[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

2009-04-14 Thread Hugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... 
wrote:

   In Finland, Sweden and Denmark, traditions include 
   egg painting and small children dressed as witches 
   collecting candy door-to-door, in 
   exchange for decorated pussy willows. 
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter
  
 Hugo wrote: 
  Nah, easter is a pagan festival of spring rebirth and 
  fertility. The early christians moved their festival over
  it to stop all that dancing round maypoles and general 
  friskiness.
  
 Can you cite any evidence that Easter is a 'pagan festival
 of spring rebirth', Hugo? From what I've read, Easter is 
 part of the Jewish Passover rite.

Yeah, it's obvious. Bunny rabbits, eggs. Come on it's got
nothing to do with resurrection its all fertility. And as
for maypoles!

http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter1.htm

http://www.holidays.net/easter/story.htm



[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

2009-04-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
 
  Once again:   God...dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands
  
  God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of 
  heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands
  Acts 17:24
  
  
  Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God 
  dwelleth in you?
  1 Corinthians 3:16
 
 So let's see, if God dwells in you and you go to a temple, does God then 
 dwell in the temple too? Try not to strain too muchduh!


Right wing Republican Christianity?

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Matthew 15:9

Jesus answered, My kingdom is NOT of this world
John 18:36 [KJV]


The Kingdom of God commeth NOT with observation:

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! 

for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Luke 17:20-21


--Read the following words again, BillyG: 

God...dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands
 
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of 
heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands
Acts 17:24








[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

2009-04-13 Thread grate . swan
Well, since he bible has been so right on so many moral and prognastic issues, 
I for one am wholeheartedly taking these quotes as revealed truth. The gospel 
truth!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
  
  
   Once again:   God...dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands
   
   God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of 
   heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands
   Acts 17:24
   
   
   Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God 
   dwelleth in you?
   1 Corinthians 3:16
  
  So let's see, if God dwells in you and you go to a temple, does God then 
  dwell in the temple too? Try not to strain too muchduh!
 
 
 Right wing Republican Christianity?
 
 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of 
 men.
 Matthew 15:9
 
 Jesus answered, My kingdom is NOT of this world
 John 18:36 [KJV]
 
 
 The Kingdom of God commeth NOT with observation:
 
 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! 
 
 for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
 Luke 17:20-21
 
 
 --Read the following words again, BillyG: 
 
 God...dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands
  
 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of 
 heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands
 Acts 17:24





[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

2009-04-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote:

 Well, since he bible has been so right on so many moral and prognastic 
 issues, I for one am wholeheartedly taking these quotes as revealed truth. 
 The gospel truth!



There are caveats. You have to have the eyes to see and the ears to hear.


And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye 
shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not 
perceive
Matthew 13:14




 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
   
   
Once again:   God...dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands

God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord 
of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands
Acts 17:24


Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God 
dwelleth in you?
1 Corinthians 3:16
   
   So let's see, if God dwells in you and you go to a temple, does God then 
   dwell in the temple too? Try not to strain too muchduh!
  
  
  Right wing Republican Christianity?
  
  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of 
  men.
  Matthew 15:9
  
  Jesus answered, My kingdom is NOT of this world
  John 18:36 [KJV]
  
  
  The Kingdom of God commeth NOT with observation:
  
  Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! 
  
  for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
  Luke 17:20-21
  
  
  --Read the following words again, BillyG: 
  
  God...dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands
   
  God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of 
  heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands
  Acts 17:24
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

2009-04-12 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
  
   Photo: 
   http://www.flickr.com/photos/biomechanic/3165721000/in/pool-farside
  
  This is hilarious because over dinner last
  night with Spanish friends, I learned that
  there is no tradition of the Easter bunny
  here. Instead, they have an Easter chicken.
  
  Today I took a long walk with my dogs and
  was passing the Cathedral in Sitges just as
  the Easter worshippers were emerging. Call
  me jaded, but the vast majority of them did
  not appear to be happy to me after celebrating
  the return from the dead of their Savior. In
  fact, most of them were frowning and looked
  more as if they had been visited by the
  chicken of Depression. Go figure.  :-)
 
 
 Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, Let the dead bury their dead.

