[FairfieldLife] Re: Fuck "Kumbayah"

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:
>
> 
> Yes, but in every primitive society, and all societies, there were
> Shaman who lived on the outskirts, living a life of oneness with nature,
> no real need to rely on the society for survival, and entering into a
> spiritual dialog with the larger consciousness of Nature (and they often
> lived well into their nineties, if they were not in wars.) They saw a
> deeper truth, outside of the "one-lifers", and it is their wisdom from
> around the world that modern man can learn from., and that are being
> focused on in those ads etc.
> 
> Your alternative is to say that there is no wisdom in Man. It is a
> possiblity, but that view has no legs to walk on. This blog you quoted
> shows ignorance of the right-wing mind-set.





I totally agree with you about the Shaman and everything else.

What I object to is the  blind belief that native Americans as a whole were 
somehow better stewards of the environment, which they were not.





> 
> (Shit ! --- I gotta go get in a traffic jam to do some xmas shopping !
> That stuff sneaks up on you ! :-)
> 
> OffWorld
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "ShempMcGurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > At Comic Con 2009, Cameron told attendees that he wanted to
> > > make "something that has this spoonful of sugar of all the
> > > action and the adventure and all that". He wanted this to
> > > thrill him "as a fan" but also have a conscience "that
> > > maybe in the enjoying of it makes you think a little bit
> > > about the way you interact with nature and your fellow man".
> > > He added that "the Na'vi represent something that is our
> > > higher selves, or our aspirational selves, what we would
> > > like to think we are" and that even though there are good
> > > humans within the film, the humans "represent what we know
> > > to be the parts of ourselves that are trashing our world
> > > and maybe condemning ourselves to a grim future."
> >
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >
> > Fuck "Kumbayah" and the horse it rode in on.
> >
> > The myth of the Noble Savage at one with nature is just that: a myth.
> >
> > Certainly at least as far as the native peoples of North America are
> concerned.  In addition to practising slavery (some tribes) and living
> the ideal of Darwinism and Social Darwinism (survival of the fittest
> taken to the Nth degree), North American aboriginals were far from the
> caring environmentalists and "stewards of the flora and fauna" that
> Hollywood and liberals make them out to be.
> >
> > For example, if a plains Indian wanted to munch on some buffalo meat,
> he didn't think twice about directing a herd of, say, 1,000 bison off a
> cliff just so he could get a thigh or a leg off of one to bring home for
> a snack.
> >
> > Want some land to live off of?  Why, simply torch a few thousand acres
> of forest so you can have the convenience of 200 square feet to pitch
> your teepee.
> >
> > Remember that crying Indian in those public service environmental
> commercials from the '60s and '70s?  Well, the myth of the
> one-with-nature Indian was as fake as the Indian who appeared in those
> commercials: he turned out to be an Italian-American from Brooklyn.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fuck "Kumbayah"

[off_world_beings]

Yes, but in every primitive society, and all societies, there were
Shaman who lived on the outskirts, living a life of oneness with nature,
no real need to rely on the society for survival, and entering into a
spiritual dialog with the larger consciousness of Nature (and they often
lived well into their nineties, if they were not in wars.) They saw a
deeper truth, outside of the "one-lifers", and it is their wisdom from
around the world that modern man can learn from., and that are being
focused on in those ads etc.

Your alternative is to say that there is no wisdom in Man. It is a
possiblity, but that view has no legs to walk on. This blog you quoted
shows ignorance of the right-wing mind-set.

(Shit ! --- I gotta go get in a traffic jam to do some xmas shopping !
That stuff sneaks up on you ! :-)

OffWorld

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "ShempMcGurk" 
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
>
> [snip]
>
>
>
>
> >
> > At Comic Con 2009, Cameron told attendees that he wanted to
> > make "something that has this spoonful of sugar of all the
> > action and the adventure and all that". He wanted this to
> > thrill him "as a fan" but also have a conscience "that
> > maybe in the enjoying of it makes you think a little bit
> > about the way you interact with nature and your fellow man".
> > He added that "the Na'vi represent something that is our
> > higher selves, or our aspirational selves, what we would
> > like to think we are" and that even though there are good
> > humans within the film, the humans "represent what we know
> > to be the parts of ourselves that are trashing our world
> > and maybe condemning ourselves to a grim future."
>
>
> [snip]
>
>
> Fuck "Kumbayah" and the horse it rode in on.
>
> The myth of the Noble Savage at one with nature is just that: a myth.
>
> Certainly at least as far as the native peoples of North America are
concerned.  In addition to practising slavery (some tribes) and living
the ideal of Darwinism and Social Darwinism (survival of the fittest
taken to the Nth degree), North American aboriginals were far from the
caring environmentalists and "stewards of the flora and fauna" that
Hollywood and liberals make them out to be.
>
> For example, if a plains Indian wanted to munch on some buffalo meat,
he didn't think twice about directing a herd of, say, 1,000 bison off a
cliff just so he could get a thigh or a leg off of one to bring home for
a snack.
>
> Want some land to live off of?  Why, simply torch a few thousand acres
of forest so you can have the convenience of 200 square feet to pitch
your teepee.
>
> Remember that crying Indian in those public service environmental
commercials from the '60s and '70s?  Well, the myth of the
one-with-nature Indian was as fake as the Indian who appeared in those
commercials: he turned out to be an Italian-American from Brooklyn.
>