Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[TurquoiseBee]

I am speculating, Steve, based on experience, both with Indians, and with the 
TM movement. 


No one who has ever worked for the TM movement for "room and board plus course 
credit" and then had that course credit taken away on a whim by Maharishi 
because his cash flow was low will ever believe what they read in a TMO press 
release. 


I have no doubts that many of the pandits there, having been immersed in a TM 
"We're the greatest because we alone are saving the world" environment for 
years, feel as if they are there for a Cosmic Purpose, doing something valuable 
and wonderful. I mean, look at Lawson, who, as I understand it, has never 
worked for the TM movement in his life, but spends an inordinate amount of his 
time arguing about the absolute supremacy of TM on the Internet. There is just 
no accounting for True Believers and the things they do. 


No, I don't know for sure that my jaundiced view of the "pandit program" is 
correct, but I contend that it is a reasonable extrapolation of the facts as 
presented so far. The pandits ARE recruited in their pre-pubescence from poor 
families who can barely afford to support them, and they ARE essentially sold 
into indentured servitude by their parents (they can't be held responsible for 
the decision, because they're minors) for the promise of $150 per month plus 
(hopefully) an education for their sons. They ARE paid only $50 per month, the 
$150 (hopefully) going to their parents. They ARE being paid *at most* $2.50 an 
hour to perform services that the TM organization then charges thousands and 
tens of thousands of dollars for. All of these things are FACTS, even if you 
believe the TM press releases. 


I'm suggesting that this is a human rights travesty, and that those who condone 
it are lower than the lint in a snake's navel. 


Your mileage may vary. 





 From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 


  
We all pick up on different things, don't we?  My information comes from the 
original reports in which many of the pundit "boys" were quoted as saying that 
they were embarrassed by the incident, and that it ran contrary to why they 
were there.  You can look up the original article if you want.  I think I got 
it pretty much right.
But the picture you are creating is more of child, or at least people 
trafficking, and I think it is inaccurate.

But tell me, apart from your theory that they and their families are too 
brainwashed to know better, who is forcing them to come, and/or stay there?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


I don't know, but neither do you, and neither do any of the people supporting 
this program. Where did the "reports" you cite come from? The TM movement will 
not allow any of the actual pandits to be interviewed. Even if they did, would 
they/could they tell the truth, if Girish's organization (which has been 
described in the Indian press as a "Mafia") could harm their families at home 
in reprisal?

The one thing everyone *can* agree on is that they are being exploited, and for 
money. They are paid $1.66 a day to chant yagyas that the TM movement charges 
tens of thousands of dollars for.



____
 From: "steve.sundur@..." 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role



 
Sort of sounds like you're building a pretty iron clad case.  The reports I've 
seen indicate that most of the pundits seem happy with the arrangement.  But I 
guess what you are saying that they are too brain washed to know otherwise.  
It sounds like a program would not serve your needs, but maybe it is working 
fine for the pundits and their families who participate. 

On the other hand, it sounds like you're saying the brainwashing has been so 
thorough that they have no choice. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 wrote :


Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that 
the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, 
I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues:

1. Many of them have been "in the program" and behind barbed wire since they 
were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions 
about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to 
sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally 
agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten
years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any 
other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them
for the prospect of a few more ru

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[Share Long]

Steve, just to butt in here and make the point again that imo to force someone 
to create world peace is a contradiction in terms and shouldn't be done, even 
if it's parents doing that to their young children. I think such a program 
should only have volunteers. Otherwise it's flawed at the core.





On Friday, March 21, 2014 11:01 AM, "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
We all pick up on different things, don't we?  My information comes from the 
original reports in which many of the pundit "boys" were quoted as saying that 
they were embarrassed by the incident, and that it ran contrary to why they 
were there.  You can look up the original article if you want.  I think I got 
it pretty much right.

But the picture you are creating is more of child, or at least people 
trafficking, and I think it is inaccurate.

But tell me, apart from your theory that they and their families are too 
brainwashed to know better, who is forcing them to come, and/or stay there?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


I don't know, but neither do you, and neither do any of the people supporting 
this program. Where did the "reports" you cite come from? The TM movement will 
not allow any of the actual pandits to be interviewed. Even if they did, would 
they/could they tell the truth, if Girish's organization (which has been 
described in the Indian press as a "Mafia") could harm their families at home 
in reprisal?

The one thing everyone *can* agree on is that they are being exploited, and for 
money. They are paid $1.66 a day to chant yagyas that the TM movement charges 
tens of thousands of dollars for.




 From: "steve.sundur@..." 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role



 
Sort of sounds like you're building a pretty iron clad case.  The reports I've 
seen indicate that most of the pundits seem happy with the arrangement.  But I 
guess what you are saying that they are too brain washed to know otherwise.  
It sounds like a program would not serve your needs, but maybe it is working 
fine for the pundits and their families who participate. 

On the other hand, it sounds like you're saying the brainwashing has been so 
thorough that they have no choice. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 wrote :


Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that 
the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, 
I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues:

1. Many of them have been "in the program" and behind barbed wire since they 
were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions 
about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to 
sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally 
agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten
years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any 
other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them
for the prospect of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day.

2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've 
worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two 
dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman 
they'd never met. Yes, "arranged marriages" are still the norm. When asked by 
me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: "Family." Their 
families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, 
which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The 
pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to 
do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. 


Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a 
shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to "argue on the Internet" 
incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? 
Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys?



____
 From: TurquoiseBee 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role



 
Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get 
paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other 
$150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. 
They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 
as you claim. 

Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[steve.sundur]

We all pick up on different things, don't we?  My information comes from the 
original reports in which many of the pundit "boys" were quoted as saying that 
they were embarrassed by the incident, and that it ran contrary to why they 
were there.  You can look up the original article if you want.  I think I got 
it pretty much right. 

 But the picture you are creating is more of child, or at least people 
trafficking, and I think it is inaccurate.
 

 But tell me, apart from your theory that they and their families are too 
brainwashed to know better, who is forcing them to come, and/or stay there?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't know, but neither do you, and neither do any of the people supporting 
this program. Where did the "reports" you cite come from? The TM movement will 
not allow any of the actual pandits to be interviewed. Even if they did, would 
they/could they tell the truth, if Girish's organization (which has been 
described in the Indian press as a "Mafia") could harm their families at home 
in reprisal?
 

 The one thing everyone *can* agree on is that they are being exploited, and 
for money. They are paid $1.66 a day to chant yagyas that the TM movement 
charges tens of thousands of dollars for.

 

 From: "steve.sundur@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 1:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 
 
   Sort of sounds like you're building a pretty iron clad case.  The reports 
I've seen indicate that most of the pundits seem happy with the arrangement.  
But I guess what you are saying that they are too brain washed to know 
otherwise.  
 It sounds like a program would not serve your needs, but maybe it is working 
fine for the pundits and their families who participate. 
 

 On the other hand, it sounds like you're saying the brainwashing has been so 
thorough that they have no choice. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that 
the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, 
I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues:

1. Many of them have been "in the program" and behind barbed wire since they 
were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions 
about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to 
sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally 
agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten 
years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any 
other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect 
of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day.

2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've 
worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two 
dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman 
they'd never met. Yes, "arranged marriages" are still the norm. When asked by 
me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: "Family." Their 
families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, 
which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The 
pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to 
do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. 
 

 Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a 
shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to "argue on the Internet" 
incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? 
Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys?

 

 From: TurquoiseBee 
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 
 
   Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get 
paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other 
$150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. 
They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 
as you claim. 

Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day.

 From: "LEnglish5@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 
 
   John Haglein is now "Raja" John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North 
America.
 

 I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the 
IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations.
 

 John is paid $37

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's being a total cultist to claim that they *are* getting $200. They are 
getting $50 per month. That is the only money they will ever see, if they ever 
even see that, except as "credits" at the "company store." The other $150 goes 
to the parents who sold them into this program when they were young.
 

 Nothing you can ever say can spin this otherwise. 

 

 It's shameful of you to even try. 

 

 Shame, shame, shame. Bawwy, you're makin' me laugh with your 
pseudo-humanitarian front on this subject. Think of it as getting $50 now and 
"banking" $150 with your family who gets to spend that money when and how they 
choose. And if your feeble and closed mind can get around the fact that food 
and housing are worth money then you would realize their 'payment' includes 
that as well. No one here is claiming these pandits are going to retire as 
millionaires but they have made a choice to take food, shelter, money and 3x 
that salary to be sent to aid their relatives back home. Now dry your crocodile 
tears and can we move on?
 

 

 From: "authfriend@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 2:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 
 
   The pandits get paid $200 per month. Lawson isn't "lying" or "pretending." 
The families wouldn't be receiving $150 per month if their sons weren't earning 
it, and it's sophistry to claim otherwise.
 

 Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get 
paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other 
$150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. 
They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 
as you claim.  









 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[authfriend]

The pandits get paid $200 per month. Lawson isn't "lying" or "pretending," and 
I'm not being "a total cultist" to say so. As noted, the families wouldn't be 
receiving $150 per month if their sons weren't earning it, and it's not just 
spinning but the purest sophistry to claim otherwise.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's being a total cultist to claim that they *are* getting $200. They are 
getting $50 per month. That is the only money they will ever see, if they ever 
even see that, except as "credits" at the "company store." The other $150 goes 
to the parents who sold them into this program when they were young.
 

 Nothing you can ever say can spin this otherwise. 

 

 It's shameful of you to even try. 

 

 From: "authfriend@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 2:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 
 
   The pandits get paid $200 per month. Lawson isn't "lying" or "pretending." 
The families wouldn't be receiving $150 per month if their sons weren't earning 
it, and it's sophistry to claim otherwise.
 

 Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get 
paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other 
$150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. 
They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 
as you claim.  









 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get 
paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other 
$150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. 
They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 
as you claim. 

Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day.
 

 Ah, but you should hear Hagelin sing (chant); he's worth every penny. And he 
sends $392 of that back to his grandmother in Florida.

 From: "LEnglish5@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 
 
   John Haglein is now "Raja" John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North 
America.
 

 I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the 
IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations.
 

 John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for 
Global Country of World Peace activities.
 

 He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, 
etchnology and public policy at MUM.
 

 By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into 
what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as 
you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post.
 

 L

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[authfriend]

A few additional minor comments on Barry's apologetics: 

 1. Many of them have been "in the program" and behind barbed wire since they 
were minors as young as 8, 

 Barry has no idea whether the Indian program puts the pandit boys "behind 
barbed wire."
 

 After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten years or more, it's 
understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any other life, and thus 
signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect of a few more rupees 
and a few more bowls of curry per day.

 

 This is hilarious. How many bowls of curry does a pandit normally eat in a 
day? How many more bowls is "a few more"? Is that written into the contract?
 

 What happened here was, Barry decided he needed something besides "a few more 
rupees" for rhythm, but he couldn't think of anything offhand that made any 
sense, so he just threw in something that didn't make any sense.
 

 ...Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to 
be a shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to "argue on the Internet" 
incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement?
 

 Gee, I haven't seen this silly canard, in which those defending TM are accused 
of doing it for money, from the TM-critic faction since alt.m.t days.
 

 Barry, of course, has NO idea how much of his time Lawson spends defending the 
TM movement. We certainly don't see him on FFL that often. The epithet 
"full-time apologist" is not only based on no evidence whatsoever, it's almost 
certainly false. And I think everyone understands that the "How much do YOU 
make?" question has nothing behind it either. It's just a nasty spitball. 
 

  Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys?

 

 Lawson is SO much more objective about the TMO than Barry is. If you adopt 
Barry's claims about Lawson rather than actually reading what Lawson posts, 
you're letting yourself be spun straight down the garden path.
 

 Would Lawson report on what he found out concerning what Hagelin is paid if he 
were trying to burnish the TMO's image?
 

 From: TurquoiseBee 
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 
 
   Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get 
paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other 
$150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. 
They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 
as you claim. 

Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day.

 From: "LEnglish5@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 
 
   John Haglein is now "Raja" John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North 
America.
 

 I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the 
IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations.
 

 John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for 
Global Country of World Peace activities.
 

 He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, 
etchnology and public policy at MUM.
 

 By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into 
what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as 
you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post.
 

 L

 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that 
the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, 
I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues:

1. Many of them have been "in the program" and behind barbed wire since they 
were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions 
about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to 
sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally 
agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten 
years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any 
other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect 
of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day.

2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've 
worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two 
dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman 
they'd never met. Yes, "arranged marriages" are still the norm. When asked by 
me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: "Family." Their 
families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, 
which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The 
pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to 
do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. 
 

 Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a 
shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to "argue on the Internet" 
incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? 
Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys?

 

 It's official, Lawson should be horse whipped and hung out to dry in the 
freezing cold for an indeterminate amount of time. I mean, hwww stpid 
can a person be? And if doing simple math amounts to being a "full-time 
apologist for the TM movement" then by God, let's lynch him instead. Or we 
could just try and humiliate him and make him feel like some sort of dolt by 
harping on him for not agreeing with us. Yea, let's do that and while we're at 
it make sure we try and ridicule everyone else here who doesn't feel exactly as 
we do because, after all, we know best.
 From: TurquoiseBee 
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 
 
   Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get 
paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other 
$150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. 
They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 
as you claim. 

Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day.

 From: "LEnglish5@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 
 
   John Haglein is now "Raja" John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North 
America.
 

 I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the 
IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations.
 

 John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for 
Global Country of World Peace activities.
 

 He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, 
etchnology and public policy at MUM.
 

 By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into 
what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as 
you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post.
 

 L

 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[TurquoiseBee]

It's being a total cultist to claim that they *are* getting $200. They are 
getting $50 per month. That is the only money they will ever see, if they ever 
even see that, except as "credits" at the "company store." The other $150 goes 
to the parents who sold them into this program when they were young.


Nothing you can ever say can spin this otherwise. 


It's shameful of you to even try. 




 From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 


  
The pandits get paid $200 per month. Lawson isn't "lying" or "pretending." The 
families wouldn't be receiving $150 per month if their sons weren't earning it, 
and it's sophistry to claim otherwise.

Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get 
paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other 
$150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. 
They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 
as you claim. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[authfriend]

The pandits get paid $200 per month. Lawson isn't "lying" or "pretending." The 
families wouldn't be receiving $150 per month if their sons weren't earning it, 
and it's sophistry to claim otherwise. 

 

 Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get 
paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other 
$150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. 
They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 
as you claim.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[authfriend]

He's building an "iron-clad" case based on conjecture and mind-reading. 

 Sort of sounds like you're building a pretty iron clad case.  The reports I've 
seen indicate that most of the pundits seem happy with the arrangement.  But I 
guess what you are saying that they are too brain washed to know otherwise.

 

 Convenient, isn't it? Claiming they're brainwashed makes it possible to 
invalidate any and all positive comments from the pandits, as well as frame an 
absence of negative comments as negative. Heads I win, tails you lose.
 

 

 It sounds like a program would not serve your needs, but maybe it is working 
fine for the pundits and their families who participate. 
 

 On the other hand, it sounds like you're saying the brainwashing has been so 
thorough that they have no choice. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that 
the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, 
I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues:

1. Many of them have been "in the program" and behind barbed wire since they 
were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions 
about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to 
sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally 
agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten 
years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any 
other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect 
of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day.

2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've 
worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two 
dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman 
they'd never met. Yes, "arranged marriages" are still the norm. When asked by 
me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: "Family." Their 
families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, 
which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The 
pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to 
do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. 
 

 Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a 
shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to "argue on the Internet" 
incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? 
Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys?

 

 From: TurquoiseBee 
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 
 
   Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get 
paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other 
$150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. 
They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 
as you claim. 

Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day.

 From: "LEnglish5@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 
 
   John Haglein is now "Raja" John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North 
America.
 

 I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the 
IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations.
 

 John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for 
Global Country of World Peace activities.
 

 He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, 
etchnology and public policy at MUM.
 

 By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into 
what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as 
you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post.
 

 L

 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[TurquoiseBee]

I don't know, but neither do you, and neither do any of the people supporting 
this program. Where did the "reports" you cite come from? The TM movement will 
not allow any of the actual pandits to be interviewed. Even if they did, would 
they/could they tell the truth, if Girish's organization (which has been 
described in the Indian press as a "Mafia") could harm their families at home 
in reprisal?

