raising this issue Bhairitu.

Right now, patent period for patent holders is 20 years, 
which IMO is too long.  This is one of the reasons why new 
inventions take too long to become cheap.

Take for instance the Compact-Disk developed by Philips and 
Sony. It took 20 years for CD's to become cheap. 

A shorter patent term of say, 8 years is quite enough for 
the patent holder to recover his costs.

Secondly patents should be managed by a UN based body. This 
will bring global uniformity regarding patent rights.


---  Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> The country needs to be about 90% socialist and 10% capitalist (actually 
> free enterprise).  The latter would take care of the folks who want to 
> work for themselves and the former the majority who don't want to worry 
> about running a company.  You would need to limit the size of companies 
> though.  Allowing for mega corporations has proven to be a real problem.
> 
> Government needs to be transparent and transcendental or "not in your 
> face."  A lot of laws on US books (including copyright) need to be 
> thrown out and about the only way that will ever happen is for the US to 
> collapse as the former Soviet Union did.  The problem is there will be a 
> struggle as those who are so mentally imbalanced that they feel the need 
> to be "king  of the hill" will try to grab up everything they can.
> 
> On 12/08/2013 02:22 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hey Bhairitu, the first thing that needs to be done is to
> > de-link the 'political-system' from the economic-system.
> >
> > Of course, you can't ban private donations. That would go
> > against the very spirit of democracy and freedom.
> >
> > However, you can create a situation in which there is no
> > incentive for political parties to seek private donations.
> > Besides, you can add a law that bars corporations from
> > donating more that 10% percent of their profits to political
> > parties.
> >
> > Capitalism works very well for the economic system.
> >
> > Capitalism works very badly for the political system.
> >
> > Capitalism works very badly for the cultural systems.
> >
> > Both, political system and cultural systems need to be based
> > on Socialism.  Consider all the three systems as three
> > corners of a triangle.
> >
> >
> > ---  Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > The point is Mike that the Santa Clara vs Southern Pacific Railroad 
> > case
> > > was the end of the more restrictive rules on corporations.  It was the
> > > first step toward corporate personhood.  What it seemed to bring were
> > > many states limitations on the life span of a corporation which back
> > > then was around 40 years.  I'm going to provide some good articles here
> > > analyzing it's effects for you and others who are interested.
> > >
> > > History of regulations on corporations:
> > > 
> > http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate-accountability-history-corporations-us/
> > >
> > > Long excerpt from Thom Hartmann's book:
> > > http://www.thomhartmann.com/unequal-protection/excerpt-theft
> > >
> > > Surely you don't think that mega-corporations are good for the 
> > world, do
> > > you?  I've heard arguments that big corporations make new technologies
> > > possible.  But that is not true.  Big corporations buy up little
> > > companies who create new technologies. IBM, Microsoft, Apple and Google
> > > have done that for years. Android was developed by a small company that
> > > Google bought.
> > >
> > > Surely you don't think that wealth inequality is a good thing, do you?
> > > Shouldn't there be a cap on salaries?  It seems to me the planet is
> > > being raided by a bunch of mobsters masquerading as corporations.  This
> > > was more blatant in the former Soviet Union after it fell and oligarchs
> > > popped up raiding what they could.
> > >
> > > Wouldn't you like your dollar to go a lot farther than it does now?
> > > This is NOT a partisan issue.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/06/2013 10:30 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> > > > Share I was asking Bharitu what his point was,regarding that court
> > > > case he was sighting.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Friday, December 6, 2013 7:18 AM, Share Long
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike, my point was and is: it's all pretty funny so I hope you can
> > > > just enjoy the humor of it all (-:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Friday, December 6, 2013 8:52 AM, Mike Dixon
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So , what was your point?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:05 AM, Share Long
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > I think we got a barbell situation right here on FFL!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:02 PM, Jason 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You don't understand. It's called the barbell strategy. You
> > > > create a system which has some positives and drawbacks. You
> > > > again create another reverse mirror image system. The two
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Jason]

Thanks for raising this issue Bhairitu.

Right now, patent period for patent holders is 20 years,
which IMO is too long.  This is one of the reasons why new
inventions take too long to become cheap.

Take for instance the Compact-Disk developed by Philips and
Sony. It took 20 years for CD's to become cheap.

A shorter patent term of say, 8 years is quite enough for
the patent holder to recover his costs.

Secondly patents should be managed by a UN based body. This
will bring global uniformity regarding patent rights.


---  Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> The country needs to be about 90% socialist and 10% capitalist
(actually
> free enterprise).  The latter would take care of the folks who want to
> work for themselves and the former the majority who don't want to
worry
> about running a company.  You would need to limit the size of
companies
> though.  Allowing for mega corporations has proven to be a real
problem.
>
> Government needs to be transparent and transcendental or "not in your
> face."  A lot of laws on US books (including copyright) need to be
> thrown out and about the only way that will ever happen is for the US
to
> collapse as the former Soviet Union did.  The problem is there will be
a
> struggle as those who are so mentally imbalanced that they feel the
need
> to be "king  of the hill" will try to grab up everything they can.
>
> On 12/08/2013 02:22 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hey Bhairitu, the first thing that needs to be done is to
> > de-link the 'political-system' from the economic-system.
> >
> > Of course, you can't ban private donations. That would go
> > against the very spirit of democracy and freedom.
> >
> > However, you can create a situation in which there is no
> > incentive for political parties to seek private donations.
> > Besides, you can add a law that bars corporations from
> > donating more that 10% percent of their profits to political
> > parties.
> >
> > Capitalism works very well for the economic system.
> >
> > Capitalism works very badly for the political system.
> >
> > Capitalism works very badly for the cultural systems.
> >
> > Both, political system and cultural systems need to be based
> > on Socialism.  Consider all the three systems as three
> > corners of a triangle.
> >
> >
> > ---  Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > The point is Mike that the Santa Clara vs Southern Pacific
Railroad
> > case
> > > was the end of the more restrictive rules on corporations.  It was
the
> > > first step toward corporate personhood.  What it seemed to bring
were
> > > many states limitations on the life span of a corporation which
back
> > > then was around 40 years.  I'm going to provide some good articles
here
> > > analyzing it's effects for you and others who are interested.
> > >
> > > History of regulations on corporations:
> > >
> >
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate-accountability-history-corporation\
s-us/
> > >
> > > Long excerpt from Thom Hartmann's book:
> > > http://www.thomhartmann.com/unequal-protection/excerpt-theft
> > >
> > > Surely you don't think that mega-corporations are good for the
> > world, do
> > > you?  I've heard arguments that big corporations make new
technologies
> > > possible.  But that is not true.  Big corporations buy up little
> > > companies who create new technologies. IBM, Microsoft, Apple and
Google
> > > have done that for years. Android was developed by a small company
that
> > > Google bought.
> > >
> > > Surely you don't think that wealth inequality is a good thing, do
you?
> > > Shouldn't there be a cap on salaries?  It seems to me the planet
is
> > > being raided by a bunch of mobsters masquerading as corporations. 
This
> > > was more blatant in the former Soviet Union after it fell and
oligarchs
> > > popped up raiding what they could.
> > >
> > > Wouldn't you like your dollar to go a lot farther than it does
now?
> > > This is NOT a partisan issue.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/06/2013 10:30 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> > > > Share I was asking Bharitu what his point was,regarding that
court
> > > > case he was sighting.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Friday, December 6, 2013 7:18 AM, Share Long
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike, my point was and is: it's all pretty funny so I hope you
can
> > > > just enjoy the humor of it all (-:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Friday, December 6, 2013 8:52 AM, Mike Dixon
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So , what was your point?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:05 AM, Share Long
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > I think we got a barbell situation right here on FFL!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:02 PM, Jason 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You don't understand. It's called the barbell strategy. You
> > > > create a system which has some positives and drawbacks. You
> > > > again create another reverse mirror image system. The two
> > > > systems balance each other out.
> > > >
> > > > A 'socialistic political system' will balance out a
> > > > 'capitalistic economic system

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[doctordumbass]

I saw a fascinating interview on France 24, recently -- the equivalent of BBC 
world service. It was with President Goodluck Jonathan, of Nigeria. 
 

 He was explaining how Nelson Mandela changed African politics, by having a 
broader vision for South Africa, and the ability to carry it out, than the 
traditional nepotism that had been the standard, and still is, in much of 
Africa. 
 

 He also spoke with an intelligence, and clear understanding of his country's 
challenges, and global position, without all of the rhetoric, sloganeering, and 
vague promises, aka bullshit, that underpins politics in the US. An impressive 
leader - makes us look like a bunch of ADD kids - lol.
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Bhairitu]

The country needs to be about 90% socialist and 10% capitalist (actually 
free enterprise).  The latter would take care of the folks who want to 
work for themselves and the former the majority who don't want to worry 
about running a company.  You would need to limit the size of companies 
though.  Allowing for mega corporations has proven to be a real problem.


Government needs to be transparent and transcendental or "not in your 
face."  A lot of laws on US books (including copyright) need to be 
thrown out and about the only way that will ever happen is for the US to 
collapse as the former Soviet Union did.  The problem is there will be a 
struggle as those who are so mentally imbalanced that they feel the need 
to be "king  of the hill" will try to grab up everything they can.


On 12/08/2013 02:22 AM, Jason wrote:



Hey Bhairitu, the first thing that needs to be done is to
de-link the 'political-system' from the economic-system.

Of course, you can't ban private donations. That would go
against the very spirit of democracy and freedom.

However, you can create a situation in which there is no
incentive for political parties to seek private donations.
Besides, you can add a law that bars corporations from
donating more that 10% percent of their profits to political
parties.

Capitalism works very well for the economic system.

Capitalism works very badly for the political system.

Capitalism works very badly for the cultural systems.

Both, political system and cultural systems need to be based
on Socialism.  Consider all the three systems as three
corners of a triangle.


