[FairfieldLife] Re: Newly discovered booklet of Guru Dev quotations rendered into English
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'As the devotee makes progress in devotion need of subtler devices increases and a veteran guru alone can show the real path. If fortunately one gets a noble guru well verses in the Vedas and having deep knowledge of Brahman and receives his cooperation till end, only one guru makes one's life meaningful. Otherwise so long the devotee does not attain God he should gradually go in the protection of great gurus. One must revere previous gurus, but if they are not helping in spiritual attainment wasting life by depending upon them out of hesitation is a grave error.' Guru Dev quote from previously mentioned booklet. Guess he wasn't talking about anything that could be applied to MMY and TM, huh? You noticed that, eh? Could Maharishi EVER have been certified as a guru within Guru Dev's tradition? If not, then by definition he wasn't speaking about him. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newly discovered booklet of Guru Dev quotations rendered into English
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'As the devotee makes progress in devotion need of subtler devices increases and a veteran guru alone can show the real path. If fortunately one gets a noble guru well verses in the Vedas and having deep knowledge of Brahman and receives his cooperation till end, only one guru makes one's life meaningful. Otherwise so long the devotee does not attain God he should gradually go in the protection of great gurus. One must revere previous gurus, but if they are not helping in spiritual attainment wasting life by depending upon them out of hesitation is a grave error.' Guru Dev quote from previously mentioned booklet. Guess he wasn't talking about anything that could be applied to MMY and TM, huh? You noticed that, eh? Could Maharishi EVER have been certified as a guru within Guru Dev's tradition? If not, then by definition he wasn't speaking about him. Lots of other reasons too, of course. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newly discovered booklet of Guru Dev quotations rendered into English
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just come by a photocopy of a tiny booklet of quotations from Guru Dev, translated into English. My surmise is that this booklet is a translated copy of a Hindi booklet of about the same size. Does anyone have any information they can offer on the background of this item? Link to on-line edition of these quotations. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/gdbooklet.htm Interesting. I found that one of the verses makes me wonder who the translator was, and what liberties he/she might have taken. The verse in question is: Be a worldly man through body and wealth and contemplate Him (Paramatma) in your heart. Thus you shall shine in the world and attain sumum bonum as well. The misspelled term 'sumum bonum' struck me as odd, so I looked it up on Wikipedia: Summum bonum (greatest or supreme good) is a neoplatonic concept attributed to the Christian God by Saint Augustine in de natura boni (399), in direct opposition to his earlier Manichaean convictions. Augustine denies the positive existence of absolute evil, describing a world with God as the supreme good at the center, and defining different grades of evil as different stages of remoteness from that center. In my ignorance of anything about Guru Dev's life, is it likely that he would have known about and used such a Latin phrase, aware of its background, or is it more likely that a Christian translator was using a phrase that was meaningful to him/her to translate the phrase the greatest good in Hindi, spoken by Guru Dev with no other connotations than the greatest good? Word nitpicking, I know, but interesting... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newly discovered booklet of Guru Dev quotations rendered into English
From my experience of dealing with the vocabulary of Guru Dev, I can assure you that I have never found him using any Latin. However, I there are many English words e.g. Governor, minister, loud-speaker, no desire etc. I am confident that the translator did a pretty good job, some of the quotations are almost exact matches for Hindi quotations I have already translated myself. Though, having said that, I would question his use of words such as 'veteran' and 'noble'. The confusion over the words 'is' and 'are' rule out a native English speaker, though in probability the words that Guru Dev used could pedantically be translated in this way. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just come by a photocopy of a tiny booklet of quotations from Guru Dev, translated into English. My surmise is that this booklet is a translated copy of a Hindi booklet of about the same size. Does anyone have any information they can offer on the background of this item? Link to on-line edition of these quotations. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/gdbooklet.htm Interesting. I found that one of the verses makes me wonder who the translator was, and what liberties he/she might have taken. The verse in question is: Be a worldly man through body and wealth and contemplate Him (Paramatma) in your heart. Thus you shall shine in the world and attain sumum bonum as well. The misspelled term 'sumum bonum' struck me as odd, so I looked it up on Wikipedia: Summum bonum (greatest or supreme good) is a neoplatonic concept attributed to the Christian God by Saint Augustine in de natura boni (399), in direct opposition to his earlier Manichaean convictions. Augustine denies the positive existence of absolute evil, describing a world with God as the supreme good at the center, and defining different grades of evil as different stages of remoteness from that center. In my ignorance of anything about Guru Dev's life, is it likely that he would have known about and used such a Latin phrase, aware of its background, or is it more likely that a Christian translator was using a phrase that was meaningful to him/her to translate the phrase the greatest good in Hindi, spoken by Guru Dev with no other connotations than the greatest good? Word nitpicking, I know, but interesting... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newly discovered booklet of Guru Dev quotations rendered into English
