Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam on 4/2/06 5:46 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several disturbing things he shared was, one, the Ross ice shelf. They also knew by that time the ross ice shelf--a huge area of ice--had fallen (towards the sea) in the past and that it wasn't a matter of if this ice shelf would fall again, but simply a matter of when. It could really happen at any time now, but almost certainly with the next couple of decades. By fall you mean slide into the ocean? What will happen if it does? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam
On Apr 2, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 4/2/06 5:46 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Several disturbing things he shared was, one, the Ross ice shelf. They also knew by that time the ross ice shelf--a huge area of ice--had fallen (towards the sea) in the past and that it wasn't a matter of "if" this ice shelf would fall again, but simply a matter of when. It could really happen at any time now, but almost certainly with the next couple of decades.By “fall” you mean slide into the ocean? What will happen if it doA rise in ocean levels. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/2/06 5:46 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several disturbing things he shared was, one, the Ross ice shelf. They also knew by that time the ross ice shelf--a huge area of ice--had fallen (towards the sea) in the past and that it wasn't a matter of if this ice shelf would fall again, but simply a matter of when. It could really happen at any time now, but almost certainly with the next couple of decades. By ³fall² you mean slide into the ocean? What will happen if it does? What happens if a chunk of ice gets dropped into a glass of warm water? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 2, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 4/2/06 5:46 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several disturbing things he shared was, one, the Ross ice shelf. They also knew by that time the ross ice shelf--a huge area of ice--had fallen (towards the sea) in the past and that it wasn't a matter of if this ice shelf would fall again, but simply a matter of when. It could really happen at any time now, but almost certainly with the next couple of decades. By fall you mean slide into the ocean? What will happen if it do A rise in ocean levels. Possibly more significant: a fall in local salinity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 2, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 4/2/06 5:46 AM, Vaj at vajranatha@ wrote: Several disturbing things he shared was, one, the Ross ice shelf. They also knew by that time the ross ice shelf--a huge area of ice--had fallen (towards the sea) in the past and that it wasn't a matter of if this ice shelf would fall again, but simply a matter of when. It could really happen at any time now, but almost certainly with the next couple of decades. By fall you mean slide into the ocean? What will happen if it do A rise in ocean levels. Possibly more significant: a fall in local salinity. ++ The salinity and temperature changes are slowing the deep ocean currents which, when stopped, will produce various disasters around the globe due to lack of temperature moderation. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam on 4/2/06 10:44 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 2, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 4/2/06 5:46 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several disturbing things he shared was, one, the Ross ice shelf. They also knew by that time the ross ice shelf--a huge area of ice--had fallen (towards the sea) in the past and that it wasn't a matter of if this ice shelf would fall again, but simply a matter of when. It could really happen at any time now, but almost certainly with the next couple of decades. By fall you mean slide into the ocean? What will happen if it do A rise in ocean levels. How much? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam
By ³fall² you mean slide into the ocean? What will happen if it do A rise in ocean levels. How much? Just read acidity in oceans rose .25%, and the scale is like the richter scale, so an .25% represents a fairly large increase. Said to be due to absorbtion of co2. lruk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam
I am currently reading State of Fear by Michael Critcheon -- with a global warming theme. The book makes some good points about the selectivity of the media -- particularly that written by non-scientists -- which is almost all the articles. And the biases and agendas of environmetal groups --not unique -- all NGOs and non-profits get a bit twisted in making their message regarding complex issues understandable -- and critical enough to drive continued funding. I laughed when I saw the title of the Time article Be Scared, Be Very, Very Scarred .. (or similar) becuase that is the theme and title of the book -- the state of fear created by media (to get ratings and ad dollars), NGOs to raise funds, politicians to get vots, universities -- well for multiple reasons. But some facts aka claims in the article are new (to me) and alarming. I do seek, the larger balanced picture. Shemps article is interesting, though I would like to see those claims countered also. With climate scince, it is so complex, take any part of the proverbial elephant and one can make a compelling case for or against. However the argument no longer appears to be is there an greenhouse effect occurring, rather, how strong is it, what are the ramifications,how soon will they occur, how much is man-made vs. natural cycles, and what can be done to mitigate the most damaging effects. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Global Warming Scam by Nima Sanandaji and Fred Goldberg by Nima Sanandaji and Fred Goldberg The media portrays a dramatic image of how the ice is melting in the polar regions as a consequence of global warming. We are warned that the North Pole might become icefree during the summer months at the end of this century and that the polar bears might become extinct due to this development. But is this really a realistic image? Sure, there is research that indicates that the ice sheets are being reduced, but there are also studies that show the complete opposite. An example of this is a study in the scientific journal Geophysical Research Letter where the Swedish researcher Peter Winsor compares data collected by submarines below the Arctic ice. His conclusions are that the thickness of the ice has been almost constant between 1986 and 1997. If you look at the South Pole there are studies that show an increase in the mass of the ice. In a study published in the journal Nature a number of polar researchers showed that they had observed a net cooling of 0.7 degrees in the region between 1986 and 2000. Another study published in Science showed that the East-Antarctic ice sheet had grown with 45 million metric tones between 1992 and 2003. Are the ices growing or melting? The simple answer is that there exist studies that point to both directions, perhaps indicating that scientists know relatively little about global climate. But what counts to most ordinary people is what media is reporting, and media is often highlighting the most alarming studies and seldom report of studies that go against the notion that human activity leads to global warming. To put it simply, the news is filtered through an environmentalist view of the world. An interesting example of how media sometimes gets it wrong is how journalists reported that there had never been so little ice in the Arctic than in 2005. This claim was based on satellite images by NASA which showed that the geographic extent of the ice sheet had never been so small since measurement began in 1979. One must however keep in fact that about half of the ice in the Arctic melts each summer and that two months before this measurment the extent of the ice sheet was the same as the previous year. The problem is that satellite images show the surface of the ice but not the thickness. Capten Årnell at the summer expedition with the polar-ship Oden could tell that he had never seen so much ice in the Arctic than in 2005. It was with great difficulty that he had passed through the region. What had happened in 2005 seems to be that the ice had packed densely against the Canadian part of the Arctic. The geographical extent had been reduced but the ice was thicker. As for polar bears, much points to that their numbers are increasing rather than diminishing. Mitch Taylor, a Canadian expert on animal populations, estimates that the number of polar bears in Canada has increased from 12 000 to 15 000 the past decade. Steven C Amstrup and his college have studied a population of polar bears in Alaska and reported that the number of females had increased from 600 to 900 between 1976 and 1992. Even a report from the WWF which is entitled Polar bears at risk and warns that the populations of the polar bears might become extinct due to global warming, supports that the number of polar bears is increasing. In the report the polar
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After you finish reading State of Fear please let us know what your impressions are... I do know that many inthe scientific community are kicking themselves that they haven't done a better job of challenging/refuting Chricton (sp) inthe media. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
