[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle (Complete)
Global Warming is not a scam in my mind, however the media and popular science painting it as man-made is very much exaggerated. though there is a climate change, i doubt however that we have any significance control over it () , it is used in my opinion for foreign political and economical agendas, unfortunately some heavy funds are wasted on futile and irrelevant research with regard to global warming, while those funds are very much needed elsewhere, but if this is what it takes to progress alternative and renewable energy sources, maybe it's good for the long run. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Some of the people who think Global Warming is a scam still believe > there is climate change and something should be done about (alternative > and renewable energy sources, etc). They think however that Global > Warming will be used as an excuse to further set up a police state to > control the masses. > > larry.potter wrote: > > reading between the lines I see that the author or who he represents > > has some agenda with Channel 4. h... > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" > > wrote: > > > >> Here's a critique of the video.. > >> > >> > > http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2032572,00.h > > t > > > >> ml > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" > >> wrote: > >> > >>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU > >>> > >>> Amazing video to watch, it is exposing the hype with regard to > >>> > > man > > > >>> made global warming to be which is > >>> a big hype, the hype is needed in order to get funds (government > >>> funds), research funds, > >>> of course the media has it's own reasons to spread scary stories. > >>> > >>> just the same i still strongly think that alternative energy > >>> > > should > > > >> be > >> > >>> used more often and be the major source > >>> of energy so the dependency on the rich oil countries will cease > >>> > > or > > > >> at > >> > >>> least reduced. > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle (Complete)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 1, 2007, at 4:18 PM, larry.potter wrote: > > > > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU > > > > Amazing video to watch, it is exposing the hype with regard to man > > made global warming to be which is > > a big hype, the hype is needed in order to get funds (government > > funds), research funds, > > of course the media has it's own reasons to spread scary stories. > > > > just the same i still strongly think that alternative energy should be > > used more often and be the major source > > of energy so the dependency on the rich oil countries will cease or at > > least reduced. > > > What they didn't tell you is most of these people represent fringe > science. The Royal Academy has actually come out and condemned the > documentary. The one real climate scientist interviewed in this film (made by a public relations firm with oil/gas industry ties) has disassociated himself from it due to the way it distorts his actual views. A complete takedown of the so-called science in the film can be found here: http://www.realclimate.org/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle (Complete)
Some of the people who think Global Warming is a scam still believe there is climate change and something should be done about (alternative and renewable energy sources, etc). They think however that Global Warming will be used as an excuse to further set up a police state to control the masses. larry.potter wrote: > reading between the lines I see that the author or who he represents > has some agenda with Channel 4. h... > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Here's a critique of the video.. >> >> > http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2032572,00.h > t > >> ml >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" >> wrote: >> >>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU >>> >>> Amazing video to watch, it is exposing the hype with regard to >>> > man > >>> made global warming to be which is >>> a big hype, the hype is needed in order to get funds (government >>> funds), research funds, >>> of course the media has it's own reasons to spread scary stories. >>> >>> just the same i still strongly think that alternative energy >>> > should > >> be >> >>> used more often and be the major source >>> of energy so the dependency on the rich oil countries will cease >>> > or > >> at >> >>> least reduced. >>> >>> > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle (Complete)
reading between the lines I see that the author or who he represents has some agenda with Channel 4. h... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here's a critique of the video.. > http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2032572,00.h t > ml > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" > wrote: > > > > > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU > > > > Amazing video to watch, it is exposing the hype with regard to man > > made global warming to be which is > > a big hype, the hype is needed in order to get funds (government > > funds), research funds, > > of course the media has it's own reasons to spread scary stories. > > > > just the same i still strongly think that alternative energy should > be > > used more often and be the major source > > of energy so the dependency on the rich oil countries will cease or > at > > least reduced. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle (Complete)
Here's a critique of the video.. http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2032572,00.ht ml --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "larry.potter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU > > Amazing video to watch, it is exposing the hype with regard to man > made global warming to be which is > a big hype, the hype is needed in order to get funds (government > funds), research funds, > of course the media has it's own reasons to spread scary stories. > > just the same i still strongly think that alternative energy should be > used more often and be the major source > of energy so the dependency on the rich oil countries will cease or at > least reduced. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle
Saw Vaj's video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638 and found it interesting and almost "convincing". However here is quite a devastating critique of its purported "evidence": http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638 http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2032572,00.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2031455,00.html > > Climate scientist 'duped to deny global warming' > > > Ben Goldacre and David Adam > Sunday March 11, 2007 > The Observer > > A Leading US climate scientist is considering legal action after he > says he was duped into appearing in a Channel 4 documentary that > claimed man-made global warming is a myth. Carl Wunsch, professor of > physical oceanography at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, > said the film, The Great Global Warming Swindle, was 'grossly > distorted' and 'as close to pure propaganda as anything since World > War Two'. > He says his comments in the film were taken out of context and that > he would not have agreed to take part if he had known it would argue > that man-made global warming was not a serious threat. 'I thought > they were trying to educate the public about the complexities of > climate change,' he said. 'This seems like a deliberate attempt to > exploit someone who is on the other side of the issue.' He is > considering a complaint to Ofcom, the broadcast regulator. (...) > This could be a legitimate complaint, OR a desperate attempt at covering his own academic ass due to the fallout from the show.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you listen to Fox TV, Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh global > warming is a left-wing conspiracy of godless treehuggers > meant to fund the religion of environmentalist whacko > liberals. And while this may be true, a percentage of the funds raised goes towards paying the salaries of the professional anti-TMers here on FFL. Sagely, the Church of Environmentalist Whacko Liberals (Reformed) uses the CIA and the Freemasons as "front" organizations so that the funds won't be traced back to them. Ooops. Never mind. I guess I shouldn't have said that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle
On Mar 12, 2007, at 7:15 AM, sparaig wrote: That's really the point insn't it? How would we know, we're NOT scientists...it's just a matter of who you believe! Science is a consensus sport. Unless its being used in engineering textbooks, there's always room for argument. Even so, MOST climatologists seem to think there's something to human-caused global warming. Of course the problem in this country is the politicization of science for partisan ends. If you listen to Fox TV, Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh global warming is a left-wing conspiracy of godless treehuggers meant to fund the religion of environmentalist whacko liberals.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle
On Mar 12, 2007, at 6:37 AM, Mr. Magoo wrote: You believe what it says? That's really the point insn't it? How would we know, we're NOT scientists...it's just a matter of who you believe! It might be a good idea then (if you're not a scientist) to accept the majority of scientists opinion and avoid those who attempt to politicize the issue. If you are not a scientist and would like a nice intro to the established science behind global climate change, check out: http://www.dailyplanettv.net/2006/06/09/dptv-172-2006-06-09/ or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1s-jvaqjjE It's interesting the disinformation the media puts out alone, based on their misunderstanding of ultra-large chaotic systems and how they respond when you add energy to them or change some of their variables. Guess what? They respond chaotically! In other words, just because you're adding heat to the ultra-complex doesn't mean you always get a heating effect. You might get extreme cold or extreme drought or rain, lack of hurricanes in one area, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle
Mr. Magoo wrote: > That's really the point insn't it? > "In it, she compared global warming denial to "going on air and saying that hurricanes rotate clockwise," apparently herself unaware that in the southern hemisphere hurricanes do indeed rotate in this direction." Read more: 'Bad News for Global Warming Alarmists' Daily Tech, January 30, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/3yukrv
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle
On Mar 11, 2007, at 8:38 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A friend sent this to me and I just recently watched it. He believes the idea that Global Warming is influenced by humans is a big scam. And believe it or not, he's supposed to be a scientist. This is a program from the British television (channel 4). http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638 "The Royal Society, the national academy of science of the UK and the Commonwealth, is at the cutting edge of scientific progress. "It supports many top young scientists, engineers and technologists. It influences science policy, it debates scientific issues with the public and much more. It is an independent, charitable body which derives its authoritative status from its 1400 Fellows and Foreign Members." The Royal Society's response: Very interesting, thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Magoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 11, 2007, at 7:19 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > >> > > >> A friend sent this to me and I just recently watched it. He believes > > >> the idea that Global Warming is influenced by humans is a big scam. > > >> > > >> And believe it or not, he's supposed to be a scientist. This is a > > >> program from the British television (channel 4). > > >> > > >> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638 > > > > > > Great Video Vaj!! > > > > > > You believe what it says? > > That's really the point insn't it? How would we know, we're NOT > scientists...it's just a matter of who you believe! > > > Science is a consensus sport. Unless its being used in engineering textbooks, there's always room for argument. Even so, MOST climatologists seem to think there's something to human-caused global warming.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 11, 2007, at 7:19 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > >> > >> A friend sent this to me and I just recently watched it. He believes > >> the idea that Global Warming is influenced by humans is a big scam. > >> > >> And believe it or not, he's supposed to be a scientist. This is a > >> program from the British television (channel 4). > >> > >> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638 > > > > Great Video Vaj!! > > > You believe what it says? That's really the point insn't it? How would we know, we're NOT scientists...it's just a matter of who you believe! >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A friend sent this to me and I just recently watched it. He believes > the idea that Global Warming is influenced by humans is a big scam. > > And believe it or not, he's supposed to be a scientist. This is a > program from the British television (channel 4). > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638 > "The Royal Society, the national academy of science of the UK and the Commonwealth, is at the cutting edge of scientific progress. "It supports many top young scientists, engineers and technologists. It influences science policy, it debates scientific issues with the public and much more. It is an independent, charitable body which derives its authoritative status from its 1400 Fellows and Foreign Members." The Royal Society's response: http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/news.asp?id=6089 Latest press releases The Royal Society's response to the documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle" 9 Mar 2007 In response to the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle', screened on Channel 4 on Thursday 8 March, Martin Rees, President of the Royal Society, said: "Global temperature is increasing. This warming threatens the future health and wellbeing of many millions of people throughout the world. This is especially true of those in the developing countries who are the least able to adapt and who are likely to be the worst affected. Many factors play a part in global warming but there is significant scientific evidence that greenhouse gas emissions, particularly CO2, are responsible for most of the temperature rise. If present trends continue the projected climate change will be far greater than that already experienced. Greenhouse gas emissions are something that we can and must take action on. "Scientists will continue to monitor the global climate and the factors which influence it. It is important that all legitimate potential scientific explanations continue to be considered and investigated. Debate will continue, and the Royal Society has just hosted a two day discussion meeting attended by over 300 scientists, but it must not be at the expense of action. Those who promote fringe scientific views but ignore the weight of evidence are playing a dangerous game. They run the risk of diverting attention from what we can do to ensure the world's population has the best possible future."
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle
On Mar 11, 2007, at 7:19 PM, Mr. Magoo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A friend sent this to me and I just recently watched it. He believes the idea that Global Warming is influenced by humans is a big scam. And believe it or not, he's supposed to be a scientist. This is a program from the British television (channel 4). http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638 Great Video Vaj!! You believe what it says?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A friend sent this to me and I just recently watched it. He believes > the idea that Global Warming is influenced by humans is a big scam. > > And believe it or not, he's supposed to be a scientist. This is a > program from the British television (channel 4). > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638 Great Video Vaj!!
