[FairfieldLife] Re: Andy Garcia's Cuba movie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Having lived in south florida for 13 years and having gone to graduate school with many second generation Cubans who fled Fidel's revolution and having professors who taught in cuba before and after the revolution I have learned quite a bit about Che and Fidel and their revolution. I am in full agreement with Mr. Fontova. Fidel ruined that country. So The Pre-Castro Cuba was something worth keeping? No, to some extent, but it went from the frying pan into the fire, so to speak. So which do you prefer, the Cuba where 14-year-olds are dragged out of the fields so US Senators can screw them, or the current one? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andy Garcia's Cuba movie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having lived in south florida for 13 years and having gone to graduate school with many second generation Cubans who fled Fidel's revolution and having professors who taught in cuba before and after the revolution I have learned quite a bit about Che and Fidel and their revolution. I am in full agreement with Mr. Fontova. Fidel ruined that country. So The Pre-Castro Cuba was something worth keeping? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Andy Garcia's Cuba movie
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having lived in south florida for 13 years and having gone to graduate school with many second generation Cubans who fled Fidel's revolution and having professors who taught in cuba before and after the revolution I have learned quite a bit about Che and Fidel and their revolution. I am in full agreement with Mr. Fontova. Fidel ruined that country. So The Pre-Castro Cuba was something worth keeping? No, to some extent, but it went from the frying pan into the fire, so to speak. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andy Garcia's Cuba movie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having lived in south florida for 13 years and having gone to graduate school with many second generation Cubans who fled Fidel's revolution and having professors who taught in cuba before and after the revolution I have learned quite a bit about Che and Fidel and their revolution. I am in full agreement with Mr. Fontova. Fidel ruined that country. Peter, do you think that most Americans -- other than Cuban- Americans -- have the wrong impression about Cuba and Castro? That is, that it is some sort of socialist paradise? --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Movie Critics Aghast at Andy Garcia's The Lost City by Humberto Fontova Andy Garcia blew it big-time with his movie The Lost City. He blew it with the mainstream critics that is. Almost unanimously, they're ripping a movie 16 years in the making. In this engaging drama of a middle-class Cuban family crumbling during free Havana's last days, in which he both directs and stars, Garcia insisted on depicting some historical truth about Cuba � a grotesque and unforgivable blunder in his industry. He's now paying the price. Earlier, many film festivals refused to screen it. Now many Latin American countries refuse to show it. The film's offenses are many and varied. Most unforgivable of all, Che Guevara is shown killing people in cold blood. Who ever heard of such nonsense? And just where does this uppity Andy Garcia get the effrontery to portray such things? The man obviously doesn't know his place. And just where did Garcia get this preposterous notion of pre-Castro Cuba as a relatively prosperous but politically troubled place, they ask? All the Cubans he portrays seem middle class? Where in his movie is the tsunami of stooped and starving peasants that carried Fidel and Che into Havana on it's crest, they ask? Where's all those diseased and illiterate laborers and peasants my professors, Dan Rather, CNN and Oliver Stone told me about, ask the critics? Garcia � that cinematic bomb-thrower � has seriously jolted the Mainstream Media's fantasies and hallucinations of pre-Castro Cuba, of Che, of Fidel, and of Cubans in general. In consequence, the critics are unnerved and disoriented. Their annoyance and scorn is spewing forth in review after review. Garcia blew it. If only his characters had spoken with accents like John Belushi's as a Saturday Night Live Killer Bee! If only they'd dressed like The Three Amigos! If only they'd behaved like Cheech and Chong! If only they'd mimicked the mannerisms and gait of Freddie Prinze in Chico and the Man! If only the women had piled a roadside fruit stand on their head like Carmen Miranda in Road to Rio! If only the cast had looked like the little guy who handles my luggage when I visit Cancun! Or the guys who do my lawn! Everybody knows that's what Hispanics look like! If only masses of Cubans had been shown toiling in salt mines like Spartacus, or picking crops like Tom Joad or getting lashed by a vicious landlord like Kunta Kinte, or hustling for a living like Ratso Rizzo! In a movie about the Cuban revolution, we almost never see any of the working poor for whom the revolution was supposedly fought,sniffs Peter Reiner in The Christian Science Monitor. The Lost City misses historical complexity. Actually what's missing is Mr. Reiner's historical knowledge. Andy Garcia and screenwriter Guillermo Cabrera Infante knew full well that the working poor had no role in the stage of the Cuban Revolution