[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of sparaig > > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:14 PM > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on MMY > > > > > > > > Seroiusly though, do you think MMY's behavior was truly excremental, or > > merely > > less-than-perfect? > > > > It covered the whole spectrum, and those two choices aren't adequate. Some > > of it was very saintly and compassionate. > > > > > IOW, human. > > I never fully bought into the concept that an elnlightened person is > never incapable of making mistakes. My interpretation of that concept > was always in terms of one's own spiritual growth: someone who is enlightened > doesn't do things to hinder their own growth. AN extension is that someone > who is growing past CC has a broader perspective about "their own growth," > which leads to them being more likely to do things for the sake of others, as well. > > > Lawson > i find the whole question enormously amusing- of all the jokes the universe plays on us, this is the best one. it is the universe that compels us to seek enlightenment-- it is a complete set up. so as a result of gaining that state we act in strange undefinable ways, that is precisely what the universe is asking us to do. so the best way to ask about anything associated with enlightenment is ask the universe itself. it will tell you with no hesitation at all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of sparaig > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:14 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on MMY > > > > Seroiusly though, do you think MMY's behavior was truly excremental, or > merely > less-than-perfect? > > It covered the whole spectrum, and those two choices aren't adequate. Some > of it was very saintly and compassionate. > IOW, human. I never fully bought into the concept that an elnlightened person is never incapable of making mistakes. My interpretation of that concept was always in terms of one's own spiritual growth: someone who is enlightened doesn't do things to hinder their own growth. AN extension is that someone who is growing past CC has a broader perspective about "their own growth," which leads to them being more likely to do things for the sake of others, as well. Lawson
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on MMY
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sparaig Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:14 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on MMY Seroiusly though, do you think MMY's behavior was truly excremental, or merely less-than-perfect? It covered the whole spectrum, and those two choices aren't adequate. Some of it was very saintly and compassionate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma on MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > BTW, I understand that you asked Amma about MMY. Could you share, off the > record if necessary, what she said? > > > > Vaj asked me this in a private email. I can share on the record. I didn't > ask Amma about MMY specifically, but I asked her why so many famous gurus > are eventually discovered to have been doing things that are considered > unethical even in an ordinary man? Isn't there supposed to be a correlation > between higher consciousness and ethical development? Is it that they're not > enlightened or is it that it's possible to be enlightened yet undeveloped in > some aspects of one's personality? > > > > Amma refuses to comment specifically on any guru and is careful not to make > general comments that might be construed as applicable to particular gurus, > but the first part of her answer was to ask whether I had benefitted from my > association with my former guru. I said that I definitely had. She said that > if you find a diamond in some excrement, you clean it off and keep it. You > fail to appreciate it just because of where you found it. I'll have to think > and maybe ask my wife about some of the other details of her answer, and I > have to start my day now, but that point was the one that stayed with me > most clearly. > Seroiusly though, do you think MMY's behavior was truly excremental, or merely less-than-perfect? Lawson
