[FairfieldLife] Re: Take a long walk off a short dock or suck eggs (you pissing skunks)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > I think it its a bogus term and concept. I have no desire to become > > > "enlightened". (Think about it, desiring "enlightenment" is a > > > contradiction of terms.) > > > > > > OK, well thanks for clearing that up. > > > > And as to your statements that I am making cognitive errors, that > > would presume that 1) my senses are faulty, or 2) my intellect is > > muddled, or 3) my heart is darkened. > > Good self-diagnosis. Thats what it appears from your posts. Full of > cognitive errors. > > > > Any of the three would cause an incorrect perception of what you have > > expressed around this topic. Sorry chap, but if 1, 2, or 3 were the > > case, I wouldn't be able to fully be my Self, and like it or not, I > > am. > > > HAHAHAHAHAHA. Delude on dude. > Cool! Thanks for that Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take a long walk off a short dock or suck eggs (you pissing skunks)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I think it its a bogus term and concept. I have no desire to become > > "enlightened". (Think about it, desiring "enlightenment" is a > > contradiction of terms.) > > > OK, well thanks for clearing that up. > > And as to your statements that I am making cognitive errors, that > would presume that 1) my senses are faulty, or 2) my intellect is > muddled, or 3) my heart is darkened. Good self-diagnosis. Thats what it appears from your posts. Full of cognitive errors. > Any of the three would cause an incorrect perception of what you have > expressed around this topic. Sorry chap, but if 1, 2, or 3 were the > case, I wouldn't be able to fully be my Self, and like it or not, I > am. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Delude on dude. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take a long walk off a short dock or suck eggs (you pissing skunks)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it its a bogus term and concept. I have no desire to become > "enlightened". (Think about it, desiring "enlightenment" is a > contradiction of terms.) OK, well thanks for clearing that up. And as to your statements that I am making cognitive errors, that would presume that 1) my senses are faulty, or 2) my intellect is muddled, or 3) my heart is darkened. Any of the three would cause an incorrect perception of what you have expressed around this topic. Sorry chap, but if 1, 2, or 3 were the case, I wouldn't be able to fully be my Self, and like it or not, I am. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take a long walk off a short dock or suck eggs (you pissing skunks)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Its a hoot that given the following "Oringial Post", that the most > > important and substantive thing in Tom's view, per "Recent Post" > > is past posts of his were referenced where he refers to others as > > "pissing skunks" and admonishes others to "Take a long walk off a > > short dock or suck eggs" (paraphrased in the post as "eat shit and > die"). > > > > There are far more important issues that Tom ignores, refuses, is > > afraid to or is unable to respond to. > > > > 1) self-proclaimed enlightened don't walk their talk. > > From my point of view neither do the self professed ignorant, such > as yourself. > > You have stated regularly, and I'm paraphrasing, that you have a > problem with anyone here that states definitively that they are > enlightened, that you would be comfortable if rather than state it > as such, they declared it to be a subjective experience, possibly > true and possibly not, of an experience of a higher state of > consciousness. Perhaps you are mixing me up with others or making the common cognitive error of reading extra stuff into what is not on the page. I have said, and given examples, that various self-proclaimed enlightened 1) define "enlightenment" differently 2) report mutually exclusive experiences e.g. "There is an ego" vs. "There is no ego". Therefore, common sense dictates that the term "enlightenment" has little value. The fact that some people don't walk their talk is a fairly distinct issue. > > If we cannot definitively state ourselves as being enlightened, > ever, or alternatively, if to state oneself as enlightened doesn't > conform with some established criteria of yours, You are making large cognitive errors. I don't believe the term is useful. Clearly then I don't have "established criteria" for it. Nor does anyone else. Thats the problem. > then everyone who > says they are enlightened here is by default in fact ignorant, > according to you. Again, you are making large cognitive errors. You really need to read what is on the page and not make arguments based on what you mistekenly think you read. > > Given these choices how will you *ever* know if you, or anyone else, > is enlightened? Please now state your criteria clearly and > unambiguously on how you will know beyond a shadow of a doubt when > you, or anyone else, has achieved enlightenment. I think it its a bogus term and concept. I have no desire to become "enlightened". (Think about it, desiring "enlightenment" is a contradiction of terms.) > Up to this point, you have been content to argue with whomever makes > the statement that they are enlightened. Not at all. I do observe contradictions when anyone does not walk their talk. > Now the ball is in your court. Please prove to me that you know what > you are talking about. In what regard? As I mentionewd above, I looking for a list > of criteria. And why are you asking me? To create a list of criteria for a term and concept that I think is bogus? You are not making any sense here. Please read my posts, and try not to simply react to stuff in your head. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take a long walk off a short dock or suck eggs (you pissing skunks)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Its a hoot that given the following "Oringial Post", that the most > important and substantive thing in Tom's view, per "Recent Post" > is past posts of his were referenced where he refers to others as > "pissing skunks" and admonishes others to "Take a long walk off a > short dock or suck eggs" (paraphrased in the post as "eat shit and die"). > > There are far more important issues that Tom ignores, refuses, is > afraid to or is unable to respond to. > > 1) self-proclaimed enlightened don't walk their talk. >From my point of view neither do the self professed ignorant, such as yourself. You have stated regularly, and I'm paraphrasing, that you have a problem with anyone here that states definitively that they are enlightened, that you would be comfortable if rather than state it as such, they declared it to be a subjective experience, possibly true and possibly not, of an experience of a higher state of consciousness. If we cannot definitively state ourselves as being enlightened, ever, or alternatively, if to state oneself as enlightened doesn't conform with some established criteria of yours, then everyone who says they are enlightened here is by default in fact ignorant, according to you. Given these choices how will you *ever* know if you, or anyone else, is enlightened? Please now state your criteria clearly and unambiguously on how you will know beyond a shadow of a doubt when you, or anyone else, has achieved enlightenment. Up to this point, you have been content to argue with whomever makes the statement that they are enlightened. You have pointed out why they aren't. Fair enough. Now the ball is in your court. Please prove to me that you know what you are talking about. As I mentionewd above, I looking for a list of criteria. We are beyond the point of argument. The list, if you please. Thanks in advance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