shown in the movie. The Anti-Batista rebellion was led and staffed overwhelmingly by Cuba's middle � and especially, upper � class. To wit: in August of 1957 Castro's rebel movement called for a National Strike against the Batista dictatorship � and threatened to shoot workers who reported to work. The National Strike was completely ignored. Another was called for April 9, 1958. And again Cuban workers blew a loud and collective raspberry at their liberators, reporting to work en masse. Garcia's tale bemoans the loss of easy wealth for a precious few, harrumphs Michael Atkinson in The Village Voice. Poor people are absolutely absent; Garcia and Infante seem to have thought that peasant revolutions happen for no particular reason�or at least no reason the moneyed 1 percent should have to worry about. What's absolutely absent is Mr Atkinson's knowledge about the Cuba Garcia depicts in his movie. His crack about that moneyed 1 per cent, and especially his peasant revolution epitomize the clich�d idiocies still parroted by the chattering classes about Cuba. The impoverished masses
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Andy Garcia's Cuba movie
In a message dated 5/2/06 11:38:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter, do you think that most Americans -- other than Cuban-Americans -- have the wrong impression about Cuba and Castro? That is, that it is some sort of socialist paradise? Shemp I think most democrats/liberals simply envy the "free health care" and "free college education". Thus it's a socialist workers paradise. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Andy Garcia's Cuba movie
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having lived in south florida for 13 years and having gone to graduate school with many second generation Cubans who fled Fidel's revolution and having professors who taught in cuba before and after the revolution I have learned quite a bit about Che and Fidel and their revolution. I am in full agreement with Mr. Fontova. Fidel ruined that country. Peter, do you think that most Americans -- other than Cuban- Americans -- have the wrong impression about Cuba and Castro? That is, that it is some sort of socialist paradise? No, of course not. However, within some liberal or, more accurately, radical circles, the revolution in Cuba is viewed as some sort of wonderful change that brought about the liberation of the masses. But I have to admit that I only found this perspective in my socialist sister and her friends, and in graduate school in the late 70's and early 80's at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Marxism, socialism like anything else can look great on paper, but the actual practice can get real messy and corrupt as it did in Cuba. --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Movie Critics Aghast at Andy Garcia's The Lost City by Humberto Fontova Andy Garcia blew it big-time with his movie The Lost City. He blew it with the mainstream critics that is. Almost unanimously, they're ripping a movie 16 years in the making. In this engaging drama of a middle-class Cuban family crumbling during free Havana's last days, in which he both directs and stars, Garcia insisted on depicting some historical truth about Cuba � a grotesque and unforgivable blunder in his industry. He's now paying the price. Earlier, many film festivals refused to screen it. Now many Latin American countries refuse to show it. The film's offenses are many and varied. Most unforgivable of all, Che Guevara is shown killing people in cold blood. Who ever heard of such nonsense? And just where does this uppity Andy Garcia get the effrontery to portray such things? The man obviously doesn't know his place. And just where did Garcia get this preposterous notion of pre-Castro Cuba as a relatively prosperous but politically troubled place, they ask? All the Cubans he portrays seem middle class? Where in his movie is the tsunami of stooped and starving peasants that carried Fidel and Che into Havana on it's crest, they ask? Where's all those diseased and illiterate laborers and peasants my professors, Dan Rather, CNN and Oliver Stone told me about, ask the critics? Garcia � that cinematic bomb-thrower � has seriously jolted the Mainstream Media's fantasies and hallucinations of pre-Castro Cuba, of Che, of Fidel, and of Cubans in general. In consequence, the critics are unnerved and disoriented. Their annoyance and scorn is spewing forth in review after review. Garcia blew it. If only his characters had spoken with accents like John Belushi's as a Saturday Night Live Killer Bee! If only they'd dressed like The Three Amigos! If only they'd behaved like Cheech and Chong! If only they'd mimicked the mannerisms and gait of Freddie Prinze in Chico and the Man! If only the women had piled a roadside fruit stand on their head like Carmen Miranda in Road to Rio! If only the cast had looked like the little guy who handles my luggage when I visit Cancun! Or the guys who do my lawn! Everybody knows that's what Hispanics look like! If only masses of Cubans had been shown toiling in salt mines like Spartacus, or picking crops like Tom Joad or getting lashed by a vicious landlord like Kunta Kinte, or hustling for a living like Ratso Rizzo! In a movie about the Cuban revolution, we almost never see any of the working poor for whom the revolution was supposedly fought,sniffs Peter Reiner in The Christian