---  Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> The point is Mike that the Santa Clara vs Southern Pacific Railroad 
case

> was the end of the more restrictive rules on corporations.  It was the
> first step toward corporate personhood.  What it seemed to bring were
> many states limitations on the life span of a corporation which back
> then was around 40 years.  I'm going to provide some good articles here
> analyzing it's effects for you and others who are interested.
>
> History of regulations on corporations:
> 
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate-accountability-history-corporations-us/

>
> Long excerpt from Thom Hartmann's book:
> http://www.thomhartmann.com/unequal-protection/excerpt-theft
>
> Surely you don't think that mega-corporations are good for the 
world, do

> you?  I've heard arguments that big corporations make new technologies
> possible.  But that is not true.  Big corporations buy up little
> companies who create new technologies. IBM, Microsoft, Apple and Google
> have done that for years. Android was developed by a small company that
> Google bought.
>
> Surely you don't think that wealth inequality is a good thing, do you?
> Shouldn't there be a cap on salaries?  It seems to me the planet is
> being raided by a bunch of mobsters masquerading as corporations.  This
> was more blatant in the former Soviet Union after it fell and oligarchs
> popped up raiding what they could.
>
> Wouldn't you like your dollar to go a lot farther than it does now?
> This is NOT a partisan issue.
>
>
> On 12/06/2013 10:30 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> > Share I was asking Bharitu what his point was,regarding that court
> > case he was sighting.
> >
> >
> > On Friday, December 6, 2013 7:18 AM, Share Long
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Mike, my point was and is: it's all pretty funny so I hope you can
> > just enjoy the humor of it all (-:
> >
> >
> > On Friday, December 6, 2013 8:52 AM, Mike Dixon
> >  wrote:
> >
> > So , what was your point?
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:05 AM, Share Long
> >  wrote:
> > I think we got a barbell situation right here on FFL!
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:02 PM, Jason 
> > wrote:
> >
> > You don't understand. It's called the barbell strategy. You
> > create a system which has some positives and drawbacks. You
> > again create another reverse mirror image system. The two
> > systems balance each other out.
> >
> > A 'socialistic political system' will balance out a
> > 'capitalistic economic system'.
> >
> > Political subsidies for political parties will ease the
> > pressure off the parties and prevent them from playing to
> > the gallery. They will stop worrying about funds and start
> > focussing on real policies for growth.
> >
> > It also prevents crony capitalism and promotes real
> > pro-market capitalism.
> >
> >
> > ---  wrote:
> > >
> > > Re "At least, 3% of the total budget should be allocated to
> > political parties as subsidies.":
> > >
> > >
> > >  WTF! I don't want one cent of my money to go to a political party.
> > Let them pay for their own propaganda.
> > > Extremist parties wouldn't arise if mainstream parties actually
> > pursued policies that were in the interests of the voters. How hard
> > can it be?
> > >
> > >
> > > > > ---  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Re "Capitalist governments shouldn't be bailing anybody out 
. . . If

> > > > > the government takes the risk out of the equa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Jason]

Hey Bhairitu, the first thing that needs to be done is to
de-link the 'political-system' from the economic-system.

Of course, you can't ban private donations. That would go
against the very spirit of democracy and freedom.

However, you can create a situation in which there is no
incentive for political parties to seek private donations.
Besides, you can add a law that bars corporations from
donating more that 10% percent of their profits to political
parties.

Capitalism works very well for the economic system.

Capitalism works very badly for the political system.

Capitalism works very badly for the cultural systems.

Both, political system and cultural systems need to be based
on Socialism.  Consider all the three systems as three
corners of a triangle.


---  Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> The point is Mike that the Santa Clara vs Southern Pacific Railroad
case
> was the end of the more restrictive rules on corporations.  It was the
> first step toward corporate personhood.  What it seemed to bring were
> many states limitations on the life span of a corporation which back
> then was around 40 years.  I'm going to provide some good articles
here
> analyzing it's effects for you and others who are interested.
>
> History of regulations on corporations:
>
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate-accountability-history-corporation\
s-us/
>
> Long excerpt from Thom Hartmann's book:
> http://www.thomhartmann.com/unequal-protection/excerpt-theft
>
> Surely you don't think that mega-corporations are good for the world,
do
> you?  I've heard arguments that big corporations make new technologies
> possible.  But that is not true.  Big corporations buy up little
> companies who create new technologies. IBM, Microsoft, Apple and
Google
> have done that for years. Android was developed by a small company
that
> Google bought.
>
> Surely you don't think that wealth inequality is a good thing, do you?
> Shouldn't there be a cap on salaries?  It seems to me the planet is
> being raided by a bunch of mobsters masquerading as corporations. 
This
> was more blatant in the former Soviet Union after it fell and
oligarchs
> popped up raiding what they could.
>
> Wouldn't you like your dollar to go a lot farther than it does now?
> This is NOT a partisan issue.
>
>
> On 12/06/2013 10:30 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> > Share I was asking Bharitu what his point was,regarding that court
> > case he was sighting.
> >
> >
> > On Friday, December 6, 2013 7:18 AM, Share Long
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Mike, my point was and is: it's all pretty funny so I hope you can
> > just enjoy the humor of it all (-:
> >
> >
> > On Friday, December 6, 2013 8:52 AM, Mike Dixon
> >  wrote:
> >
> > So , what was your point?
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:05 AM, Share Long
> >  wrote:
> > I think we got a barbell situation right here on FFL!
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:02 PM, Jason 
> > wrote:
> >
> > You don't understand. It's called the barbell strategy. You
> > create a system which has some positives and drawbacks. You
> > again create another reverse mirror image system. The two
> > systems balance each other out.
> >
> > A 'socialistic political system' will balance out a
> > 'capitalistic economic system'.
> >
> > Political subsidies for political parties will ease the
> > pressure off the parties and prevent them from playing to
> > the gallery. They will stop worrying about funds and start
> > focussing on real policies for growth.
> >
> > It also prevents crony capitalism and promotes real
> > pro-market capitalism.
> >
> >
> > ---  wrote:
> > >
> > > Re "At least, 3% of the total budget should be allocated to
> > political parties as subsidies.":
> > >
> > >
> > >  WTF! I don't want one cent of my money to go to a political
party.
> > Let them pay for their own propaganda.
> > > Extremist parties wouldn't arise if mainstream parties actually
> > pursued policies that were in the interests of the voters. How hard
> > can it be?
> > >
> > >
> > > > > ---  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Re "Capitalist governments shouldn't be bailing anybody out .
. . If
> > > > > the government takes the risk out of the equation by offering
a
> > bailout,
> > > > > any fool could run a business and risk everyone's investments
in
> > it with
> > > > > no lessons learned.:"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Precisely my point. You can argue that we should move towards
a more
> > > > > Ayn Rand set-up and get governments off our backs. It's states
> > offering
> > > > > bailouts that has encouraged the banks to take idiotic risks.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You could argue the opposite though - financial institutions
should
> > > > > come under more strenuous oversight from financial regulators
> > with the
> > > > > state limiting bonuses and having a veto on risky investments.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's the current mixed-economy model that isn't fit for
purpose.
> > > > > "Bankers socialism" pisses off everyone.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Mike Dixon]

Share I was asking Bharitu what his point was,regarding that court case he was 
sighting.



On Friday, December 6, 2013 7:18 AM, Share Long  wrote:
  
  
Mike, my point was and is: it's all pretty funny so I hope you can just enjoy 
the humor of it all (-:






On Friday, December 6, 2013 8:52 AM, Mike Dixon  wrote:
  
  
So , what was your point?



On Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:05 AM, Share Long  
wrote:
  
  
I think we got a barbell situation right here on FFL!




On Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:02 PM, Jason  wrote:
  
  

You don't understand. It's called the barbell strategy. You 
create a system which has some positives and drawbacks. You 
again create another reverse mirror image system. The two 
systems balance each other out.

A 'socialistic political system' will balance out a 
'capitalistic economic system'.

Political subsidies for political parties will ease the 
pressure off the parties and prevent them from playing to 
the gallery.  They will stop worrying about funds and start 
focussing on real policies for growth.

It also prevents crony capitalism and promotes real 
pro-market capitalism.


---  
 wrote:
>
> Re "At least, 3% of the total budget should be allocated to political parties 
> as subsidies.":
>  
> 
>  WTF! I don't want one cent of my money to go to a political party. Let them 
>pay for their own propaganda. 
>  Extremist parties wouldn't arise if mainstream parties actually pursued 
>policies that were in the interests of the voters. How hard can it be?
>
>
> > > ---   wrote:
> > > 
> > > Re "Capitalist governments shouldn't be bailing anybody out . . . If
> > > the government takes the risk out of the equation by offering a bailout,
> > > any fool could run a business and risk everyone's investments in
 it with
> > > no lessons learned.:"
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Precisely my point. You can argue that we should move towards a more
> > > Ayn Rand set-up and get governments off our backs. It's states offering
> > > bailouts that has encouraged the banks to take idiotic risks.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > You could argue the opposite though - financial institutions should
> > > come under more strenuous oversight from financial regulators with the
> > > state limiting bonuses and having a veto on risky investments.
> > > 
> > > 
> >  > It's the current mixed-economy model that isn't fit
 for purpose.
> > > "Bankers socialism" pisses off everyone.
> > > 
> > > 
> > ---  "Jason"  wrote:
> > 
> > The 'capitalistic political system' is the greatest dogma of
> > the 20th century.
> > 
> > The 'socialistic economic system' is the second greatest
> > dogma of the 20th century.
> >
> > A 'capitalistic political system' is tantamount to
> > 'corporate dictatorship'.
> > 
> > Atleast, 3% percent of the total budget money should be
> > allocated to political parties as political subsidies.
> > These political subsidies should be distributed to
 parties
> > on vote proportion basis.  This will force political parties
> > to take a more centrist position and prevent extreme fringe
> > ideologies from arising.
> > 

   

   

   

  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Share Long]

Mike, my point was and is: it's all pretty funny so I hope you can just enjoy 
the humor of it all (-:






On Friday, December 6, 2013 8:52 AM, Mike Dixon  wrote:
 
  
So , what was your point?



On Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:05 AM, Share Long  
wrote:
 
  
I think we got a barbell situation right here on FFL!




On Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:02 PM, Jason  wrote:
 
  

You don't understand. It's called the barbell strategy. You 
create a system which has some positives and drawbacks. You 
again create another reverse mirror image system. The two 
systems balance each other out.

A 'socialistic political system' will balance out a 
'capitalistic economic system'.

Political subsidies for political parties will ease the 
pressure off the parties and prevent them from playing to 
the gallery.  They will stop worrying about funds and start 
focussing on real policies for growth.

It also prevents crony capitalism and promotes real 
pro-market capitalism.


---  
 wrote:
>
> Re "At least, 3% of the total budget should be allocated to political parties 
> as subsidies.":
>  
> 
>  WTF! I don't want one cent of my money to go to a political party. Let them 
>pay for their own propaganda. 
>  Extremist parties wouldn't arise if mainstream parties actually pursued 
>policies that were in the interests of the voters. How hard can it be?
>
>
> > > ---   wrote:
> > > 
> > > Re "Capitalist governments shouldn't be bailing anybody out . . . If
> > > the government takes the risk out of the equation by offering a bailout,
> > > any fool could run a business and risk everyone's investments in
 it with
> > > no lessons learned.:"
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Precisely my point. You can argue that we should move towards a more
> > > Ayn Rand set-up and get governments off our backs. It's states offering
> > > bailouts that has encouraged the banks to take idiotic risks.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > You could argue the opposite though - financial institutions should
> > > come under more strenuous oversight from financial regulators with the
> > > state limiting bonuses and having a veto on risky investments.
> > > 
> > > 
> >  > It's the current mixed-economy model that isn't fit
 for purpose.
> > > "Bankers socialism" pisses off everyone.
> > > 
> > > 
> > ---  "Jason"  wrote:
> > 
> > The 'capitalistic political system' is the greatest dogma of
> > the 20th century.
> > 
> > The 'socialistic economic system' is the second greatest
> > dogma of the 20th century.
> >
> > A 'capitalistic political system' is tantamount to
> > 'corporate dictatorship'.
> > 
> > Atleast, 3% percent of the total budget money should be
> > allocated to political parties as political subsidies.
> > These political subsidies should be distributed to
 parties
> > on vote proportion basis.  This will force political parties
> > to take a more centrist position and prevent extreme fringe
> > ideologies from arising.
> > 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Mike Dixon]

So , what was your point?




On Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:05 AM, Share Long  
wrote:
  
  
I think we got a barbell situation right here on FFL!




On Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:02 PM, Jason  wrote:
  
  

You don't understand. It's called the barbell strategy. You 
create a system which has some positives and drawbacks. You 
again create another reverse mirror image system. The two 
systems balance each other out.

A 'socialistic political system' will balance out a 
'capitalistic economic system'.

Political subsidies for political parties will ease the 
pressure off the parties and prevent them from playing to 
the gallery.  They will stop worrying about funds and start 
focussing on real policies for growth.

It also prevents crony capitalism and promotes real 
pro-market capitalism.


---  
 wrote:
>
> Re "At least, 3% of the total budget should be allocated to political parties 
> as subsidies.":
>  
> 
>  WTF! I don't want one cent of my money to go to a political party. Let them 
>pay for their own propaganda. 
>  Extremist parties wouldn't arise if mainstream parties actually pursued 
>policies that were in the interests of the voters. How hard can it be?
>
>
> > > ---   wrote:
> > > 
> > > Re "Capitalist governments shouldn't be bailing anybody out . . . If
> > > the government takes the risk out of the equation by offering a bailout,
> > > any fool could run a business and risk everyone's investments in
 it with
> > > no lessons learned.:"
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Precisely my point. You can argue that we should move towards a more
> > > Ayn Rand set-up and get governments off our backs. It's states offering
> > > bailouts that has encouraged the banks to take idiotic risks.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > You could argue the opposite though - financial institutions should
> > > come under more strenuous oversight from financial regulators with the
> > > state limiting bonuses and having a veto on risky investments.
> > > 
> > > 
> >  > It's the current mixed-economy model that isn't fit
 for purpose.
> > > "Bankers socialism" pisses off everyone.
> > > 
> > > 
> > ---  "Jason"  wrote:
> > 
> > The 'capitalistic political system' is the greatest dogma of
> > the 20th century.
> > 
> > The 'socialistic economic system' is the second greatest
> > dogma of the 20th century.
> >
> > A 'capitalistic political system' is tantamount to
> > 'corporate dictatorship'.
> > 
> > Atleast, 3% percent of the total budget money should be
> > allocated to political parties as political subsidies.
> > These political subsidies should be distributed to
 parties
> > on vote proportion basis.  This will force political parties
> > to take a more centrist position and prevent extreme fringe
> > ideologies from arising.
> > 

   

  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Share Long]

I think we got a barbell situation right here on FFL!





On Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:02 PM, Jason  wrote:
 
  

You don't understand. It's called the barbell strategy. You 
create a system which has some positives and drawbacks. You 
again create another reverse mirror image system. The two 
systems balance each other out.

A 'socialistic political system' will balance out a 
'capitalistic economic system'.

Political subsidies for political parties will ease the 
pressure off the parties and prevent them from playing to 
the gallery.  They will stop worrying about funds and start 
focussing on real policies for growth.

It also prevents crony capitalism and promotes real 
pro-market capitalism.


---   wrote:
>
> Re "At least, 3% of the total budget should be allocated to political parties 
> as subsidies.":
>  
> 
>  WTF! I don't want one cent of my money to go to a political party. Let them 
>pay for their own propaganda. 
>  Extremist parties wouldn't arise if mainstream parties actually pursued 
>policies that were in the interests of the voters. How hard can it be?
>
>
> > > ---   wrote:
> > > 
> > > Re "Capitalist governments shouldn't be bailing anybody out . . . If
> > > the government takes the risk out of the equation by offering a bailout,
> > > any fool could run a business and risk everyone's investments in it with
> > > no lessons learned.:"
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Precisely my point. You can argue that we should move towards a more
> > > Ayn Rand set-up and get governments off our backs. It's states offering
> > > bailouts that has encouraged the banks to take idiotic risks.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > You could argue the opposite though - financial institutions should
> > > come under more strenuous oversight from financial regulators with the
> > > state limiting bonuses and having a veto on risky investments.
> > > 
> > > 
> >  > It's the current mixed-economy model that isn't fit for purpose.
> > > "Bankers socialism" pisses off everyone.
> > > 
> > > 
> > ---  "Jason"  wrote:
> > 
> > The 'capitalistic political system' is the greatest dogma of
> > the 20th century.
> > 
> > The 'socialistic economic system' is the second greatest
> > dogma of the 20th century.
> >
> > A 'capitalistic political system' is tantamount to
> > 'corporate dictatorship'.
> > 
> > Atleast, 3% percent of the total budget money should be
> > allocated to political parties as political subsidies.
> > These political subsidies should be distributed to parties
> > on vote proportion basis.  This will force political parties
> > to take a more centrist position and prevent extreme fringe
> > ideologies from arising.
> > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Jason]

You don't understand. It's called the barbell strategy. You
create a system which has some positives and drawbacks. You
again create another reverse mirror image system. The two
systems balance each other out.

A 'socialistic political system' will balance out a
'capitalistic economic system'.

Political subsidies for political parties will ease the
pressure off the parties and prevent them from playing to
the gallery.  They will stop worrying about funds and start
focussing on real policies for growth.

It also prevents crony capitalism and promotes real
pro-market capitalism.


---   wrote:
>
> Re "At least, 3% of the total budget should be allocated to political
parties as subsidies.":
>
>
>  WTF! I don't want one cent of my money to go to a political party.
Let them pay for their own propaganda.
>  Extremist parties wouldn't arise if mainstream parties actually
pursued policies that were in the interests of the voters. How hard can
it be?
>
>
> > > ---   wrote:
> > >
> > > Re "Capitalist governments shouldn't be bailing anybody out . . .
If
> > > the government takes the risk out of the equation by offering a
bailout,
> > > any fool could run a business and risk everyone's investments in
it with
> > > no lessons learned.:"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Precisely my point. You can argue that we should move towards a
more
> > > Ayn Rand set-up and get governments off our backs. It's states
offering
> > > bailouts that has encouraged the banks to take idiotic risks.
> > >
> > >
> > > You could argue the opposite though - financial institutions
should
> > > come under more strenuous oversight from financial regulators with
the
> > > state limiting bonuses and having a veto on risky investments.
> > >
> > >
> >  > It's the current mixed-economy model that isn't fit for purpose.
> > > "Bankers socialism" pisses off everyone.
> > >
> > >
> > ---  "Jason"  wrote:
> >
> > The 'capitalistic political system' is the greatest dogma of
> > the 20th century.
> >
> > The 'socialistic economic system' is the second greatest
> > dogma of the 20th century.
> >
> > A 'capitalistic political system' is tantamount to
> > 'corporate dictatorship'.
> >
> > Atleast, 3% percent of the total budget money should be
> > allocated to political parties as political subsidies.
> > These political subsidies should be distributed to parties
> > on vote proportion basis.  This will force political parties
> > to take a more centrist position and prevent extreme fringe
> > ideologies from arising.
> >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Bhairitu]

Didn't look it up did ya?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad

On 12/04/2013 04:44 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
Santa Clara vs Southern Pacific , yeah sounds like a case involving 
our forfathers. LOL. So who heard the case, 9th Circus Court of 
appeals? Aren't they overturned by the Supreme Court on a regular basis?



On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 12:04 PM, Bhairitu 
 wrote:
Did you bother to look up Santa Clara vs Southern Pacific?  That would 
have given you an education.  It is as bad a decision as the recent 
Supremes giving corporations personhood.


I suppose if Republicans bride then it isn't so bad, eh?  They don't 
bother anymore.  They just fix the voting results.  We need to do away 
with voting machines or make them all open source.


You've been brainwashed by right wing revisionist history.  I'm not 
going to be your history teacher though.


On 12/04/2013 09:52 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
And the party that offers the voters the best *bribe*  for their vote 
wins.



On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:48 AM, Mike Dixon 
mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:
Be specific . What facts did I attribute to founding fathers that 
were incorrect?



On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:15 AM, Bhairitu 
mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Well your facts are wrong about the founding fathers.  Did you know 
that corporations were limited to a 40 year life span and then they 
had to be dissolved? They also had to prove to do public good. Santa 
Clara vs Southern Pacific changed that (another mucking up by the 
Supremes).


On 12/04/2013 06:05 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
No dude, I had a typical public education. I grew up very liberal 
and anti -capitalist until I got my first job,LOL! My eyes opened 
and M's teaching began to sink in. I remember Varmaji telling me 
"you are the creator of your own destiny" and I started developing a 
strong sense of personal reponsability, self reliance and 
independance. About this time I remember the Democrats along with 
Jimmy Carter telling me "they only wanted to help me" but I saw them 
waving a dollar in my face to buy my vote while stealing ten out of 
my back pocket. Then Ronald Reagan came along. THANK YOU JESUS!



On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 8:53 AM, Bhairitu 
mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

So you were home schooled by Birchers?

On 12/02/2013 05:00 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
Snoozguru, you must have been snoozing in your history class. The 
founding fathers were not put-off on capitalism. They loved it! 
Their economic system was capitalism based on 
Laissez-Faire(government hands off business). They wanted no 
government regulation of business other than to prevent fraud and 
theft,They didn't like the East India Co. because it was owned or 
controlled by King George.



On Monday, December 2, 2013 4:02 PM, Richard J. Williams 
mailto:pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

Apparently Redbox, like almost all ATMs, work using an old fashioned
dial-up connections - you can hear the dialing if you listen real 
close.

There's no way it could be a high-speed Wi-Fi connection on an ATM,
otherwise any two-bit hacker could tap into the cash box and get rich,
fast. Correct me if I'm wrong about this.

On 12/2/2013 4:40 PM, bhairitu wrote:
> Even returning a disc at Redbox was a bit slow.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Mike Dixon]

Santa Clara vs Southern Pacific , yeah sounds like a case involving our 
forfathers. LOL. So who heard the case, 9th Circus Court of appeals? Aren't 
they overturned by the Supreme Court on a regular basis?
  



On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 12:04 PM, Bhairitu  
wrote:
  
  
Did you bother to look up Santa Clara vs Southern Pacific?  That would have 
given you an education.  It is as bad a decision as the recent Supremes giving 
corporations personhood.

I suppose if Republicans bride then it isn't so bad, eh?  They
  don't bother anymore.  They just fix the voting results.  We need
  to do away with voting machines or make them all open source.

You've been brainwashed by right wing revisionist history.  I'm
  not going to be your history teacher though.