The one thing everyone *can* agree on is that they are being exploited, and for 
money. They are paid $1.66 a day to chant yagyas that the TM movement charges 
tens of thousands of dollars for.




 From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 


  
Sort of sounds like you're building a pretty iron clad case.  The reports I've 
seen indicate that most of the pundits seem happy with the arrangement.  But I 
guess what you are saying that they are too brain washed to know otherwise.  
It sounds like a program would not serve your needs, but maybe it is working 
fine for the pundits and their families who participate. 

On the other hand, it sounds like you're saying the brainwashing has been so 
thorough that they have no choice. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that 
the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, 
I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues:

1. Many of them have been "in the program" and behind barbed wire since they 
were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions 
about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to 
sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally 
agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten 
years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any 
other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them
for the prospect of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day.

2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've 
worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two 
dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman 
they'd never met. Yes, "arranged marriages" are still the norm. When asked by 
me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: "Family." Their 
families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, 
which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The 
pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to 
do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. 


Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a 
shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to "argue on the Internet" 
incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? 
Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys?



____________
 From: TurquoiseBee 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role



 
Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get 
paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other 
$150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. 
They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 
as you claim. 

Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day.



____________
 From: "LEnglish5@..." 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role



 
John Haglein is now "Raja" John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America.

I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the 
IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations.

John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for 
Global Country of World Peace activities.

He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology 
and public policy at MUM.

By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what 
he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you 
have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post.

L

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[steve.sundur]

Sort of sounds like you're building a pretty iron clad case.  The reports I've 
seen indicate that most of the pundits seem happy with the arrangement.  But I 
guess what you are saying that they are too brain washed to know otherwise.   

 It sounds like a program would not serve your needs, but maybe it is working 
fine for the pundits and their families who participate. 
 

 On the other hand, it sounds like you're saying the brainwashing has been so 
thorough that they have no choice. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that 
the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, 
I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues:

1. Many of them have been "in the program" and behind barbed wire since they 
were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions 
about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to 
sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally 
agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten 
years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any 
other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect 
of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day.

2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've 
worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two 
dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman 
they'd never met. Yes, "arranged marriages" are still the norm. When asked by 
me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: "Family." Their 
families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, 
which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The 
pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to 
do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. 
 

 Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a 
shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to "argue on the Internet" 
incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? 
Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys?

 

 From: TurquoiseBee 
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 
 
   Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get 
paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other 
$150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. 
They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 
as you claim. 

Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day.

 From: "LEnglish5@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 
 
   John Haglein is now "Raja" John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North 
America.
 

 I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the 
IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations.
 

 John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for 
Global Country of World Peace activities.
 

 He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, 
etchnology and public policy at MUM.
 

 By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into 
what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as 
you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post.
 

 L

 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[authfriend]

Barry's apologetics for his negative spin on the pandit program involve making 
a distinction between legal freedom and psychological freedom. While the 
distinction is valid on its own terms, the case that while the pandits are 
legally free to make their own decisions, they aren't psychologically free to 
do so, is hardly cut-and-dried. Essentially, it requires reading the minds of 
the pandits based on what one knows--or simply infers--about their situation 
prior to coming to this country and about the nature of family relations in 
India. 

 The degree of the pandits' psychological freedom may well be a significant 
issue that warrants discussion, but it is by no means a slam-dunk to assume 
they lack it. And even if it could be determined, whether and how it should 
affect the program--should such a lack trump their legal freedom?--is another 
issue entirely.
 

 Bottom line, Barry's conjectures about the psychological freedom of the 
pandits should not be taken to constitute proof that they are being unfairly 
exploited by the TMO. Barry's knowledge of the pandits' situation before 
signing on to the U.S. part of the program is rudimentary at best, and his 
knowledge of their current psychological state is nonexistent. He can't 
legitimately accuse Lawson of "ignoring" what he himself is only guessing at.
 

 Again, the psychological freedom issue does warrant discussion, but the 
ability to come to a hard-and-fast, evidence-based conclusion about what it 
means, or should mean, for the pandit program may not be within our grasp.
 

 

 Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that 
the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, 
I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues:
 
1. Many of them have been "in the program" and behind barbed wire since they 
were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions 
about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to 
sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally 
agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten 
years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any 
other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect 
of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day.

2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've 
worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two 
dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman 
they'd never met. Yes, "arranged marriages" are still the norm. When asked by 
me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: "Family." Their 
families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, 
which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The 
pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to 
do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. 
 

 Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a 
shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to "argue on the Internet" 
incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? 
Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys?

 

 From: TurquoiseBee 
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 
 
   Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get 
paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other 
$150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. 
They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 
as you claim. 

Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day.

 From: "LEnglish5@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 
 
   John Haglein is now "Raja" John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North 
America.
 

 I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the 
IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations.
 

 John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for 
Global Country of World Peace activities.
 

 He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, 
etchnology and public policy at MUM.
 

 By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into 
what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as 
you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post.
 

 L

 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[doctordumbass]

Catch a clue, dear. Barry just gets into this manure, in order to distract 
attention from his fairly serious emotional issues. You can obviously play 
along, for fun, but please don't be taken in by his feigned passion for this 
topic. Just a smokescreen he can use, to hide from himself.
Now, before you accuse me of demonizing the poor man, I'd just like to point 
out that once it becomes apparent that someone is a serial critic, of almost 
everything, as he is, it is only a matter of time, before I ask myself, "Why?" 
:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 turq, at least 2 things we don't know: we don't know if they were fenced in 
from the get go, when they were 6 to 8 years old; we don't know if all the boys 
had to be forced by their families to join the program. It's possible that some 
of them genuinely wanted to.

But if, to repeat my opinion, if even one child was forced, then the program 
needs to be ended and begun again, next time with only volunteers.
 

 
 
 On Friday, March 21, 2014 1:48 AM, TurquoiseBee  wrote:
 
   Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that 
the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, 
I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues:

1. Many of them have been "in the program" and behind barbed wire since they 
were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions 
about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to 
sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally 
agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten 
years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any 
other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect 
of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day.

2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've 
worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two 
dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman 
they'd never met. Yes, "arranged marriages" are still the norm. When asked by 
me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: "Family." Their 
families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, 
which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The 
pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to 
do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. 
 

 Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a 
shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to "argue on the Internet" 
incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? 
Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys?

 

 From: TurquoiseBee 
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 
 
   Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get 
paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other 
$150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. 
They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 
as you claim. 

Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day.

 From: "LEnglish5@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 
 
   John Haglein is now "Raja" John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North 
America.
 

 I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the 
IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations.
 

 John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for 
Global Country of World Peace activities.
 

 He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, 
etchnology and public policy at MUM.
 

 By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into 
what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as 
you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post.
 

 L

 












 


 











 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[LEnglish5]

Who says he was worth billions? A newspaper?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[Share Long]

turq, at least 2 things we don't know: we don't know if they were fenced in 
from the get go, when they were 6 to 8 years old; we don't know if all the boys 
had to be forced by their families to join the program. It's possible that some 
of them genuinely wanted to.

But if, to repeat my opinion, if even one child was forced, then the program 
needs to be ended and begun again, next time with only volunteers.





On Friday, March 21, 2014 1:48 AM, TurquoiseBee  wrote:
 
  
Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that 
the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, 
I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues:

1. Many of them have been "in the program" and behind barbed wire since they 
were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions 
about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to 
sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally 
agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten 
years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any 
other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them
 for the prospect of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day.

2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've 
worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two 
dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman 
they'd never met. Yes, "arranged marriages" are still the norm. When asked by 
me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: "Family." Their 
families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, 
which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The 
pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to 
do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. 


Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a 
shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to "argue on the Internet" 
incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? 
Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys?




 From: TurquoiseBee 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 


  
Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get 
paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other 
$150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. 
They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 
as you claim. 

Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day.




 From: "lengli...@cox.net" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 


  
John Haglein is now "Raja" John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America.

I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the 
IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations.

John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for 
Global Country of World Peace activities.

He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology 
and public policy at MUM.

By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what 
he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you 
have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post.

L

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[Michael Jackson]

And Marshy got paid nothing on paper, yet he was worth billions - you think 
these lying asses are above hiding their assets?

On Fri, 3/21/14, lengli...@cox.net  wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 6:16 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   John Haglein is now "Raja" John Hagelin,
 in charge of the TMO for North America.
 I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM
 finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various
 TM-related organizations.
 John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He
 gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace
 activities.
 He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the
 Insitute for Science, etchnology and public policy at
 MUM.
 By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North
 America. I haven't looked into what he is paid or not as
 Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you
 have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for
 the post.
 L
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[TurquoiseBee]

Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that 
the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, 
I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues:

1. Many of them have been "in the program" and behind barbed wire since they 
were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions 
about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to 
sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally 
agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten 
years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any 
other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect 
of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day.

2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've 
worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two 
dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman 
they'd never met. Yes, "arranged marriages" are still the norm. When asked by 
me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: "Family." Their 
families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, 
which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The 
pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to 
do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. 


Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a 
shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to "argue on the Internet" 
incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? 
Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys?




 From: TurquoiseBee 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 


  
Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get 
paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other 
$150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. 
They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 
as you claim. 

Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day.




 From: "lengli...@cox.net" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 


  
John Haglein is now "Raja" John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America.

I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the 
IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations.

John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for 
Global Country of World Peace activities.

He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology 
and public policy at MUM.

By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what 
he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you 
have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post.

L

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[TurquoiseBee]

Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get 
paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other 
$150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. 
They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 
as you claim. 

Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day.




 From: "lengli...@cox.net" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
 


  
John Haglein is now "Raja" John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America.

I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the 
IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations.

John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for 
Global Country of World Peace activities.

He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology 
and public policy at MUM.

By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what 
he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you 
have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post.

L

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[LEnglish5]

John Haglein is now "Raja" John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North 
America. 

 I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the 
IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations.
 

 John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for 
Global Country of World Peace activities.
 

 He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, 
etchnology and public policy at MUM.
 

 By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into 
what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as 
you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post.
 

 L

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[dhamiltony2k5]

By Personality;  Morris and then Hagelin below: 

 Xeno, the model of Bevan as the supreme TM leader to follow is different than 
Hagelin's. The general on the Western Front of the British army at the Somme 
who then again followed after the Somme at Ypres is the better example of 
Bevan. The commonwealth general was committed to massive infantry frontal 
assault against the machine gun and other modern weaponry well past the time 
when it had been well proven obsolete. That guy was pig-headed as a character 
trait. He had all the credentials to leadership and was certainly supremely 
confident in himself, so much so that he could not see any problem with his 
play book or reason to change or do something otherwise. It was only a matter 
of will to carry the infantry assault to the breakthrough! On the opening day 
of the Somme the Brits took 20,000 casualties. Within weeks it was 400,000. The 
flower of Greater Britain. He had all the credentials and that way of 
confidence about him. After the Somme he went on and did it again at Ypres with 
another 250,000 casualties. He got brought home as the unassailable 'hero of 
the Somme'. Little ground, heavy casualties. The numbers tell the story of 
Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig sort of like the tenure of our university 
President with the movement's Dome numbers. Like Haig our guy has certainly 
been resolute to a fault.
 

 -Buck,
 

 snip,
 

 B.H. Liddell-Hart, a distinguished military historian who had been wounded on 
the Western Front, went from admirer to skeptic to unremitting critic. He wrote 
in his diary:
 "He [Haig] was a man of supreme egoism and utter lack of scruple--who, to his 
overweening ambition, sacrificed hundreds of thousands of men. A man who 
betrayed even his most devoted assistants as well as the Government which he 
served. A man who gained his ends by trickery of a kind that was not merely 
immoral but criminal." > > > 
 > > > Om Shanti, It reads so Ominously similarly!
 > > >
 > > 
 > > A Flaw of excess in Any one Virtue-
 > > "This is the key to Haig's failure as a general. Every virtue becomes a 
 > > flaw when pushed to excess. Daring becomes impetuosity. Prudence becomes 
 > > irresolution. Will and resolution become stubbornness and pigheadedness. 
 > > Haig evidently believed that will and resolve could carry any obstacle."
 > > [excerpts:]
 > > The indictment against Haig and his "pigheaded" insistence of fighting 
 > > Third Ypres at a cost of more than 250,000 British casualties is not 
 > > simply one of losses, though that would be enough. What secures Third 
 > > Ypres' status as one of history's great military blunders is the fact that 
 > > while Haig thought it was a victory, the battle very nearly lost the war 
 > > for the Allies. 
 > > 
 > > Churchill dryly points out, "hopes of decisive victory…grew With every 
 > > step away from the British front line and reached absolute conviction in 
 > > the Intelligence Department." 
 > > 
 > > If there was deep mistrust between civilian and military leadership, Haig 
 > > was to blame for it. Swathed in sublime self-confidence, he always 
 > > promised great success and, as events unfolded, changed the definition of 
 > > success. So he felt contempt for the politicians, and they for him. The 
 > > politicians were in the right but didn't have the courage to act on their 
 > > convictions and simply fire Haig. The compromise--letting him keep his 
 > > command but denying him the reserves he needed--was the worst of many bad 
 > > alternatives. 
 > > 
 > > Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig became the youngest major general in the 
 > > army in 1904. At the outbreak of World War I, Haig helped organize the 
 > > British Expeditionary Force, then took command of it."
 > > 
 > > A similar course to a young Bevan coming in to position by Maharishi in 
 > > the 1970's as the equivalent of a TM Movement's Field Marshal from then 
 > > supplanting others. Haig is a tremendously interesting example of the 
 > > 'deceived' and 'failed' in so costly leadership emerging with laurels. In 
 > > numbers and costs in war that were spectacular in a way similar like the 
 > > decline of TM in the Bevan years. So it is and ere we are with Bevan the 
 > > Prime Minister now the right hand of our TM King resolute to the end. 
 > > 
 > >
 > 
 > "In Churchill's devastating judgment, Haig "wore down alike the manhood and 
 > the guns of the British army almost to destruction." Keegan is also 
 > merciless: "On the Somme, [Haig] had sent the flower of British youth to 
 > death or mutilation; at Passchendaele he had tipped the survivors in the 
 > slough of despond."
 > "Of the final assault that carried the ruined, pointless little village of 
 > Passchendaele, British military historian J.F.C. Fuller, wrote, "To persist…
 > in this tactically impossible battle was an inexcusable piece of pigheadness 
 > on the part of Haig." This is the key to Haig's failure as a general. Every 
 > virtue becom

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

Matthew 18:20 - For where two or three are gathered together in the Unified 
Field, there is the Meissner Effect in the midst of them. 


> 
> It is going to be close.  Even if these new pundits show up in force in 
> re-enforcement we still need a few more good meditators from the community to 
> come to the Domes to have steady numbers over 2,000 meditating morning and 
> evening, let alone 2,500 for safety.  We're going to need a few more willing 
> meditators, 150 or 200, from the community to come back to the Domes and fill 
> the breech.
> May the Unified Field have mercy on us. 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Yep, Gone over the Dome Numbers Cliff with Bevan
> > 
> > >
> > > Like the 'fiscal cliff', The Dome Numbers Cliff.  Frankly, Bevan and his 
> > > particular people around him went over the Dome numbers cliff years ago 
> > > fully committed to the plunge.  It is an edifying read for perspective to 
> > > look at the first two hundred posts to Fairfieldlife and see the roots of 
> > > the problem actually go back with Bevan even to the 1980's.  There were 
> > > quite reasonable suggestions made all along to stem the flow of people 
> > > out of the Domes.  Now, we are really swimming upstream needing to 
> > > portage around the big problem for all the damage that has been done to 
> > > the feelings of the meditating community.  It's getting towards a 'do or 
> > > die' time.  
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Transcendental Meditation technique is a simple, natural, 
> > > > effortless process practiced 15–20 minutes twice daily 
> > > > while sitting comfortably with eyes closed.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > seekliberation
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi 
> > > > > Mahesh Yogi to fulfill the highest ideals of education.
> > > > > 
> > > > > seekliberation
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 
> > > > > > years at more than 250 independent universities and research 
> > > > > > institutes in thirty-three countries have shown that the practice 
> > > > > > of transcending benefits all areas of individual life—mind, body, 
> > > > > > behavior, and society.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  )..this research is compelling evidence that even a small group 
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > practitioners of the Transcending Meditation program—as few as 1% 
> > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > population—create a positive influence on society reducing crime, 
> > > > > > > accidents and other negative trends. This overall increase of 
> > > > > > > positivity in societal trends arises from the increasing purity 
> > > > > > > in collective consciousness of the entire population created by 
> > > > > > > hundreds of individuals experiencing the pure silence and peace 
> > > > > > > of Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first 
> > > > > > > discovered by
> > > > > > > scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of 
> > > > > > > Maharishi who had predicted it more than a decade earlier.
> > > > > > > The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science 
> > > > > > > established a new formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful 
> > > > > > > society, free from crime and problems.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the 
> > > > > > > > Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators in 
> > > > > > > > Fairfield will bring security to America and defuse the 
> > > > > > > > precarious escalation of conflict in the world.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The 
> > > > > > > > > Numbers Cliff in the Domes. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could 
> > > > > > > > > > certainly work today [2013]:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > "First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having 
> > > > > > > > > > excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice 
> > > > > > > > > > Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome 
> > > > > > > > > > everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, 
> > > > > > > > > > you promise to practice what you have learned from 
> > > > > > > > > > Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never 
> > > > > > > > > > again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to 
> > > > > > > > > > do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom 
> > > > > > > > > > nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in 
> > > > > > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

It is going to be close.  Even if these new pundits show up in force in 
re-enforcement we still need a few more good meditators from the community to 
come to the Domes to have steady numbers over 2,000 meditating morning and 
evening, let alone 2,500 for safety.  We're going to need a few more willing 
meditators, 150 or 200, from the community to come back to the Domes and fill 
the breech.
May the Unified Field have mercy on us. 