Which meant, those who are blinded by materialism (no spiritual insight) are 
spiritually 'dead', their consciousness lives on the surface of the skin only, 
they have no intuitive realizations and/or experience of the superior bliss of 
spirit. They're 'dead' to spiritual awareness, their own Self!

Just because someone goes to church doesn't mean they walk away with a grin on 
their face all day.  Spiritual introspection brings the sincere soul the 
guidance it needs, be it joy OR sorrow.

Only a fool finds security in the temporal fleeting joys of the senses, he 
finds he builds his foundation upon sand and it crumbles in time whereas the 
superior joys of God realization survive even the grave.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

2009-04-12 Thread Richard J. Williams
  This is hilarious because over dinner last
  night with Spanish friends, I learned that
  there is no tradition of the Easter bunny
  here. Instead, they have an Easter chicken.
  
So, Turq was probably eating a dead chicken to
celebrate Easter? 

  Today I took a long walk with my dogs and
  was passing the Cathedral in Sitges just as
  the Easter worshippers were emerging. Call
  me jaded, but the vast majority of them did
  not appear to be happy to me after celebrating
  the return from the dead of their Savior. In
  fact, most of them were frowning and looked
  more as if they had been visited by the
  chicken of Depression. Go figure.  :-)
 
do.rflex
 Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, 
 Let the dead bury their dead.

The Easter celebration is to honor the 'resurrection',
not the death of the savior, Mr. Manning. You live 
in a Catholic country, so you should probably be 
knowing this. 

In Finland, Sweden and Denmark, traditions include 
egg painting and small children dressed as witches 
collecting candy door-to-door, in 
exchange for decorated pussy willows. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter



[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

2009-04-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 Photo: 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/biomechanic/3165721000/in/pool-farside

This is hilarious because over dinner last
night with Spanish friends, I learned that
there is no tradition of the Easter bunny
here. Instead, they have an Easter chicken.

Today I took a long walk with my dogs and
was passing the Cathedral in Sitges just as
the Easter worshippers were emerging. Call
me jaded, but the vast majority of them did
not appear to be happy to me after celebrating
the return from the dead of their Savior. In
fact, most of them were frowning and looked
more as if they had been visited by the
chicken of Depression. Go figure.  :-)





[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

2009-04-12 Thread Hugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... 
wrote:

   This is hilarious because over dinner last
   night with Spanish friends, I learned that
   there is no tradition of the Easter bunny
   here. Instead, they have an Easter chicken.
   
 So, Turq was probably eating a dead chicken to
 celebrate Easter? 
 
   Today I took a long walk with my dogs and
   was passing the Cathedral in Sitges just as
   the Easter worshippers were emerging. Call
   me jaded, but the vast majority of them did
   not appear to be happy to me after celebrating
   the return from the dead of their Savior. In
   fact, most of them were frowning and looked
   more as if they had been visited by the
   chicken of Depression. Go figure.  :-)
  
 do.rflex
  Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, 
  Let the dead bury their dead.
 
 The Easter celebration is to honor the 'resurrection',
 not the death of the savior, Mr. Manning. You live 
 in a Catholic country, so you should probably be 
 knowing this. 
 
 In Finland, Sweden and Denmark, traditions include 
 egg painting and small children dressed as witches 
 collecting candy door-to-door, in 
 exchange for decorated pussy willows. 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter


Nah, easter is a pagan festival of spring rebirth and 
fertility. The early christians moved their festival over
it to stop all that dancing round maypoles and general 
friskiness.

I think it struggles quite amusingly when they try and pass 
easter eggs off as symbolic of Christ being re-born. Can't 
see the harm in celebrating both festivals on the same day 
myself.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

2009-04-12 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  Photo: 
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/biomechanic/3165721000/in/pool-farside
 
 This is hilarious because over dinner last
 night with Spanish friends, I learned that
 there is no tradition of the Easter bunny
 here. Instead, they have an Easter chicken.
 
 Today I took a long walk with my dogs and
 was passing the Cathedral in Sitges just as
 the Easter worshippers were emerging. Call
 me jaded, but the vast majority of them did
 not appear to be happy to me after celebrating
 the return from the dead of their Savior. In
 fact, most of them were frowning and looked
 more as if they had been visited by the
 chicken of Depression. Go figure.  :-)


Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, Let the dead bury their dead.









[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

2009-04-12 Thread Richard J. Williams
  In Finland, Sweden and Denmark, traditions include 
  egg painting and small children dressed as witches 
  collecting candy door-to-door, in 
  exchange for decorated pussy willows. 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter
 
Hugo wrote: 
 Nah, easter is a pagan festival of spring rebirth and 
 fertility. The early christians moved their festival over
 it to stop all that dancing round maypoles and general 
 friskiness.
 
Can you cite any evidence that Easter is a 'pagan festival
of spring rebirth', Hugo? From what I've read, Easter is 
part of the Jewish Passover rite.

The implications of the goddess have resulted in scholarly 
theories about whether or not Eostre is an invention of 
Bede...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter



[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

2009-04-12 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
   
Photo: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/biomechanic/3165721000/in/pool-farside
   
   This is hilarious because over dinner last
   night with Spanish friends, I learned that
   there is no tradition of the Easter bunny
   here. Instead, they have an Easter chicken.
   
   Today I took a long walk with my dogs and
   was passing the Cathedral in Sitges just as
   the Easter worshippers were emerging. Call
   me jaded, but the vast majority of them did
   not appear to be happy to me after celebrating
   the return from the dead of their Savior. In
   fact, most of them were frowning and looked
   more as if they had been visited by the
   chicken of Depression. Go figure.  :-)
  
  
  Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, Let the dead bury their dead.
 
 Which meant, those who are blinded by materialism (no spiritual insight) are 
 spiritually 'dead', their consciousness lives on the surface of the skin 
 only, they have no intuitive realizations and/or experience of the superior 
 bliss of spirit. They're 'dead' to spiritual awareness, their own Self!
 
 Just because someone goes to church doesn't mean they walk away with a grin 
 on their face all day.  Spiritual introspection brings the sincere soul the 
 guidance it needs, be it joy OR sorrow.
 
 Only a fool finds security in the temporal fleeting joys of the senses, he 
 finds he builds his foundation upon sand and it crumbles in time whereas the 
 superior joys of God realization survive even the grave.


Humanly contrived and organized churches and their dogmas are not the source 
for God-realization. They are more often than not, a direct obstacle.


Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of 
the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,...who changed 
the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than 
the Creator, who is blessed for ever.
Rom. 1:22-25


God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of 
heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands
Acts 17:24











[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

2009-04-12 Thread Marek Reavis
Just to piggyback on this post as the bird threads are winding down, and 
because it involves a chicken. . .

When first living in Davis when my (now former) spouse was beginning her 
residency and I was being the househusband so the kids would have a parent at 
home, I worked part-time at a bookstore.  While there I met a woman whose uncle 
was a retired lawyer in Stockton, and who lived on a century-old walnut ranch 
where he had become a chickenhead (his term).  My daughter and I had the 
opportunity to visit his ranch and it was an amazing experience.

It was an original homestead parcel, 240 acres with huge walnut trees that must 
have produced a lot of walnuts and a lot of income still, a beautiful old home 
with lots of additions over the years, fruit trees, big palms, willows, and 
ornamentals, and (literally) thousands of chickens.  The scrub chickens were 
everywhere, just hanging about and roosting wherever they wanted.  Everywhere 
you looked there were chickens.

But the good chickens had their own runs and roosts, segregated by types so 
they were purebreds, and there were more of them than the scrubs.  The 
chickenhead lawyer told me at the time (1991) that his feed bill was close to a 
thousand dollars a month.  We spent an afternoon (before the barbecue -- scrub 
chicken, of course) walking around all the different enclosed runs and it was 
amazing.  There are so many different types of chickens and many of them are 
absolutely stunning birds.

You could see how much he cared for his birds and how much they meant to him.  
He just loved to have them around and to take care of them.  His hobby had 
grown to encompass other birds as well, including all sorts of pheasants and 
even some tropicals for whom he had built regulared indoor runs.  All the birds 
had plenty of room to roam, roost and fly as they desired.  It was an 
extraodinary private operation.

The one memory that sticks with me the most as we were walking around his 
property was an african stork he had in an outdoor pen.  It was a female, 
almost 6-feet tall, or nearabouts, and she was, apparently, in love with the 
lawyer.  While we walked up to her pen, as soon as she saw him coming, she came 
close to the fence, opened her huge wings, and began this hopping dance for him 
that, he told us, was a mating ritual.  He went inside and danced with her for 
several minutes, the two of them hopping, bobbing, and weaving together and 
obviously digging the whole interaction.  He told us she did this everytime she 
saw him and that he usually danced with her everytime, too.

For the birds.

**



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

2009-04-12 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

   Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, Let the dead bury their 
   dead.
  
  Which meant, those who are blinded by materialism (no spiritual insight) 
  are spiritually 'dead', their consciousness lives on the surface of the 
  skin only, they have no intuitive realizations and/or experience of the 
  superior bliss of spirit. They're 'dead' to spiritual awareness, their own 
  Self!
  
  Just because someone goes to church doesn't mean they walk away with a grin 
  on their face all day.  Spiritual introspection brings the sincere soul the 
  guidance it needs, be it joy OR sorrow.
  
  Only a fool finds security in the temporal fleeting joys of the senses, he 
  finds he builds his foundation upon sand and it crumbles in time whereas 
  the superior joys of God realization survive even the grave.
 
 
 Humanly contrived and organized churches and their dogmas are not the source 
 for God-realization. They are more often than not, a direct obstacle.

True Religion is a source for God Realization, who are you to say one is not 
practicing true Religion and to condemn them all outright?

 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory 
 of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,...who 
 changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature 
 more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.
 Rom. 1:22-25

Meaning IMHO, they worshiped *gold* and material objects more than God himself, 
the creator of these items. Idolatry is putting material pleasure and 
possessions above God making 'them' false gods.

 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of 
 heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands.
 Acts 17:24

Because essentially a church is not merely a structure built by hands but a 
temple where-in God is dwelling in the hearts of its builders.  If it were 
merely a structure without sincere supplication of the Lord it would be empty 
indeed! The vibrations of the church are not built by hands but by the sincere 
devotion of the members.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

2009-04-12 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
Grim, fer shure. I think that 'savior' said, Let the dead bury their 
dead.
   
   Which meant, those who are blinded by materialism (no spiritual insight) 
   are spiritually 'dead', their consciousness lives on the surface of the 
   skin only, they have no intuitive realizations and/or experience of the 
   superior bliss of spirit. They're 'dead' to spiritual awareness, their 
   own Self!
   
   Just because someone goes to church doesn't mean they walk away with a 
   grin on their face all day.  Spiritual introspection brings the sincere 
   soul the guidance it needs, be it joy OR sorrow.
   
   Only a fool finds security in the temporal fleeting joys of the senses, 
   he finds he builds his foundation upon sand and it crumbles in time 
   whereas the superior joys of God realization survive even the grave.
  
  
  Humanly contrived and organized churches and their dogmas are not the 
  source for God-realization. They are more often than not, a direct obstacle.
 
 True Religion is a source for God Realization, who are you to say one is not 
 practicing true Religion and to condemn them all outright?
 
  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory 
  of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,...who 
  changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature 
  more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.
  Rom. 1:22-25
 
 Meaning IMHO, they worshiped *gold* and material objects more than God 
 himself, the creator of these items. Idolatry is putting material pleasure 
 and possessions above God making 'them' false gods.
 
  God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of 
  heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands.
  Acts 17:24
 
 Because essentially a church is not merely a structure built by hands but a 
 temple where-in God is dwelling in the hearts of its builders.   If it were 
 merely a structure without sincere supplication of the Lord it would be empty 
 indeed! The vibrations of the church are not built by hands but by the sincere
devotion of the members.

++


Once again:   God...dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands

God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of 
heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands
Acts 17:24


Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth 
in you?
1 Corinthians 3:16


Humanly organized religion and it's dogmas and its buildings are not definitive 
of God - nor are they a substitute for God. They are definitive of human 
organization with all of its human limitations. 

Humanly organized religion and it's dogmas and its buildings are NOT the source 
of God. Only God is the source of God.


Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world
John 18:36













[FairfieldLife] Re: Happiness is relative

2009-04-12 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:


 Once again:   God...dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands
 
 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of 
 heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands
 Acts 17:24
 
 
 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God 
 dwelleth in you?
 1 Corinthians 3:16

So let's see, if God dwells in you and you go to a temple, does God then dwell 
in the temple too? Try not to strain too muchduh!