On 12/04/2013 09:52 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 
  
>And the party that offers the voters the best *bribe*  for their vote wins. 
>
>
>
>On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:48 AM, Mike Dixon 
>mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:
>  
>  
>Be specific . What facts did I attribute to founding fathers that were 
>incorrect? 
>
>
>
>On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:15 AM, Bhairitu mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
>wrote:
>  
>  
> 
>Well your facts are wrong about the founding fathers.  Did you know that 
>corporations were limited to a 40 year life span and then they had to be 
>dissolved?  They also had to prove to do public good.  Santa Clara vs Southern 
>Pacific changed that (another mucking up by the Supremes).
>
>On 12/04/2013
  06:05 AM, Mike
  Dixon wrote:
> 
>  
>>No dude, I had a typical public education. I grew up very liberal and anti 
>>-capitalist until I got my first job,LOL! My eyes opened and M's teaching  
>>began to sink in. I remember Varmaji telling me "you are the creator of your 
>>own destiny" and I started developing a strong sense of personal 
>>reponsability, self reliance and independance. About this time I remember the 
>>Democrats along with Jimmy Carter telling me "they only wanted to help me" 
>>but I saw them waving a dollar in my face to buy my vote while stealing ten 
>>out of my back pocket. Then Ronald Reagan came along. THANK YOU JESUS! 
>>
>>
>>
>>On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 8:53 AM, Bhairitu mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
>>wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>So you were home schooled by Birchers?
>>
>>On 12/02/2013
  05:00 PM, Mike
  Dixon wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>>Snoozguru, you must have been snoozing in your history class. The founding 
>>>fathers were not put-off on capitalism. They loved it! Their economic system 
>>>was capitalism based on Laissez-Faire(government hands off business).  They 
>>>wanted no government regulation of business other than to prevent fraud and 
>>>theft,They didn't like the East India Co. because it was owned or controlled 
>>>by King George. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Monday, December 2, 2013 4:02 PM, Richard J. Williams 
>>>mailto:pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>>Apparently Redbox, like almost all ATMs, work using an old fashioned 
>>>dial-up
  connections -
  you can hear
  the dialing if
  you listen
  real close. 
>>>There's no way
  it could be a
  high-speed
  Wi-Fi
  connection on
  an ATM, 
>>>otherwise any
  two-bit hacker
  could tap into
  the cash box
  and get rich, 
>>>fast. Correct
  me if I'm
  wrong about
  this.
>>>
>>>On 12/2/2013
  4:40 PM,
  bhairitu
  wrote:
 Even
  returning a
  disc at Redbox
  was a bit
  slow.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Share Long]

But noozguru if individuals don't support political parties, doesn't that make 
it more likely that they'll seek support from special interest groups? In any 
case, it should be volunteer support.





On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 2:31 PM, "s3raph...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
Re "At least, 3% of the total budget should be allocated to political parties 
as subsidies.":

WTF! I don't want one cent of my money to go to a political party. Let them pay 
for their own propaganda. 
Extremist parties wouldn't arise if mainstream parties actually pursued 
policies that were in the interests of the voters. How hard can it be?

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[s3raphita]

Re "At least, 3% of the total budget should be allocated to political parties 
as subsidies.":
 

 WTF! I don't want one cent of my money to go to a political party. Let them 
pay for their own propaganda. 
 Extremist parties wouldn't arise if mainstream parties actually pursued 
policies that were in the interests of the voters. How hard can it be?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Bhairitu]

Did you bother to look up Santa Clara vs Southern Pacific?  That would 
have given you an education.  It is as bad a decision as the recent 
Supremes giving corporations personhood.


I suppose if Republicans bride then it isn't so bad, eh?  They don't 
bother anymore.  They just fix the voting results.  We need to do away 
with voting machines or make them all open source.


You've been brainwashed by right wing revisionist history.  I'm not 
going to be your history teacher though.


On 12/04/2013 09:52 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
And the party that offers the voters the best *bribe*  for their vote 
wins.



On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:48 AM, Mike Dixon 
 wrote:
Be specific . What facts did I attribute to founding fathers that were 
incorrect?



On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:15 AM, Bhairitu 
 wrote:
Well your facts are wrong about the founding fathers. Did you know 
that corporations were limited to a 40 year life span and then they 
had to be dissolved? They also had to prove to do public good.  Santa 
Clara vs Southern Pacific changed that (another mucking up by the 
Supremes).


On 12/04/2013 06:05 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
No dude, I had a typical public education. I grew up very liberal and 
anti -capitalist until I got my first job,LOL! My eyes opened and M's 
teaching began to sink in. I remember Varmaji telling me "you are the 
creator of your own destiny" and I started developing a strong sense 
of personal reponsability, self reliance and independance. About this 
time I remember the Democrats along with Jimmy Carter telling me 
"they only wanted to help me" but I saw them waving a dollar in my 
face to buy my vote while stealing ten out of my back pocket. Then 
Ronald Reagan came along. THANK YOU JESUS!



On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 8:53 AM, Bhairitu 
mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

So you were home schooled by Birchers?

On 12/02/2013 05:00 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
Snoozguru, you must have been snoozing in your history class. The 
founding fathers were not put-off on capitalism. They loved it! 
Their economic system was capitalism based on 
Laissez-Faire(government hands off business). They wanted no 
government regulation of business other than to prevent fraud and 
theft,They didn't like the East India Co. because it was owned or 
controlled by King George.



On Monday, December 2, 2013 4:02 PM, Richard J. Williams 
mailto:pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

Apparently Redbox, like almost all ATMs, work using an old fashioned
dial-up connections - you can hear the dialing if you listen real 
close.

There's no way it could be a high-speed Wi-Fi connection on an ATM,
otherwise any two-bit hacker could tap into the cash box and get rich,
fast. Correct me if I'm wrong about this.

On 12/2/2013 4:40 PM, bhairitu wrote:
> Even returning a disc at Redbox was a bit slow.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Mike Dixon]

And the party that offers the voters the best *bribe*  for their vote wins.




On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:48 AM, Mike Dixon  
wrote:
  
  
Be specific . What facts did I attribute to founding fathers that were 
incorrect?



On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:15 AM, Bhairitu  wrote:
  
  
Well your facts are wrong about the founding fathers.  Did you know that 
corporations were limited to a 40 year life span and then they had to be 
dissolved?  They also had to prove to do public good.  Santa Clara vs Southern 
Pacific changed that (another mucking up by the Supremes).

On 12/04/2013 06:05 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 
  
>No dude, I had a typical public education. I grew up very liberal and anti 
>-capitalist until I got my first job,LOL! My eyes opened and M's teaching  
>began to sink in. I remember Varmaji telling me "you are the creator of your 
>own destiny" and I started developing a strong sense of personal 
>reponsability, self reliance and independance. About this time I remember the 
>Democrats along with Jimmy Carter telling me "they only wanted to help me" but 
>I saw them waving a dollar in my face to buy my vote while stealing ten out of 
>my back pocket. Then Ronald Reagan came along. THANK YOU JESUS! 
>
>
>
>On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 8:53 AM, Bhairitu mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
>wrote:
>  
>  
> 
>So you were home schooled by Birchers?
>
>On 12/02/2013 05:00 PM, Mike Dixon
  wrote:
> 
>  
>>Snoozguru, you must have been snoozing in your history class. The founding 
>>fathers were not put-off on capitalism. They loved it! Their economic system 
>>was capitalism based on Laissez-Faire(government hands off business).  They 
>>wanted no government regulation of business other than to prevent fraud and 
>>theft,They didn't like the East India Co. because it was owned or controlled 
>>by King George. 
>>
>>
>>
>>On Monday, December 2, 2013 4:02 PM, Richard J. Williams 
>>mailto:pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
>>  
>>  
>>Apparently Redbox, like almost all ATMs, work using an old fashioned 
>>dial-up
  connections -
  you can hear
  the dialing if
  you listen
  real close. 
>>There's no way
  it could be a
  high-speed
  Wi-Fi
  connection on
  an ATM, 
>>otherwise any
  two-bit hacker
  could tap into
  the cash box
  and get rich, 
>>fast. Correct
  me if I'm
  wrong about
  this.
>>
>>On 12/2/2013
  4:40 PM,
  bhairitu
  wrote:
>>> Even
  returning a
  disc at Redbox
  was a bit
  slow.
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>   
>
> 
  

  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Mike Dixon]

Be specific . What facts did I attribute to founding fathers that were 
incorrect?



On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:15 AM, Bhairitu  wrote:
  
  
Well your facts are wrong about the founding fathers.  Did you know that 
corporations were limited to a 40 year life span and then they had to be 
dissolved?  They also had to prove to do public good.  Santa Clara vs Southern 
Pacific changed that (another mucking up by the Supremes).

On 12/04/2013 06:05 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 
  
>No dude, I had a typical public education. I grew up very liberal and anti 
>-capitalist until I got my first job,LOL! My eyes opened and M's teaching  
>began to sink in. I remember Varmaji telling me "you are the creator of your 
>own destiny" and I started developing a strong sense of personal 
>reponsability, self reliance and independance. About this time I remember the 
>Democrats along with Jimmy Carter telling me "they only wanted to help me" but 
>I saw them waving a dollar in my face to buy my vote while stealing ten out of 
>my back pocket. Then Ronald Reagan came along. THANK YOU JESUS! 
>
>
>
>On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 8:53 AM, Bhairitu mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
>wrote:
>  
>  
> 
>So you were home schooled by Birchers?
>
>On 12/02/2013 05:00 PM, Mike Dixon
  wrote:
> 
>  
>>Snoozguru, you must have been snoozing in your history class. The founding 
>>fathers were not put-off on capitalism. They loved it! Their economic system 
>>was capitalism based on Laissez-Faire(government hands off business).  They 
>>wanted no government regulation of business other than to prevent fraud and 
>>theft,They didn't like the East India Co. because it was owned or controlled 
>>by King George. 
>>
>>
>>
>>On Monday, December 2, 2013 4:02 PM, Richard J. Williams 
>>mailto:pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
>>  
>>  
>>Apparently Redbox, like almost all ATMs, work using an old fashioned 
>>dial-up
  connections -
  you can hear
  the dialing if
  you listen
  real close. 
>>There's no way
  it could be a
  high-speed
  Wi-Fi
  connection on
  an ATM, 
>>otherwise any
  two-bit hacker
  could tap into
  the cash box
  and get rich, 
>>fast. Correct
  me if I'm
  wrong about
  this.
>>
>>On 12/2/2013
  4:40 PM,
  bhairitu
  wrote:
>>> Even
  returning a
  disc at Redbox
  was a bit
  slow.
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>   
>
> 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Jason]

---   wrote:
>
> Re "Capitalist governments shouldn't be bailing anybody out . . . If
the government takes the risk out of the equation by offering a bailout,
any fool could run a business and risk everyone's investments in it with
no lessons learned.:"
>
>
>
>  Precisely my point. You can argue that we should move towards a more
Ayn Rand set-up and get governments off our backs. It's states offering
bailouts that has encouraged the banks to take idiotic risks.
>
>
>  You could argue the opposite though - financial institutions should
come under more strenuous oversight from financial regulators with the
state limiting bonuses and having a veto on risky investments.
>
>
>  It's the current mixed-economy model that isn't fit for purpose.
"Bankers socialism" pisses off everyone.
>

The 'capitalistic political system' is the greatest dogma of
the 20th century.

The 'socialistic economic system' is the second greatest
dogma of the 20th century.

A 'capitalistic political system' is tantamount to
'corporate dictatorship'.