> 
> Yep, Gone over the Dome Numbers Cliff with Bevan
> 
> >
> > Like the 'fiscal cliff', The Dome Numbers Cliff.  Frankly, Bevan and his 
> > particular people around him went over the Dome numbers cliff years ago 
> > fully committed to the plunge.  It is an edifying read for perspective to 
> > look at the first two hundred posts to Fairfieldlife and see the roots of 
> > the problem actually go back with Bevan even to the 1980's.  There were 
> > quite reasonable suggestions made all along to stem the flow of people out 
> > of the Domes.  Now, we are really swimming upstream needing to portage 
> > around the big problem for all the damage that has been done to the 
> > feelings of the meditating community.  It's getting towards a 'do or die' 
> > time.  
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  wrote:
> > >
> > > The Transcendental Meditation technique is a simple, natural, 
> > > effortless process practiced 15–20 minutes twice daily 
> > > while sitting comfortably with eyes closed.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > seekliberation
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi 
> > > > Mahesh Yogi to fulfill the highest ideals of education.
> > > > 
> > > > seekliberation
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 
> > > > > years at more than 250 independent universities and research 
> > > > > institutes in thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of 
> > > > > transcending benefits all areas of individual life—mind, body, 
> > > > > behavior, and society.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  )..this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of
> > > > > > practitioners of the Transcending Meditation program—as few as 1% 
> > > > > > of a
> > > > > > population—create a positive influence on society reducing crime, 
> > > > > > accidents and other negative trends. This overall increase of 
> > > > > > positivity in societal trends arises from the increasing purity in 
> > > > > > collective consciousness of the entire population created by 
> > > > > > hundreds of individuals experiencing the pure silence and peace of 
> > > > > > Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first discovered by
> > > > > > scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of 
> > > > > > Maharishi who had predicted it more than a decade earlier.
> > > > > > The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established 
> > > > > > a new formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful society, free 
> > > > > > from crime and problems.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the 
> > > > > > > Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators in 
> > > > > > > Fairfield will bring security to America and defuse the 
> > > > > > > precarious escalation of conflict in the world.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The 
> > > > > > > > Numbers Cliff in the Domes. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could 
> > > > > > > > > certainly work today [2013]:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > "First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having 
> > > > > > > > > excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice 
> > > > > > > > > Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone 
> > > > > > > > > back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you 
> > > > > > > > > promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no 
> > > > > > > > > more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or 
> > > > > > > > > exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their 
> > > > > > > > > private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to 
> > > > > > > > > do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love 
> > > > > > > > > and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony 
> > > > > > > > > and coherence for which the domes were built.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > The Department of the Development of Consciousness"
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fairfiel

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Maybe 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instead of calling them the Dome numbers, you should call them the Doom numbers.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  And 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeating stuff endlessly between posts instead of writing new material does 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not seem to help make it easier to follow your posts. Why not spend the time a 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bit more creatively. You do write some interesting things at times Buck.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  But you 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > undermine it with this mindless posting. It is just spam.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

Yep, Gone over the Dome Numbers Cliff with Bevan

>
> Like the 'fiscal cliff', The Dome Numbers Cliff.  Frankly, Bevan and his 
> particular people around him went over the Dome numbers cliff years ago fully 
> committed to the plunge.  It is an edifying read for perspective to look at 
> the first two hundred posts to Fairfieldlife and see the roots of the problem 
> actually go back with Bevan even to the 1980's.  There were quite reasonable 
> suggestions made all along to stem the flow of people out of the Domes.  Now, 
> we are really swimming upstream needing to portage around the big problem for 
> all the damage that has been done to the feelings of the meditating 
> community.  It's getting towards a 'do or die' time.  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  wrote:
> >
> > The Transcendental Meditation technique is a simple, natural, 
> > effortless process practiced 15–20 minutes twice daily 
> > while sitting comfortably with eyes closed.
> > 
> > 
> > seekliberation
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi 
> > > Mahesh Yogi to fulfill the highest ideals of education.
> > > 
> > > seekliberation
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years 
> > > > at more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in 
> > > > thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of transcending 
> > > > benefits all areas of individual life—mind, body, behavior, and society.
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  )..this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of
> > > > > practitioners of the Transcending Meditation program—as few as 1% of a
> > > > > population—create a positive influence on society reducing crime, 
> > > > > accidents and other negative trends. This overall increase of 
> > > > > positivity in societal trends arises from the increasing purity in 
> > > > > collective consciousness of the entire population created by hundreds 
> > > > > of individuals experiencing the pure silence and peace of 
> > > > > Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first discovered by
> > > > > scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of 
> > > > > Maharishi who had predicted it more than a decade earlier.
> > > > > The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established a 
> > > > > new formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful society, free from 
> > > > > crime and problems.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the 
> > > > > > Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators in 
> > > > > > Fairfield will bring security to America and defuse the precarious 
> > > > > > escalation of conflict in the world.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers 
> > > > > > > Cliff in the Domes. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could 
> > > > > > > > certainly work today [2013]:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > "First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having 
> > > > > > > > excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice 
> > > > > > > > Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone 
> > > > > > > > back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise 
> > > > > > > > to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no 
> > > > > > > > less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude 
> > > > > > > > anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. 
> > > > > > > > We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us 
> > > > > > > > all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and 
> > > > > > > > begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which 
> > > > > > > > the domes were built.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The Department of the Development of Consciousness"
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > "Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having 
> > > > > > > > > excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice 
> > > > > > > > > Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone 
> > > > > > > > > back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you 
> > > > > > > > > promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no 
> > > > > > > > > more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or 
> > > > > > > > > exclude anyone for what they may choose

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

Like the 'fiscal cliff', The Dome Numbers Cliff.  Frankly, Bevan and his 
particular people around him went over the Dome numbers cliff years ago fully 
committed to the plunge.  It is an edifying read for perspective to look at the 
first two hundred posts to Fairfieldlife and see the roots of the problem 
actually go back with Bevan even to the 1980's.  There were quite reasonable 
suggestions made all along to stem the flow of people out of the Domes.  Now, 
we are really swimming upstream needing to portage around the big problem for 
all the damage that has been done to the feelings of the meditating community.  
It's getting towards a 'do or die' time.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  wrote:
>
> The Transcendental Meditation technique is a simple, natural, 
> effortless process practiced 15–20 minutes twice daily 
> while sitting comfortably with eyes closed.
> 
> 
> seekliberation
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  wrote:
> >
> > Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh 
> > Yogi to fulfill the highest ideals of education.
> > 
> > seekliberation
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years 
> > > at more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in 
> > > thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of transcending 
> > > benefits all areas of individual life—mind, body, behavior, and society.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  )..this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of
> > > > practitioners of the Transcending Meditation program—as few as 1% of a
> > > > population—create a positive influence on society reducing crime, 
> > > > accidents and other negative trends. This overall increase of 
> > > > positivity in societal trends arises from the increasing purity in 
> > > > collective consciousness of the entire population created by hundreds 
> > > > of individuals experiencing the pure silence and peace of 
> > > > Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first discovered by
> > > > scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of 
> > > > Maharishi who had predicted it more than a decade earlier.
> > > > The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established a 
> > > > new formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful society, free from 
> > > > crime and problems.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the 
> > > > > Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators in Fairfield 
> > > > > will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation 
> > > > > of conflict in the world.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers 
> > > > > > Cliff in the Domes. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly 
> > > > > > > work today [2013]:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having 
> > > > > > > excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's 
> > > > > > > program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the 
> > > > > > > condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice 
> > > > > > > what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, 
> > > > > > > we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they 
> > > > > > > may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the 
> > > > > > > wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again 
> > > > > > > in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to 
> > > > > > > radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The Department of the Development of Consciousness"
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > "Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having 
> > > > > > > > excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice 
> > > > > > > > Maharishi's program there. We would like to welcome everyone 
> > > > > > > > back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise 
> > > > > > > > to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no 
> > > > > > > > less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude 
> > > > > > > > anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. 
> > > > > > > > We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us 
> > > > > > > > all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and 
> > > > > > > > begin once more to radiate the harmony and coheren

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[seekliberation]

The Transcendental Meditation technique is a simple, natural, 
effortless process practiced 15–20 minutes twice daily 
while sitting comfortably with eyes closed.


seekliberation



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  wrote:
>
> Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh 
> Yogi to fulfill the highest ideals of education.
> 
> seekliberation
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at 
> > more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in 
> > thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of transcending 
> > benefits all areas of individual life—mind, body, behavior, and society.
> > 
> > > 
> > >  )..this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of
> > > practitioners of the Transcending Meditation program—as few as 1% of a
> > > population—create a positive influence on society reducing crime, 
> > > accidents and other negative trends. This overall increase of positivity 
> > > in societal trends arises from the increasing purity in collective 
> > > consciousness of the entire population created by hundreds of individuals 
> > > experiencing the pure silence and peace of Transcendental Consciousness. 
> > > This phenomenon, first discovered by
> > > scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi 
> > > who had predicted it more than a decade earlier.
> > > The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established a new 
> > > formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful society, free from crime 
> > > and problems.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the Invincible 
> > > > America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators in Fairfield will bring 
> > > > security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in 
> > > > the world.
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers 
> > > > > Cliff in the Domes. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly 
> > > > > > work today [2013]:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having 
> > > > > > excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's 
> > > > > > program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the 
> > > > > > condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what 
> > > > > > you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we 
> > > > > > promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may 
> > > > > > choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom 
> > > > > > nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a 
> > > > > > spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the 
> > > > > > harmony and coherence for which the domes were built.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Jai Guru Dev,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The Department of the Development of Consciousness"
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having 
> > > > > > > excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's 
> > > > > > > program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the 
> > > > > > > condition that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice 
> > > > > > > what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, 
> > > > > > > we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they 
> > > > > > > may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the 
> > > > > > > wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again 
> > > > > > > in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to 
> > > > > > > radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
> > > > > > > built."
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone 
> > > > > > > hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on 
> > > > > > > their part for all the trouble they have caused.
> > > > > > > -Buck
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > A Hurt Community.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going 
> > > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome 
> > > > > > > > tallies and
> > > > > > > > will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at 
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > margins to come back to the Domes.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[seekliberation]

Maharishi University of Management was founded in 1971 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
to fulfill the highest ideals of education.

seekliberation

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at 
> more than 250 independent universities and research institutes in 
> thirty-three countries have shown that the practice of transcending benefits 
> all areas of individual life—mind, body, behavior, and society.
> 
> > 
> >  )..this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of
> > practitioners of the Transcending Meditation program—as few as 1% of a
> > population—create a positive influence on society reducing crime, accidents 
> > and other negative trends. This overall increase of positivity in societal 
> > trends arises from the increasing purity in collective consciousness of the 
> > entire population created by hundreds of individuals experiencing the pure 
> > silence and peace of Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first 
> > discovered by
> > scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi 
> > who had predicted it more than a decade earlier.
> > The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established a new 
> > formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful society, free from crime and 
> > problems.
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the Invincible 
> > > America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators in Fairfield will bring 
> > > security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in 
> > > the world.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers Cliff 
> > > > in the Domes. 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly 
> > > > > work today [2013]:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > > > 
> > > > > "First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded 
> > > > > from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program 
> > > > > there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that 
> > > > > if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned 
> > > > > from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again 
> > > > > judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their 
> > > > > private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. 
> > > > > Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, 
> > > > > and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which 
> > > > > the domes were built.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Jai Guru Dev,
> > > > > 
> > > > > The Department of the Development of Consciousness"
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded 
> > > > > > from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program 
> > > > > > there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that 
> > > > > > if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have 
> > > > > > learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to 
> > > > > > never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do 
> > > > > > with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the 
> > > > > > right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of 
> > > > > > love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and 
> > > > > > coherence for which the domes were built."
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone 
> > > > > > hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their 
> > > > > > part for all the trouble they have caused.
> > > > > > -Buck
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > A Hurt Community.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to 
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies 
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the
> > > > > > > margins to come back to the Domes.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people 
> > > > > > > is that
> > > > > > > the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) 
> > > > > > > have to
> > > > > > > prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate.  
> > > > > > > It's a
> > > > > > > strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement
> > > > > > > meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are 
> > > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

Over 600 scientific research studies conducted during the past 35 years at more 
than 250 independent universities and research institutes in thirty-three 
countries have shown that the practice of transcending benefits all areas of 
individual life—mind, body, behavior, and society.

> 
>  )..this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of
> practitioners of the Transcending Meditation program—as few as 1% of a
> population—create a positive influence on society reducing crime, accidents 
> and other negative trends. This overall increase of positivity in societal 
> trends arises from the increasing purity in collective consciousness of the 
> entire population created by hundreds of individuals experiencing the pure 
> silence and peace of Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first 
> discovered by
> scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi who 
> had predicted it more than a decade earlier.
> The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established a new 
> formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful society, free from crime and 
> problems.
> 
> 
> > 
> > The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the Invincible 
> > America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators in Fairfield will bring 
> > security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the 
> > world.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers Cliff in 
> > > the Domes. 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work 
> > > > today [2013]:
> > > > 
> > > > Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > > 
> > > > "First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded 
> > > > from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. 
> > > > We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are 
> > > > in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from 
> > > > Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge 
> > > > or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private 
> > > > life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us 
> > > > all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin 
> > > > once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
> > > > built.
> > > > 
> > > > Jai Guru Dev,
> > > > 
> > > > The Department of the Development of Consciousness"
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > > > 
> > > > > First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded 
> > > > > from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program 
> > > > > there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that 
> > > > > if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned 
> > > > > from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again 
> > > > > judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their 
> > > > > private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. 
> > > > > Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, 
> > > > > and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which 
> > > > > the domes were built."
> > > > > 
> > > > > It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone 
> > > > > hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their 
> > > > > part for all the trouble they have caused.
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > A Hurt Community.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be
> > > > > > short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies 
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the
> > > > > > margins to come back to the Domes.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is 
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have 
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate.  
> > > > > > It's a
> > > > > > strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement
> > > > > > meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are 
> > > > > > feeling
> > > > > > they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes 
> > > > > > apparent
> > > > > > that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it 
> > > > > > is.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local
> > > > > > musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one perform

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

 )..this research is compelling evidence that even a small group of
practitioners of the Transcending Meditation program—as few as 1% of a
population—create a positive influence on society reducing crime, accidents and 
other negative trends. This overall increase of positivity in societal trends 
arises from the increasing purity in collective consciousness of the entire 
population created by hundreds of individuals experiencing the pure silence and 
peace of Transcendental Consciousness. This phenomenon, first discovered by
scientists in 1974, was named the Maharishi Effect in honor of Maharishi who 
had predicted it more than a decade earlier.
The discovery of the Maharishi Effect by modern science established a new 
formula for the creation of an ideal peaceful society, free from crime and 
problems.


