[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > on 8/19/05 3:48 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > > In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood,
> > > the common man and the disadvantaged.
> > 
> > Maybe he became that way, but during the period the movie portrays, 
> > he was young, innocent, and idealistic.
> 
> So was Hitler when he was selling his paintings on the streets of 
> Vienna.

And that youthful, unspoiled, still hopeful and still
human part of Hitler was still present during his most
despicable acts.  It's *easy* to "bag" someone for their
worst deeds, not as easy to remember that every one of
us has the potential to do similar things within us.

Hell, if the Tibetan view of how many incarnations weve
spent on this rock (10,000+ as humans) is correct, each
of us *has* probably done equally despicable things.
And it's Light doing all of them, to Light.  Go figure.

Even Dubya must have a good side.  I know...it's that
there's never really been a cow slaughtered on that 
movie-set "ranch" of his.  He's allowing the future
spiritual teachers of the world to grow to maturity.  :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 8/19/05 3:48 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood,
> > the common man and the disadvantaged.
> 
> Maybe he became that way, but during the period the movie portrays, 
> he was young, innocent, and idealistic.

Besides, it's a Road Trip movie.  The quest or
pilgrimage always has a spiritual component 
to it.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > on 8/19/05 2:00 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > > Haven't seen this one, but I doubt a movie about the mass-
> > > murderer Che Guevara, if good, could be possibly be true to 
> > > the reality.
> > 
> > It portrays him as an intelligent, compassionate medical student 
> > who relates easily to the common man and the disadvantaged.
> 
> In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood, 
> the common man and the disadvantaged.

In reality, neither does George W. Bush.  The 
difference seems to have been that Che did most
of his murdering in the pursuit of unrealistic
ideals while George has other people do the
murdering so his friends can make money.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[akasha_108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > on 8/19/05 3:48 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > > In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood,
> > > the common man and the disadvantaged.
> > 
> > Maybe he became that way, but during the period the movie portrays, 
> he was young, innocent, and idealistic.
> 
> So was Hitler when he was selling his paintings on the streets of 
> Vienna.


I just saw the film two days ago so its fresh in my mind. My takeaway
was that Che was infused with what most would view as commom virtures
-- caring, kind, decicated, willing to scarifice for others, smart,
humorous, adventurous. While the film may have taken some dramatic
liberties, it is based on his diaries and I have not heard of critical
complaints that the film deviates greatly. 

The film depicts his virtures, yet only a taint of idealism at that
age. The film ends with him perplexed and pondering what his trip
around South America had meant. He admitted it would be some time
before it fully sunk in. But he knew the disquieting feeling  revolved
around seeing the injustice to so many. 

The point of the film, to me, was to ask, "what converted the gentler
and kinder Che to a full-out revolutionary"? Che's conversion appeared
to have been, while living in Gautamaula, the CIA-backed coup and
assasination of democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatamala
in 1954 who was implementing his land-reform platform. 

The film forces one to ask, "living with the same experiences, would I
have followed a similar path? Or, if not, why not? Would I have simply
looked the other way, eyes locked to the ground? And what am I turning
my eyes from thes days?"

The film, in general scope, could have been about almost any of us in
our 20s, gennerally aimably, helpful folks, trying to do good things,
aventurously wandering about.  Plus we were far more idealistic and
locked-into a specific vision of transformation than he was in his mid
20's, the period of the film. A parallel question the film rasi3ed in
my mind, "what caused some of us to go another way? Did we forgow our
youthful ideals. And what caused some to become life-long true
believing revolutionaries -- long after the revolution appears to have
become corrupt and stale?"









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[Patrick Gillam]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote:
>
> Yet, somehow, it is fashionable today to wear Che T-Shirts and to make 
> movies about his early years, whether it's riding a motorcycle or 
> singing to Madonna and the Perons.

Violent fundamentalism is in! Get with it, everyone! Show you 
have something to live for by making someone suffer for your beliefs!




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 8/19/05 3:48 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood,
> > the common man and the disadvantaged.
> 
> Maybe he became that way, but during the period the movie portrays, 
he was
> young, innocent, and idealistic.

So was Hitler when he was selling his paintings on the streets of 
Vienna.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[Rick Archer]

on 8/19/05 3:46 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm impressed, Rick, that you've seen practically all the movies on
> the list...am I to assume you saw most of them on DVD?  I assume
> that because, living in Fairfield, I don't think you could see alot
> of first run films that are mostly independent type films around the
> Fairfield area.