Atleast, 3% percent of the total budget money should be
allocated to political parties as political subsidies.
These political subsidies should be distributed to parties
on vote proportion basis.  This will force political parties
to take a more centrist position and prevent extreme fringe
ideologies from arising.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Bhairitu]

Well your facts are wrong about the founding fathers.  Did you know that 
corporations were limited to a 40 year life span and then they had to be 
dissolved?  They also had to prove to do public good.  Santa Clara vs 
Southern Pacific changed that (another mucking up by the Supremes).


On 12/04/2013 06:05 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
No dude, I had a typical public education. I grew up very liberal and 
anti -capitalist until I got my first job,LOL! My eyes opened and M's 
teaching began to sink in. I remember Varmaji telling me "you are the 
creator of your own destiny" and I started developing a strong sense 
of personal reponsability, self reliance and independance. About this 
time I remember the Democrats along with Jimmy Carter telling me "they 
only wanted to help me" but I saw them waving a dollar in my face to 
buy my vote while stealing ten out of my back pocket. Then Ronald 
Reagan came along. THANK YOU JESUS!



On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 8:53 AM, Bhairitu 
 wrote:

So you were home schooled by Birchers?

On 12/02/2013 05:00 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
Snoozguru, you must have been snoozing in your history class. The 
founding fathers were not put-off on capitalism. They loved it! Their 
economic system was capitalism based on Laissez-Faire(government 
hands off business).  They wanted no government regulation of 
business other than to prevent fraud and theft,They didn't like the 
East India Co. because it was owned or controlled by King George.



On Monday, December 2, 2013 4:02 PM, Richard J. Williams 
mailto:pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

Apparently Redbox, like almost all ATMs, work using an old fashioned
dial-up connections - you can hear the dialing if you listen real close.
There's no way it could be a high-speed Wi-Fi connection on an ATM,
otherwise any two-bit hacker could tap into the cash box and get rich,
fast. Correct me if I'm wrong about this.

On 12/2/2013 4:40 PM, bhairitu wrote:
> Even returning a disc at Redbox was a bit slow.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Mike Dixon]

No dude, I had a typical public education. I grew up very liberal and anti 
-capitalist until I got my first job,LOL! My eyes opened and M's teaching  
began to sink in. I remember Varmaji telling me "you are the creator of your 
own destiny" and I started developing a strong sense of personal reponsability, 
self reliance and independance. About this time I remember the Democrats along 
with Jimmy Carter telling me "they only wanted to help me" but I saw them 
waving a dollar in my face to buy my vote while stealing ten out of my back 
pocket. Then Ronald Reagan came along. THANK YOU JESUS!




On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 8:53 AM, Bhairitu  wrote:
  
  
So you were home schooled by Birchers?

On 12/02/2013 05:00 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 
  
>Snoozguru, you must have been snoozing in your history class. The founding 
>fathers were not put-off on capitalism. They loved it! Their economic system 
>was capitalism based on Laissez-Faire(government hands off business).  They 
>wanted no government regulation of business other than to prevent fraud and 
>theft,They didn't like the East India Co. because it was owned or controlled 
>by King George. 
>
>
>
>On Monday, December 2, 2013 4:02 PM, Richard J. Williams 
>mailto:pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
>  
>  
>Apparently Redbox, like almost all ATMs, work using an old fashioned 
>dial-up connections - you can hear the
  dialing if you listen real close. 
>There's no way it could be a
  high-speed Wi-Fi connection on an ATM, 
>otherwise any two-bit hacker could tap
  into the cash box and get rich, 
>fast. Correct me if I'm wrong about
  this.
>
>On 12/2/2013 4:40 PM, bhairitu wrote:
>> Even returning a disc at Redbox
  was a bit slow.
>
> 
>
>
 
 

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[s3raphita]

Re "Capitalist governments shouldn't be bailing anybody out . . . If the 
government takes the risk out of the equation by offering a bailout, any fool 
could run a business and risk everyone's investments in it with no lessons 
learned.:"

 

 Precisely my point. You can argue that we should move towards a more Ayn Rand 
set-up and get governments off our backs. It's states offering bailouts that 
has encouraged the banks to take idiotic risks.
 

 You could argue the opposite though - financial institutions should come under 
more strenuous oversight from financial regulators with the state limiting 
bonuses and having a veto on risky investments.
 

 It's the current mixed-economy model that isn't fit for purpose. "Bankers 
socialism" pisses off everyone.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Bhairitu]

So you were home schooled by Birchers?

On 12/02/2013 05:00 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
Snoozguru, you must have been snoozing in your history class. The 
founding fathers were not put-off on capitalism. They loved it! Their 
economic system was capitalism based on Laissez-Faire(government hands 
off business).  They wanted no government regulation of business other 
than to prevent fraud and theft,They didn't like the East India Co. 
because it was owned or controlled by King George.



On Monday, December 2, 2013 4:02 PM, Richard J. Williams 
 wrote:

Apparently Redbox, like almost all ATMs, work using an old fashioned
dial-up connections - you can hear the dialing if you listen real close.
There's no way it could be a high-speed Wi-Fi connection on an ATM,
otherwise any two-bit hacker could tap into the cash box and get rich,
fast. Correct me if I'm wrong about this.

On 12/2/2013 4:40 PM, bhairitu wrote:
> Even returning a disc at Redbox was a bit slow.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[s3raphita]

Re "Socialist programs such as bailing out the big banks":
 

 Bailing out failing businesses isn't capitalism red in tooth and claw!
 

 It was the Labour government in the UK that bailed out the banks over here.
 

 Here's the thing: when facing bankruptcy, the head of Lehmann's in the US went 
to the state to ask for a bailout and was thunderstruck when his request was 
denied. But in cut-throat capitalism you don't bail out failing businesses. Why 
did he expect to be bailed out?  Because what we have now in the West is crony 
capitalism and corporatism where the politicians and finance leaders have 
cozied up to each other. 
 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Socialist programs such as bailing out the big banks or wars of empire to 
protect "American (corporate) interests?" Wanna buy a bridge, Mike?
 
 I don't know if the fascist Margaret Thatcher said that but the rich found it 
to be true especially after they had robbed most of the middle class of their 
money.
 
 I'll agree that Congress is drunk on spending just to get re-elected. Career 
politicians are obsolete and need to be deprecated.
 
 BTW, the Internet seems to be wanky today due to "Cyber Monday". Even 
returning a disc at Redbox was a bit slow. One of my email accounts doesn't 
seem to be getting the message to put the read messages in trash while the 
email account I use for here is late in delivery and putting the FFL emails in 
the trash bin even though they hadn't been downloaded!
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
Mike Dixon  wrote:
 >
 > That 17 trillion national debt comes mainly from socialistic programs, not 
 > capitalism. Was it Margaret Thatcher that said "The problem with socialism 
 > is, sooner or later, you run out of other peoples money to spend". American 
 > politicians have over- spent the wealth capitalism has produced in order to 
 > get re-elected.
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > On Sunday, December 1, 2013 7:33 PM, "s3raphita@..."  wrote:
 > 
 > Â  
 > Re"American capitalism has created more wealth than any other economic 
 > system and with that wealth has lifted more people out of poverty than any 
 > other system.":
 > 
 > That is undeniably true. The problem is that you (Yanks) now have debt equal 
 > to $17 trillion. There is no way you can pay that debt off; there is no way 
 > you can deliberately introduce controlled inflation to devalue the sum. You 
 > are at the mercy of the international financial system. 
 > 
 > Income inequality in both the US and UK is now at levels not seen since the 
 > early decades of the 20th century. The real villain is globalisation. 
 > Companies can run rings around national governments as they have branches in 
 > many countries and can avoid tax in all places except the one country that 
 > offers them the lowest rates. It's a nightmare and these multinationals are 
 > effectively outside any democratic control. Â  
 > 
 > 
 > ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
 >  wrote:
 > 
 > 
 > That is "revisionist history", Mike.  The original founding fathers had a 
 > bad taste in their mouth from capitalism in the form of the British East 
 > India Company.  The founding fathers believed in a "commons."  You 
 > maintain the commons with government.  That's what government is for. It's 
 > for the things we all share.  And if we don't want homeless living in our 
 > commons then were need to do things to keep people from becoming homeless.  
 > A lot of today's homeless are not there because they don't want to work but 
 > because there is no work or means of income for them.
 > 
 > I have a revision of that Luke 19 thang you referenced.  The third
 > guy didn't spend the money his boss gave him because  the other
 > two guys invested in derivatives and were about to lose all that
 > profit.  He would still have money. :-D 
 > 
 > 
 > On 12/01/2013 05:53 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 > > 
 > Â  
 > >Yet *trickle down*Â  capitalism has been the story of America since it's 
 > >inception. American capitalism has created more wealth than any other 
 > >economic system and with that wealth has lifted more people out of poverty 
 > >than any other system and come to the aid of those in dire straights to 
 > >lift them up as well. Would the middle -east, China or India be in the 
 > >economic situation they are in today had it not been for Americans spending 
 > >their wealth, investing in and buying their goods and services ?  
 > >Capitalism creates wealth, socialism just divides it up.  You can't be 
 > >charitable if you have nothing to give. The Pope may be compassionate, but 
 > >he's down right ignorant. 
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Mike Dixon]

Snoozguru, you must have been snoozing in your history class. The founding 
fathers were not put-off on capitalism. They loved it! Their economic system 
was capitalism based on Laissez-Faire(government hands off business).  They 
wanted no government regulation of business other than to prevent fraud and 
theft,They didn't like the East India Co. because it was owned or controlled by 
King George.




On Monday, December 2, 2013 4:02 PM, Richard J. Williams  
wrote:
  
  
Apparently Redbox, like almost all ATMs, work using an old fashioned 
dial-up connections - you can hear the dialing if you listen real close. 
There's no way it could be a high-speed Wi-Fi connection on an ATM, 
otherwise any two-bit hacker could tap into the cash box and get rich, 
fast. Correct me if I'm wrong about this.

On 12/2/2013 4:40 PM, bhairitu wrote:
> Even returning a disc at Redbox was a bit slow.

  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Richard J. Williams]

Apparently Redbox, like almost all ATMs, work using an old fashioned 
dial-up connections - you can hear the dialing if you listen real close. 
There's no way it could be a high-speed Wi-Fi connection on an ATM, 
otherwise any two-bit hacker could tap into the cash box and get rich, 
fast. Correct me if I'm wrong about this.

On 12/2/2013 4:40 PM, bhairitu wrote:
> Even returning a disc at Redbox was a bit slow.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[bhairitu]

Socialist programs such as bailing out the big banks or wars of empire to 
protect "American (corporate) interests?"  Wanna buy a bridge, Mike?

I don't know if the fascist Margaret Thatcher said that but the rich found it 
to be true especially after they had robbed most of the middle class of their 
money.

I'll agree that Congress is drunk on spending just to get re-elected. Career 
politicians are obsolete and need to be deprecated.

