[FairfieldLife] Re: Shrii Shankara's commentary on II 45

2006-07-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  
> wrote:
> >
> > Translation by Swami Gambhirananda
> > 
> > 2.45 To those who are thus devoid of discriminating wisdom, who
> > indulge in pleasure, [Here Ast. adds 'yat phalam tad aha, what 
> result
> > accrues, that the Lord states:'-Tr.] O Arjuna, vedah, the Vedas;
> > traigunya-visayah, have the three qualities as their object, have 
> the 
> > three
> > gunas, [Traigunya means the collection of the three qualities, viz 
> > sattva
> > (purity), rajas (energy) and tamas (darkness); i.e. the collection 
> of
> > virtuous, vicious and mixed activities, as also their results. In 
> this
> > derivative sense traigunya means the worldly life.] i.e. the 
> worldly 
> > life, as
> > the object to be revealed. But you bhava, become; nistraigunyah, 
> free
> > from the three qualities, i.e. be free from desires. [There is a 
> > seeming
> > conflict between the advices to be free from the three qualities 
> and 
> > to be
> > ever-poised in the quality of sattva. Hence, the Commentator takes 
> the
> > phrase nistraigunya to mean niskama, free from desires.] (Be)
> > nirdvandvah, free from the pairs of duality -- by the word dvandva,
> > duality, are meant the conflicting pairs [Of heat and cold, etc.] 
> > which are
> > the causes of happiness and sorrow; you become free from them. [From
> > heat, cold, etc. That is, forbear them.] You become nitya-
> sattvasthah,
> > ever-poised in the quality of sattva; (and) so also niryoga-ksemah,
> > without (desire for) acquisition and protection. Yoga means 
> > acquisition of
> > what one has not, and ksema means the protection of what one has. 
> For
> > one who as 'acquisition and protection' foremost in his mind, it is 
> > difficult to seek Liberation. Hence, you be free from acquisition 
> and 
> > protection.
> > And also be atmavan, self-collected, vigilant. This is the advice 
> > given to
> > you while you are engaged in your own duty. [And not from the point 
> of
> > view of seeking Liberation.]
> >
> 
> A vishiSTaadvaita view of the same (Shrii Raamaanuja):
> 
> 2.45 The word Traigunya means the three Gunas --- Sattva, Rajas and
> Tamas. Here the term Traigunya denotes persons in whom Sattva, Rajas
> and Tamas are in abundance. The Vedas in prescribing desire-oriented
> rituals (Kamya-karmas) have such persons in view. Because of their
> great love, the Vedas teach what is good to those in whom Tamas,
> Rajas and Sattva preponderate. If the Vedas had not explained to these
> persons the means for the attainment of heaven etc., according to the
> Gunas, then those persons who are not interested in liberation owing 
> to
> absence of Sattva and preponderance of Rajas and Tamas in them,
> would get completely lost amidst what should not be resorted to,
> without knowing the means for attaining the results they desire. Hence
> the Vedas are concerned with the Gunas. Be you free from the three
> Gunas. Try to acquire Sattva in abundance; increase that alone. The
> purport is: do not nurse the preponderance of the three Gunas in their
> state of inter-mixture; do not cultivate such preponderance. Be free
> from the pairs of opposites; be free from all the characteristics of 
> worldly
> life. Abide in pure Sattva; be established in Sattva, in its state of 
> purity
> without the admixture of the other two Gunas. If it is questioned how
> that is possible, the reply is as follows. Never care to acquire 
> things nor
> protect what has been acquired. While abandoning the acquisition of
> what is not required for self-realisation, abandon also the 
> conservation of
> such things already acquired. You can thus be established in self-
> control
> and thereby become an aspirant after the essentail nature of the self.
> 'Yoga' is acquisition of what has not been acquired; 'Ksema' is
> preservation of things already acquired. Abandoning these is a must 
> for
> an aspirant after the essential nature of the self. If you conduct 
> yourself
> in this way, the preponderance of Rajas and Tamas will be annihilated,
> and pure Sattva will develop. Besides, all that is taught in the 
> Vedas is
> not fit to be utilised by all.
>