> 
> The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the Invincible 
> America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators in Fairfield will bring 
> security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the 
> world.
> 
> > 
> > Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers Cliff in 
> > the Domes. 
> > 
> > > 
> > > This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work 
> > > today [2013]:
> > > 
> > > Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > 
> > > "First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from 
> > > the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We 
> > > would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in 
> > > the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – 
> > > no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude 
> > > anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess 
> > > neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together 
> > > again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate 
> > > the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built.
> > > 
> > > Jai Guru Dev,
> > > 
> > > The Department of the Development of Consciousness"
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > "Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > > 
> > > > First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded 
> > > > from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. 
> > > > We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are 
> > > > in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from 
> > > > Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge 
> > > > or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private 
> > > > life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us 
> > > > all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin 
> > > > once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
> > > > built."
> > > > 
> > > > It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone 
> > > > hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part 
> > > > for all the trouble they have caused.
> > > > -Buck
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > > > > 
> > > > > A Hurt Community.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be
> > > > > short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and
> > > > > will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the
> > > > > margins to come back to the Domes.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is 
> > > > > that
> > > > > the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to
> > > > > prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate.  
> > > > > It's a
> > > > > strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement
> > > > > meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are 
> > > > > feeling
> > > > > they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes 
> > > > > apparent
> > > > > that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local
> > > > > musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer 
> > > > > did
> > > > > a R & B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like "I
> > > > > ain't going to go to the Dome no more". Apparently it was really
> > > > > well done as a send up of the situation here.  About 2/3's of the 
> > > > > crowd
> > > > > applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their
> > > > > hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community,
> > > > > that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the
> > > > > organizational TM movement as t

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the Invincible America 
Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 meditators in Fairfield will bring security to 
America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world.

> 
> Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers Cliff in the 
> Domes. 
> 
> > 
> > This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work 
> > today [2013]:
> > 
> > Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > 
> > "First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from 
> > the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would 
> > like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, 
> > you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no 
> > less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what 
> > they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the 
> > wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit 
> > of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and 
> > coherence for which the domes were built.
> > 
> > Jai Guru Dev,
> > 
> > The Department of the Development of Consciousness"
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7
> > 
> > > 
> > > "Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > 
> > > First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from 
> > > the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We 
> > > would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in 
> > > the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – 
> > > no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude 
> > > anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess 
> > > neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together 
> > > again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate 
> > > the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built."
> > > 
> > > It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage 
> > > a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all 
> > > the trouble they have caused.
> > > -Buck
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > > > 
> > > > A Hurt Community.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be
> > > > short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and
> > > > will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the
> > > > margins to come back to the Domes.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that
> > > > the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to
> > > > prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate.  It's a
> > > > strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement
> > > > meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling
> > > > they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent
> > > > that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local
> > > > musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did
> > > > a R & B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like "I
> > > > ain't going to go to the Dome no more". Apparently it was really
> > > > well done as a send up of the situation here.  About 2/3's of the crowd
> > > > applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their
> > > > hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community,
> > > > that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the
> > > > organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help
> > > > out with the numbers.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM
> > > > movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around
> > > > Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then
> > > > observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove
> > > > herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and
> > > > attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right
> > > > there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate
> > > > in the Dome.   She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who
> > > > was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about
> > > > how it has gone though is bad and defended.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same
> > > > way about going back who had dropped pursuing their applications any
> > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers Cliff in the 
Domes. 

> 
> This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work today 
> [2013]:
> 
> Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> 
> "First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
> domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like 
> to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you 
> promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. 
> In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may 
> choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the 
> right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and 
> acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for 
> which the domes were built.
> 
> Jai Guru Dev,
> 
> The Department of the Development of Consciousness"
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7
> 
> > 
> > "Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > 
> > First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from 
> > the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would 
> > like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, 
> > you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no 
> > less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what 
> > they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the 
> > wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit 
> > of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and 
> > coherence for which the domes were built."
> > 
> > It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a 
> > face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the 
> > trouble they have caused.
> > -Buck
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > > 
> > > A Hurt Community.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be
> > > short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and
> > > will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the
> > > margins to come back to the Domes.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that
> > > the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to
> > > prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate.  It's a
> > > strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement
> > > meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling
> > > they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent
> > > that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local
> > > musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did
> > > a R & B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like "I
> > > ain't going to go to the Dome no more". Apparently it was really
> > > well done as a send up of the situation here.  About 2/3's of the crowd
> > > applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their
> > > hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community,
> > > that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the
> > > organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help
> > > out with the numbers.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM
> > > movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around
> > > Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then
> > > observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove
> > > herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and
> > > attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right
> > > there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate
> > > in the Dome.   She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who
> > > was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about
> > > how it has gone though is bad and defended.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same
> > > way about going back who had dropped pursuing their applications any
> > > further beyond initial interviews when they were met with questions
> > > about what was in their files and then having to come up with recommends
> > > and going to advanced lectures at the Peace Palace to prove themselves.
> > > 
> > > Reporting From the Streets, Shops and Cafes of Spiritual Fairfield,
> > > 
> > > -Buck
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Mike Dixon]

But you're expecting them to swallow their pride and admit they are/were wrong. 
Maharishi always taught that the enlightened don't do anything wrong, are 
always right and all decisions are directed by Nature. You're asking them to 
admit they aren't enlightened or in tune with the master. But then, maybe they 
are in tune with the master and maybe he wasn't as enlightened as he wanted us 
to believe. The TMO won't change. They are stagnant and becoming a sest- pool 
wrapped in self-righteousness and will die. Perhaps a new TMO will be re-born 
to a new generation.
 


 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 4:00 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
   
   
 


This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work today 
[2013]:

Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,

"First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to 
welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise 
to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, 
we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to 
do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do 
this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and 
begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
built.

Jai Guru Dev,

The Department of the Development of Consciousness"

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7

> 
> "Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> 
> First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
> domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like 
> to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you 
> promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. 
> In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may 
> choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the 
> right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and 
> acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for 
> which the domes were built." 
> 
> It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a 
> face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the 
> trouble they have caused.
> -Buck
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > 
> > A Hurt Community.
> > 
> > 
> > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be
> > short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and
> > will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the
> > margins to come back to the Domes.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that
> > the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to
> > prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate.  It's a
> > strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement
> > meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling
> > they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent
> > that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local
> > musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did
> > a R & B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like "I
> > ain't going to go to the Dome no more". Apparently it was really
> > well done as a send up of the situation here.  About 2/3's of the crowd
> > applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their
> > hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community,
> > that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the
> > organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help
> > out with the numbers.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM
> > movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around
> > Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then
> > observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove
> > herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and
> > attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Share Long]

Loving your optimism, Buck.  Happiest of New  Years to you and your family.  
Off to Dome (-:





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 6:00 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
 

  


This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work today 
[2013]:

Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,

"First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to 
welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise 
to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, 
we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to 
do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do 
this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and 
begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
built.

Jai Guru Dev,

The Department of the Development of Consciousness"

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7

> 
> "Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> 
> First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
> domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like 
> to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you 
> promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. 
> In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may 
> choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the 
> right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and 
> acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for 
> which the domes were built." 
> 
> It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a 
> face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the 
> trouble they have caused.
> -Buck
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > 
> > A Hurt Community.
> > 
> > 
> > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be
> > short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and
> > will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the
> > margins to come back to the Domes.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that
> > the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to
> > prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate.  It's a
> > strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement
> > meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling
> > they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent
> > that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local
> > musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did
> > a R & B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like "I
> > ain't going to go to the Dome no more". Apparently it was really
> > well done as a send up of the situation here.  About 2/3's of the crowd
> > applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their
> > hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community,
> > that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the
> > organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help
> > out with the numbers.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM
> > movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around
> > Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then
> > observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove
> > herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and
> > attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right
> > there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate
> > in the Dome.   She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who
> > was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about
> > how it has gone though is bad and defended.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same
> > way about going back who had dropped pursuing their appli

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

This was suggested almost 12 years ago [2001] and could certainly work today 
[2013]:

Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,

"First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to 
welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise 
to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, 
we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to 
do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do 
this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and 
begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
built.

Jai Guru Dev,

The Department of the Development of Consciousness"

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/7

> 
> "Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> 
> First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
> domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like 
> to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you 
> promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. 
> In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may 
> choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the 
> right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and 
> acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for 
> which the domes were built."
> 
> It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a 
> face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the 
> trouble they have caused.
> -Buck
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > 
> > A Hurt Community.
> > 
> > 
> > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be
> > short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and
> > will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the
> > margins to come back to the Domes.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that
> > the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to
> > prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate.  It's a
> > strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement
> > meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling
> > they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent
> > that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local
> > musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did
> > a R & B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like "I
> > ain't going to go to the Dome no more". Apparently it was really
> > well done as a send up of the situation here.  About 2/3's of the crowd
> > applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their
> > hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community,
> > that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the
> > organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help
> > out with the numbers.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM
> > movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around
> > Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then
> > observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove
> > herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and
> > attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right
> > there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate
> > in the Dome.   She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who
> > was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about
> > how it has gone though is bad and defended.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same
> > way about going back who had dropped pursuing their applications any
> > further beyond initial interviews when they were met with questions
> > about what was in their files and then having to come up with recommends
> > and going to advanced lectures at the Peace Palace to prove themselves.
> > 
> > Reporting From the Streets, Shops and Cafes of Spiritual Fairfield,
> > 
> > -Buck
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep, this thing coming with The Dome Numbers Cliff, someone is going
> > to
> > > have to show some magnanimous leadership to a hurt people to have them
> > > come back and help.  We're going to need a few hundred more old
> > movement
> > > meditators from the community here to come back and there is 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role

[Buck]

> > > >
> > > > Xeno, the model of Bevan as the supreme TM leader to follow is 
> > > > different than Hagelin's.  The general on the Western Front of the 
> > > > British army at the Somme who then again followed after the Somme at 
> > > > Ypres is the better example of Bevan.  The commonwealth general was 
> > > > committed to massive infantry frontal assault against the machine gun 
> > > > and other modern weaponry well past the time when it had been well 
> > > > proven obsolete.  That guy was pig-headed as a character trait.  He had 
> > > > all the credentials to leadership and was certainly supremely confident 
> > > > in himself, so much so that he could not see any problem with his play 
> > > > book or reason to change or do something otherwise.  It was only a 
> > > > matter of will to carry the infantry assault to the breakthrough!  On 
> > > > the opening day of the Somme the Brits took 20,000 casualties.  Within 
> > > > weeks it was 400,000.  The flower of Greater Britain.  He had all the 
> > > > credentials and that way of confidence about him.  After the Somme he 
> > > > went on and did it again at Ypres with another 250,000 casualties.  He 
> > > > got brought home as the unassailable 'hero of the Somme'.  Little 
> > > > ground, heavy casualties.  The numbers tell the story of Field Marshal 
> > > > Sir Douglas Haig sort of like the tenure of our university President 
> > > > with the movement's Dome numbers.  Like Haig our guy has certainly been 
> > > > resolute to a fault.   
> > > > -Buck   
> > > >
> > > ,snip,
> > > B.H. Liddell-Hart, a distinguished military historian who had been 
> > > wounded on the Western Front, went from admirer to skeptic to unremitting 
> > > critic. He wrote in his diary:
> > > He [Haig] was a man of supreme egoism and utter lack of scruple--who, to 
> > > his overweening ambition, sacrificed hundreds of thousands of men. A man 
> > > who betrayed even his most devoted assistants as well as the Government 
> > > which he served. A man who gained his ends by trickery of a kind that was 
> > > not merely immoral but criminal.
> > > 
> > > Om Shanti, It reads so Om similarly!
> > >
> > 
> > A Flaw of excess in Any one Virtue-
> > "This is the key to Haig's failure as a general. Every virtue becomes a 
> > flaw when pushed to excess. Daring becomes impetuosity. Prudence becomes 
> > irresolution. Will and resolution become stubbornness and pigheadedness. 
> > Haig evidently believed that will and resolve could carry any obstacle."
> > [excerpts:]
> > The indictment against Haig and his "pigheaded" insistence of fighting 
> > Third Ypres at a cost of more than 250,000 British casualties is not simply 
> > one of losses, though that would be enough. What secures Third Ypres' 
> > status as one of history's great military blunders is the fact that while 
> > Haig thought it was a victory, the battle very nearly lost the war for the 
> > Allies. 
> > 
> > Churchill dryly points out, "hopes of decisive victory…grew With every step 
> > away from the British front line and reached absolute conviction in the 
> > Intelligence Department." 
> > 
> > If there was deep mistrust between civilian and military leadership, Haig 
> > was to blame for it. Swathed in sublime self-confidence, he always promised 
> > great success and, as events unfolded, changed the definition of success. 
> > So he felt contempt for the politicians, and they for him. The politicians 
> > were in the right but didn't have the courage to act on their convictions 
> > and simply fire Haig. The compromise--letting him keep his command but 
> > denying him the reserves he needed--was the worst of many bad alternatives. 
> > 
> > Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig became the youngest major general in the 
> > army in 1904. At the outbreak of World War I, Haig helped organize the 
> > British Expeditionary Force, then took command of it."
> > 
> > A similar course to a young Bevan coming in to position by Maharishi in the 
> > 1970's as the equivalent of a TM Movement's Field Marshal from then 
> > supplanting others.  Haig is a tremendously interesting example of the 
> > 'deceived' and 'failed' in so costly leadership emerging with laurels.  In 
> > numbers and costs in war that were spectacular in a way similar like the 
> > decline of TM in the Bevan years.  So it is and ere we are with Bevan the 
> > Prime Minister now the right hand of our TM King resolute to the end.  
> > 
> >
> 
> "In Churchill's devastating judgment, Haig "wore down alike the manhood and 
> the guns of the British army almost to destruction." Keegan is also 
> merciless: "On the Somme, [Haig] had sent the flower of British youth to 
> death or mutilation; at Passchendaele he had tipped the survivors in the 
> slough of despond."
> "Of the final assault that carried the ruined, pointless little village of 
> Passchendaele, British military historian J.F.C. Fuller, wrote, "To persist…
> in this tactically impossible battl

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
>
> 
> Leadership and the Dome Numbers Cliff..
> 
> 
> So, who is responsible for the really poor community numbers in the
> Domes?
> 
> Saha Nav Hah!
> 
> http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/
> 
> 
> -Buck
>