Science Monitor. The Lost City misses historical complexity. Actually what's missing is Mr. Reiner's historical knowledge. Andy Garcia and screenwriter Guillermo Cabrera Infante knew full well that the working poor had no role in the stage of the Cuban Revolution shown in the movie. The Anti-Batista rebellion was led and staffed overwhelmingly by Cuba's middle � and especially, upper � class. To wit: in August of 1957 Castro's rebel movement called for a National Strike against the Batista dictatorship � and threatened to shoot workers who reported to work. The National Strike was completely ignored. Another was called for April 9, 1958. And again Cuban workers blew a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andy Garcia's Cuba movie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/2/06 11:38:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter, do you think that most Americans -- other than Cuban- Americans -- have the wrong impression about Cuba and Castro? That is, that it is some sort of socialist paradise? Shemp I think most democrats/liberals simply envy the free health care and free college education. Thus it's a socialist workers paradise. FWIW, the Democrats/liberals I know are well aware of Cuba's problems and certainly don't consider it a paradise of any kind. On the other hand, they don't think it's *quite* such a hellhole as it is portrayed by the right wing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Andy Garcia's Cuba movie
In a message dated 5/2/06 12:09:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW, the Democrats/liberals I know are well aware ofCuba's problems and certainly don't consider it a"paradise" of any kind. On the other hand, they don'tthink it's *quite* such a hellhole as it is portrayedby the right wing. Well I'm sure what many would find to be a hell hole would be quite comfy for others, at least for a little while. I'm just not comfortable with being rationed the bare necessities of life, like food. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andy Garcia's Cuba movie
I heard that 50% of the Cuban population survive on Prostitution.?? Sir, McGurk, Have you seen Steven Speilberg's movie "Amistad", Which is a true story about African Slavery.! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 16:05:12 EDTSubject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Andy Garcia's Cuba movieWell I'm sure what many would find to be a hell hole would be quite comfy for others, at least for a little while. I'm just not comfortable with being rationed the bare necessities of life, like food. Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andy Garcia's Cuba movie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having lived in south florida for 13 years and having gone to graduate school with many second generation Cubans who fled Fidel's revolution and having professors who taught in cuba before and after the revolution I have learned quite a bit about Che and Fidel and their revolution. I am in full agreement with Mr. Fontova. Fidel ruined that country. * Low consciousness ruined Cuba, which was so weak and stupid that Castro, with an army of only 300 (versus Batista's army of 10,000 looking for him), was able to take over the country: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/COLDcastroF.htm If the people of Nepal had embraced TM and developed more expanded awareness, then they would not now be faced with a threat from Maoist rebels who want to introduce the chaos and brutality of Communism. Rebel leaders, or any leaders for that matter, are just a function of low consciousness in the nation, which is why the USA is stuck with Dumbya and the people of Cuba also have a moron for leader. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andy Garcia's Cuba movie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard that 50% of the Cuban population survive on Prostitution.?? I don't think it's that high. The ironic thing is that Cuba survived for years not on the success of the communist system but on the subsidy by the Soviet Union of about US$10 billion/year. Then when communism fell and the subsidies stopped, Cuba went into a serious downward spiral where alot of people starved, etc. What pulled them out? Capitalism: 1) alot of investment by Germans, Spanish, and Canadians and a big push for tourism; and 2) more than anything, the U.S. Dollar which Castro then allowed to be brought into Cuba by Cubans from their Miami relatives. So, ironically, the only reason this socialist paradise even remotely survived was because of capitalism! Sir, McGurk, Have you seen Steven Speilberg's movie Amistad, Yes, I have. Which is a true story about African Slavery.! ...but may not be a true story of Cinque, the African Slave who revolted on the ship. One story I heard is that once Cinque was freed (after the trial depicted in the film), he returned to Africa and became quite a successful entrepreneur. And guess which field of endeavor he became successful in? Cinque became a slave-trader! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 16:05:12 EDT Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Andy Garcia's Cuba movie Well I'm sure what many would find to be a hell hole would be quite comfy for others, at least for a little while. I'm just not comfortable with being rationed the bare necessities of life, like food. - Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