BTW, the Internet seems to be wanky today due to "Cyber Monday".  Even 
returning a disc at Redbox was a bit slow.  One of my email accounts doesn't 
seem to be getting the message to put the read messages in trash while the 
email account I use for here is late in delivery and putting the FFL emails in 
the trash bin even though they hadn't been downloaded!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> That 17 trillion national debt comes mainly from socialistic programs, not 
> capitalism. Was it Margaret Thatcher that said "The problem with socialism 
> is, sooner or later, you run out of other peoples money to spend". American 
> politicians have over- spent the wealth capitalism has produced in order to 
> get re-elected.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, December 1, 2013 7:33 PM, "s3raphita@..."  wrote:
>   
>   
> Re"American capitalism has created more wealth than any other economic 
> system and with that wealth has lifted more people out of poverty than any 
> other system.":
> 
> That is undeniably true. The problem is that you (Yanks) now have debt equal 
> to $17 trillion. There is no way you can pay that debt off; there is no way 
> you can deliberately introduce controlled inflation to devalue the sum. You 
> are at the mercy of the international financial system. 
> 
> Income inequality in both the US and UK is now at levels not seen since the 
> early decades of the 20th century. The real villain is globalisation. 
> Companies can run rings around national governments as they have branches in 
> many countries and can avoid tax in all places except the one country that 
> offers them the lowest rates. It's a nightmare and these multinationals are 
> effectively outside any democratic control.   
> 
> 
> ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
> 
> 
> That is "revisionist history", Mike.  The original founding fathers had a 
> bad taste in their mouth from capitalism in the form of the British East 
> India Company.  The founding fathers believed in a "commons."  You maintain 
> the commons with government.  That's what government is for. It's for the 
> things we all share.  And if we don't want homeless living in our commons 
> then were need to do things to keep people from becoming homeless.  A lot of 
> today's homeless are not there because they don't want to work but because 
> there is no work or means of income for them.
> 
> I have a revision of that Luke 19 thang you referenced.  The third
>   guy didn't spend the money his boss gave him because  the other
>   two guys invested in derivatives and were about to lose all that
>   profit.  He would still have money. :-D 
> 
> 
> On 12/01/2013 05:53 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> > 
>   
> >Yet *trickle down*  capitalism has been the story of America since it's 
> >inception. American capitalism has created more wealth than any other 
> >economic system and with that wealth has lifted more people out of poverty 
> >than any other system and come to the aid of those in dire straights to lift 
> >them up as well. Would the middle -east, China or India be in the economic 
> >situation they are in today had it not been for Americans spending their 
> >wealth, investing in and buying their goods and services ?  Capitalism 
> >creates wealth, socialism just divides it up.  You can't be charitable if 
> >you have nothing to give. The Pope may be compassionate, but he's down right 
> >ignorant. 
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[s3raphita]

Re "That 17 trillion national debt comes mainly from socialistic programs, not 
capitalism. American politicians have over-spent the wealth capitalism has 
produced in order to get re-elected.":
 

 That's all true. (It's the same in UK.) But what's also true is that the 
old-school opponents who wanted either socialism or conservatism never 
anticipated today's world where multinational corporations rule the roost. In 
the past both those on the left and those on the right assumed governments held 
the whip hand.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 That 17 trillion national debt comes mainly from socialistic programs, not 
capitalism. Was it Margaret Thatcher that said "The problem with socialism is, 
sooner or later, you run out of other peoples money to spend". American 
politicians have over- spent the wealth capitalism has produced in order to get 
re-elected.
 
 
 On Sunday, December 1, 2013 7:33 PM, "s3raphita@..."  wrote:
 
   Re "American capitalism has created more wealth than any other economic 
system and with that wealth has lifted more people out of poverty than any 
other system.":
 

 That is undeniably true. The problem is that you (Yanks) now have debt equal 
to $17 trillion. There is no way you can pay that debt off; there is no way you 
can deliberately introduce controlled inflation to devalue the sum. You are at 
the mercy of the international financial system. 
 

 Income inequality in both the US and UK is now at levels not seen since the 
early decades of the 20th century. The real villain is globalisation. Companies 
can run rings around national governments as they have branches in many 
countries and can avoid tax in all places except the one country that offers 
them the lowest rates. It's a nightmare and these multinationals are 
effectively outside any democratic control.  
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 That is "revisionist history", Mike.  The original founding fathers had a bad 
taste in their mouth from capitalism in the form of the British East India 
Company.  The founding fathers believed in a "commons."  You maintain the 
commons with government.  That's what government is for. It's for the things we 
all share.  And if we don't want homeless living in our commons then were need 
to do things to keep people from becoming homeless.  A lot of today's homeless 
are not there because they don't want to work but because there is no work or 
means of income for them.
 
 I have a revision of that Luke 19 thang you referenced.  The third guy didn't 
spend the money his boss gave him because  the other two guys invested in 
derivatives and were about to lose all that profit.  He would still have money. 
:-D 
 
 On 12/01/2013 05:53 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 
   Yet *trickle down*  capitalism has been the story of America since it's 
inception. American capitalism has created more wealth than any other economic 
system and with that wealth has lifted more people out of poverty than any 
other system and come to the aid of those in dire straights to lift them up as 
well. Would the middle -east, China or India be in the economic situation they 
are in today had it not been for Americans spending their wealth, investing in 
and buying their goods and services ?  Capitalism creates wealth, socialism 
just divides it up.  You can't be charitable if you have nothing to give. The 
Pope may be compassionate, but he's down right ignorant.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 

 
 




 
 
 
 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Mike Dixon]

That 17 trillion national debt comes mainly from socialistic programs, not 
capitalism. Was it Margaret Thatcher that said "The problem with socialism is, 
sooner or later, you run out of other peoples money to spend". American 
politicians have over- spent the wealth capitalism has produced in order to get 
re-elected.




On Sunday, December 1, 2013 7:33 PM, "s3raph...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
  
  
Re"American capitalism has created more wealth than any other economic system 
and with that wealth has lifted more people out of poverty than any other 
system.":

That is undeniably true. The problem is that you (Yanks) now have debt equal to 
$17 trillion. There is no way you can pay that debt off; there is no way you 
can deliberately introduce controlled inflation to devalue the sum. You are at 
the mercy of the international financial system. 

Income inequality in both the US and UK is now at levels not seen since the 
early decades of the 20th century. The real villain is globalisation. Companies 
can run rings around national governments as they have branches in many 
countries and can avoid tax in all places except the one country that offers 
them the lowest rates. It's a nightmare and these multinationals are 
effectively outside any democratic control.   


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


That is "revisionist history", Mike.  The original founding fathers had a bad 
taste in their mouth from capitalism in the form of the British East India 
Company.  The founding fathers believed in a "commons."  You maintain the 
commons with government.  That's what government is for. It's for the things we 
all share.  And if we don't want homeless living in our commons then were need 
to do things to keep people from becoming homeless.  A lot of today's homeless 
are not there because they don't want to work but because there is no work or 
means of income for them.

I have a revision of that Luke 19 thang you referenced.  The third
  guy didn't spend the money his boss gave him because  the other
  two guys invested in derivatives and were about to lose all that
  profit.  He would still have money. :-D 


On 12/01/2013 05:53 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> 
  
>Yet *trickle down*  capitalism has been the story of America since it's 
>inception. American capitalism has created more wealth than any other economic 
>system and with that wealth has lifted more people out of poverty than any 
>other system and come to the aid of those in dire straights to lift them up as 
>well. Would the middle -east, China or India be in the economic situation they 
>are in today had it not been for Americans spending their wealth, investing in 
>and buying their goods and services ?  Capitalism creates wealth, socialism 
>just divides it up.  You can't be charitable if you have nothing to give. The 
>Pope may be compassionate, but he's down right ignorant. 
>
>
>
   
 

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[s3raphita]

Re "American capitalism has created more wealth than any other economic system 
and with that wealth has lifted more people out of poverty than any other 
system.":
 

 That is undeniably true. The problem is that you (Yanks) now have debt equal 
to $17 trillion. There is no way you can pay that debt off; there is no way you 
can deliberately introduce controlled inflation to devalue the sum. You are at 
the mercy of the international financial system. 
 

 Income inequality in both the US and UK is now at levels not seen since the 
early decades of the 20th century. The real villain is globalisation. Companies 
can run rings around national governments as they have branches in many 
countries and can avoid tax in all places except the one country that offers 
them the lowest rates. It's a nightmare and these multinationals are 
effectively outside any democratic control.  
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 That is "revisionist history", Mike.  The original founding fathers had a bad 
taste in their mouth from capitalism in the form of the British East India 
Company.  The founding fathers believed in a "commons."  You maintain the 
commons with government.  That's what government is for. It's for the things we 
all share.  And if we don't want homeless living in our commons then were need 
to do things to keep people from becoming homeless.  A lot of today's homeless 
are not there because they don't want to work but because there is no work or 
means of income for them.
 
 I have a revision of that Luke 19 thang you referenced.  The third guy didn't 
spend the money his boss gave him because  the other two guys invested in 
derivatives and were about to lose all that profit.  He would still have money. 
:-D 
 
 On 12/01/2013 05:53 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 
   Yet *trickle down*  capitalism has been the story of America since it's 
inception. American capitalism has created more wealth than any other economic 
system and with that wealth has lifted more people out of poverty than any 
other system and come to the aid of those in dire straights to lift them up as 
well. Would the middle -east, China or India be in the economic situation they 
are in today had it not been for Americans spending their wealth, investing in 
and buying their goods and services ?  Capitalism creates wealth, socialism 
just divides it up.  You can't be charitable if you have nothing to give. The 
Pope may be compassionate, but he's down right ignorant.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> If you read the document that Pope Francis wrote, there is none of the
exclusionary language that you refer to, in it. He specifically warns
against that, and many other ways to become falsely pious. He refers to
capitalism, the monetization of anything and everything, as
dehumanizing. I agree -
>
>  As a great example of the failure of "pissing down economics", as I
call it, there is an unbelievable amount of wealth where I live, in the
SF Bay Area - real estate prices are completely crazy, as one result. If
the theory of largesse worked, I would not encounter people begging at
every freeway off-ramp - there wouldn't be the same guy at the
supermarket asking me for money for the past five years, and there sure
wouldn't be the ARMY of homeless people in San Francisco, where a 700
square foot apartment rents for $4000/mo.


