Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpion-land wins!

2006-05-04 Thread Vaj




On May 3, 2006, at 1:32 PM, anony_sleuth_ff wrote:

 What about Mass.'s recent plan?

Mass's plan follows of the heels of Maine's plan, the first in the 
US, which I'm sorry to say has been an utter failure in terms of 
costs. Could you get reasonable healthcare and was your premium based 
on your abilitiy to pay? Yes it is, but the state infrastructure and 
the cost of this state-run system has essentially become a state 
subsidized system which cost millions and millions of dollars to 
cover a couple thousand people who weren't covered before. And then 
in order to achieve this they tried to undercut reimbursements to all 
the small hospitals, driving them to the verge of collapse. It sounds 
good on paper, but in reality you were paying a huge price to insure 
very few people. What ended up happening was people who had insurance 
before jumped on the state plan (which is called Dirigo after the 
state motto) to get the cheaper subsidized rates--and essentially the 
medical system and the taxpayers ended up paying for it.

Huge cost, small benefit.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpion-land wins!

2006-05-03 Thread uns_tressor



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Don't worry Uns, you've still got Peter Crouch 
and Emile Heskey available!

Alas, these are not in the Wunderkind's league. We 
are in National mourning, and only the light of 
bbrigante's continuing foolishness (see below) keeps
our spirits up.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpion-land wins!

2006-05-03 Thread Jason Spock



 I heard that Hillary Clinton's Health-care reforms were a flop. Does anyone know what kind of Health-Care Reforms does the US need.??feste37 f[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:47:10 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Scorpion-land wins!Study Shows Americans Sicker Than English By CARLA K. JOHNSON and MIKE STOBBE, Associated Press Writer CHICAGO -
 Middle-aged, white Americans are much sicker than their counterparts in England, startling new research shows, despite U.S. health care spending per person that's more than double what England spends. ADVERTISEMENTA higher rate of Americans tested positive for diabetes and heart disease than the English. Americans also self-reported more diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, lung disease and cancer.The gap between the countries holds true for educated and uneducated, rich and poor."At every point in the social hierarchy there is more illness in the United States than in England and the differences are really dramatic," said study co-author Dr. Michael Marmot, an epidemiologist at University College London in England.The study, appearing in Wednesday's Journal of the American Medical Association, adds context to the already-known fact that the United States spends more on
 health care than any other industrialized nation, yet trails in rankings of life expectancy.The United States spends about $5,200 per person on health care while England spends about half that in adjusted dollars."Everybody should be discussing it: Why isn't the richest country in the world the healthiest country in the world?" Marmot said."It's something of a mystery," said Richard Suzman of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, which helped fund the study.The researchers looked for answers in the data, which came from government-sponsored health surveys. The research was supported by grants from government agencies in both countries. A U.S. researcher from the Rand Corp. was on the team.Smoking rates are about the same on both sides of the pond. The English have a higher rate of heavy drinking, but a higher percentage of Americans are obese.The researchers crunched numbers to create a hypothetical statistical
 world in which the English had American lifestyle risk factors, including being as fat as Americans. In that model, the researchers found Americans still would be sicker.Only non-Hispanic whites were included in the study to eliminate the influence of racial disparities. The researchers looked only at people ages 55 through 64, and the average age of the samples was the same.Americans reported twice the rate of diabetes compared to the English: 12.5 percent versus 6 percent. For high blood pressure, it was 42 percent for Americans versus 34 percent for the English; cancer showed up in 9.5 percent of Americans compared to 5.5 percent of English.The upper crust in both countries was healthier than middle-class and low-income people in the same country. But richer Americans' health status resembled the health of the low-income British.Health experts have known the U.S. population is less healthy than that of other industrialized nations,
 according to several important measurements. U.S. life expectancy, for example, ranks behind that of about two dozen other countries, according to the World Health Organization.Some have believed the U.S. has lagged because it has a more ethnically diverse population than some of the higher-ranking countries, said Suzman, who heads the National Institute on Aging's Behavioral and Social Research Program. "Minority health in general is worse than white health," he said.But the new study showed that when minorities are removed from the equation, and adjustments are made to control for education and income, white people in England are still healthier than white people in the United States."As far as I know, this is the first study showing this," said Suzman who called the results "surprising." But some other experts said the findings were predictable. Earlier studies have shown the United States does a poorer job than other industrialized
 countries at providing primary medical care to its citizens, particularly to those with less education and income, said Dr. Barbara Starfield, a professor of health policy and pediatrics at Johns Hopkins University. "Countries oriented toward providing good primary care basically do better in health," she said. Marmot offered yet another explanation for the gap: Americans' financial insecurity. Improvements in household income have eluded all but the top fifth of Americans since the mid-1970s. Meanwhile, English citizens saw their incomes improve, he said. Robert Blendon, a professor of health policy at the Harvard School of Public Health who was not involved in the study, said the stress of striving for the American dream may account for Americans' lousy health. "The opportunity to go both up and down the socio-economic scale in 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpion-land wins!