Wow. That seems so superficial and WRONG compared to MMY's commentary.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Shrii Shankara's commentary on II 45

2006-07-30 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Translation by Swami Gambhirananda
> 
> 2.45 To those who are thus devoid of discriminating wisdom, who
> indulge in pleasure, [Here Ast. adds 'yat phalam tad aha, what 
result
> accrues, that the Lord states:'-Tr.] O Arjuna, vedah, the Vedas;
> traigunya-visayah, have the three qualities as their object, have 
the 
> three
> gunas, [Traigunya means the collection of the three qualities, viz 
> sattva
> (purity), rajas (energy) and tamas (darkness); i.e. the collection 
of
> virtuous, vicious and mixed activities, as also their results. In 
this
> derivative sense traigunya means the worldly life.] i.e. the 
worldly 
> life, as
> the object to be revealed. But you bhava, become; nistraigunyah, 
free
> from the three qualities, i.e. be free from desires. [There is a 
> seeming
> conflict between the advices to be free from the three qualities 
and 
> to be
> ever-poised in the quality of sattva. Hence, the Commentator takes 
the
> phrase nistraigunya to mean niskama, free from desires.] (Be)
> nirdvandvah, free from the pairs of duality -- by the word dvandva,
> duality, are meant the conflicting pairs [Of heat and cold, etc.] 
> which are
> the causes of happiness and sorrow; you become free from them. [From
> heat, cold, etc. That is, forbear them.] You become nitya-
sattvasthah,
> ever-poised in the quality of sattva; (and) so also niryoga-ksemah,
> without (desire for) acquisition and protection. Yoga means 
> acquisition of
> what one has not, and ksema means the protection of what one has. 
For
> one who as 'acquisition and protection' foremost in his mind, it is 
> difficult to seek Liberation. Hence, you be free from acquisition 
and 
> protection.
> And also be atmavan, self-collected, vigilant. This is the advice 
> given to
> you while you are engaged in your own duty. [And not from the point 
of
> view of seeking Liberation.]
>

A vishiSTaadvaita view of the same (Shrii Raamaanuja):

2.45 The word Traigunya means the three Gunas --- Sattva, Rajas and
Tamas. Here the term Traigunya denotes persons in whom Sattva, Rajas
and Tamas are in abundance. The Vedas in prescribing desire-oriented
rituals (Kamya-karmas) have such persons in view. Because of their
great love, the Vedas teach what is good to those in whom Tamas,
Rajas and Sattva preponderate. If the Vedas had not explained to these
persons the means for the attainment of heaven etc., according to the
Gunas, then those persons who are not interested in liberation owing 
to
absence of Sattva and preponderance of Rajas and Tamas in them,
would get completely lost amidst what should not be resorted to,
without knowing the means for attaining the results they desire. Hence
the Vedas are concerned with the Gunas. Be you free from the three
Gunas. Try to acquire Sattva in abundance; increase that alone. The
purport is: do not nurse the preponderance of the three Gunas in their
state of inter-mixture; do not cultivate such preponderance. Be free
from the pairs of opposites; be free from all the characteristics of 
worldly
life. Abide in pure Sattva; be established in Sattva, in its state of 
purity
without the admixture of the other two Gunas. If it is questioned how
that is possible, the reply is as follows. Never care to acquire 
things nor
protect what has been acquired. While abandoning the acquisition of
what is not required for self-realisation, abandon also the 
conservation of
such things already acquired. You can thus be established in self-
control
and thereby become an aspirant after the essentail nature of the self.
'Yoga' is acquisition of what has not been acquired; 'Ksema' is
preservation of things already acquired. Abandoning these is a must 
for
an aspirant after the essential nature of the self. If you conduct 
yourself
in this way, the preponderance of Rajas and Tamas will be annihilated,
and pure Sattva will develop. Besides, all that is taught in the 
Vedas is
not fit to be utilised by all.







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