[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Evident Certainty Can be a Tricky Thing

2005-07-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 Below is a series of FFL discussions on whether the words in the
 interview could be used to determine that with CERTAINTY that 
 Wilson's wife was clandestine, whether the above interview showed 
 such was self-evident.

Sorry, but you keep getting it wrong, at least
in terms of *my* position.  The funny thing is,
you *quote* my position first thing:

 Judy:
 Also, be aware there's an AP article on the
 same topic that has a *very* misleading
 sentence in reporting on yesterday's (Thursday)
 Wolf Blitzer interview with Wilson:
 
 But at the same time, Wilson acknowledged his wife was no longer 
 in an undercover job at the time Novak's column first identified 
 her. 'My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak 
 blew her identity,' he said.
  
 The quote by itself is ambiguous, but in
 context, Wilson meant that once Novak had
 blown her cover, she was no longer covert
 *by definition*.

Now, can you see the difference between what
I said and how you characterized it above?

If you can't, I really have no hope for you.
I *never* suggested, and certainly did not
*argue*, that Wilson's remark could be used
with certainty to determine whether his wife
was clandestine.

That wasn't the issue at all.

Oh, and there's a second misstatement in
your intro.  The statement *by itself*, as
quoted by AP, can't be used to determine
anything at all.  It becomes self-evident
only *in context*--i.e., in the context of
the interview--that he didn't mean she
wasn't undercover before Novak outed her,
as AP had erroneously interpreted it.

I understand the lure of the gotcha game;
it's fun, and as you noted elsewhere, it's
exercise for the brain.

But if you're going to play it, you better
be damn sure *you* get it before you try to
get somebody else.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Evident Certainty Can be a Tricky Thing

2005-07-15 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 A source document of some recent discussion: the Thursday interview
 between Joe Wilson and Wolf Blitzer on CNN in context (no snips
 between quotes. No other quotes/discussion directly on this topic):
 
 ***
 Wilson: My wife was not a clandestine officer the day Bob Novak blew
 her ID

How does one blow the ID of someone *not* a clandestine officer? :-)





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