RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield - BATGAP

2010-04-15 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of tartbrain
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:17 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield - BATGAP
 
Don't worry too much about FPAC. In a couple of years you will have your own
show on PBS Inner States and hobnobbing with Charlie Rose, Jim Lehr and
Bill Moyers. And then when Ophra has you on  look out 
Oprah is actually looking for programming for her new Network. I'm all over
it. However it unfolds, or doesn't


[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield - BATGAP

2010-04-15 Thread yifuxero
Your project has the makings of a document of historical importance.
Note the book by John Horgon mentioned in Wiki's Rational Mysticism. He 
interviewed a few people whom he thought had knowledge of transcendental 
experiences: some philosophers, others with some direct experience.  
Unfortunately, he didn't do enough legwork in rounding up more people.  BATGAP 
is much more professional; ...but incomplete as yet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_mysticism

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 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of tartbrain
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:17 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield - BATGAP
  
 Don't worry too much about FPAC. In a couple of years you will have your own
 show on PBS Inner States and hobnobbing with Charlie Rose, Jim Lehr and
 Bill Moyers. And then when Ophra has you on  look out 
 Oprah is actually looking for programming for her new Network. I'm all over
 it. However it unfolds, or doesn't





[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield - BATGAP

2010-04-14 Thread mainstream20016
Every episode is fascinating and together the series presents an intimate 
insight into the histories and perspectives of the constellation of characters 
that live in town.

My favorite guest to date is Michael 'not Mike' Baxter. His tutorial 
presentation on the primacy of the Self, and Rick's wise probes of his theory, 
are a real treat. 

Highly recommended as a series.
 
iTunes audio downloads make convenient listening.  Thanks, Rick. 
Congratulations.

-Mainstream

 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... 
wrote:

 =--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I have only seen one BudPump, but seek to watch more. 
  
  The contrast of unfettered description of change in ones inner life (kind 
  of ironic huh) from the high-tea, silk couch, victorian approach of the 
  TMO, to a more blue jeans approach of BudGas, snip
 
 
 I agree and think the conception of this project is brilliant no matter where 
 you stand on the higher states thoery.  I have listened to 3 of them so far 
 and think Rick is doing an excellent job in providing a safe venue for people 
 to expose something pretty intimate while throwing in some good questions to 
 keep the ball rolling.  I'm sure their openness has a lot to do with Rick's 
 friendly acceptance.
 
 I've been trying to collect the specific claims about what has changed in 
 their lives.  Predictably the people who are still very Maharishi directed 
 use his terms and people who look elsewhere for their intellectual framework 
 use those terms to describe their inner states.  Very little to put in a 
 wheelbarrow as should be expected.  But the language is so vague and 
 imprecise that is it difficult to pin down what exactly is being claimed.  
 Objects appear more transparent, their self expands.  Terms that used to 
 mean so much to me but now seem so empty outside the language system of 
 spirituality.  Believing that your self is the Self of everything is 
 poetic.  Does it really matter? I'm not sure.
 
 I do believe that trans-personal experiences can be helpful but I'm not sure 
 if taking this long to have them might develop a type of internal state, 
 self-fascination that strikes me as odd.  It might be best for people to drop 
 a hit of whatever, embrace the feeling of being everything for a while, and 
 then drop back into daily life refreshed but without years of 
 self-absorption.  That might give most of the claimed benefits.  And despite 
 the strong opinions to the contrary, most of my psychedelic insights have 
 brought permanent shifts in my perspective. It just depends what you want to 
 pay attention to. They certainly are on a par with anything I got out of 
 meditation for permanently shifting my inner states. 
 
 Nothing has convinced me that this is more than a POV on their inner 
 experiences. People who enjoy thinking this much about their inner state of 
 mind who become more and more expressive of every shift and change.  I have 
 had enough shifts of mind myself to believe that they aren't making this up, 
 but believe they may be making a big deal about states that the rest of us 
 take for granted.  There are some whose admitted mental history should give 
 us some insight into how radically their minds might shift at any given time. 
  If this time it made them feel better, good for them, I hope it stays that 
 way.
 
 Most of all it is a bit hard to get through entire interviews because their 
 micro fascination with their own internal states lacks a language that does 
 it any justice.  Describing it head on may be the poorest way to express 
 these states.  It may be that for me it is art that does it best.  Perhaps if 
 I saw the dancer in the series dance I might be more impressed that she was 
 different in a way that mattered to anyone outside herself.  Maybe it is that 
 people who can convey inner states though the arts can actually move and 
 inspire me in a way that these descriptions can't.  What is it in art that 
 moves us that shifts our states and conveys such beauty. Why is that 
 inspirational quality lacking in these descriptions? Or perhaps it is just 
 me.  I may have drifted too far out of the insider perspective that fills 
 these descriptions with glowy charm.  I sense that these people are 
 experienced in describing their new states of mind and have honed their 
 narrative to in corporate the reactions they have had to their phrasing.  We 
 are not the first audience for these stories.
 
 But if these people are expressing true significant shifts of consciousness 
 that would benefit humanity then Rick's project is going way beyond the 
 movement in opening them for examination.  I think either way Rick is really 
 on to something with this project.  By now we should expect people living in 
 the states Maharishi described vaguely and promised repeatedly.  Hearing from 
 them is a great resource for all of us interested in evaluating these 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield - BATGAP

2010-04-14 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of mainstream20016
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:57 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield - BATGAP
 
  
Every episode is fascinating and together the series presents an intimate
insight into the histories and perspectives of the constellation of
characters that live in town.

My favorite guest to date is Michael 'not Mike' Baxter. His tutorial
presentation on the primacy of the Self, and Rick's wise probes of his
theory, are a real treat. 

Highly recommended as a series.

iTunes audio downloads make convenient listening. Thanks, Rick.
Congratulations.

-Mainstream
You're welcome. My pleasure. At the moment, FPAC has me on hold until the
station manager reviews a few of the videos I've done. Hopefully, I'll be
recording again next week. This weekend, I may experiment with an interview
via Skype recorded on my computer. My thinking on interviewing in town
characters is to refute Zappa's assertion that it can't happen here and my
intention in interviewing out-of-town characters is to show that it's not
only happening here. Both of those attitudes are prevalent among various
people.
 


[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield - BATGAP

2010-04-14 Thread tartbrain


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 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of mainstream20016
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:57 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield - BATGAP
  
   
 Every episode is fascinating and together the series presents an intimate
 insight into the histories and perspectives of the constellation of
 characters that live in town.
 
 My favorite guest to date is Michael 'not Mike' Baxter. His tutorial
 presentation on the primacy of the Self, and Rick's wise probes of his
 theory, are a real treat. 
 
 Highly recommended as a series.
 
 iTunes audio downloads make convenient listening. Thanks, Rick.
 Congratulations.
 
 -Mainstream
 You're welcome. My pleasure. At the moment, FPAC has me on hold until the
 station manager reviews a few of the videos I've done. Hopefully, I'll be
 recording again next week. This weekend, I may experiment with an interview
 via Skype recorded on my computer. My thinking on interviewing in town
 characters is to refute Zappa's assertion that it can't happen here and my
 intention in interviewing out-of-town characters is to show that it's not
 only happening here. Both of those attitudes are prevalent among various
 people.


Don't worry to much about FPAC. In a couple of years you will have your own 
show on PBS Inner States  and hobnobbing with Charlie Rose, Jim Lehr and Bill 
Moyers. And then when Ophra has you on  look out