[FairfieldLife] Re: friend's suggestion that we engage in a discussion about the movement

2007-06-01 Thread dhamiltony2k5
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
  dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
But I think that you know (and, like me, have probably
seen it happen) that even if the legal system found some-
thing dreadfully illegal about the TMO's activities, or
about Marharishi's activies, there are people who would
*refuse* to believe a word of it. Their trust in their
existing beliefs is stronger than their trust in the
legal system.

So, again, why even *bother* to try to sway those beliefs?
We can talk about the things we believe here, and they 
can talk about the things they believe in the groups they
hang with. No harm, no foul, no need for either side
to try to convince the other that it's right. To do
so just seems like an awful waste of time and energy
to me.
  
  Yeah, that Bonhoeffer guy for instance, he could have saved 
  himself a 
  lot of trouble and probably have saved his neck if he just would 
  have, kept his mouth shut. http://www.dbonhoeffer.org/   A real 
  negativist. What was with him anyway, moralist fool. Huh?  You 
  enjoying France now?
 
 Are you still back on this subject? :-) I forgot it
 and moved on long ago. And I don't have ANY idea who
 Bonhoeffer is and why you're referencing him. 
 
  What i am reading here in what you write now is the urging that, 
we 
  should not be divided on moral cause about how we do things?  An 
  advitan newage-ie thing, be one, are all one and...
  
  Yet people do have a sense of what is fair.  With MMY, TM and the 
  TMorg, there are just a few hundreds left and many who have 
walked 
  away.
 
 And?
 
 What makes them -- either those who stuck with TM 
 or the ones who walked away -- important enough to
 concern myself with?


Turq, you may not be concerned.  You live in France not much 
influenced by the TMorg anymore, we live here in FF where our lives 
very much are.  

You do seem interested as you do continue on FFL.  Inside that 
interest are likely some concerns (?) about things FF, MMY, TM and 
the TMorg.  

Yet, FF and the TMorg being remote from your life now, you need not 
concern yourself, unless you're stuck or would like to get involved.

With Kind Regards,
-Doug in FF



[FairfieldLife] Re: friend's suggestion that we engage in a discussion about the movement

2007-05-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
   But I think that you know (and, like me, have probably
   seen it happen) that even if the legal system found some-
   thing dreadfully illegal about the TMO's activities, or
   about Marharishi's activies, there are people who would
   *refuse* to believe a word of it. Their trust in their
   existing beliefs is stronger than their trust in the
   legal system.
   
   So, again, why even *bother* to try to sway those beliefs?
   We can talk about the things we believe here, and they 
   can talk about the things they believe in the groups they
   hang with. No harm, no foul, no need for either side
   to try to convince the other that it's right. To do
   so just seems like an awful waste of time and energy
   to me.
 
 Yeah, that Bonhoeffer guy for instance, he could have saved 
 himself a 
 lot of trouble and probably have saved his neck if he just would 
 have, kept his mouth shut. http://www.dbonhoeffer.org/   A real 
 negativist. What was with him anyway, moralist fool. Huh?  You 
 enjoying France now?

Are you still back on this subject? :-) I forgot it
and moved on long ago. And I don't have ANY idea who
Bonhoeffer is and why you're referencing him. 

 What i am reading here in what you write now is the urging that, we 
 should not be divided on moral cause about how we do things?  An 
 advitan newage-ie thing, be one, are all one and...
 
 Yet people do have a sense of what is fair.  With MMY, TM and the 
 TMorg, there are just a few hundreds left and many who have walked 
 away.

And?

What makes them -- either those who stuck with TM 
or the ones who walked away -- important enough to
concern myself with?