Mostly DVD's but we get pretty good stuff at the local theatre - saw The
Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill recently - and there's a multiplex in
Ottumwa.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> shempmcgurk wrote:
> >  
> > In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood, 
> > the common man and the disadvantaged.
> 
> Isn't this typical of ideologues? No violence to great for the 
higher good?

Yes.

And most typical of Fidel's and Che's violence and prejudice was how 
they treated homosexuals, which was to lock them up in concentration 
camps and generally make their lives miserable.

Yet, somehow, it is fashionable today to wear Che T-Shirts and to make 
movies about his early years, whether it's riding a motorcycle or 
singing to Madonna and the Perons.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[Rick Archer]

on 8/19/05 3:48 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood,
> the common man and the disadvantaged.

Maybe he became that way, but during the period the movie portrays, he was
young, innocent, and idealistic.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[Patrick Gillam]

shempmcgurk wrote:
>  
> In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood, 
> the common man and the disadvantaged.

Isn't this typical of ideologues? No violence to great for the higher good?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 8/19/05 2:00 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >> Spirituality and Health magazine (www.spiritualityhealth.com
> >>  ) gave awards for "the Most
> > Spiritually
> >> Literate Films of the Year".  Among the winners were
> >>  
> >> The Motorcycle Diaries
> > 
> > 
> > Haven't seen this one, but I doubt a movie about the mass-
murderer
> > Che Guevara, if good, could be possibly be true to the reality.
> 
> It portrays him as an intelligent, compassionate medical student 
who relates
> easily to the common man and the disadvantaged.



In reality, Che had no compunction about murdering, in cold blood, 
the common man and the disadvantaged.



> > 
> >> Hotel Rwanda
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I didn't go see it because I can't stomach the thought of seeing 
yet
> > one more movie about a holocaust...
> 
> I liked it, for what it's worth.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 8/19/05 1:34 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >> Spirituality and Health magazine (www.spiritualityhealth.com
> >>  ) gave awards for "the Most
> >> Spiritually Literate Films of the Year".  Among the winners were
> >>  
> >> The Motorcycle Diaries *
> >> Finding Neverland *
> >> Maria Full of Grace *
> >> Hotel Rwanda
> >> A Very Long Engagement *
> >> Osama
> >> I Heart Huckabees
> >> House of Flying Daggers
> >> Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind *
> >> Goodbye, Lenin! *
> > 
> > Cool.  Thanks for posting this.  I've seen the
> > ones starred above, and agree with the commendation.
> > If the others are as good, I'll be a happy viewer...
> 
> In addition to the ones you've starred, I've also seen Rwanda and 
Huckabees.
> I think you'll like them both. Also see Spring, Summer, Fall, 
Winter,
> Spring.  Don't know why it didn't make this list.
> 
> How was Goodbye, Lenin!? I haven't seen that.


Wow.

I'm impressed, Rick, that you've seen practically all the movies on 
the list...am I to assume you saw most of them on DVD?  I assume 
that because, living in Fairfield, I don't think you could see alot 
of first run films that are mostly independent type films around the 
Fairfield area.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[Patrick Gillam]

Rick Archer wrote:

> on 8/19/05 2:00 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > I didn't go see [Hotel Rwanda] because I can't 
> > stomach the thought of seeing yet
> > one more movie about a holocaust...
> 
> I liked it, for what it's worth.

It was tough, but the overwhelming impression is of 
the courage and humanity of one man, Paul Rusesabagina, 
against a tide of evil. He simply never quit looking for ways 
to stay alive and keep others that way. Not bad inspiration 
to have at any time.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> How was Goodbye, Lenin!? I haven't seen that.

Utterly charming.  Like 'Eternal Sunshine,' it plays
with the notion of reality and the binding or liberating
effect of memory.  When his mother comes out of a long
coma in 1990, her son thinks he has to protect her from 
the shock of learning that her beloved East Germany 
doesn't really exist any more.  Much fun ensues.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[Rick Archer]

on 8/19/05 2:00 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Spirituality and Health magazine (www.spiritualityhealth.com
>>  ) gave awards for "the Most
> Spiritually
>> Literate Films of the Year".  Among the winners were
>>  
>> The Motorcycle Diaries
> 
> 
> Haven't seen this one, but I doubt a movie about the mass-murderer
> Che Guevara, if good, could be possibly be true to the reality.

It portrays him as an intelligent, compassionate medical student who relates
easily to the common man and the disadvantaged.
> 
>> Hotel Rwanda
> 
> 
> 
> I didn't go see it because I can't stomach the thought of seeing yet
> one more movie about a holocaust...

I liked it, for what it's worth.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[Rick Archer]

on 8/19/05 1:34 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Spirituality and Health magazine (www.spiritualityhealth.com
>>  ) gave awards for "the Most
>> Spiritually Literate Films of the Year".  Among the winners were
>>  
>> The Motorcycle Diaries *
>> Finding Neverland *
>> Maria Full of Grace *
>> Hotel Rwanda
>> A Very Long Engagement *
>> Osama
>> I Heart Huckabees
>> House of Flying Daggers
>> Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind *
>> Goodbye, Lenin! *
> 
> Cool.  Thanks for posting this.  I've seen the
> ones starred above, and agree with the commendation.
> If the others are as good, I'll be a happy viewer...

In addition to the ones you've starred, I've also seen Rwanda and Huckabees.
I think you'll like them both. Also see Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter,
Spring.  Don't know why it didn't make this list.

How was Goodbye, Lenin!? I haven't seen that.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > Spirituality and Health magazine (www.spiritualityhealth.com
> >  ) gave awards for "the Most 
> > Spiritually Literate Films of the Year".  Among the winners were
> >  
> > The Motorcycle Diaries *
> > Finding Neverland *
> > Maria Full of Grace *
> > Hotel Rwanda
> > A Very Long Engagement *
> > Osama
> > I Heart Huckabees
> > House of Flying Daggers
> > Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind *
> > Goodbye, Lenin! *
> 
> Cool.  Thanks for posting this.  I've seen the 
> ones starred above, and agree with the commendation.
> If the others are as good, I'll be a happy viewer...


Something weird has happened to me in the last few years: I've found 
that the best movies I've seen are ones geared towards children with 
a "Bullwinkle" bent.

What do I mean by a "Bullwinkle" bent?  "Bullwinkle" was a 
children's cartoon show from the 1960s that was geared towards 
children but had a wit and sophistication that could also be enjoyed 
by adults.

The following movies are children's movies that I believe 
are "Bullwinkle" movies:

Lemony Snicket
Cat in the Hat
The Grinch that stole Christmas




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Spirituality and Health magazine (www.spiritualityhealth.com
>  ) gave awards for "the Most 
Spiritually
> Literate Films of the Year".  Among the winners were
>  
> The Motorcycle Diaries


Haven't seen this one, but I doubt a movie about the mass-murderer 
Che Guevara, if good, could be possibly be true to the reality.




> Finding Neverland



Just okay although anything Johnny Depp does is great just to see 
him...


> Maria Full of Grace



Best movie of the group although I wouldn't call it more "spiritual" 
than any of the others...



> Hotel Rwanda



I didn't go see it because I can't stomach the thought of seeing yet 
one more movie about a holocaust...



> A Very Long Engagement
> Osama
> I Heart Huckabees



I saw this movie solely on the strength that the same director 
did "Flirting with Disaster" which is one of the best comedies I've 
ever seen.  I didn't get "Huckabees" but am willing to give it 
another chance.



> House of Flying Daggers


Pretty good!  Anything with Zhang Ziyi is worth seeing...she's one 
of the most beautiful women in the world (same girl from "Crouching 
Tiger")...


> Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind


Okay...but why "spiritual"?


> Goodbye, Lenin!




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Best spiritual films of the year

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Spirituality and Health magazine (www.spiritualityhealth.com
>  ) gave awards for "the Most 
> Spiritually Literate Films of the Year".  Among the winners were
>  
> The Motorcycle Diaries *
> Finding Neverland *
> Maria Full of Grace *
> Hotel Rwanda
> A Very Long Engagement *
> Osama
> I Heart Huckabees
> House of Flying Daggers
> Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind *
> Goodbye, Lenin! *

Cool.  Thanks for posting this.  I've seen the 
ones starred above, and agree with the commendation.
If the others are as good, I'll be a happy viewer...






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