Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha Photos!
Mine was deep red. Seemed to scare the hell out of them. :) jim_flanegin wrote: >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > >>Last time I had my aura photographed at one of those >>New Age Fairs, mine had a racing stripe. >> >> > >yeah, mine looked suspiciously like someone holding up a smiley-face >button in front of the camera... > > > >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: >> >> >>>On Apr 20, 2006, at 10:37 AM, jyouells2000 wrote: >>> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marc Edwards wrote: >This was taken from: > > http://www.deekshas.com/ > > > Aura > > >Photos > > >>Taken >> >> Before and After Deekshas Submitted 17 April 2006 by: Maya Adelaide, South Australia > Jennifer and I are deeksha givers currently living and > > working in Adelaide, South Australia. On Saturday 8th of >April > > >>2006 >> >> we carried out an experiment to see what happens to a >person's > > >>aura >> >> before and after receiving enlightenment deekshas, with a few >>taken >> >> during deeksha. Fellow deeksha givers and recipients were >>invited to >> >> take part in this fun and curious event and the results >proved > > >>very >> >> interesting. ***snip*** "The aura photographs shown in this article were taken with an >>aura >> >> simulation camera that works from the galvanic skin response >>taken >> >> from the hands. ***The sensor scans and measures the >vibrational > > >>rate >> >> that the energy field gives out through the meridian points of >>the >> >> hands. This response is transferred into the camera's computer component and translated into colours that make up the >>vibrational >> >> rate.*** This special camera first takes a picture of the >person > > >>then >> >> superimposes the auric image over the first image. This then >>becomes >> >> an aura photograph." -- Have to know a great deal more about 'scans and measures the vibrational rate' before you can say if these indicate >anything > > >>about >> >> 'deeksha' at all. >>>http://www.csicop.org/si/2000-05/i-files.html >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > >To subscribe, send a message to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Or go to: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ >and click 'Join This Group!' >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha Photos!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Last time I had my aura photographed at one of those > New Age Fairs, mine had a racing stripe. yeah, mine looked suspiciously like someone holding up a smiley-face button in front of the camera... > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > On Apr 20, 2006, at 10:37 AM, jyouells2000 wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marc Edwards > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > This was taken from: > > > > > > > > http://www.deekshas.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Aura Photos > Taken > > > Before and After Deekshas Submitted 17 April 2006 by: Maya > > > Adelaide, South Australia > > > > Jennifer and I are deeksha givers currently living and > > > working in Adelaide, South Australia. On Saturday 8th of April > 2006 > > > we carried out an experiment to see what happens to a person's > aura > > > before and after receiving enlightenment deekshas, with a few > taken > > > during deeksha. Fellow deeksha givers and recipients were > invited to > > > take part in this fun and curious event and the results proved > very > > > interesting. > > > ***snip*** > > > "The aura photographs shown in this article were taken with an > aura > > > simulation camera that works from the galvanic skin response > taken > > > from the hands. ***The sensor scans and measures the vibrational > rate > > > that the energy field gives out through the meridian points of > the > > > hands. This response is transferred into the camera's computer > > > component and translated into colours that make up the > vibrational > > > rate.*** This special camera first takes a picture of the person > then > > > superimposes the auric image over the first image. This then > becomes > > > an aura photograph." > > > > > > -- > > > Have to know a great deal more about 'scans and measures the > > > vibrational rate' before you can say if these indicate anything > about > > > 'deeksha' at all. > > > > http://www.csicop.org/si/2000-05/i-files.html > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha Photos!