"Yellow rain golden shower pesticide firepower
Summon feudal demons of sweatshop subjugation"
- Bruce Cockburn, Trickle Down, March 2001

Couldn't find a video, but the audio played for me here:
http://val.fm/trickle-down-bruce-cockburn-mp3/


Lyrics here:

Picture on magazine boardroom pop star
Pinstripe prophet of peckerhead greed
You say 'Trust me with the money -- the keys to the universe'
Trickle down will give us everything we need

Brand new century private penitentiary
bank vault utopia padded for the few
And it's tumours for the masses coughing for the masses
Earphones for the masses and they all serve you
Trickle down give /em the business
Trickle down supposed to give us the goods
Cups held out to catch a bit of the bounty
Trickle down everywhere trickle down blood
What used to pass for education now looks more like ignoration
Take the people's money and slip it to the corporation
Yellow rain golden shower pesticide firepower
Summon feudal demons of sweatshop subjugation

Workfare foul air homeless beggars everywhere
Picturephone aristocrats lounge around the pool
Captains of industry smiling beneficently
Leaking hole supertanker ship of fools
Trickle down give me the business
Trickle down supposed to give us the goods
Cups held out to catch a bit of the bounty
Trickle down everywhere trickle down blood
Take over takedown big bucks shakedown
Schoolyard pusher offer anything-for-profit
First got to privatize then you get to piratize
Hooked on avarice - how do we get off it?
Trickle down give me the business
Trickle down supposed to give us the goods
Cups held out to catch a bit of the bounty
Trickle down everywhere trickle down blood
Trickle down give me the business
Trickle down supposed to give us the goods
Cups held out to catch a bit of the bounty
Trickle down everywhere trickle down blood
Trickle down

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[doctordumbass]

If you read the document that Pope Francis wrote, there is none of the 
exclusionary language that you refer to, in it. He specifically warns against 
that, and many other ways to become falsely pious. He refers to capitalism, the 
monetization of anything and everything, as dehumanizing. I agree - 

 

 As a great example of the failure of "pissing down economics", as I call it, 
there is an unbelievable amount of wealth where I live, in the SF Bay Area - 
real estate prices are completely crazy, as one result. If the theory of 
largesse worked, I would not encounter people begging at every freeway off-ramp 
- there wouldn't be the same guy at the supermarket asking me for money for the 
past five years, and there sure wouldn't be the ARMY of homeless people in San 
Francisco, where a 700 square foot apartment rents for $4000/mo.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Who could imagine ... Bhari2 and EmilyMaybeNot should now be satisfied.

Trouble is Bhari2 is a Tantrika. So the "Holy Father" and the "Congregation for 
the Doctrine of the Faith" will require him to repent his Hindoo errors. Repent 
now and profess the truth! ... "You didn't make that!". 

Convert now to the true faith. Admit that you are not God but are the 
God-damned.  

 
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/
 
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[s3raphita]

Re "Well, I'm thinking of the U.S., where capitalism is simply out of control.":
 

 ditto the UK. 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Well, I'm thinking of the U.S., where capitalism is simply out of control. But 
I'm not sure what Singapore et al. have to do with the lack of evidence for 
trickle-down economics. And in any case the pope is talking about the current 
effects of current systems, not condemning as sympathizers of the antichrist 
those who have bright ideas for a more functional version of capitalism. As 
long as he sticks with Krugman, he's doing fine, as far as I'm concerned.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Re "The Pope doesn't need a Ph.D. in economics to make use of that 
information.":
 

 Unfortunately he does!
 

 Look, this from Wiki: Singapore has a market-based economy - one of the freest 
and most business-friendly. According to the Corruption Perceptions Index, 
Singapore is consistently ranked as one of the least-corrupt countries in the 
world, along with New Zealand and the Scandinavian countries. Singapore has the 
lowest infant mortality rate in the world for the past two decades. Life 
expectancy in Singapore is 80 for males and 85 for females, placing the country 
4th in the world for life expectancy. Almost the whole population has access to 
improved water and sanitation facilities. There are fewer than 10 annual deaths 
from HIV per 100,000 people. Adult obesity is below 10%.
 

 Surely to God it's at least *possible* that a let-it-rip capitalist model 
could bring greater benefits to the populace than a top-down state-controlled 
economy? If it's possible then it's not unreasonable for people to push for a 
such a system without them necessarily being greedy rich pigs. And so without 
them necessarily being on the side of the Antichrist. 
 

 Keep religion free from dogmatic economic positions seems a sensible approach 
to me.
 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Well, but the principles don't change. A poor person is  a poor person is a 
poor person no matter what century they live in or under what kind of economic 
system. Nobody's suggesting Jesus was preaching socialism qua socialism or 
against capitalism qua capitalism. That's a red herring. He was preaching in 
favor of generosity and against selfish greed.
 

 The point is to relieve poverty no matter what the cause. These days, the 
cause tends to be the greed of the masters of the capitalist system.
 

 Sounds like the pope has been reading (Nobel Prize-winning economist) Paul 
Krugman in the NYTimes. He makes the same point about there being no evidence 
for trickle-down economics. If it worked, there should be; it's been tried long 
enough. The pope doesn't need a Ph.D. in economics to make use of that 
information.
 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Re "And I could cite a busload of Jesus' expressions of concern for the poor 
and oppressed. Plus one in particular about how hard it is for the rich person 
to get into Heaven.":
 

 I'm with him on the rich! Some things never change.
  
 But Jesus was a first-century rabbi so could have no idea of the later 
development of industrialisation, capitalism, welfare states and globalisation. 
It is as ridiculous to wonder what a first-century person would decide pro or 
anti socialism as it is to wonder what a  first-century person would decide on 
which car to buy, or if a first-century person would prefer Copernican or 
pre-Copernican astronomy.
 

 For Christ's sake - he didn't even know he was living in the first century! ;-)

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Sounds to me as if he's an expert in human nature.
 

 And I could cite a busload of Jesus' expressions of concern for the poor and 
oppressed. Plus one in particular about how hard it is for the rich person to 
get into Heaven.
 

 I don't think you've got a winner of an argument here, Seraphita.
 

Seraphita wrote:

 The Pope said “some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which 
assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably 
succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This 
opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and 
naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power.
 

 So is the Pope now an expert on economics (the dismal science)? "Trickle-down" 
theories could be wrong - but they could be right. It is surely possible to be 
a pious Christian and either support or oppose socialism. When popes claim that 
one or the other side is right they get dangerously close to claiming that 
supporters of the side they oppose are not true Christians - and so not saved.
 

 Jesus would be turning in His grave - if He hadn't risen.
 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Email HIM. Offer to evangelize the Tantrika-s. Maybe he'll offer to make you a 
socialist proselyte and then, if you are successful, a

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[s3raphita]

Re "The Pope doesn't need a Ph.D. in economics to make use of that 
information.":
 

 Unfortunately he does!
 

 Look, this from Wiki: Singapore has a market-based economy - one of the freest 
and most business-friendly. According to the Corruption Perceptions Index, 
Singapore is consistently ranked as one of the least-corrupt countries in the 
world, along with New Zealand and the Scandinavian countries. Singapore has the 
lowest infant mortality rate in the world for the past two decades. Life 
expectancy in Singapore is 80 for males and 85 for females, placing the country 
4th in the world for life expectancy. Almost the whole population has access to 
improved water and sanitation facilities. There are fewer than 10 annual deaths 
from HIV per 100,000 people. Adult obesity is below 10%.
 

 Surely to God it's at least *possible* that a let-it-rip capitalist model 
could bring greater benefits to the populace than a top-down state-controlled 
economy? If it's possible then it's not unreasonable for people to push for a 
such a system without them necessarily being greedy rich pigs. And so without 
them necessarily being on the side of the Antichrist. 
 

 Keep religion free from dogmatic economic positions seems a sensible approach 
to me.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Well, but the principles don't change. A poor person is  a poor person is a 
poor person no matter what century they live in or under what kind of economic 
system. Nobody's suggesting Jesus was preaching socialism qua socialism or 
against capitalism qua capitalism. That's a red herring. He was preaching in 
favor of generosity and against selfish greed.
 

 The point is to relieve poverty no matter what the cause. These days, the 
cause tends to be the greed of the masters of the capitalist system.
 

 Sounds like the pope has been reading (Nobel Prize-winning economist) Paul 
Krugman in the NYTimes. He makes the same point about there being no evidence 
for trickle-down economics. If it worked, there should be; it's been tried long 
enough. The pope doesn't need a Ph.D. in economics to make use of that 
information.
 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Re "And I could cite a busload of Jesus' expressions of concern for the poor 
and oppressed. Plus one in particular about how hard it is for the rich person 
to get into Heaven.":
 

 I'm with him on the rich! Some things never change.
  
 But Jesus was a first-century rabbi so could have no idea of the later 
development of industrialisation, capitalism, welfare states and globalisation. 
It is as ridiculous to wonder what a first-century person would decide pro or 
anti socialism as it is to wonder what a  first-century person would decide on 
which car to buy, or if a first-century person would prefer Copernican or 
pre-Copernican astronomy.
 

 For Christ's sake - he didn't even know he was living in the first century! ;-)

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Sounds to me as if he's an expert in human nature.
 

 And I could cite a busload of Jesus' expressions of concern for the poor and 
oppressed. Plus one in particular about how hard it is for the rich person to 
get into Heaven.
 

 I don't think you've got a winner of an argument here, Seraphita.
 

Seraphita wrote:

 The Pope said “some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which 
assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably 
succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This 
opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and 
naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power.
 

 So is the Pope now an expert on economics (the dismal science)? "Trickle-down" 
theories could be wrong - but they could be right. It is surely possible to be 
a pious Christian and either support or oppose socialism. When popes claim that 
one or the other side is right they get dangerously close to claiming that 
supporters of the side they oppose are not true Christians - and so not saved.
 

 Jesus would be turning in His grave - if He hadn't risen.
 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Email HIM. Offer to evangelize the Tantrika-s. Maybe he'll offer to make you a 
socialist proselyte and then, if you are successful, a bishop. 

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 BTW, those folks over on Infowars have a tendency to contradict themselves.  
They were talking about the riots at stores Thanksgiving Evening and saying 
that "individualism" would prevent that.  WRONG.  In fact much of the dialectic 
on Infowars is for the "we" people.  They like to point to the BBC documentary 
"Century of the Self" which is about how the "me" society was created and how 
destructive it has been.  And you can't have much of a revolution with a bunch 
of "me" people.
 
 They also thought that if the crowd would be this bad over cheap goods how 
much worse would they be fighting o

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[emilymaenot]

No...I'm not Catholic. But I don't reject all things Catholic either. I think 
"trickle-down economics" is a con best summed up by "if you believe that, I've 
got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you."  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Who could imagine ... Bhari2 and EmilyMaybeNot should now be satisfied.

Trouble is Bhari2 is a Tantrika. So the "Holy Father" and the "Congregation for 
the Doctrine of the Faith" will require him to repent his Hindoo errors. Repent 
now and profess the truth! ... "You didn't make that!". 

Convert now to the true faith. Admit that you are not God but are the 
God-damned.  

 
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/
 
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[s3raphita]

Re "And I could cite a busload of Jesus' expressions of concern for the poor 
and oppressed. Plus one in particular about how hard it is for the rich person 
to get into Heaven.":
 

 I'm with him on the rich! Some things never change.
  
 But Jesus was a first-century rabbi so could have no idea of the later 
development of industrialisation, capitalism, welfare states and globalisation. 
It is as ridiculous to wonder what a first-century person would decide pro or 
anti socialism as it is to wonder what a  first-century person would decide on 
which car to buy, or if a first-century person would prefer Copernican or 
pre-Copernican astronomy.
 

 For Christ's sake - he didn't even know he was living in the first century! ;-)

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Sounds to me as if he's an expert in human nature.
 

 And I could cite a busload of Jesus' expressions of concern for the poor and 
oppressed. Plus one in particular about how hard it is for the rich person to 
get into Heaven.
 

 I don't think you've got a winner of an argument here, Seraphita.
 