Well, pretty clearly it is Bevan and Maharishi.  A lot of people gone. Like, 
look back at the earliest posts on FFL.  Their contending with the trust of the 
larger meditating community goes way back.  Threads going back even to the 
1980's.   Going to have to over-throw them to save the Domes.  
 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Oh, shut up, Buck. You and your emailer both.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Stop.
> > > Folks, A Stern warning given by e-mail posted on the side about this
> thread:  That our movement's 'corporate climate' does not  'entertain
> negativity', which is personally interpreted by 'Some Higher Ups' as any
> criticism or even any debate.  And any observation, (rumors included)
> other than whole compliance is viewed as obstruction.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I do believe a solution here is in leadership and with the
> following points below:
> > > >
> > > > Going forward,
> > > >
> > > > The conservatives inside who have stuck things up so bad for so
> long need to change
> > > > Four things:
> > > >
> > > > Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness, to 'mind your own business'
> > > > and then additionally, to have the courage to be Magnanimous or
> else at least get out of the way.
> > > >
> > > > With Hopeful Regard of the Difficulties of the Situation,
> > > > http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/
> > > > -Buck
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This was suggested almost 12 years ago and could certainly
> work today:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having
> excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's
> program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition
> that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have
> learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to
> never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with
> their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do
> this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance,
> and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the
> domes were built."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding
> everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on
> their part for all the trouble they have caused.
> > > > > > -Buck
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The problem also here is that these people do not dialogue.
> > > > >
> > > > > These two statements tied together though, the mission and their
> welcoming apology as a statement, are something to work off of for
> dialogue.
> > > > >
> > > > > The mission:
> > > > >
> > > > > The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and
> world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000
> Flyers in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America
> and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A Hurt Community.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are
> going to be
> > > > > > > short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome
> tallies and
> > > > > > > will probably need another couple hundred local meditators
> at the
> > > > > > > margins to come back to the Domes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview
> people is that
> > > > > > > the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should
> not) have to
> > > > > > > prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to
> meditate.  It's a
> > > > > > > strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured
> movement
> > > > > > > meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence
> are feeling
> > > > > > > they they should not have to explain themselves when it
> becomes apparent
> > > > > > > that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled.
> So it is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of
> local
> > > > > > > musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one
> performer did
> > > > > > > a R & B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something
> like "I
> > > > > > > ain't going to go to the Dome no more". Apparently it 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > Xeno, the model of Bevan as the supreme TM leader to follow is different 
> > > than Hagelin's.  The general on the Western Front of the British army at 
> > > the Somme who then again followed after the Somme at Ypres is the better 
> > > example of Bevan.  The commonwealth general was committed to massive 
> > > infantry frontal assault against the machine gun and other modern 
> > > weaponry well past the time when it had been well proven obsolete.  That 
> > > guy was pig-headed as a character trait.  He had all the credentials to 
> > > leadership and was certainly supremely confident in himself, so much so 
> > > that he could not see any problem with his play book or reason to change 
> > > or do something otherwise.  It was only a matter of will to carry the 
> > > infantry assault to the breakthrough!  On the opening day of the Somme 
> > > the Brits took 20,000 casualties.  Within weeks it was 400,000.  The 
> > > flower of Greater Britain.  He had all the credentials and that way of 
> > > confidence about him.  After the Somme he went on and did it again at 
> > > Ypres with another 250,000 casualties.  He got brought home as the 
> > > unassailable 'hero of the Somme'.  Little ground, heavy casualties.  The 
> > > numbers tell the story of Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig sort of like the 
> > > tenure of our university President with the movement's Dome numbers.  
> > > Like Haig our guy has certainly been resolute to a fault.   
> > > -Buck   
> > >
> > ,snip,
> > B.H. Liddell-Hart, a distinguished military historian who had been wounded 
> > on the Western Front, went from admirer to skeptic to unremitting critic. 
> > He wrote in his diary:
> > He [Haig] was a man of supreme egoism and utter lack of scruple--who, to 
> > his overweening ambition, sacrificed hundreds of thousands of men. A man 
> > who betrayed even his most devoted assistants as well as the Government 
> > which he served. A man who gained his ends by trickery of a kind that was 
> > not merely immoral but criminal.
> > 
> > Om Shanti, It reads so Om similarly!
> >
> 
> A Flaw of excess in Any one Virtue-
> "This is the key to Haig's failure as a general. Every virtue becomes a flaw 
> when pushed to excess. Daring becomes impetuosity. Prudence becomes 
> irresolution. Will and resolution become stubbornness and pigheadedness. Haig 
> evidently believed that will and resolve could carry any obstacle."
> [excerpts:]
> The indictment against Haig and his "pigheaded" insistence of fighting Third 
> Ypres at a cost of more than 250,000 British casualties is not simply one of 
> losses, though that would be enough. What secures Third Ypres' status as one 
> of history's great military blunders is the fact that while Haig thought it 
> was a victory, the battle very nearly lost the war for the Allies. 
> 
> Churchill dryly points out, "hopes of decisive victory…grew With every step 
> away from the British front line and reached absolute conviction in the 
> Intelligence Department." 
> 
> If there was deep mistrust between civilian and military leadership, Haig was 
> to blame for it. Swathed in sublime self-confidence, he always promised great 
> success and, as events unfolded, changed the definition of success. So he 
> felt contempt for the politicians, and they for him. The politicians were in 
> the right but didn't have the courage to act on their convictions and simply 
> fire Haig. The compromise--letting him keep his command but denying him the 
> reserves he needed--was the worst of many bad alternatives. 
> 
> Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig became the youngest major general in the army 
> in 1904. At the outbreak of World War I, Haig helped organize the British 
> Expeditionary Force, then took command of it."
> 
> A similar course to a young Bevan coming in to position by Maharishi in the 
> 1970's as the equivalent of a TM Movement's Field Marshal from then 
> supplanting others.  Haig is a tremendously interesting example of the 
> 'deceived' and 'failed' in so costly leadership emerging with laurels.  In 
> numbers and costs in war that were spectacular in a way similar like the 
> decline of TM in the Bevan years.  So it is and ere we are with Bevan the 
> Prime Minister now the right hand of our TM King resolute to the end.  
> 
>

"In Churchill's devastating judgment, Haig "wore down alike the manhood and the 
guns of the British army almost to destruction." Keegan is also merciless: "On 
the Somme, [Haig] had sent the flower of British youth to death or mutilation; 
at Passchendaele he had tipped the survivors in the slough of despond."
"Of the final assault that carried the ruined, pointless little village of 
Passchendaele, British military historian J.F.C. Fuller, wrote, "To persist…in 
this tactically impossible battle was an inexcusable piece of pigheadness on 
the part of Haig."  This is the key to Haig's failure as a 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > Xeno, the model of Bevan as the supreme TM leader to follow is different 
> > than Hagelin's.  The general on the Western Front of the British army at 
> > the Somme who then again followed after the Somme at Ypres is the better 
> > example of Bevan.  The commonwealth general was committed to massive 
> > infantry frontal assault against the machine gun and other modern weaponry 
> > well past the time when it had been well proven obsolete.  That guy was 
> > pig-headed as a character trait.  He had all the credentials to leadership 
> > and was certainly supremely confident in himself, so much so that he could 
> > not see any problem with his play book or reason to change or do something 
> > otherwise.  It was only a matter of will to carry the infantry assault to 
> > the breakthrough!  On the opening day of the Somme the Brits took 20,000 
> > casualties.  Within weeks it was 400,000.  The flower of Greater Britain.  
> > He had all the credentials and that way of confidence about him.  After the 
> > Somme he went on and did it again at Ypres with another 250,000 casualties. 
> >  He got brought home as the unassailable 'hero of the Somme'.  Little 
> > ground, heavy casualties.  The numbers tell the story of Field Marshal Sir 
> > Douglas Haig sort of like the tenure of our university President with the 
> > movement's Dome numbers.  Like Haig our guy has certainly been resolute to 
> > a fault.   
> > -Buck   
> >
> ,snip,
> B.H. Liddell-Hart, a distinguished military historian who had been wounded on 
> the Western Front, went from admirer to skeptic to unremitting critic. He 
> wrote in his diary:
> He [Haig] was a man of supreme egoism and utter lack of scruple--who, to his 
> overweening ambition, sacrificed hundreds of thousands of men. A man who 
> betrayed even his most devoted assistants as well as the Government which he 
> served. A man who gained his ends by trickery of a kind that was not merely 
> immoral but criminal.
> 
> Om Shanti, It reads so Om similarly!
>

A Flaw of excess in Any one Virtue-
"This is the key to Haig's failure as a general. Every virtue becomes a flaw 
when pushed to excess. Daring becomes impetuosity. Prudence becomes 
irresolution. Will and resolution become stubbornness and pigheadedness. Haig 
evidently believed that will and resolve could carry any obstacle."
[excerpts:]
The indictment against Haig and his "pigheaded" insistence of fighting Third 
Ypres at a cost of more than 250,000 British casualties is not simply one of 
losses, though that would be enough. What secures Third Ypres' status as one of 
history's great military blunders is the fact that while Haig thought it was a 
victory, the battle very nearly lost the war for the Allies. 

Churchill dryly points out, "hopes of decisive victory…grew With every step 
away from the British front line and reached absolute conviction in the 
Intelligence Department." 

If there was deep mistrust between civilian and military leadership, Haig was 
to blame for it. Swathed in sublime self-confidence, he always promised great 
success and, as events unfolded, changed the definition of success. So he felt 
contempt for the politicians, and they for him. The politicians were in the 
right but didn't have the courage to act on their convictions and simply fire 
Haig. The compromise--letting him keep his command but denying him the reserves 
he needed--was the worst of many bad alternatives. 

Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig became the youngest major general in the army in 
1904. At the outbreak of World War I, Haig helped organize the British 
Expeditionary Force, then took command of it."

A similar course to a young Bevan coming in to position by Maharishi in the 
1970's as the equivalent of a TM Movement's Field Marshal from then supplanting 
others.  Haig is a tremendously interesting example of 'deceived' and 'failed' 
in so costly leadership emerging with laurels.  In numbers and costs in war 
that were spectacular in a way similar like the decline of TM in the Bevan 
years.  So it is and ere we are with Bevan the Prime Minister the right hand of 
our TM King resolute to the end.  


  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Authfriend and Rick Archer are right here about Hagelin.  Hagelin is in 
> > > > it for the long haul and a tantamount leader of meditators everywhere.  
> > > > He is larger than life and among us.  He is extremely sharp witted, 
> > > > funny, he listens, is methodical, and does not suffer fools.  He has 
> > > > been incredibly productive in re-mapping the teaching movement 
> > > > strategically from even before Maharishi died.  You guys who are not 
> > > > here do not see him but he walks among us and is our wise and careful 
> > > > leader in this.  He is not in a position to rule by decree a

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
>
> Xeno, the model of Bevan as the supreme TM leader to follow is different than 
> Hagelin's.  The general on the Western Front of the British army at the Somme 
> who then again followed after the Somme at Ypres is the better example of 
> Bevan.  The commonwealth general was committed to massive infantry frontal 
> assault against the machine gun and other modern weaponry well past the time 
> when it had been well proven obsolete.  That guy was pig-headed as a 
> character trait.  He had all the credentials to leadership and was certainly 
> supremely confident in himself, so much so that he could not see any problem 
> with his play book or reason to change or do something otherwise.  It was 
> only a matter of will to carry the infantry assault to the breakthrough!  On 
> the opening day of the Somme the Brits took 20,000 casualties.  Within weeks 
> it was 400,000.  The flower of Greater Britain.  He had all the credentials 
> and that way of confidence about him.  After the Somme he went on and did it 
> again at Ypres with another 250,000 casualties.  He got brought home as the 
> unassailable 'hero of the Somme'.  Little ground, heavy casualties.  The 
> numbers tell the story of Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig sort of like the 
> tenure of our university President with the movement's Dome numbers.  Like 
> Haig our guy has certainly been resolute to a fault.   
> -Buck   
>
,snip,
B.H. Liddell-Hart, a distinguished military historian who had been wounded on 
the Western Front, went from admirer to skeptic to unremitting critic. He wrote 
in his diary:
He [Haig] was a man of supreme egoism and utter lack of scruple--who, to his 
overweening ambition, sacrificed hundreds of thousands of men. A man who 
betrayed even his most devoted assistants as well as the Government which he 
served. A man who gained his ends by trickery of a kind that was not merely 
immoral but criminal.

Om Shanti, It reads so Om similarly!
 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Authfriend and Rick Archer are right here about Hagelin.  Hagelin is in 
> > > it for the long haul and a tantamount leader of meditators everywhere.  
> > > He is larger than life and among us.  He is extremely sharp witted, 
> > > funny, he listens, is methodical, and does not suffer fools.  He has been 
> > > incredibly productive in re-mapping the teaching movement strategically 
> > > from even before Maharishi died.  You guys who are not here do not see 
> > > him but he walks among us and is our wise and careful leader in this.  He 
> > > is not in a position to rule by decree as there is a junta to bring along 
> > > including Bevan and some other Rajas of varying merit.  Hagelin is a 
> > > leader in a way Bevan will probably never be of the larger meditating 
> > > movement because Bevan carries the weight of so much bad in his wake.  It 
> > > is just the way it is and Bevan has earned his own merit in this.  
> > > Hagelin is interesting because he has emerged with his reputation in 
> > > tact.  Part figurehead but in action it is Hagelin more than anyone else 
> > > who has resuscitated and kept the old TM teaching movement in tact and 
> > > put it on the move again.  He demonstrates a kind of endurance that he 
> > > also demands of his people with him.  Here at home or on the trail he is 
> > > present, visible to us, and tireless.  This is the guy who is in fact 
> > > rallying things, skillfully directing battle, and looked to.  This is not 
> > > Bevan hold up in some mansion.  Hagelin is a guy who commands respect by 
> > > not demanding it.  And look at the people around him likewise.  He grants 
> > > a same direct access from all grades and makes his decisions.  Tireless 
> > > yet by his willing sharing the general lot of his people Hagelin 
> > > engenders admiration as well as loyalty.  He obviously enjoys being 
> > > alongside in the old meditating community with good barbs and dialect.  
> > > However in the work of the movement he certainly imposes authority as if 
> > > the Unified Field itself had descended to earth in the form of this 
> > > common meditator and physicist.
> > > I swear my allegiance,
> > > -Buck in the Dome
> > 
> > I have been enjoying your reports Buck. John's speaking style I have always 
> > found lackluster, kind of sing-song. He is a really bright guy. I am not so 
> > familiar with what he does with the Fairfield community now. I did know him 
> > a little bit, long ago, and remember mostly the fiery Margaret fuming over 
> > him while he mostly ignored her as he typed away on a computer.
> > 
> > I think some acting lessons might help his speaking image.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

Xeno, the model of Bevan as the supreme TM leader to follow is different than 
Hagelin's.  The general on the Western Front of the British army at the Somme 
who then again followed after the Somme at Ypres is the better example of 
Bevan.  The commonwealth general was committed to massive infantry frontal 
assault against the machine gun and other modern weaponry well past the time 
when it had been well proven obsolete.  That guy was pig-headed as a character 
trait.  He had all the credentials to leadership and was certainly supremely 
confident in himself, so much so that he could not see any problem with his 
play book or reason to change or do something otherwise.  It was only a matter 
of will to carry the infantry assault to the breakthrough!  On the opening day 
of the Somme the Brits took 20,000 casualties.  Within weeks it was 400,000.  
The flower of Greater Britain.  He had all the credentials and that way of 
confidence about him.  After the Somme he went on and did it again at Ypres 
with another 250,000 casualties.  He got brought home as the unassailable 'hero 
of the Somme'.  Little ground, heavy casualties.  The numbers tell the story of 
Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig sort of like the tenure of our university 
President with the movement's Dome numbers.  Like Haig our guy has certainly 
been resolute to a fault.   
-Buck   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> 
> > Authfriend and Rick Archer are right here about Hagelin.  Hagelin is in it 
> > for the long haul and a tantamount leader of meditators everywhere.  He is 
> > larger than life and among us.  He is extremely sharp witted, funny, he 
> > listens, is methodical, and does not suffer fools.  He has been incredibly 
> > productive in re-mapping the teaching movement strategically from even 
> > before Maharishi died.  You guys who are not here do not see him but he 
> > walks among us and is our wise and careful leader in this.  He is not in a 
> > position to rule by decree as there is a junta to bring along including 
> > Bevan and some other Rajas of varying merit.  Hagelin is a leader in a way 
> > Bevan will probably never be of the larger meditating movement because 
> > Bevan carries the weight of so much bad in his wake.  It is just the way it 
> > is and Bevan has earned his own merit in this.  Hagelin is interesting 
> > because he has emerged with his reputation in tact.  Part figurehead but in 
> > action it is Hagelin more than anyone else who has resuscitated and kept 
> > the old TM teaching movement in tact and put it on the move again.  He 
> > demonstrates a kind of endurance that he also demands of his people with 
> > him.  Here at home or on the trail he is present, visible to us, and 
> > tireless.  This is the guy who is in fact rallying things, skillfully 
> > directing battle, and looked to.  This is not Bevan hold up in some 
> > mansion.  Hagelin is a guy who commands respect by not demanding it.  And 
> > look at the people around him likewise.  He grants a same direct access 
> > from all grades and makes his decisions.  Tireless yet by his willing 
> > sharing the general lot of his people Hagelin engenders admiration as well 
> > as loyalty.  He obviously enjoys being alongside in the old meditating 
> > community with good barbs and dialect.  However in the work of the movement 
> > he certainly imposes authority as if the Unified Field itself had descended 
> > to earth in the form of this common meditator and physicist.
> > I swear my allegiance,
> > -Buck in the Dome
> 
> I have been enjoying your reports Buck. John's speaking style I have always 
> found lackluster, kind of sing-song. He is a really bright guy. I am not so 
> familiar with what he does with the Fairfield community now. I did know him a 
> little bit, long ago, and remember mostly the fiery Margaret fuming over him 
> while he mostly ignored her as he typed away on a computer.
> 
> I think some acting lessons might help his speaking image.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

Leadership and the Dome Numbers Cliff..




So, who is responsible for the really poor community numbers in the
Domes?

Saha Nav Hah!

http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/


-Buck


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> Oh, shut up, Buck. You and your emailer both.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Stop.
> > Folks, A Stern warning given by e-mail posted on the side about this
thread:  That our movement's 'corporate climate' does not  'entertain
negativity', which is personally interpreted by 'Some Higher Ups' as any
criticism or even any debate.  And any observation, (rumors included)
other than whole compliance is viewed as obstruction.
> >
> > >
> > > I do believe a solution here is in leadership and with the
following points below:
> > >
> > > Going forward,
> > >
> > > The conservatives inside who have stuck things up so bad for so
long need to change
> > > Four things:
> > >
> > > Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness, to 'mind your own business'
> > > and then additionally, to have the courage to be Magnanimous or
else at least get out of the way.
> > >
> > > With Hopeful Regard of the Difficulties of the Situation,
> > > http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/
> > > -Buck
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This was suggested almost 12 years ago and could certainly
work today:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > > >
> > > > > First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having
excluded from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's
program there. We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition
that if you are in the dome, you promise to practice what you have
learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to
never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with
their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do
this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance,
and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the
domes were built."
> > > > >
> > > > > This could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding
everyone hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on
their part for all the trouble they have caused.
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > The problem also here is that these people do not dialogue.
> > > >
> > > > These two statements tied together though, the mission and their
welcoming apology as a statement, are something to work off of for
dialogue.
> > > >
> > > > The mission:
> > > >
> > > > The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and
world peace is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000
Flyers in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America
and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world.
> > > >
> > > > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A Hurt Community.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are
going to be
> > > > > > short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome
tallies and
> > > > > > will probably need another couple hundred local meditators
at the
> > > > > > margins to come back to the Domes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview
people is that
> > > > > > the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should
not) have to
> > > > > > prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to
meditate.  It's a
> > > > > > strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured
movement
> > > > > > meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence
are feeling
> > > > > > they they should not have to explain themselves when it
becomes apparent
> > > > > > that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled.
So it is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of
local
> > > > > > musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one
performer did
> > > > > > a R & B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something
like "I
> > > > > > ain't going to go to the Dome no more". Apparently it was
really
> > > > > > well done as a send up of the situation here.  About 2/3's
of the crowd
> > > > > > applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat
stoically on their
> > > > > > hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating
community,
> > > > > > that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the
> > > > > > organizational TM movement as they would consider coming
back to help
> > > > > > out with the numbers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together,
an old TM
> > > > > > movement person, someone who 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Stop.  
> Folks, A Stern warning given by e-mail posted on the side about this thread:  
> That our movement's 'corporate climate' does not  'entertain negativity', 
> which is personally interpreted by 'Some Higher Ups' as any criticism or 
> even any debate.  And any observation, (rumors included) other than whole 
> compliance is viewed as obstruction. 

Welcome to George Orwell's '1984'. 
> 
> > 
> > I do believe a solution here is in leadership and with the following points 
> > below:
> > 
> > Going forward,
> > 
> > The conservatives inside who have stuck things up so bad for so long need 
> > to change 
> > Four things:
> > 
> > Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness, to 'mind your own business'
> > and then additionally, to have the courage to be Magnanimous or else at 
> > least get out of the way.
> > 
> > With Hopeful Regard of the Difficulties of the Situation,
> > http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/
> > -Buck
> > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > This was suggested almost 12 years ago and could certainly work today:
> > > > 
> > > > "Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > > 
> > > > First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded 
> > > > from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. 
> > > > We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are 
> > > > in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from 
> > > > Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge 
> > > > or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private 
> > > > life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us 
> > > > all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin 
> > > > once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
> > > > built."
> > > > 
> > > > This could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone 
> > > > hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part 
> > > > for all the trouble they have caused.
> > > > -Buck
> > > >
> > > 
> > > The problem also here is that these people do not dialogue.
> > > 
> > > These two statements tied together though, the mission and their 
> > > welcoming apology as a statement, are something to work off of for 
> > > dialogue.
> > > 
> > > The mission:
> > > 
> > > The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace 
> > > is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers in 
> > > Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse 
> > > the precarious escalation of conflict in the world.
> > > 
> > > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies/
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > > > > 
> > > > > A Hurt Community.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be
> > > > > short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and
> > > > > will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the
> > > > > margins to come back to the Domes.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is 
> > > > > that
> > > > > the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to
> > > > > prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate.  
> > > > > It's a
> > > > > strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement
> > > > > meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are 
> > > > > feeling
> > > > > they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes 
> > > > > apparent
> > > > > that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local
> > > > > musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer 
> > > > > did
> > > > > a R & B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like "I
> > > > > ain't going to go to the Dome no more". Apparently it was really
> > > > > well done as a send up of the situation here.  About 2/3's of the 
> > > > > crowd
> > > > > applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their
> > > > > hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community,
> > > > > that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the
> > > > > organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help
> > > > > out with the numbers.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM
> > > > > movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around
> > > > > Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then
> > > > > observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to 
> > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[authfriend]

Oh, shut up, Buck. You and your emailer both.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Stop.  
> Folks, A Stern warning given by e-mail posted on the side about this thread:  
> That our movement's 'corporate climate' does not  'entertain negativity', 
> which is personally interpreted by 'Some Higher Ups' as any criticism or 
> even any debate.  And any observation, (rumors included) other than whole 
> compliance is viewed as obstruction.  
> 
> > 
> > I do believe a solution here is in leadership and with the following points 
> > below:
> > 
> > Going forward,
> > 
> > The conservatives inside who have stuck things up so bad for so long need 
> > to change 
> > Four things:
> > 
> > Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness, to 'mind your own business'
> > and then additionally, to have the courage to be Magnanimous or else at 
> > least get out of the way.
> > 
> > With Hopeful Regard of the Difficulties of the Situation,
> > http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/
> > -Buck
> > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > This was suggested almost 12 years ago and could certainly work today:
> > > > 
> > > > "Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > > 
> > > > First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded 
> > > > from the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. 
> > > > We would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are 
> > > > in the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from 
> > > > Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge 
> > > > or exclude anyone for what they may choose to do with their private 
> > > > life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us 
> > > > all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin 
> > > > once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
> > > > built."
> > > > 
> > > > This could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone 
> > > > hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part 
> > > > for all the trouble they have caused.
> > > > -Buck
> > > >
> > > 
> > > The problem also here is that these people do not dialogue.
> > > 
> > > These two statements tied together though, the mission and their 
> > > welcoming apology as a statement, are something to work off of for 
> > > dialogue.
> > > 
> > > The mission:
> > > 
> > > The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace 
> > > is to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers in 
> > > Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse 
> > > the precarious escalation of conflict in the world.
> > > 
> > > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies/
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > > > > 
> > > > > A Hurt Community.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be
> > > > > short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and
> > > > > will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the
> > > > > margins to come back to the Domes.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is 
> > > > > that
> > > > > the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to
> > > > > prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate.  
> > > > > It's a
> > > > > strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement
> > > > > meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are 
> > > > > feeling
> > > > > they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes 
> > > > > apparent
> > > > > that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local
> > > > > musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer 
> > > > > did
> > > > > a R & B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like "I
> > > > > ain't going to go to the Dome no more". Apparently it was really
> > > > > well done as a send up of the situation here.  About 2/3's of the 
> > > > > crowd
> > > > > applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their
> > > > > hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community,
> > > > > that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the
> > > > > organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help
> > > > > out with the numbers.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM
> > > > > movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around
> > > > > Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then
> > > > > observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

Stop.  
Folks, A Stern warning given by e-mail posted on the side about this thread:  
That our movement's 'corporate climate' does not  'entertain negativity', which 
is personally interpreted by 'Some Higher Ups' as any criticism or even any 
debate.  And any observation, (rumors included) other than whole compliance is 
viewed as obstruction.  

> 
> I do believe a solution here is in leadership and with the following points 
> below:
> 
> Going forward,
> 
> The conservatives inside who have stuck things up so bad for so long need to 
> change 
> Four things:
> 
> Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness, to 'mind your own business'
> and then additionally, to have the courage to be Magnanimous or else at least 
> get out of the way.
> 
> With Hopeful Regard of the Difficulties of the Situation,
> http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/
> -Buck
> 
> > 
> > >
> > > This was suggested almost 12 years ago and could certainly work today:
> > > 
> > > "Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > > 
> > > First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from 
> > > the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We 
> > > would like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in 
> > > the dome, you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – 
> > > no more, no less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude 
> > > anyone for what they may choose to do with their private life. We possess 
> > > neither the wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together 
> > > again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate 
> > > the harmony and coherence for which the domes were built."
> > > 
> > > This could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone 
> > > hostage a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part 
> > > for all the trouble they have caused.
> > > -Buck
> > >
> > 
> > The problem also here is that these people do not dialogue.
> > 
> > These two statements tied together though, the mission and their welcoming 
> > apology as a statement, are something to work off of for dialogue.
> > 
> > The mission:
> > 
> > The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is 
> > to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers in 
> > Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse 
> > the precarious escalation of conflict in the world.
> > 
> > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies/
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > > > 
> > > > A Hurt Community.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be
> > > > short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and
> > > > will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the
> > > > margins to come back to the Domes.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that
> > > > the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to
> > > > prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate.  It's a
> > > > strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement
> > > > meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling
> > > > they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent
> > > > that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local
> > > > musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did
> > > > a R & B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like "I
> > > > ain't going to go to the Dome no more". Apparently it was really
> > > > well done as a send up of the situation here.  About 2/3's of the crowd
> > > > applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their
> > > > hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community,
> > > > that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the
> > > > organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help
> > > > out with the numbers.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM
> > > > movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around
> > > > Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then
> > > > observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove
> > > > herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and
> > > > attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right
> > > > there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate
> > > > in the Dome.   She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who
> > > > was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:

> Authfriend and Rick Archer are right here about Hagelin.  Hagelin is in it 
> for the long haul and a tantamount leader of meditators everywhere.  He is 
> larger than life and among us.  He is extremely sharp witted, funny, he 
> listens, is methodical, and does not suffer fools.  He has been incredibly 
> productive in re-mapping the teaching movement strategically from even before 
> Maharishi died.  You guys who are not here do not see him but he walks among 
> us and is our wise and careful leader in this.  He is not in a position to 
> rule by decree as there is a junta to bring along including Bevan and some 
> other Rajas of varying merit.  Hagelin is a leader in a way Bevan will 
> probably never be of the larger meditating movement because Bevan carries the 
> weight of so much bad in his wake.  It is just the way it is and Bevan has 
> earned his own merit in this.  Hagelin is interesting because he has emerged 
> with his reputation in tact.  Part figurehead but in action it is Hagelin 
> more than anyone else who has resuscitated and kept the old TM teaching 
> movement in tact and put it on the move again.  He demonstrates a kind of 
> endurance that he also demands of his people with him.  Here at home or on 
> the trail he is present, visible to us, and tireless.  This is the guy who is 
> in fact rallying things, skillfully directing battle, and looked to.  This is 
> not Bevan hold up in some mansion.  Hagelin is a guy who commands respect by 
> not demanding it.  And look at the people around him likewise.  He grants a 
> same direct access from all grades and makes his decisions.  Tireless yet by 
> his willing sharing the general lot of his people Hagelin engenders 
> admiration as well as loyalty.  He obviously enjoys being alongside in the 
> old meditating community with good barbs and dialect.  However in the work of 
> the movement he certainly imposes authority as if the Unified Field itself 
> had descended to earth in the form of this common meditator and physicist.
> I swear my allegiance,
> -Buck in the Dome

I have been enjoying your reports Buck. John's speaking style I have always 
found lackluster, kind of sing-song. He is a really bright guy. I am not so 
familiar with what he does with the Fairfield community now. I did know him a 
little bit, long ago, and remember mostly the fiery Margaret fuming over him 
while he mostly ignored her as he typed away on a computer.

I think some acting lessons might help his speaking image.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Richard J. Williams]

Buck:
>> The problem also here is that these people do not dialogue...
>
Maybe so, but that's not much different than other schools
I've attended. Most schools have restrictions on the number
of students in attendance and on the use of the school gym.
No football during basketball practice! LoL!

It's all a matter of positioning and placement: place yourself
in a position to get the knowledge and then position yourself 
for success. Do your program in your own 'zone of tranquility' 
and include your whole family. You are only going to get as
much enlightenment as you are going to get. Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

I do believe a solution here is in leadership and with the following points 
below:

Going forward,

The conservatives inside who have stuck things up so bad for so long need to 
change 
Four things:

Friendliness, Compassion, Happiness, to 'mind your own business'
and then additionally, to have the courage to be Magnanimous or else at least 
get out of the way.

With Hopeful Regard of the Difficulties of the Situation,
http://www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/
-Buck

> 
> 
> >
> > This was suggested almost 12 years ago and could certainly work today:
> > 
> > "Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> > 
> > First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from 
> > the domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would 
> > like to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, 
> > you promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no 
> > less. In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what 
> > they may choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the 
> > wisdom nor the right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit 
> > of love and acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and 
> > coherence for which the domes were built."
> > 
> > This could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage 
> > a face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the 
> > trouble they have caused.
> > -Buck
> >
> 
> The problem also here is that these people do not dialogue.
> 
> These two statements tied together though, the mission and their welcoming 
> apology as a statement, are something to work off of for dialogue.
> 
> The mission:
> 
> The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is 
> to join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers in 
> Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the 
> precarious escalation of conflict in the world.
> 
> http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies/
> 
> 
> 
>  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > > 
> > > A Hurt Community.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be
> > > short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and
> > > will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the
> > > margins to come back to the Domes.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that
> > > the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to
> > > prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate.  It's a
> > > strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement
> > > meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling
> > > they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent
> > > that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local
> > > musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did
> > > a R & B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like "I
> > > ain't going to go to the Dome no more". Apparently it was really
> > > well done as a send up of the situation here.  About 2/3's of the crowd
> > > applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their
> > > hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community,
> > > that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the
> > > organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help
> > > out with the numbers.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM
> > > movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around
> > > Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then
> > > observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove
> > > herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and
> > > attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right
> > > there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate
> > > in the Dome.   She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who
> > > was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about
> > > how it has gone though is bad and defended.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same
> > > way about going back who had dropped pursuing their applications any
> > > further beyond initial interviews when they were met with questions
> > > about what was in their files and then having to come up with recommends
> > > and going to advanced lectures at the Peace Palace to prove themselves.
> > > 
> > > Reporting From the Streets, Shops and Cafes of Spiritual Fairfield,
> > > 
> > > -Bu

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

>
> This was suggested almost 12 years ago and could certainly work today:
> 
> "Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,
> 
> First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
> domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like 
> to welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you 
> promise to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. 
> In turn, we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may 
> choose to do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the 
> right to do this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and 
> acceptance, and begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for 
> which the domes were built."
> 
> This could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a 
> face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the 
> trouble they have caused.
> -Buck
>

The problem also here is that these people do not dialogue.

These two statements tied together though, the mission and their welcoming 
apology as a statement, are something to work off of for dialogue.

The mission:

The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to 
join the Invincible America Assembly at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers in 
Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the 
precarious escalation of conflict in the world.

http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies/



 
> > 
> > 
> > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > 
> > A Hurt Community.
> > 
> > 
> > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be
> > short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and
> > will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the
> > margins to come back to the Domes.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that
> > the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to
> > prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate.  It's a
> > strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement
> > meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling
> > they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent
> > that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local
> > musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did
> > a R & B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like "I
> > ain't going to go to the Dome no more". Apparently it was really
> > well done as a send up of the situation here.  About 2/3's of the crowd
> > applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their
> > hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community,
> > that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the
> > organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help
> > out with the numbers.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM
> > movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around
> > Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then
> > observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove
> > herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and
> > attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right
> > there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate
> > in the Dome.   She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who
> > was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about
> > how it has gone though is bad and defended.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same
> > way about going back who had dropped pursuing their applications any
> > further beyond initial interviews when they were met with questions
> > about what was in their files and then having to come up with recommends
> > and going to advanced lectures at the Peace Palace to prove themselves.
> > 
> > Reporting From the Streets, Shops and Cafes of Spiritual Fairfield,
> > 
> > -Buck
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep, this thing coming with The Dome Numbers Cliff, someone is going
> > to
> > > have to show some magnanimous leadership to a hurt people to have them
> > > come back and help.  We're going to need a few hundred more old
> > movement
> > > meditators from the community here to come back and there is some deep
> > > held feeling that leadership is going to have to deal with to get
> > these
> > > numbers to come out from the meditating community here now.  My only
> > > interest in this is to see them facilitate the numbers in the Dome
> > > meditation better and if they can'

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of turquoiseb
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >  , "Rick Archer"  >  > wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll bet Hagelin could do it, if he were willing to risk 
> > > putting his neck on the chopping block. It would be a 
> > > showdown at the OK Corral between him and Bevan.
> > 
> > Don't be silly. You're still thinking TM-centric. 
> > A turnip has more charisma and audience recognition
> > in the real world than John Hagelin does. No one but
> > a TB TMer gives a shit *what* he thinks, about 
> > *anything*, or ever will. There couldn't *BE* a 
> > more quintessentially boring status quo dweeb 
> > than John Hagelin. 
> > 
> > Actually, non-TM crowds really like him. I've seen it at the 
> > Science and Non-Duality conference. Anyway, we're talking 
> > internal TMO politics.
> 
> No, Rick, THAT is exactly what I mean by being stuck in
> "TM-centric thinking." Nothing can EVER be done to affect
> change in the TM organization from within its ranks. That's
> an illusion held by New Age twifs and people like Buck.
> 
> The only times in recorded history in which the TMO has 
> *ever* responded to legitimate criticism was when it hit
> the News, big-time. THAT requires someone with considerably
> more "charisma quotient" than suit-and-tie, stick-up-his-ass,
> never-say-a-word-that-Maharishi-wouldn't-have-approved-of
> John Hagelin. The guy is a science dork, and NO ONE in the
> real world cares what the fuck he thinks or believes.
> 
> To affect the TM organization enough to make it reverse its
> existing, dictated-by-Maharishi policies, it would require
> PUBLIC humiliation and outcry. Science dweebs simply can't 
> rally that kind of reaction. Never have, never will. 
> 
> I stick with my choices of Oprah, David Lynch, or Sir Paul.
> If any of THEM ever came out against the TMO's policies,
> they might change. Hagelin, never. I'm sorry, because I
> suspect that on some levels he's a nice enough guy, but
> his whole "presentation layer" is so boring and uninter-
> esting that nothing he could *possibly* say would affect
> the direction of the TM movement in any way. Only attention
> from the general public -- which could invite attention 
> from public tax and legal authorities -- would ever cause
> them to react. 
> 
> The TMO is the spiritual equivalent of the Republican Party.
> They will continue to bask in their delusions of grandeur
> LONG past these delusions' expiration date, unless something
> or someone forces them to do otherwise. John Hagelin simply
> doesn't have the phwam! to be that person.
>

Authfriend and Rick Archer are right here about Hagelin.  Hagelin is in it for 
the long haul and a tantamount leader of meditators everywhere.  He is larger 
than life and among us.  He is extremely sharp witted, funny, he listens, is 
methodical, and does not suffer fools.  He has been incredibly productive in 
re-mapping the teaching movement strategically from even before Maharishi died. 
 You guys who are not here do not see him but he walks among us and is our wise 
and careful leader in this.  He is not in a position to rule by decree as there 
is a junta to bring along including Bevan and some other Rajas of varying 
merit.  Hagelin is a leader in a way Bevan will probably never be of the larger 
meditating movement because Bevan carries the weight of so much bad in his 
wake.  It is just the way it is and Bevan has earned his own merit in this.  
Hagelin is interesting because he has emerged with his reputation in tact.  
Part figurehead but in action it is Hagelin more than anyone else who has 
resuscitated and kept the old TM teaching movement in tact and put it on the 
move again.  He demonstrates a kind of endurance that he also demands of his 
people with him.  Here at home or on the trail he is present, visible to us, 
and tireless.  This is the guy who is in fact rallying things, skillfully 
directing battle, and looked to.  This is not Bevan hold up in some mansion.  
Hagelin is a guy who commands respect by not demanding it.  And look at the 
people around him likewise.  He grants a same direct access from all grades and 
makes his decisions.  Tireless yet by his willing sharing the general lot of 
his people Hagelin engenders admiration as well as loyalty.  He obviously 
enjoys being alongside in the old meditating community with good barbs and 
dialect.  However in the work of the movement he certainly imposes authority as 
if the Unified Field itself had descended to earth in the form of this common 
meditator and physicist.
I swear my allegiance,
-Buck in the Dome

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Bhairitu]

On 12/20/2012 11:50 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of turquoiseb
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 12:46 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
>
>   
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer"  <mailto:rick@...> > wrote:
>> I'll bet Hagelin could do it, if he were willing to risk
>> putting his neck on the chopping block. It would be a
>> showdown at the OK Corral between him and Bevan.
> Don't be silly. You're still thinking TM-centric.
> A turnip has more charisma and audience recognition
> in the real world than John Hagelin does. No one but
> a TB TMer gives a shit *what* he thinks, about
> *anything*, or ever will. There couldn't *BE* a
> more quintessentially boring status quo dweeb
> than John Hagelin.
>
> Actually, non-TM crowds really like him. I've seen it at the Science and
> Non-Duality conference. Anyway, we're talking internal TMO politics.
>
>

That's still a "very narrow" community.  That's not mass market.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of turquoiseb
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "Rick Archer"   > wrote:
> >
> > I'll bet Hagelin could do it, if he were willing to risk 
> > putting his neck on the chopping block. It would be a 
> > showdown at the OK Corral between him and Bevan.
> 
> Don't be silly. You're still thinking TM-centric. 
> A turnip has more charisma and audience recognition
> in the real world than John Hagelin does. No one but
> a TB TMer gives a shit *what* he thinks, about 
> *anything*, or ever will. There couldn't *BE* a 
> more quintessentially boring status quo dweeb 
> than John Hagelin. 
> 
> Actually, non-TM crowds really like him. I've seen it at the 
> Science and Non-Duality conference. Anyway, we're talking 
> internal TMO politics.

No, Rick, THAT is exactly what I mean by being stuck in
"TM-centric thinking." Nothing can EVER be done to affect
change in the TM organization from within its ranks. That's
an illusion held by New Age twifs and people like Buck.

The only times in recorded history in which the TMO has 
*ever* responded to legitimate criticism was when it hit
the News, big-time. THAT requires someone with considerably
more "charisma quotient" than suit-and-tie, stick-up-his-ass,
never-say-a-word-that-Maharishi-wouldn't-have-approved-of
John Hagelin. The guy is a science dork, and NO ONE in the
real world cares what the fuck he thinks or believes.

To affect the TM organization enough to make it reverse its
existing, dictated-by-Maharishi policies, it would require
PUBLIC humiliation and outcry. Science dweebs simply can't 
rally that kind of reaction. Never have, never will. 

I stick with my choices of Oprah, David Lynch, or Sir Paul.
If any of THEM ever came out against the TMO's policies,
they might change. Hagelin, never. I'm sorry, because I
suspect that on some levels he's a nice enough guy, but
his whole "presentation layer" is so boring and uninter-
esting that nothing he could *possibly* say would affect
the direction of the TM movement in any way. Only attention
from the general public -- which could invite attention 
from public tax and legal authorities -- would ever cause
them to react. 

The TMO is the spiritual equivalent of the Republican Party.
They will continue to bask in their delusions of grandeur
LONG past these delusions' expiration date, unless something
or someone forces them to do otherwise. John Hagelin simply
doesn't have the phwam! to be that person. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" rick@ wrote:
> >
> > I'll bet Hagelin could do it, if he were willing to risk
> > putting his neck on the chopping block. It would be a
> > showdown at the OK Corral between him and Bevan.
>
> Don't be silly. You're still thinking TM-centric.
> A turnip has more charisma and audience recognition
> in the real world than John Hagelin does. No one but
> a TB TMer gives a shit *what* he thinks, about
> *anything*, or ever will. There couldn't *BE* a
> more quintessentially boring status quo dweeb
> than John Hagelin.

Quintessential Barry:
Negative
Bitter
Angry
Disappointed
Uncreative
Unimaginative
Vitriolic
Predictable

If I could have one wish with regard to Barry I would love him to
surprise me.  But to do that he would have to get happier and I just
don't know how that could happen. It is, however, Christmas and maybe
something wondrous will emerge for him. In the meantime, Jingle Bells
All The Way!

>
>
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of turquoiseb
> > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:50 AM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >  , "Rick Archer" > >  > wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe there needs to be a "tipping point" with the course office,
> > > as there now appears to be with the NRA, or as there was in the
> > > 50's with Senator Joseph McCarthy, in which the office is shamed
> > > into irrelevancy and powerlessness, and forced to shut down.
> >
> > An interesting idea, and a hopeful one, but as I seem
> > to remember it, the "tipping point" with Joe McCarthy
> > was really precipitated by "the most trusted man in
> > America" taking him on, at peril to his own career and
> > reputation. That was, of course, Edward R. Murrow,
> > arguably the best "newsman" America has ever had.
> >
> > Who might such a person be within the TMO? What would
> > happen, for example, if poster boy David Lynch lined
> > up with the people being declared Off The Program, and
> > thus anathema, and "banned from the domes?" Or Oprah?
> > Or Paul McCartney?
> >
> > If you need to inspire yourself with what one man (or
> > woman) can do if suitably ethical and suitably motivated,
> > I heartily recommend a viewing or re-viewing of the film
> > written and directed by George Clooney, "Good Night, and
> > Good Luck." In it you get to see the face of evil himself,
> > Joseph McCarthy, as he really looked and acted in newsreel
> > footage, and David Strathairn as the voice and face of
> > Murrow, bringing a great actor's "take" to the actual
> > text of Murrow's news broadcasts. The movie touched me
> > deeply, and made me get all teary from time to time,
> > seeing what "the TV News" *used to be*, compared with
> > what it is now.
> >
> > One person -- if they are visible enough and respected
> > enough -- really CAN change things. Why I bring this up
> > is that although ideas themselves are suitable motivators
> > for many people, I don't think that the larger community
> > of TM practitioners -- having been trained for so many
> > decades to be personality worshipers -- are at this point
> > able to react to mere ideas. They need a "spokesperson,"
> > a charismatic person to whom they can switch their
> > allegiance and then follow. Just my opinion...
> >
> > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > On Behalf Of Buck
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:42 AM
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Hurt Community
> > >
> > > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > >
> > > A Hurt Community.
> > >
> > > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to
be short
> > of
> > > a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will
probably
> > > need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to
come back
> > to
> > > the Domes.
> > >
> > > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people
is that
> > the
> > > old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to
prove
> > > anything to the course to get back in to Dome to medita

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of turquoiseb
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 12:46 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

 

  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer" mailto:rick@...> > wrote:
>
> I'll bet Hagelin could do it, if he were willing to risk 
> putting his neck on the chopping block. It would be a 
> showdown at the OK Corral between him and Bevan.

Don't be silly. You're still thinking TM-centric. 
A turnip has more charisma and audience recognition
in the real world than John Hagelin does. No one but
a TB TMer gives a shit *what* he thinks, about 
*anything*, or ever will. There couldn't *BE* a 
more quintessentially boring status quo dweeb 
than John Hagelin. 

Actually, non-TM crowds really like him. I've seen it at the Science and
Non-Duality conference. Anyway, we're talking internal TMO politics.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > I'll bet Hagelin could do it, if he were willing to risk 
> > putting his neck on the chopping block. It would be a 
> > showdown at the OK Corral between him and Bevan.
> 
> Don't be silly. You're still thinking TM-centric. 
> A turnip has more charisma and audience recognition
> in the real world than John Hagelin does. No one but
> a TB TMer gives a shit *what* he thinks, about 
> *anything*, or ever will.

Er, Barry, it's the TB TMers Hagelin would be rallying,
not the "real world." Did you lose track of the conversation
somewhere again? You've been doing that a *lot* lately.





 There couldn't *BE* a 
> more quintessentially boring status quo dweeb 
> than John Hagelin. 
> 
> 
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of turquoiseb
> > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:50 AM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer"  > <mailto:rick@> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe there needs to be a "tipping point" with the course office, 
> > > as there now appears to be with the NRA, or as there was in the 
> > > 50's with Senator Joseph McCarthy, in which the office is shamed 
> > > into irrelevancy and powerlessness, and forced to shut down.
> > 
> > An interesting idea, and a hopeful one, but as I seem
> > to remember it, the "tipping point" with Joe McCarthy
> > was really precipitated by "the most trusted man in
> > America" taking him on, at peril to his own career and
> > reputation. That was, of course, Edward R. Murrow, 
> > arguably the best "newsman" America has ever had. 
> > 
> > Who might such a person be within the TMO? What would
> > happen, for example, if poster boy David Lynch lined
> > up with the people being declared Off The Program, and
> > thus anathema, and "banned from the domes?" Or Oprah? 
> > Or Paul McCartney?
> > 
> > If you need to inspire yourself with what one man (or
> > woman) can do if suitably ethical and suitably motivated,
> > I heartily recommend a viewing or re-viewing of the film
> > written and directed by George Clooney, "Good Night, and
> > Good Luck." In it you get to see the face of evil himself,
> > Joseph McCarthy, as he really looked and acted in newsreel
> > footage, and David Strathairn as the voice and face of
> > Murrow, bringing a great actor's "take" to the actual
> > text of Murrow's news broadcasts. The movie touched me
> > deeply, and made me get all teary from time to time,
> > seeing what "the TV News" *used to be*, compared with 
> > what it is now. 
> > 
> > One person -- if they are visible enough and respected
> > enough -- really CAN change things. Why I bring this up
> > is that although ideas themselves are suitable motivators
> > for many people, I don't think that the larger community
> > of TM practitioners -- having been trained for so many
> > decades to be personality worshipers -- are at this point
> > able to react to mere ideas. They need a "spokesperson," 
> > a charismatic person to whom they can switch their
> > allegiance and then follow. Just my opinion...
> > 
> > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>  
> > > On Behalf Of Buck
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:42 AM
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> > 
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Hurt Community
> > > 
> > > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > > 
> > > A Hurt Community.
> > > 
> > > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short
> > of
> > > a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably
> > > need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back
> > to
> > > the Domes. 
> > > 
> > > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that
> > the
> > > old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove
> > > anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongl

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Buck]

This was suggested almost 12 years ago and could certainly work today:

"Dear Fairfield Sidhas and Governors,

First, we would like to publicly apologize for ever having excluded from the 
domes anyone who wanted to practice Maharishi's program there. We would like to 
welcome everyone back on the condition that if you are in the dome, you promise 
to practice what you have learned from Maharishi – no more, no less. In turn, 
we promise to never again judge or exclude anyone for what they may choose to 
do with their private life. We possess neither the wisdom nor the right to do 
this. Let us all come together again in a spirit of love and acceptance, and 
begin once more to radiate the harmony and coherence for which the domes were 
built."

It could also allow the TM-Taliban in the middle holding everyone hostage a 
face-saving way out appearing to be magnanimous on their part for all the 
trouble they have caused.
-Buck

> 
> 
> Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> 
> A Hurt Community.
> 
> 
> In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be
> short of a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and
> will probably need another couple hundred local meditators at the
> margins to come back to the Domes.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that
> the old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to
> prove anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate.  It's a
> strongly held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement
> meditators applying for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling
> they they should not have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent
> that the Capital has kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local
> musicians at the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did
> a R & B rag with a spirited refrain that went on something like "I
> ain't going to go to the Dome no more". Apparently it was really
> well done as a send up of the situation here.  About 2/3's of the crowd
> applauded enthusiastically and 1/3 of the crowd sat stoically on their
> hands and were not amused at all. Of the larger meditating community,
> that is about the right ratio of how people feel about the
> organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back to help
> out with the numbers.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM
> movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around
> Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then
> observed that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove
> herself to the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and
> attending advanced lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right
> there to be involved in the cult again with her application to meditate
> in the Dome.   She is a meditator here. She is someone who is here who
> was willing to be in the Dome meditating to help out. The feeling about
> how it has gone though is bad and defended.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same
> way about going back who had dropped pursuing their applications any
> further beyond initial interviews when they were met with questions
> about what was in their files and then having to come up with recommends
> and going to advanced lectures at the Peace Palace to prove themselves.
> 
> Reporting From the Streets, Shops and Cafes of Spiritual Fairfield,
> 
> -Buck
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Yep, this thing coming with The Dome Numbers Cliff, someone is going
> to
> > have to show some magnanimous leadership to a hurt people to have them
> > come back and help.  We're going to need a few hundred more old
> movement
> > meditators from the community here to come back and there is some deep
> > held feeling that leadership is going to have to deal with to get
> these
> > numbers to come out from the meditating community here now.  My only
> > interest in this is to see them facilitate the numbers in the Dome
> > meditation better and if they can't then step aside and let someone
> else
> > do it.  They've had over thirty years rein of terror, let's see
> > something else.-Buck
> >
> > >
> > > Like the 'fiscal cliff' we evidently are approaching The Numbers
> Cliff
> > > in the Domes.
> > >
> > > Someone lurking FFL writes to me on the side:
> > >
> > >   If this group is established, why are the
> > > www.invincibleamerica.org/tallies/
> > >   numbers so pitifully low?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, it is going to be close.  Even if these new pundits show up in
> > > force in re-enforcement we still need a few more good meditators
> from
> > > the community to come to the Domes to have steady numbers over 2,000
> > > meditating morning and evening, let alone 2,500 for safety.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[doctordumbass]

As I said, "So don't make the error, as many of us have, believing that Barry 
is here to tell the truth, or his opinions, whatever, about God, TM, Maharishi 
and enlightenment. We could be talking about varieties of cheese, and he would 
be exactly the same - making the same kind of shitty remarks."

HEY! AM I PSYCHIC, OR **WHAT**!!!??

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > I'll bet Hagelin could do it, if he were willing to risk 
> > putting his neck on the chopping block. It would be a 
> > showdown at the OK Corral between him and Bevan.
> 
> Don't be silly. You're still thinking TM-centric. 
> A turnip has more charisma and audience recognition
> in the real world than John Hagelin does. No one but
> a TB TMer gives a shit *what* he thinks, about 
> *anything*, or ever will. There couldn't *BE* a 
> more quintessentially boring status quo dweeb 
> than John Hagelin. 
> 
> 
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of turquoiseb
> > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:50 AM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer"  > <mailto:rick@> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe there needs to be a "tipping point" with the course office, 
> > > as there now appears to be with the NRA, or as there was in the 
> > > 50's with Senator Joseph McCarthy, in which the office is shamed 
> > > into irrelevancy and powerlessness, and forced to shut down.
> > 
> > An interesting idea, and a hopeful one, but as I seem
> > to remember it, the "tipping point" with Joe McCarthy
> > was really precipitated by "the most trusted man in
> > America" taking him on, at peril to his own career and
> > reputation. That was, of course, Edward R. Murrow, 
> > arguably the best "newsman" America has ever had. 
> > 
> > Who might such a person be within the TMO? What would
> > happen, for example, if poster boy David Lynch lined
> > up with the people being declared Off The Program, and
> > thus anathema, and "banned from the domes?" Or Oprah? 
> > Or Paul McCartney?
> > 
> > If you need to inspire yourself with what one man (or
> > woman) can do if suitably ethical and suitably motivated,
> > I heartily recommend a viewing or re-viewing of the film
> > written and directed by George Clooney, "Good Night, and
> > Good Luck." In it you get to see the face of evil himself,
> > Joseph McCarthy, as he really looked and acted in newsreel
> > footage, and David Strathairn as the voice and face of
> > Murrow, bringing a great actor's "take" to the actual
> > text of Murrow's news broadcasts. The movie touched me
> > deeply, and made me get all teary from time to time,
> > seeing what "the TV News" *used to be*, compared with 
> > what it is now. 
> > 
> > One person -- if they are visible enough and respected
> > enough -- really CAN change things. Why I bring this up
> > is that although ideas themselves are suitable motivators
> > for many people, I don't think that the larger community
> > of TM practitioners -- having been trained for so many
> > decades to be personality worshipers -- are at this point
> > able to react to mere ideas. They need a "spokesperson," 
> > a charismatic person to whom they can switch their
> > allegiance and then follow. Just my opinion...
> > 
> > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>  
> > > On Behalf Of Buck
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:42 AM
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> > 
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Hurt Community
> > > 
> > > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > > 
> > > A Hurt Community.
> > > 
> > > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short
> > of
> > > a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably
> > > need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back
> > to
> > > the Domes. 
> > > 
> > > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that
> > the
> > > old movement me

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> I'll bet Hagelin could do it, if he were willing to risk 
> putting his neck on the chopping block. It would be a 
> showdown at the OK Corral between him and Bevan.

Don't be silly. You're still thinking TM-centric. 
A turnip has more charisma and audience recognition
in the real world than John Hagelin does. No one but
a TB TMer gives a shit *what* he thinks, about 
*anything*, or ever will. There couldn't *BE* a 
more quintessentially boring status quo dweeb 
than John Hagelin. 


> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of turquoiseb
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:50 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer"  <mailto:rick@> > wrote:
> >
> > Maybe there needs to be a "tipping point" with the course office, 
> > as there now appears to be with the NRA, or as there was in the 
> > 50's with Senator Joseph McCarthy, in which the office is shamed 
> > into irrelevancy and powerlessness, and forced to shut down.
> 
> An interesting idea, and a hopeful one, but as I seem
> to remember it, the "tipping point" with Joe McCarthy
> was really precipitated by "the most trusted man in
> America" taking him on, at peril to his own career and
> reputation. That was, of course, Edward R. Murrow, 
> arguably the best "newsman" America has ever had. 
> 
> Who might such a person be within the TMO? What would
> happen, for example, if poster boy David Lynch lined
> up with the people being declared Off The Program, and
> thus anathema, and "banned from the domes?" Or Oprah? 
> Or Paul McCartney?
> 
> If you need to inspire yourself with what one man (or
> woman) can do if suitably ethical and suitably motivated,
> I heartily recommend a viewing or re-viewing of the film
> written and directed by George Clooney, "Good Night, and
> Good Luck." In it you get to see the face of evil himself,
> Joseph McCarthy, as he really looked and acted in newsreel
> footage, and David Strathairn as the voice and face of
> Murrow, bringing a great actor's "take" to the actual
> text of Murrow's news broadcasts. The movie touched me
> deeply, and made me get all teary from time to time,
> seeing what "the TV News" *used to be*, compared with 
> what it is now. 
> 
> One person -- if they are visible enough and respected
> enough -- really CAN change things. Why I bring this up
> is that although ideas themselves are suitable motivators
> for many people, I don't think that the larger community
> of TM practitioners -- having been trained for so many
> decades to be personality worshipers -- are at this point
> able to react to mere ideas. They need a "spokesperson," 
> a charismatic person to whom they can switch their
> allegiance and then follow. Just my opinion...
> 
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>  
> > On Behalf Of Buck
> > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:42 AM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> 
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Hurt Community
> > 
> > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > 
> > A Hurt Community.
> > 
> > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short
> of
> > a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably
> > need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back
> to
> > the Domes. 
> > 
> > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that
> the
> > old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove
> > anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly
> > held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying
> > for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not
> > have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has
> > kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. 
> > 
> > This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians
> at
> > the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R & B rag
> with
> > a spirited refrain that went on something like "I ain't going to go to the
> > Dome no more". Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the
> > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[doctordumbass]

Based on your wisdom and long association with bashing the Movement and 
everything it stands for, I VOTE YOU to lead the TMO out of the wilderness!! 
What wiser soul than you, with your dedication and unerring focus on the wrongs 
of the TMO and Maharishi??? YOU ARE THE SAVIOR!

(see what I mean about you being a veritable *zinger machine*? seriously we 
could MAKE BANK on this shit, dude...)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > Maybe there needs to be a "tipping point" with the course office, 
> > as there now appears to be with the NRA, or as there was in the 
> > 50's with Senator Joseph McCarthy, in which the office is shamed 
> > into irrelevancy and powerlessness, and forced to shut down.
> 
> An interesting idea, and a hopeful one, but as I seem
> to remember it, the "tipping point" with Joe McCarthy
> was really precipitated by "the most trusted man in
> America" taking him on, at peril to his own career and
> reputation. That was, of course, Edward R. Murrow, 
> arguably the best "newsman" America has ever had. 
> 
> Who might such a person be within the TMO? What would
> happen, for example, if poster boy David Lynch lined
> up with the people being declared Off The Program, and
> thus anathema, and "banned from the domes?" Or Oprah? 
> Or Paul McCartney?
> 
> If you need to inspire yourself with what one man (or
> woman) can do if suitably ethical and suitably motivated,
> I heartily recommend a viewing or re-viewing of the film
> written and directed by George Clooney, "Good Night, and
> Good Luck." In it you get to see the face of evil himself,
> Joseph McCarthy, as he really looked and acted in newsreel
> footage, and David Strathairn as the voice and face of
> Murrow, bringing a great actor's "take" to the actual
> text of Murrow's news broadcasts. The movie touched me
> deeply, and made me get all teary from time to time,
> seeing what "the TV News" *used to be*, compared with 
> what it is now. 
> 
> One person -- if they are visible enough and respected
> enough -- really CAN change things. Why I bring this up
> is that although ideas themselves are suitable motivators
> for many people, I don't think that the larger community
> of TM practitioners -- having been trained for so many
> decades to be personality worshipers -- are at this point
> able to react to mere ideas. They need a "spokesperson," 
> a charismatic person to whom they can switch their
> allegiance and then follow. Just my opinion...
> 
> 
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > On Behalf Of Buck
> > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:42 AM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Hurt Community
> > 
> > Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> > 
> > A Hurt Community.
> > 
> > In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of
> > a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably
> > need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to
> > the Domes. 
> > 
> > The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the
> > old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove
> > anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate.  It's a strongly
> > held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying
> > for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not
> > have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has
> > kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. 
> > 
> > This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at
> > the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R & B rag with
> > a spirited refrain that went on something like "I ain't going to go to the
> > Dome no more". Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the
> > situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3
> > of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the
> > larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people
> > feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back
> > to help out with the numbers. 
> > 
> > I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM
> > movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around
> > Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed
> > that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to
> > the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending advanced
> > lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right there to be involved
> > in the cult again with her application to meditate in the Dome. She is a
> > meditator here. She is someone who is here who was willing to be in the Dome
> > meditating to help out. The feeling about how it has gone though is bad and
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[Rick Archer]

I'll bet Hagelin could do it, if he were willing to risk putting his neck on
the chopping block. It would be a showdown at the OK Corral between him and
Bevan.

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of turquoiseb
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:50 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

 

  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer" mailto:rick@...> > wrote:
>
> Maybe there needs to be a "tipping point" with the course office, 
> as there now appears to be with the NRA, or as there was in the 
> 50's with Senator Joseph McCarthy, in which the office is shamed 
> into irrelevancy and powerlessness, and forced to shut down.

An interesting idea, and a hopeful one, but as I seem
to remember it, the "tipping point" with Joe McCarthy
was really precipitated by "the most trusted man in
America" taking him on, at peril to his own career and
reputation. That was, of course, Edward R. Murrow, 
arguably the best "newsman" America has ever had. 

Who might such a person be within the TMO? What would
happen, for example, if poster boy David Lynch lined
up with the people being declared Off The Program, and
thus anathema, and "banned from the domes?" Or Oprah? 
Or Paul McCartney?

If you need to inspire yourself with what one man (or
woman) can do if suitably ethical and suitably motivated,
I heartily recommend a viewing or re-viewing of the film
written and directed by George Clooney, "Good Night, and
Good Luck." In it you get to see the face of evil himself,
Joseph McCarthy, as he really looked and acted in newsreel
footage, and David Strathairn as the voice and face of
Murrow, bringing a great actor's "take" to the actual
text of Murrow's news broadcasts. The movie touched me
deeply, and made me get all teary from time to time,
seeing what "the TV News" *used to be*, compared with 
what it is now. 

One person -- if they are visible enough and respected
enough -- really CAN change things. Why I bring this up
is that although ideas themselves are suitable motivators
for many people, I don't think that the larger community
of TM practitioners -- having been trained for so many
decades to be personality worshipers -- are at this point
able to react to mere ideas. They need a "spokesperson," 
a charismatic person to whom they can switch their
allegiance and then follow. Just my opinion...

> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>  
> On Behalf Of Buck
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:42 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Hurt Community
> 
> Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> 
> A Hurt Community.
> 
> In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short
of
> a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably
> need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back
to
> the Domes. 
> 
> The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that
the
> old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove
> anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate. It's a strongly
> held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying
> for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not
> have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has
> kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. 
> 
> This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians
at
> the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R & B rag
with
> a spirited refrain that went on something like "I ain't going to go to the
> Dome no more". Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the
> situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and
1/3
> of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of
the
> larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people
> feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming
back
> to help out with the numbers. 
> 
> I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM
> movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around
> Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then
observed
> that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to
> the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending advanced
> lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right there to be involved
> i

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Maybe there needs to be a "tipping point" with the course office, 
> as there now appears to be with the NRA, or as there was in the 
> 50's with Senator Joseph McCarthy, in which the office is shamed 
> into irrelevancy and powerlessness, and forced to shut down.

An interesting idea, and a hopeful one, but as I seem
to remember it, the "tipping point" with Joe McCarthy
was really precipitated by "the most trusted man in
America" taking him on, at peril to his own career and
reputation. That was, of course, Edward R. Murrow, 
arguably the best "newsman" America has ever had. 

Who might such a person be within the TMO? What would
happen, for example, if poster boy David Lynch lined
up with the people being declared Off The Program, and
thus anathema, and "banned from the domes?" Or Oprah? 
Or Paul McCartney?

If you need to inspire yourself with what one man (or
woman) can do if suitably ethical and suitably motivated,
I heartily recommend a viewing or re-viewing of the film
written and directed by George Clooney, "Good Night, and
Good Luck." In it you get to see the face of evil himself,
Joseph McCarthy, as he really looked and acted in newsreel
footage, and David Strathairn as the voice and face of
Murrow, bringing a great actor's "take" to the actual
text of Murrow's news broadcasts. The movie touched me
deeply, and made me get all teary from time to time,
seeing what "the TV News" *used to be*, compared with 
what it is now. 

One person -- if they are visible enough and respected
enough -- really CAN change things. Why I bring this up
is that although ideas themselves are suitable motivators
for many people, I don't think that the larger community
of TM practitioners -- having been trained for so many
decades to be personality worshipers -- are at this point
able to react to mere ideas. They need a "spokesperson," 
a charismatic person to whom they can switch their
allegiance and then follow. Just my opinion...


> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Buck
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:42 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Hurt Community
> 
> Dateline Spiritual Fairfield,
> 
> A Hurt Community.
> 
> In a few weeks once the Pandits all arrive we still are going to be short of
> a consistent 2000+ people meditating in the Dome tallies and will probably
> need another couple hundred local meditators at the margins to come back to
> the Domes. 
> 
> The very real thing I am running in to now as I interview people is that the
> old movement meditators here feel they don't (should not) have to prove
> anything to the course to get back in to Dome to meditate.  It's a strongly
> held sentiment. I'm talking with old cultured movement meditators applying
> for a badge who then with some vehemence are feeling they they should not
> have to explain themselves when it becomes apparent that the Capital has
> kept files on them. They are appalled. So it is. 
> 
> This last weekend Jonas Magram produced a folk evening of local musicians at
> the Paradiso stage. Someone told me that one performer did a R & B rag with
> a spirited refrain that went on something like "I ain't going to go to the
> Dome no more". Apparently it was really well done as a send up of the
> situation here. About 2/3's of the crowd applauded enthusiastically and 1/3
> of the crowd sat stoically on their hands and were not amused at all. Of the
> larger meditating community, that is about the right ratio of how people
> feel about the organizational TM movement as they would consider coming back
> to help out with the numbers. 
> 
> I spoke with someone this weekend at a holiday get together, an old TM
> movement person, someone who had early spent a lot of face time around
> Maharishi, taught a lot of people to meditate, ran Centers who then observed
> that she felt completely offended that she would have to prove herself to
> the Course Office staff by chasing down recommends and attending advanced
> lectures at the Peace Palace. She lost interest right there to be involved
> in the cult again with her application to meditate in the Dome. She is a
> meditator here. She is someone who is here who was willing to be in the Dome
> meditating to help out. The feeling about how it has gone though is bad and
> defended. 
> 
> I ran in to three other people last week interviewing who spoke the same way
> about going back who had dropped pursuing their applications any further
> beyond initial interviews when they were met with questions about what was
> in their files and then having to come up with recommends and going to
> advanced lectures at the Peace Palace to prove themselves.
> 
> Reporting From the Streets, Shops and Cafes of Spiritual Fairfield,
> 
> -Buck
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> , "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > Yep, this thing coming with The Dome Numbers Cliff, someone