2006-05-03 Thread bob_brigante



  Study Shows Americans Sicker Than English 
  
  By CARLA K. JOHNSON and MIKE STOBBE, Associated Press Writer 
  
  CHICAGO - Middle-aged, white Americans are much sicker than their 
  counterparts in England, startling new research shows, despite 
U.S. 
 health care spending per person that's more than double what England 
 spends.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpion-land wins!

2006-05-02 Thread uns_tressor



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Study Shows Americans Sicker Than English 
 
 By CARLA K. JOHNSON and MIKE STOBBE, Associated Press Writer 
 
 CHICAGO - Middle-aged, white Americans are much sicker than their 
 counterparts in England, startling new research shows, despite U.S. 
health 
 care spending per person that's more than double what England spends

What you boys and girls need is a Fatwa. Apart from
Wayne Rooney's broken fourth metatarsal, which has 
lunched a real possibility of success in the football
World Cup, things have gone well for us.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpion-land wins!

2006-05-02 Thread uns_tressor



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --
--
 Study Shows Americans Sicker Than English 
 
 By CARLA K. JOHNSON and MIKE STOBBE, Associated Press Writer 
 
 CHICAGO - Middle-aged, white Americans are much sicker than their 
 counterparts in England, startling new research shows, despite U.S. 
health 
 care spending per person that's more than double what England spends

What you boys and girls need is a Fatwa. Apart from
Wayne Rooney's broken fourth metatarsal, which has 
lunched a real possibility of success in the football
World Cup, things have gone well for us.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpion-land wins!

2006-05-02 Thread bob_brigante



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Middle-aged, white Americans are much sicker than their
counterparts in England,

 ...The English 
 have a higher rate of heavy drinking,

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Well, that explains it then -- alcohol is an excellent preservative, 
and the Brits have simply pickled themselves into better health than 
the less-dipsomaniac Yanks (with their dried-out Prez as a role model).












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpion-land wins!

2006-05-02 Thread Nelson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote:
 
  -
 ---
 Middle-aged, white Americans are much sicker than their
 counterparts in England,
 
  ...The English 
  have a higher rate of heavy drinking,
 
 **
 
 Well, that explains it then -- alcohol is an excellent preservative, 
 and the Brits have simply pickled themselves into better health than 
 the less-dipsomaniac Yanks (with their dried-out Prez as a role model).
+++ With the diet the people in this age group have been consuming on
an average, they could be called walking hazardous materials containers. 
 The research people are puzzled? - their brain damage is just
another result. N.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpion-land wins!

2006-05-02 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote:
 
  -

 ---
 Middle-aged, white Americans are much sicker than their
 counterparts in England,
 
  ...The English 
  have a higher rate of heavy drinking,
 
 **
 
 Well, that explains it then -- alcohol is an excellent 
preservative, 
 and the Brits have simply pickled themselves into better health 
than 
 the less-dipsomaniac Yanks (with their dried-out Prez as a role 
model).



...and what does this news say about the benefits of having pasty 
white skin and bad teeth? Go figure...











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