Last time I had my aura photographed at one of those New Age Fairs, mine had a racing stripe. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Apr 20, 2006, at 10:37 AM, jyouells2000 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marc Edwards > > wrote: > > > > > > This was taken from: > > > > > > http://www.deekshas.com/ > > > > > > > > > Aura Photos Taken > > Before and After Deekshas Submitted 17 April 2006 by: Maya > > Adelaide, South Australia > > > Jennifer and I are deeksha givers currently living and > > working in Adelaide, South Australia. On Saturday 8th of April 2006 > > we carried out an experiment to see what happens to a person's aura > > before and after receiving enlightenment deekshas, with a few taken > > during deeksha. Fellow deeksha givers and recipients were invited to > > take part in this fun and curious event and the results proved very > > interesting. > > ***snip*** > > "The aura photographs shown in this article were taken with an aura > > simulation camera that works from the galvanic skin response taken > > from the hands. ***The sensor scans and measures the vibrational rate > > that the energy field gives out through the meridian points of the > > hands. This response is transferred into the camera's computer > > component and translated into colours that make up the vibrational > > rate.*** This special camera first takes a picture of the person then > > superimposes the auric image over the first image. This then becomes > > an aura photograph." > > > > -- > > Have to know a great deal more about 'scans and measures the > > vibrational rate' before you can say if these indicate anything about > > 'deeksha' at all. > > http://www.csicop.org/si/2000-05/i-files.html > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha Photos!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 20, 2006, at 10:37 AM, jyouells2000 wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marc Edwards > > wrote: > > > > > > This was taken from: > > > > > > http://www.deekshas.com/ > > > > > > > > > Aura Photos Taken > > Before and After Deekshas Submitted 17 April 2006 by: Maya > > Adelaide, South Australia > > > Jennifer and I are deeksha givers currently living and > > working in Adelaide, South Australia. On Saturday 8th of April 2006 > > we carried out an experiment to see what happens to a person's aura > > before and after receiving enlightenment deekshas, with a few taken > > during deeksha. Fellow deeksha givers and recipients were invited to > > take part in this fun and curious event and the results proved very > > interesting. > > ***snip*** > > "The aura photographs shown in this article were taken with an aura > > simulation camera that works from the galvanic skin response taken > > from the hands. ***The sensor scans and measures the vibrational rate > > that the energy field gives out through the meridian points of the > > hands. This response is transferred into the camera's computer > > component and translated into colours that make up the vibrational > > rate.*** This special camera first takes a picture of the person then > > superimposes the auric image over the first image. This then becomes > > an aura photograph." > > > > -- > > Have to know a great deal more about 'scans and measures the > > vibrational rate' before you can say if these indicate anything about > > 'deeksha' at all. > > http://www.csicop.org/si/2000-05/i-files.html > Yup, gobboldy-goop. I was mistakenly trying to be kind. Creative scam, but not as good as a land deal. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha Photos!
On Apr 20, 2006, at 10:37 AM, jyouells2000 wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marc Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> This was taken from: > > http://www.deekshas.com/> > > Aura Photos TakenBefore and After Deekshas Submitted 17 April 2006 by: MayaAdelaide, South Australia > Jennifer and I are deeksha givers currently living andworking in Adelaide, South Australia. On Saturday 8th of April 2006we carried out an experiment to see what happens to a person's aurabefore and after receiving enlightenment deekshas, with a few takenduring deeksha. Fellow deeksha givers and recipients were invited totake part in this fun and curious event and the results proved veryinteresting.***snip***"The aura photographs shown in this article were taken with an aurasimulation camera that works from the galvanic skin response takenfrom the hands. ***The sensor scans and measures the vibrational ratethat the energy field gives out through the meridian points of thehands. This response is transferred into the camera's computercomponent and translated into colours that make up the vibrationalrate.*** This special camera first takes a picture of the person thensuperimposes the auric image over the first image. This then becomesan aura photograph."--Have to know a great deal more about 'scans and measures thevibrational rate' before you can say if these indicate anything about'deeksha' at all. http://www.csicop.org/si/2000-05/i-files.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha Photos!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marc Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This was taken from: > > http://www.deekshas.com/ > > > Aura Photos Taken Before and After Deekshas Submitted 17 April 2006 by: Maya Adelaide, South Australia > Jennifer and I are deeksha givers currently living and working in Adelaide, South Australia. On Saturday 8th of April 2006 we carried out an experiment to see what happens to a person's aura before and after receiving enlightenment deekshas, with a few taken during deeksha. Fellow deeksha givers and recipients were invited to take part in this fun and curious event and the results proved very interesting. ***snip*** "The aura photographs shown in this article were taken with an aura simulation camera that works from the galvanic skin response taken from the hands. ***The sensor scans and measures the vibrational rate that the energy field gives out through the meridian points of the hands. This response is transferred into the camera's computer component and translated into colours that make up the vibrational rate.*** This special camera first takes a picture of the person then superimposes the auric image over the first image. This then becomes an aura photograph." -- Have to know a great deal more about 'scans and measures the vibrational rate' before you can say if these indicate anything about 'deeksha' at all. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: deeksha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002"
> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds very nice .. but I detect a few caveats are in order.
