Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
Richard, just to set the record straight, I didn't write that sentence about enlightenment. Judy did. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:22 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/11/2014 10:35 AM, Share Long wrote: It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's relationship to God. In the Advaita Vedanta which Robin practiced it is the ego that is the delusion, but this delusion was not caused by God, but by Maya through prakriti and the gunas born of nature. When the ego is subsumed there is a lifting of the veil, an awakening from the dream of illusion. This follows the typology of the seven states of consciousness purported by MMY. So, it may have been difficult at times for Robin to adopt the theistic view after having immersed himself in non-theistic non-dualism. According to Robin, at the time of his enlightenment he experienced all these boundaries of perception dissolving.
Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
Richard, again setting the record straight: I did not write that sentence about enlightenment. Judy did. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:13 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/11/2014 10:35 AM, Share Long wrote: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, genuine state of enlightenment. All religious systems seem to come from the East, except Mormonism, which seems to have sprung from the mind of Moroni. But, the enlightenment tradition in India was founded by the historical Buddha. The notion of enlightenment in Yoga seems to be restricted to South Asia. According to Mircea Eliade, the Ascetic methods and techniques of ecstasy are documented among the other Indo-European peoples, to say nothing of the other peoples of Asia, whereas Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality. Reference: 'Myths and Symbols in India Art and Civilization' by Heinrich Zimmer Edited by Joseph Campbell Bolingen Series, Princeton U.
Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
On 2/12/2014 7:00 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, again setting the record straight: I did not write that sentence about enlightenment. Judy did. All that matters in discussing Robin's enlightenment is what Robin said about his own experience: And then I as if woke up. The spell was broken. I knew myself to have always existed. All my suffering, all my strivings, time, space, personal history was but a dream. There had never been anything but the light of consciousness. I had never been born nor would I ever die. - Robin Carlsen
Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
On 2/12/2014 6:58 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, just to set the record straight, I didn't write that sentence about enlightenment. Judy did. That's what I'm talking about. Robin said: Something disappeared forever, and I later came to know what that was. Something continued to form the apparent boundaries of Robin but the ego that had previously had so much to say about my sensation and experience of the world was now the individuated expression of what was the unmanifest reality of God.
[FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
I think enlightenment, or a very, very high state of human development, and without delusion or possession, has occurred in Native Americans, shamans, tantrics, Taoists, Buddhists, Sufis, Christians, Jews and atheists. I think it included ontological union with what some people call God, but which I think could also be called life. I think it has occurred in people like Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle who had no spiritual tradition at all. Finally I think it has occurred in some people who followed an Eastern tradition. I think it did not include delusion or possession. I think it lasted. I think it included ontological union with God or, for the atheists, life. Now for the scientists: I think if we wired such individuals up to an fMRI machine, I think we would find that 99% of their brain was functioning in a very, very healthy way. This is what I've been attempting to say these last few days. And yes, I recognize that it's been gripping me! Why? To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development.
Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
On 2/11/2014 9:32 AM, Share Long wrote: To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development. The state of enlightenment is like a waking up to reality. You wake up from a dream state or from a deluded state of consciousness. Robin's, experience of enlightenment consisted of a waking up to the insight that he had always existed and that all his suffering, all his striving, his time and space, and even his personal history was just a dream. In a flash, Robin realized that there had never been anything but the light of consciousness. Like Lord Krishna, Robin the person had never been born nor would he ever die. That is when Robin's ego disappeared forever and his soul individuated into an expression of the unmanifested God. At that moment, Robin had reached enlightenment, an awakening. According to MMY, Robin Carlsen was the first governor of the Age of Enlightenment.
Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
Richard, what do you think these 2 sentences of Judy mean: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, genuine state of enlightenment. ...It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's relationship to God. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:25 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/11/2014 9:32 AM, Share Long wrote: To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development. The state of enlightenment is like a waking up to reality. You wake up from a dream state or from a deluded state of consciousness. Robin's, experience of enlightenment consisted of a waking up to the insight that he had always existed and that all his suffering, all his striving, his time and space, and even his personal history was just a dream. In a flash, Robin realized that there had never been anything but the light of consciousness. Like Lord Krishna, Robin the person had never been born nor would he ever die. That is when Robin's ego disappeared forever and his soul individuated into an expression of the unmanifested God. At that moment, Robin had reached enlightenment, an awakening. According to MMY, Robin Carlsen was the first governor of the Age of Enlightenment.
Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Richard, what do you think these 2 sentences of Judy mean: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, genuine state of enlightenment. ...It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's relationship to God. Am I the only one here who thinks arguing about enlightenment is a waste of time? Sometimes I think Share just does this to create problems. Like here for example, she knows exactly where this is going to lead. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:25 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 2/11/2014 9:32 AM, Share Long wrote: To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development. The state of enlightenment is like a waking up to reality. You wake up from a dream state or from a deluded state of consciousness. Robin's, experience of enlightenment consisted of a waking up to the insight that he had always existed and that all his suffering, all his striving, his time and space, and even his personal history was just a dream. In a flash, Robin realized that there had never been anything but the light of consciousness. Like Lord Krishna, Robin the person had never been born nor would he ever die. That is when Robin's ego disappeared forever and his soul individuated into an expression of the unmanifested God. At that moment, Robin had reached enlightenment, an awakening. According to MMY, Robin Carlsen was the first governor of the Age of Enlightenment.
Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
Share, Richard doesn't know from shit what they mean. He'll just blab whatever comes to mind. And I've already explained, umpty times now, what I mean by them, as has Ann. Pretty silly to ask someone else. Richard, what do you think these 2 sentences of Judy mean: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, genuine state of enlightenment. ...It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's relationship to God. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:25 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 2/11/2014 9:32 AM, Share Long wrote: To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development. The state of enlightenment is like a waking up to reality. You wake up from a dream state or from a deluded state of consciousness. Robin's, experience of enlightenment consisted of a waking up to the insight that he had always existed and that all his suffering, all his striving, his time and space, and even his personal history was just a dream. In a flash, Robin realized that there had never been anything but the light of consciousness. Like Lord Krishna, Robin the person had never been born nor would he ever die. That is when Robin's ego disappeared forever and his soul individuated into an expression of the unmanifested God. At that moment, Robin had reached enlightenment, an awakening. According to MMY, Robin Carlsen was the first governor of the Age of Enlightenment.
Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
Judy, I was asking him to explain in the context of what he had written. And I found his dream analogy useful. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:25 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, Richard doesn't know from shit what they mean. He'll just blab whatever comes to mind. And I've already explained, umpty times now, what I mean by them, as has Ann. Pretty silly to ask someone else. Richard, what do you think these 2 sentences of Judy mean: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, genuine state of enlightenment. ...It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's relationship to God. On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:25 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 2/11/2014 9:32 AM, Share Long wrote: To honor the possibility and actuality of a very, very high state of human development. The state of enlightenment is like a waking up to reality. You wake up from a dream state or from a deluded state of consciousness. Robin's, experience of enlightenment consisted of a waking up to the insight that he had always existed and that all his suffering, all his striving, his time and space, and even his personal history was just a dream. In a flash, Robin realized that there had never been anything but the light of consciousness. Like Lord Krishna, Robin the person had never been born nor would he ever die. That is when Robin's ego disappeared forever and his soul individuated into an expression of the unmanifested God. At that moment, Robin had reached enlightenment, an awakening. According to MMY, Robin Carlsen was the first governor of the Age of Enlightenment.
Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
On 2/11/2014 10:35 AM, Share Long wrote: Enlightenment reached by Eastern systems is, according to Robin, the real, genuine state of enlightenment. All religious systems seem to come from the East, except Mormonism, which seems to have sprung from the mind of Moroni. But, the enlightenment tradition in India was founded by the historical Buddha. The notion of enlightenment in Yoga seems to be restricted to South Asia. According to Mircea Eliade, the Ascetic methods and techniques of ecstasy are documented among the other Indo-European peoples, to say nothing of the other peoples of Asia, whereas Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality. Reference: 'Myths and Symbols in India Art and Civilization' by Heinrich Zimmer Edited by Joseph Campbell Bolingen Series, Princeton U.
Re: [FairfieldLife] enlightenment has occurred
On 2/11/2014 10:35 AM, Share Long wrote: It imposes a delusionary experience of oneself, of the world, and of one's relationship to God. In the Advaita Vedanta which Robin practiced it is the ego that is the delusion, but this delusion was not caused by God, but by Maya through prakriti and the gunas born of nature. When the ego is subsumed there is a lifting of the veil, an awakening from the dream of illusion. This follows the typology of the seven states of consciousness purported by MMY. So, it may have been difficult at times for Robin to adopt the theistic view after having immersed himself in non-theistic non-dualism. According to Robin, at the time of his enlightenment he experienced all these boundaries of perception dissolving.