Seraphita wrote:

 The Pope said “some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which 
assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably 
succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This 
opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and 
naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power.
 

 So is the Pope now an expert on economics (the dismal science)? "Trickle-down" 
theories could be wrong - but they could be right. It is surely possible to be 
a pious Christian and either support or oppose socialism. When popes claim that 
one or the other side is right they get dangerously close to claiming that 
supporters of the side they oppose are not true Christians - and so not saved.
 

 Jesus would be turning in His grave - if He hadn't risen.
 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Email HIM. Offer to evangelize the Tantrika-s. Maybe he'll offer to make you a 
socialist proselyte and then, if you are successful, a bishop. 

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 BTW, those folks over on Infowars have a tendency to contradict themselves.  
They were talking about the riots at stores Thanksgiving Evening and saying 
that "individualism" would prevent that.  WRONG.  In fact much of the dialectic 
on Infowars is for the "we" people.  They like to point to the BBC documentary 
"Century of the Self" which is about how the "me" society was created and how 
destructive it has been.  And you can't have much of a revolution with a bunch 
of "me" people.
 
 They also thought that if the crowd would be this bad over cheap goods how 
much worse would they be fighting over food?  Hurricane Sandy rather disproved 
that.
 
 That crowd is often a group out of sync with themselves. 
 
 
 On 11/30/2013 02:50 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote:
 
   Who could imagine ... Bhari2 and EmilyMaybeNot should now be satisfied.
 
 Trouble is Bhari2 is a Tantrika. So the "Holy Father" and the "Congregation 
for the Doctrine of the Faith" will require him to repent his Hindoo errors. 
Repent now and profess the truth! ... "You didn't make that!". 
 
 Convert now to the true faith. Admit that you are not God but are the 
God-damned.  
 
 
 
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/
 
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/
 
 
 
 

 



 

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[s3raphita]

We've all seen the wonders of "trickle down economics."  It's why the rich call 
us "peons."
 

 Yes, I'm an eat-the-rich type myself. But what's that got to do with Religion? 
Salvation? Enlightenment? 
 

 Religion is more important than economics. It transcends economics. You'd have 
thought a pope would understand the importance of hierarchies.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 We've all seen the wonders of "trickle down economics."  It's why the rich 
call us "peons."
 
 On 11/30/2013 06:00 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:
 
   The Pope said “some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which 
assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably 
succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This 
opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and 
naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power.
 
 
 So is the Pope now an expert on economics (the dismal science)? "Trickle-down" 
theories could be wrong - but they could be right. It is surely possible to be 
a pious Christian and either support or oppose socialism. When popes claim that 
one or the other side is right they get dangerously close to claiming that 
supporters of the side they oppose are not true Christians - and so not saved.
 
 
 Jesus would be turning in His grave - if He hadn't risen.
 
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:emptybill@... wrote:
 
 Email HIM. Offer to evangelize the Tantrika-s. Maybe he'll offer to make you a 
socialist proselyte and then, if you are successful, a bishop. 
 
 
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote:
 
 BTW, those folks over on Infowars have a tendency to contradict themselves.  
They were talking about the riots at stores Thanksgiving Evening and saying 
that "individualism" would prevent that.  WRONG.  In fact much of the dialectic 
on Infowars is for the "we" people.  They like to point to the BBC documentary 
"Century of the Self" which is about how the "me" society was created and how 
destructive it has been.  And you can't have much of a revolution with a bunch 
of "me" people.
 
 They also thought that if the crowd would be this bad over cheap goods how 
much worse would they be fighting over food?  Hurricane Sandy rather disproved 
that.
 
 That crowd is often a group out of sync with themselves. 
 
 
 On 11/30/2013 02:50 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote:
 
   Who could imagine ... Bhari2 and EmilyMaybeNot should now be satisfied.
 
 Trouble is Bhari2 is a Tantrika. So the "Holy Father" and the "Congregation 
for the Doctrine of the Faith" will require him to repent his Hindoo errors. 
Repent now and profess the truth! ... "You didn't make that!". 
 
 Convert now to the true faith. Admit that you are not God but are the 
God-damned.  
 
 
 
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/
 
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[emptybill]

We already know about trickle-down socialism and trickle-down salvation - how 
about trickle-down transcendence? 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 We've all seen the wonders of "trickle down economics."  It's why the rich 
call us "peons."
 
 On 11/30/2013 06:00 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:
 
   The Pope said “some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which 
assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably 
succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This 
opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and 
naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power.
 
 
 So is the Pope now an expert on economics (the dismal science)? "Trickle-down" 
theories could be wrong - but they could be right. It is surely possible to be 
a pious Christian and either support or oppose socialism. When popes claim that 
one or the other side is right they get dangerously close to claiming that 
supporters of the side they oppose are not true Christians - and so not saved.
 
 
 Jesus would be turning in His grave - if He hadn't risen.
 
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:emptybill@... wrote:
 
 Email HIM. Offer to evangelize the Tantrika-s. Maybe he'll offer to make you a 
socialist proselyte and then, if you are successful, a bishop. 
 
 
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote:
 
 BTW, those folks over on Infowars have a tendency to contradict themselves.  
They were talking about the riots at stores Thanksgiving Evening and saying 
that "individualism" would prevent that.  WRONG.  In fact much of the dialectic 
on Infowars is for the "we" people.  They like to point to the BBC documentary 
"Century of the Self" which is about how the "me" society was created and how 
destructive it has been.  And you can't have much of a revolution with a bunch 
of "me" people.
 
 They also thought that if the crowd would be this bad over cheap goods how 
much worse would they be fighting over food?  Hurricane Sandy rather disproved 
that.
 
 That crowd is often a group out of sync with themselves. 
 
 
 On 11/30/2013 02:50 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote:
 
   Who could imagine ... Bhari2 and EmilyMaybeNot should now be satisfied.
 
 Trouble is Bhari2 is a Tantrika. So the "Holy Father" and the "Congregation 
for the Doctrine of the Faith" will require him to repent his Hindoo errors. 
Repent now and profess the truth! ... "You didn't make that!". 
 
 Convert now to the true faith. Admit that you are not God but are the 
God-damned.  
 
 
 
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/
 
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[Bhairitu]

We've all seen the wonders of "trickle down economics."  It's why the 
rich call us "peons."


On 11/30/2013 06:00 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:


The Pope said “some people continue to defend trickle-down theories 
which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will 
inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness 
in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the 
facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those 
wielding economic power.



So is the Pope now an expert on economics (the dismal science)? 
"Trickle-down" theories could be wrong - but they could be right. It 
is surely possible to be a pious Christian and either support or 
oppose socialism. When popes claim that one or the other side is right 
they get dangerously close to claiming that supporters of the side 
they oppose are not true Christians - and so not saved.



Jesus would be turning in His grave - if He hadn't risen.



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

Email HIM. Offer to evangelize the Tantrika-s. Maybe he'll offer to 
make you a socialist proselyte and then, if you are successful, a bishop.




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

BTW, those folks over on Infowars have a tendency to contradict
themselves.  They were talking about the riots at stores
Thanksgiving Evening and saying that "individualism" would prevent
that.  WRONG.  In fact much of the dialectic on Infowars is for
the "we" people.  They like to point to the BBC documentary
"Century of the Self" which is about how the "me" society was
created and how destructive it has been. And you can't have much
of a revolution with a bunch of "me" people.

They also thought that if the crowd would be this bad over cheap
goods how much worse would they be fighting over food?  Hurricane
Sandy rather disproved that.

That crowd is often a group out of sync with themselves.


On 11/30/2013 02:50 PM, emptybill@... 
wrote:


Who could imagine ... Bhari2 and EmilyMaybeNot should now be
satisfied.

Trouble is Bhari2 is a Tantrika. So the "Holy Father" and the
"Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" will require him to
repent his Hindoo errors. Repent now and profess the truth! ...
"You didn't make that!".

Convert now to the true faith. Admit that you are not God but are
the God-damned.


http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[s3raphita]

The Pope said “some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which 
assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably 
succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This 
opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and 
naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power.
 

 So is the Pope now an expert on economics (the dismal science)? "Trickle-down" 
theories could be wrong - but they could be right. It is surely possible to be 
a pious Christian and either support or oppose socialism. When popes claim that 
one or the other side is right they get dangerously close to claiming that 
supporters of the side they oppose are not true Christians - and so not saved.
 

 Jesus would be turning in His grave - if He hadn't risen.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Email HIM. Offer to evangelize the Tantrika-s. Maybe he'll offer to make you a 
socialist proselyte and then, if you are successful, a bishop. 

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 BTW, those folks over on Infowars have a tendency to contradict themselves.  
They were talking about the riots at stores Thanksgiving Evening and saying 
that "individualism" would prevent that.  WRONG.  In fact much of the dialectic 
on Infowars is for the "we" people.  They like to point to the BBC documentary 
"Century of the Self" which is about how the "me" society was created and how 
destructive it has been.  And you can't have much of a revolution with a bunch 
of "me" people.
 
 They also thought that if the crowd would be this bad over cheap goods how 
much worse would they be fighting over food?  Hurricane Sandy rather disproved 
that.
 
 That crowd is often a group out of sync with themselves. 
 
 
 On 11/30/2013 02:50 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote:
 
   Who could imagine ... Bhari2 and EmilyMaybeNot should now be satisfied.
 
 Trouble is Bhari2 is a Tantrika. So the "Holy Father" and the "Congregation 
for the Doctrine of the Faith" will require him to repent his Hindoo errors. 
Repent now and profess the truth! ... "You didn't make that!". 
 
 Convert now to the true faith. Admit that you are not God but are the 
God-damned.  
 
 
 
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/
 
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/
 
 
 
 

 

[FairfieldLife] RE: Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

[emptybill]

Email HIM. Offer to evangelize the Tantrika-s. Maybe he'll offer to make you a 
socialist proselyte and then, if you are successful, a bishop. 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 BTW, those folks over on Infowars have a tendency to contradict themselves.  
They were talking about the riots at stores Thanksgiving Evening and saying 
that "individualism" would prevent that.  WRONG.  In fact much of the dialectic 
on Infowars is for the "we" people.  They like to point to the BBC documentary 
"Century of the Self" which is about how the "me" society was created and how 
destructive it has been.  And you can't have much of a revolution with a bunch 
of "me" people.
 
 They also thought that if the crowd would be this bad over cheap goods how 
much worse would they be fighting over food?  Hurricane Sandy rather disproved 
that.
 
 That crowd is often a group out of sync with themselves. 
 
 
 On 11/30/2013 02:50 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote:
 
   Who could imagine ... Bhari2 and EmilyMaybeNot should now be satisfied.
 
 Trouble is Bhari2 is a Tantrika. So the "Holy Father" and the "Congregation 
for the Doctrine of the Faith" will require him to repent his Hindoo errors. 
Repent now and profess the truth! ... "You didn't make that!". 
 
 Convert now to the true faith. Admit that you are not God but are the 
God-damned.  
 
 
 
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/
 
http://www.infowars.com/jesuit-trained-pope-trashes-capitalism-in-call-for-worldwide-socialism/