>
> Quite a few, actually.
>
> > One is that Divine Intelligence (DI) isn't looking to flow just
> > through people who have completed the official 21 day course,
> > offered by the latest hot hindu guru or his certified
> > representative, whose $3000 check has successfully cleared,
> > and is in good psychological and lifestyle standing within the
> > guru's mov't. DI flows much more freely (heck even 14 day
> > course graduates might have it). Maybe there's some
> > juice flowing right now in this group, but if it forgets the
> > all pervasive nature of DI it has already sown the seeds of
> > its corruption.
>
> 'DI' sounds as atrocious to me as some of the silly
> TM acronyms. :-) It's just a brand name.
>
> The experience is what it is. Calling it a fancy
> name like 'Divine Intelligence' doesn't make it
> either divine or intelligent.
>
> > Also, these sorts of phenomenon always have a big psychological
> > or placebo effect, at least partially. Spiritual people tend
> > to be amazingly naive about the science of this effect.
>
> Absolutely. Especially people who have been looking
> in vain for some kind of experience for decades in
> the TMO or other organization that talked a good game
> but never delivered. Give such people a little hit of
> even low-grade kundalini and they think they've seen God. :-)
>
Of course, the TM organization HAS delivered for many people...
> > Still placebos are real, they can have real added benefits -
> > it's just that you need to distinguish what is psychological
> > and what is truly spiritual, what is your own natural DI
> > and what is coming from an "enlightened" guru -- or usually
> > disappointments come up later.
>
> If you're expecting such experiences to be anything
> *BUT* temporary, you're already setting yourself
> up for a disappointment, in my opinion. The teacher
> doesn't really "give" anything, although it can be
> perceived that way from the student's point of view.
>
Unlike TM, which has an accumulative effect for the rest of a
person's life, or so the latest research implies...
> And the experience, as neat as it might be and as
> useful at getting rid of doubts ("Oh my gawd...you
> mean enlightenment really *does* exist!"), is very
> much a temporary experience. If it inspires you to
> keep on truckin' and doin' the things that might
> make it a more permanent experience for you, then
> transmission/empowerment/shaktipat/diksha might be
> a good thing for you. If, however, all it does is
> turn you into a diksha junkie, saving up for your next
> "hit" of bliss from the guru, then in my opinion you
> could've saved a lot of time and money by just buying
> drugs. One kind of junkie is pretty much the same
> as the other kind of junkie.
>
Something I tend to agree with, although Pentacostals who go to
church every Sunday might disagree with you.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: deeksha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not to complain but to explain from another perspective, > Steve's description above is how this phenomenon is > viewed by and presented by one particular group. But > it's a very common phenomenon in the spiritual smorgas- > borg, referred to by other names such as empowerment, > transmission, shakipat, or whatever. IMO, the name > doesn't matter, and the particular method of trans- > mission doesn't matter. As Steve says, it's about > experience. And the bottom line is that teachers in > many other traditions have mastered this ability to > *give* the experience of higher states of consciousness. However, you just got done claiming the TMO "talks about but never provides" the experience Steve is referring to. Of course, the TMO does NOT talk about "empowerment, transmission, shakipat [sic]"; it may have value, but "giving" (or "receiving") the experience of higher states of consciousness is not an aspect of TM at all. Can't have it both ways, sorry. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: deeksha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sounds very nice .. but I detect a few caveats are in order.
Quite a few, actually.
> One is that Divine Intelligence (DI) isn't looking to flow just
> through people who have completed the official 21 day course,
> offered by the latest hot hindu guru or his certified
> representative, whose $3000 check has successfully cleared,
> and is in good psychological and lifestyle standing within the
> guru's mov't. DI flows much more freely (heck even 14 day
> course graduates might have it). Maybe there's some
> juice flowing right now in this group, but if it forgets the
> all pervasive nature of DI it has already sown the seeds of
> its corruption.
'DI' sounds as atrocious to me as some of the silly
TM acronyms. :-) It's just a brand name.
The experience is what it is. Calling it a fancy
name like 'Divine Intelligence' doesn't make it
either divine or intelligent.
> Also, these sorts of phenomenon always have a big psychological
> or placebo effect, at least partially. Spiritual people tend
> to be amazingly naive about the science of this effect.