'As the devotee makes progress in devotion need of subtler devices increases and a veteran guru alone can show the real path. If fortunately one gets a noble guru well verses in the Vedas and having deep knowledge of Brahman and receives his cooperation till end, only one guru makes one's life meaningful. Otherwise so long the devotee does not attain God he should gradually go in the protection of great gurus. One must revere previous gurus, but if they are not helping in spiritual attainment wasting life by depending upon them out of hesitation is a grave error.' Guru Dev quote from previously mentioned booklet. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just come by a photocopy of a tiny booklet of quotations from Guru Dev, translated into English. My surmise is that this booklet is a translated copy of a Hindi booklet of about the same size. Does anyone have any information they can offer on the background of this item? Link to on-line edition of these quotations. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/gdbooklet.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newly discovered booklet of Guru Dev quotations rendered into English
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just come by a photocopy of a tiny booklet of quotations from Guru Dev, translated into English. My surmise is that this booklet is a translated copy of a Hindi booklet of about the same size. Does anyone have any information they can offer on the background of this item? Link to on-line edition of these quotations. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/gdbooklet.htm I have no knowledge of these, however I want to thank you for this link. Very inspiring! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newly discovered booklet of Guru Dev quotations rendered into English
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'As the devotee makes progress in devotion need of subtler devices increases and a veteran guru alone can show the real path. If fortunately one gets a noble guru well verses in the Vedas and having deep knowledge of Brahman and receives his cooperation till end, only one guru makes one's life meaningful. Otherwise so long the devotee does not attain God he should gradually go in the protection of great gurus. One must revere previous gurus, but if they are not helping in spiritual attainment wasting life by depending upon them out of hesitation is a grave error.' Guru Dev quote from previously mentioned booklet. Guess he wasn't talking about anything that could be applied to MMY and TM, huh? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newly discovered booklet of Guru Dev quotations rendered into English
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'As the devotee makes progress in devotion need of subtler devices increases and a veteran guru alone can show the real path. If fortunately one gets a noble guru well verses in the Vedas and having deep knowledge of Brahman and receives his cooperation till end, only one guru makes one's life meaningful. Otherwise so long the devotee does not attain God he should gradually go in the protection of great gurus. One must revere previous gurus, but if they are not helping in spiritual attainment wasting life by depending upon them out of hesitation is a grave error.' Guru Dev quote from previously mentioned booklet. Guess he wasn't talking about anything that could be applied to MMY and TM, huh? ** Certainly no way could those advanced techniques and Siddhis qualify as subtler devices :) Another big difference: Guru Dev says: Be a worldly man through body and wealth and contemplate Him (Paramatma) in your heart. Thus you shall shine in the world and attain sumum bonum as well. Maharishi says enjoy 200% of life: http://www.vedic-community.org/ Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newly discovered booklet of Guru Dev quotations rendered into English
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'As the devotee makes progress in devotion need of subtler devices increases and a veteran guru alone can show the real path. If fortunately one gets a noble guru well verses in the Vedas and having deep knowledge of Brahman and receives his cooperation till end, only one guru makes one's life meaningful. Otherwise so long the devotee does not attain God he should gradually go in the protection of great gurus. One must revere previous gurus, but if they are not helping in spiritual attainment wasting life by depending upon them out of hesitation is a grave error.' Guru Dev quote from previously mentioned booklet. Guess he wasn't talking about anything that could be applied to MMY and TM, huh? You noticed that, eh? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
