[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Speak for yourself. Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm. IF ...Christ existed, he obviously means that the Cosmic Big Self that I am living, walking, and breathing, (Pure Consciousness), is the source, course, and goal of all life, therefore, only through that which I am (Tat Svam Asvi - or whatever that phrase is), I am the Cosmic Self, the Source, and only through that will you come to the Source of existence (the Father). Christ also said: Before Abraham was, I AM (at least in the versions I have read, but I have not read the most ancient texts direct translations for a long time) OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm. The me of The Christ is the Kingdom of heaven within, or transcendence. Basic stuff really.
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm. The me of The Christ is the Kingdom of heaven within, or transcendence. Basic stuff really. The me of Christ is the personal God immanent in Creation like Brahma the creator...not Brahman.
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Speak for yourself. Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm. IF ...Christ existed, he obviously means that the Cosmic Big Self that I am living, walking, and breathing, (Pure Consciousness), is the source, course, and goal of all life, therefore, only through that which I am (Tat Svam Asvi - or whatever that phrase is), I am the Cosmic Self, the Source, and only through that will you come to the Source of existence (the Father). Christ also said: Before Abraham was, I AM (at least in the versions I have read, but I have not read the most ancient texts direct translations for a long time) OffWorld Nope, you're talking about Brahman! The Christ or 'Christos' is the formless Being (which can take any form)IN creation, the creator as assumed in the form Brahma! *Brahman* is the formless Absolute beyond creation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm. The me of The Christ is the Kingdom of heaven within, or transcendence. Basic stuff really. The me of Christ is the personal God immanent in Creation like Brahma the creator...not Brahman. Perhaps you are mixing up the consept of Jesus and The Christ ? They are not one and the same, even though the Church dearly wants you to believe so. They are two great Masters, The Christ, or Maitreya which is His name today, being the most senior. And Brahmananda Saraswati being more senior to Jesus. Not that it really matters I suppose, they are all perfected beings and work together in perfect synchrony. There is no contest here. According to Benjamin Creme Brahmanada Saraswati is currently not in incarnation, whereas Jesus is. If you need clarification of the relationship between Jesus, The Christ and God. Please see: http://www.shareintl.org
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps you are mixing up the consept of Jesus and The Christ ? Jesus was the man, Christ is the Universal Soul, the only begotten of the Father, the Father being Brahman. We all have the power to become Christ (formless essence of the Solar System)where as there will only be one Jesus or John, etc. Christ consciousness is the God Consciousness of MMY by another name, same principle. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: Perhaps you are mixing up the consept of Jesus and The Christ ? Jesus was the man, Christ is the Universal Soul, the only begotten of the Father, the Father being Brahman. We all have the power to become Christ (formless essence of the Solar System)where as there will only be one Jesus or John, etc. Christ consciousness is the God Consciousness of MMY by another name, same principle. snip Perhaps, one should be careful about using Brahman as the symbol for the Father. In vedic literature, Brahman has a limited life, although much longer than humans or the other demigods. But the intent of your idea is understood.
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Speak for yourself. Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm. IF ...Christ existed, he obviously means that the Cosmic Big Self that I am living, walking, and breathing, (Pure Consciousness), is the source, course, and goal of all life, therefore, only through that which I am (Tat Svam Asvi - or whatever that phrase is), I am the Cosmic Self, the Source, and only through that will you come to the Source of existence (the Father). Christ also said: Before Abraham was, I AM (at least in the versions I have read, but I have not read the most ancient texts direct translations for a long time) OffWorld Nope, you're talking about Brahman! The Christ or 'Christos' is the formless Being (which can take any form)IN creation, the creator as assumed in the form Brahma! *Brahman* is the formless Absolute beyond creation. You're an idiot. Christ said Before Abraham was, I AM, as I mentioned in my last post. He also said: I am in you, and you are in Me, and we are in the Father You need to break down your silly Tower of Babble. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Speak for yourself. Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm. IF ...Christ existed, he obviously means that the Cosmic Big Self that I am living, walking, and breathing, (Pure Consciousness), is the source, course, and goal of all life, therefore, only through that which I am (Tat Svam Asvi - or whatever that phrase is), I am the Cosmic Self, the Source, and only through that will you come to the Source of existence (the Father). Christ also said: Before Abraham was, I AM (at least in the versions I have read, but I have not read the most ancient texts direct translations for a long time) OffWorld Nope, you're talking about Brahman! The Christ or 'Christos' is the formless Being (which can take any form)IN creation, the creator as assumed in the form Brahma! *Brahman* is the formless Absolute beyond creation. That might be so, but The Christ is also here now in flesh and blood, together with an increasing number of Masters being incarnated. In fact for the first time in 100,000 years. For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org Heaven will walk on earth. In this generation. - Maharishi
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: Perhaps you are mixing up the consept of Jesus and The Christ ? Jesus was the man, Christ is the Universal Soul, the only begotten of the Father, the Father being Brahman. We all have the power to become Christ (formless essence of the Solar System)where as there will only be one Jesus or John, etc. Christ consciousness is the God Consciousness of MMY by another name, same principle. snip Perhaps, one should be careful about using Brahman as the symbol for the Father. In vedic literature, Brahman has a limited life, although much longer than humans or the other demigods. But the intent of your idea is understood. The longest life (of incalculable time) according to Maharishi's interpretation, is Mother Divine. All the others (Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, etc) have calculable shorter life-spans (although still mind-bogglingly long). Not that it matters much to mere humans. We have no role to play there. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: after reading Paramahansa Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita (all 18 chapters). MMY's terminology is very confusing and conflates all levels of consciousness so many times you don't know if you're coming or going! Speak for yourself. Although the principles are there the process of getting there is *painfull* to say the least! And what did Christ mean when he said, No man cometh onto the Father except thru me...Hummm. IF ...Christ existed, he obviously means that the Cosmic Big Self that I am living, walking, and breathing, (Pure Consciousness), is the source, course, and goal of all life, therefore, only through that which I am (Tat Svam Asvi - or whatever that phrase is), I am the Cosmic Self, the Source, and only through that will you come to the Source of existence (the Father). Christ also said: Before Abraham was, I AM (at least in the versions I have read, but I have not read the most ancient texts direct translations for a long time) OffWorld Nope, you're talking about Brahman! The Christ or 'Christos' is the formless Being (which can take any form)IN creation, the creator as assumed in the form Brahma! *Brahman* is the formless Absolute beyond creation. That might be so, but The Christ is also here now in flesh and blood, together with an increasing number of Masters being incarnated. In fact for the first time in 100,000 years. For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org Heaven will walk on earth. In this generation. - Maharishi Please stop passing this information around that I am here. I am trying to lead a quiet life. (Jest kiddin', but I am having some interesting experiences that suggest to me something very big in leap of consiousness is about to take placean ascension of sorts... of all humans) OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
That might be so, but The Christ is also here now in flesh and blood, together with an increasing number of Masters being incarnated. In fact for the first time in 100,000 years. For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org Heaven will walk on earth. In this generation. - Maharishi Please stop passing this information around that I am here. I am trying to lead a quiet life. (Jest kiddin', but I am having some interesting experiences that suggest to me something very big in leap of consiousness is about to take placean ascension of sorts... of all humans) OffWorld It has already happened my friend. Maharishi did it, with the help of the Pioneers of the Age of Enlightenment, many of whom are on this list. Now is the time for it to be openly demonstrated in the world of human affairs. Wait for me a little longer only, and you will find your dreams fulfilled. So will it be, and soon My nourishing Love will strengthen and invest your life with joy. -Maitreya, November 2004 Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're an idiot. snip OffWorld I see ad hominum attacks didn't take long to surface, I feel right at home, cracker anybody?
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That might be so, but The Christ is also here now in flesh and blood, together with an increasing number of Masters being incarnated. In fact for the first time in 100,000 years. For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org Heaven will walk on earth. In this generation. - Maharishi Please stop passing this information around that I am here. I am trying to lead a quiet life. (Jest kiddin', but I am having some interesting experiences that suggest to me something very big in leap of consiousness is about to take placean ascension of sorts... of all humans) OffWorld It has already happened my friend. Maharishi did it, with the help of the Pioneers of the Age of Enlightenment, many of whom are on this list. Now is the time for it to be openly demonstrated in the world of human affairs. Wait for me a little longer only, and you will find your dreams fulfilled. So will it be, and soon My nourishing Love will strengthen and invest your life with joy. -Maitreya, November 2004 Jai Guru Dev It is going to be way more dramatic than people think. Not noly joy, or fulfillment of dreams, or even love. Overnight transformation, like burning molten lava flowing over all the Earth overnight, only the lava will not be purifying burning fire, but it will be purifying, burning and very powerful bliss. People will shake and convulse, and once the purification is over, they will completely forget their previous existence/livess. History will dissappear, and a whole vastly different universe will be opened up. It will be very fast when it comes. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You're an idiot. snip OffWorld I see ad hominum attacks didn't take long to surface, I feel right at home, cracker anybody? Incorrect, it was a conclusion based on reasoning. You have yet to prove it otherwise. Do you really think that someone who is liberated and merged with the cosmic existence has bad karma associated with them. You completely went off on the wrong track from the start and I tried to help you out twice, but your mind was jumping around like a crackerjack. So I merely made a rational conclusion based on observation. You took it personally that I called you an idiot, when it was merely an example of pure unbiased scientific observation. You know, like saying, the grass is green, that sort of conclusion. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You're an idiot. snip OffWorld I see ad hominum attacks didn't take long to surface, I feel right at home, cracker anybody? Incorrect, it was a conclusion based on reasoning. You have yet to prove it otherwise. Do you really think that someone who is liberated and merged with the cosmic existence has bad karma associated with them. You completely went off on the wrong track from the start and I tried to help you out twice, but your mind was jumping around like a crackerjack. So I merely made a rational conclusion based on observation. You took it personally that I called you an idiot, when it was merely an example of pure unbiased scientific observation. You know, like saying, the grass is green, that sort of conclusion. OffWorld If MMY had stated only GOOD karma is visited upon his relatives I would agree, he did not state that however, that is your assumption and for you to proveyes? Surely tat walla baba had some kind of bad karma, why would he have been shot to death.. Although your point is interesting in that, can one achieve full realization and still have bad karma...or any karma?
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You're an idiot. snip OffWorld I see ad hominum attacks didn't take long to surface, I feel right at home, cracker anybody? Incorrect, it was a conclusion based on reasoning. You have yet to prove it otherwise. Do you really think that someone who is liberated and merged with the cosmic existence has bad karma associated with them. You completely went off on the wrong track from the start and I tried to help you out twice, but your mind was jumping around like a crackerjack. So I merely made a rational conclusion based on observation. You took it personally that I called you an idiot, when it was merely an example of pure unbiased scientific observation. You know, like saying, the grass is green, that sort of conclusion. OffWorld If MMY had stated only GOOD karma is visited upon his relatives I would agree, he did not state that however, that is your assumption and for you to proveyes? Surely tat walla baba had some kind of bad karma, why would he have been shot to death.. Although your point is interesting in that, can one achieve full realization and still have bad karma...or any karma? How is it that someone who is fully realized still desires food? Or is it that the body still desires food? Hmmm.. Could that mean that karmic reactions still continue but that they simply don't touch the Self?
[FairfieldLife] Re: After 38 years of TM, I finally understand MMY's Bhagavad Gita, that is...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: You're an idiot. snip OffWorld I see ad hominum attacks didn't take long to surface, I feel right at home, cracker anybody? Incorrect, it was a conclusion based on reasoning. You have yet to prove it otherwise. Do you really think that someone who is liberated and merged with the cosmic existence has bad karma associated with them. You completely went off on the wrong track from the start and I tried to help you out twice, but your mind was jumping around like a crackerjack. So I merely made a rational conclusion based on observation. You took it personally that I called you an idiot, when it was merely an example of pure unbiased scientific observation. You know, like saying, the grass is green, that sort of conclusion. OffWorld If MMY had stated only GOOD karma is visited upon his relatives I would agree, he did not state that however, that is your assumption and for you to proveyes? No it is obvious. Very obvious. Surely tat walla baba had some kind of bad karma, why would he have been shot to death.. Why? I would say bad karma is when a person is in suffering for a very long time. Tat Wala was in bliss one minute, shot in an instance, and in bliss again a few minutes later. In fact, if he was truely enlightened the whole thing would have felt like bliss, and certainly not sad, maybe even funny. Although your point is interesting in that, can one achieve full realization and still have bad karma...or any karma? Only Leisha Vidya, the remains of the yagya, which is basically nothing much except just enough to still have some fun in the activity world. Maharishi's point has always been that you change the experience from 95% small self (and attachment and fear), to 95% enlightenment (fulfillment and bliss). The universe is still the universe, but seen through different glasses. You still need a spur to action to be alive. But the activities (karma) are not overwhelming to consciousness -- that has always been Maharishi's point in my view. Like a line drawn in the air, instead of a line drawn in sand. OffWorld