Absolutely. Especially people who have been looking
in vain for some kind of experience for decades in
the TMO or other organization that talked a good game
but never delivered. Give such people a little hit of
even low-grade kundalini and they think they've seen God. :-)
> Still placebos are real, they can have real added benefits -
> it's just that you need to distinguish what is psychological
> and what is truly spiritual, what is your own natural DI
> and what is coming from an "enlightened" guru -- or usually
> disappointments come up later.
If you're expecting such experiences to be anything
*BUT* temporary, you're already setting yourself
up for a disappointment, in my opinion. The teacher
doesn't really "give" anything, although it can be
perceived that way from the student's point of view.
And the experience, as neat as it might be and as
useful at getting rid of doubts ("Oh my gawd...you
mean enlightenment really *does* exist!"), is very
much a temporary experience. If it inspires you to
keep on truckin' and doin' the things that might
make it a more permanent experience for you, then
transmission/empowerment/shaktipat/diksha might be
a good thing for you. If, however, all it does is
turn you into a diksha junkie, saving up for your next
"hit" of bliss from the guru, then in my opinion you
could've saved a lot of time and money by just buying
drugs. One kind of junkie is pretty much the same
as the other kind of junkie.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: deeksha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now i understand what they were saying. (Taste the > strawberry, dont talk about it). The Divine > Intelligence is supremely intelligent so each person > starts to wake up in their own way based on their own > physiology, their own karmas etc. The Divine > Intelligence starts repairing what you need repaired > so it starts to quiet down the parietal lobes and open > up the frontal lobes. It is a bloodless brain surgery. > The chatter of the mind gets less, quietness settles > in (meditation get so much deeper) and life gets more > blissful. That is my experience. > Giving it is a trip. My own experience of the divine > has deepened, and my connection with the Divine has > become very personal. > Life has become very much fun again. It had become > rather boring. Thanks, Steve. Most eloquent. Enjoy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: deeksha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:06:32 - >From: "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 4658 > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman > > wrote: > > > The fact is many people in the movement are > receiving > > deeksha because it gives direct experience of the > > Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has > no > > teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or > > loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure > > experience. > > When and how does this experience occur, and what is > it > like? (I know, "pure experience" isn't "like" > anything, > but...) If it's life-changing, in what sense is it > life-changing? > > > Deeksha is a phenomenon, not a practice. It is the > Divine Grace bestowed on the recipients crown chakra > thru the hands via someone who has been initiated into > the process of giving deeksha. it is a 21 day process. > If it had been earned thru years of tapasya you might > call it a siddhi but since it is a power given > technically it is not, however anyone who goes thru > the initiation can give it at will. > I was turned on to it by the late Steven Shimer and > his wife KAthy Unger. They told me the y had made more > spiritual progress in the past 3 weeks than they had > in the last 10 years. > Now i understand what they were saying. (Taste the > strawberry, dont talk about it). The Divine > Intelligence is supremely intelligent so each person > starts to wake up in their own way based on their own > physiology, their own karmas etc. The Divine > Intelligence starts repairing what you need repaired > so it starts to quiet down the parietal lobes and open > up the frontal lobes. It is a bloodless brain surgery. > The chatter of the mind gets less, quietness settles > in (meditation get so much deeper) and life gets more > blissful. That is my experience. > Giving it is a trip. My own experience of the divine > has deepened, and my connection with the Divine has > become very personal. > Life has become very much fun again. It had become > rather boring. > Namaste > steve Sounds very nice .. but I detect a few caveats are in order. One is that Divine Intelligence (DI) isn't looking to flow just through people who have completed the official 21 day course, offered by the latest hot hindu guru or his certified representative, whose $3000 check has successfully cleared, and is in good psychological and lifestyle standing within the guru's mov't. DI flows much more freely (heck even 14 day course graduates might have it). Maybe there's some juice flowing right now in this group, but if it forgets the all pervasive nature of DI it has already sown the seeds of its corruption. Also, these sorts of phenomenon always have a big psychological or placebo effect, at least partially. Spiritual people tend to be amazingly naive about the science of this effect. Still placebos are real, they can have real added benefits - it's just that you need to distinguish what is psychological and what is truly spiritual, what is your own natural DI and what is coming from an "enlightened" guru -- or usually disappointments come up later. PS -- Did you get bored under the more rigorous regime that Shri Maa was recommending? How do you compare the 2 approaches??? thanks To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: deeksha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:06:32 - >From: "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 4658 > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman > > wrote: > > > The fact is many people in the movement are > receiving > > deeksha because it gives direct experience of the > > Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has > no > > teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or > > loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure > > experience. > > When and how does this experience occur, and what is > it > like? (I know, "pure experience" isn't "like" > anything, > but...) If it's life-changing, in what sense is it > life-changing? > > > Deeksha is a phenomenon, not a practice. It is the > Divine Grace bestowed on the recipients crown chakra > thru the hands via someone who has been initiated into > the process of giving deeksha. it is a 21 day process. > If it had been earned thru years of tapasya you might > call it a siddhi but since it is a power given > technically it is not, however anyone who goes thru > the initiation can give it at will. > I was turned on to it by the late Steven Shimer and > his wife KAthy Unger. They told me the y had made more > spiritual progress in the past 3 weeks than they had > in the last 10 years. > Now i understand what they were saying. (Taste the > strawberry, dont talk about it). The Divine > Intelligence is supremely intelligent so each person > starts to wake up in their own way based on their own > physiology, their own karmas etc. The Divine > Intelligence starts repairing what you need repaired > so it starts to quiet down the parietal lobes and open > up the frontal lobes. It is a bloodless brain surgery. > The chatter of the mind gets less, quietness settles > in (meditation get so much deeper) and life gets more > blissful. That is my experience. > Giving it is a trip. My own experience of the divine > has deepened, and my connection with the Divine has > become very personal. > Life has become very much fun again. It had become > rather boring. > Namaste > steve Not to complain but to explain from another perspective, Steve's description above is how this phenomenon is viewed by and presented by one particular group. But it's a very common phenomenon in the spiritual smorgas- borg, referred to by other names such as empowerment, transmission, shakipat, or whatever. IMO, the name doesn't matter, and the particular method of trans- mission doesn't matter. As Steve says, it's about experience. And the bottom line is that teachers in many other traditions have mastered this ability to *give* the experience of higher states of consciousness. For those who are more interested in experiencing enlightenment than in reading about it or in hearing somebody else talk about it, these techniques of transmission may have a value. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] re: deeksha
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:06:32 - From: "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Digest Number 4658 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The fact is many people in the movement are receiving > deeksha because it gives direct experience of the > Divine, is not a path or a spiritual technique, has no > teachings, no scriptures to read nor is obedience or > loyalty to any gurus needed. It is just pure > experience. When and how does this experience occur, and what is it like? (I know, "pure experience" isn't "like" anything, but...) If it's life-changing, in what sense is it life-changing? Deeksha is a phenomenon, not a practice. It is the Divine Grace bestowed on the recipients crown chakra thru the hands via someone who has been initiated into the process of giving deeksha. it is a 21 day process. If it had been earned thru years of tapasya you might call it a siddhi but since it is a power given technically it is not, however anyone who goes thru the initiation can give it at will. I was turned on to it by the late Steven Shimer and his wife KAthy Unger. They told me the y had made more spiritual progress in the past 3 weeks than they had in the last 10 years. Now i understand what they were saying. (Taste the strawberry, dont talk about it). The Divine Intelligence is supremely intelligent so each person starts to wake up in their own way based on their own physiology, their own karmas etc. The Divine Intelligence starts repairing what you need repaired so it starts to quiet down the parietal lobes and open up the frontal lobes. It is a bloodless brain surgery. The chatter of the mind gets less, quietness settles in (meditation get so much deeper) and life gets more blissful. That is my experience. Giving it is a trip. My own experience of the divine has deepened, and my connection with the Divine has become very personal. Life has become very much fun again. It had become rather boring. Namaste steve __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha, Shaktipat and PowerTouch
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of course in order to give deeksha you have to build up the shakti in > yourself. So being able to give deeksha to yourself becomes a moot > point. :) Peter recently lost his diksha. Perhaps for him, diksha-sui could help. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha, Shaktipat and PowerTouch
Richard J. Williams wrote: >Bhairitu wrote: > > >>My teacher has decided that since people have an >>interest in learning to give shaktipat... >> >> >> >So, your teacher, a former Indian pilot, will teach me how to give the >shaktipat? Are you suggesting that there's some kind of mind-altering >transcendental experience to be had or that this will provide an ideal >opportunity for transcending? > > > It will enhance the experiences of those already meditating. >Question: How much does your teacher charge for the deeksha, and how >much of the money will be sent back to India to your teacher's relatives? > > > We give deeksha for free. >Other questions: > >Does it take 5-7 years to learn? > > > No. >Do I have to memorize any nonsense syllables? > > Depends on what you mean by nonsense syllables. >Do I need to read any books before I get shaktipated? > > > > No. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha, Shaktipat and PowerTouch
> Candles? Are you saying that the diksha givers light > parafin candles > in front of Sai Ma? This must be a typo - you're > supposed to burning > only camphor in front of Sai Maa. I said the *Bhagavan* diksha givers light the candles. --- "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > gullible fool wrote: > > > I think you may have your Maas mixed up. Unless > I > > > missed something I > > > don't see anything about Sai Ma teaching such > > > courses. Also I believe > > > the ones that do have a couple extra zeros > behind > > > the 55. :) > > > > Only one Sai Maa comes up in a yahoo or google > search, > > so it appears that there is only one circulating, > > unlike the three Ammas that I know of. > > > > Here's a list of events if anyone wants to learn > > diskha from the Sai Maa group for 55 dollars or > less: > > > http://www.humanityinunity.org/HIU/Events-Programs/UpcomingSchedule/index.cfm > > > > Although the website may claim that you have to > take > > the one-day intensive first, which would raise the > > price up a bit, a master teacher in NYC told me I > > could take just the three-hour diksha course > planned > > for NYC soon. There's also a combined one-day > > intensive and diksha course in Syracuse in March > for > > only $77. I have no interest in taking any of > their > > diksha courses, because all the Sai Maa diskha > givers > > claim their diksha cannot be given to oneself and > > cannot be given remotely. My own diksha suits me > fine > > on both counts. > > > > I have had diksha from three different Bhagavan > diksha > > givers and I have had diksha from one Sai Maa > diksha > > giver and I preferred the Bhagavan diksha. I think > one > > of the reasons is because the Bhagavan diksha > givers > > put their hands around the crown chakra and the > > Sai Maa diksha givers put their hands on the > forehead > > and another reason is that the Bhagavan diskha > givers > > light candles and play Indian music and make you > > meditate for a good long time first, while the Sai > Maa > > diksha giver gave me just the diksha due to our > having > > limited time. > > > > So far, no one has taken me up on my offer. > > > Candles? Are you saying that the diksha givers light > parafin candles > in front of Sai Ma? This must be a typo - you're > supposed to burning > only camphor in front of Sai Maa. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha, Shaktipat and PowerTouch
gullible fool wrote: > > I think you may have your Maas mixed up. Unless I > > missed something I > > don't see anything about Sai Ma teaching such > > courses. Also I believe > > the ones that do have a couple extra zeros behind > > the 55. :) > > Only one Sai Maa comes up in a yahoo or google search, > so it appears that there is only one circulating, > unlike the three Ammas that I know of. > > Here's a list of events if anyone wants to learn > diskha from the Sai Maa group for 55 dollars or less: > http://www.humanityinunity.org/HIU/Events-Programs/UpcomingSchedule/index.cfm > > Although the website may claim that you have to take > the one-day intensive first, which would raise the > price up a bit, a master teacher in NYC told me I > could take just the three-hour diksha course planned > for NYC soon. There's also a combined one-day > intensive and diksha course in Syracuse in March for > only $77. I have no interest in taking any of their > diksha courses, because all the Sai Maa diskha givers > claim their diksha cannot be given to oneself and > cannot be given remotely. My own diksha suits me fine > on both counts. > > I have had diksha from three different Bhagavan diksha > givers and I have had diksha from one Sai Maa diksha > giver and I preferred the Bhagavan diksha. I think one > of the reasons is because the Bhagavan diksha givers > put their hands around the crown chakra and the > Sai Maa diksha givers put their hands on the forehead > and another reason is that the Bhagavan diskha givers > light candles and play Indian music and make you > meditate for a good long time first, while the Sai Maa > diksha giver gave me just the diksha due to our having > limited time. > > So far, no one has taken me up on my offer. > Candles? Are you saying that the diksha givers light parafin candles in front of Sai Ma? This must be a typo - you're supposed to burning only camphor in front of Sai Maa. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha, