[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqis May Experience Sadness
Judy, Surely you posted this article for the sole reason of showing how racist a POV can be. Please say so if it's so, cuz otherwise . . . For western science to have the audacity to claim that Iraqis are, what?, inferior, animalesque, inhuman and that, surprise surprise, they can have some faint feelings of sadness is outrageous propaganda. This is completely and only an article to prepare the masses to think that the Arabs don't even have feelings when we bomb them. How can you face yourself for posting this and helping the hate-machine do its work of preparing us for, say, bombing Iran? Oops! NO FUCKING FAIR -- I just now see that it's an Onion satire, but one can only know that by going to the link. Judy, you deserve some sort of punishment. I vote for Turq to determine it. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Study: Iraqis May Experience Sadness When Friends, Relatives Die July 25, 2007 Sponsored by CHAPEL HILL, NCA field study released Monday by the University of North Carolina School of Public Health suggests that Iraqi citizens experience sadness and a sense of loss when relatives, spouses, and even friends perish, emotions that have until recently been identified almost exclusively with Westerners. We were struck by how an Iraqi reacts to the sight of the bloody or decapitated corpse of a family member in a not unlike an American, or at the very least a Canadian, would, said Dr. Jonathan Pryztal, chief author of the study. In addition to the rage, bloodlust, and hatred we already know to dominate the Iraqi emotional spectrum, it appears that they may have some capacity, however limited, for sadness. Though Pryztal was quick to add that more detailed analysis is needed, he said the findings cast some doubt on long-held assumptions about human nature in that region. Contrary to conventional wisdom, it seems that Iraqis do indeed experience at least minor feelings of grief when a best friend or a grandparent is ripped apart by a car bomb or shot execution style and later unearthed in a shallow mass grave, Prytzal said. Last December's suicide-bomb killing of 71 Shiites in Baghdad, for example, produced unexpected reactions ranging from crumpled, sobbing despair to silent, dazed shock. Iraqis have often been observed weeping and wailing in apparent anguish, but the study offers evidence indicating this may not be exclusively an outward expression of anger or a desire for revenge. It also provocatively suggests that this grief can possess an American-like personal quality, and is not simply a tribal lamentation ritual. Read more at: http://tinyurl.com/2xxscg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqis May Experience Sadness
On May 5, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Duveyoung wrote: Judy, Surely you posted this article for the sole reason of showing how racist a POV can be. Please say so if it's so, cuz otherwise . . . Jesus, Edg, it's a *joke. * Did you follow the link? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqis May Experience Sadness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 5, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote: This is a weird article. The researchers seem to have assumed that Iraqis are sub-human, and are surprised that they feel sad when their children are blown to bits. How arrogant and ethnocentric. Kind of like the Nazis regarding the Jews as insects or the Founding Fathers regarding the blacks as 3/5 human. You mean that's...wrong? According to the article: Though Pryztal expects the results of the study may be of some interest to students of Arab psychology, he did concede that the data may not be entirely accurate because it was gathered directly from Iraqis themselves. Almost all the Iraqis we interviewed said the war had ruined their lives because of the incalculable loss of friends and family, Pryztal said. But to be totally honest, these types of studies can be skewed rather easily by participant exaggeration. Psychologists and anthropologists have thus far largely discounted the study, claiming it has the same bias as a 1971 Stanford University study that concluded that many Vietnamese showed signs of psychological trauma from nearly a quarter century of continuous war in southeast Asia. We are, in truth, still a long way from determining if Iraqis are exhibiting actual, U.S.-grade sadness, Mayo Clinic neuropsychologist Norman Blum said. At present, we see no reason for the popular press to report on Iraqi emotions as if they are real.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqis May Experience Sadness
I love The Onion. Sometimes, like here, they hit a 10X bullseye! Kind of like a Monty Python Mad Magazine. ~ Spiritkin
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqis May Experience Sadness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ispiritkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love The Onion. Sometimes, like here, they hit a 10X bullseye! When they're really cooking, they're the best. Did you see their post-9/11 issue? Devastating. I think it takes a special kind of insight and sensibility to be able to satirize tragedy, in a way that gets to you more profoundly than any amount of hand-wringing. It's a punch in the stomach as opposed to cheap tears. Kind of like a Monty Python Mad Magazine. ~ Spiritkin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqis May Experience Sadness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops! NO FUCKING FAIR -- I just now see that it's an Onion satire, but one can only know that by going to the link. Judy, you deserve some sort of punishment. I vote for Turq to determine it. I think she should be sentenced to ten months hard labor in Borscht belt comedy clubs, doing standup in exactly the way she did here. That is, being incapable of writing her own humor, she steals someone else's and expects to be applauded and considered clever for doing it. Even Edg can write his own material...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqis May Experience Sadness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Oops! NO FUCKING FAIR -- I just now see that it's an Onion satire, but one can only know that by going to the link. Judy, you deserve some sort of punishment. I vote for Turq to determine it. I think she should be sentenced to ten months hard labor in Borscht belt comedy clubs, doing standup in exactly the way she did here. That is, being incapable of writing her own humor, she steals someone else's and expects to be applauded and considered clever for doing it. Wow. You consider the Onion piece *humor*? Even Edg can write his own material...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqis May Experience Sadness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it takes a special kind of insight and sensibility to be able to satirize tragedy, in a way that gets to you more profoundly than any amount of hand-wringing. Yep. A bonus for The Onion is the non-FalsiFiability of its coverage. It lampoons in a dozen directions at once, yet can hardly be attacked. It's not mean. It's just clear. If it were mean, it wouldn't sink in as deep -- we'd be defensive against it.
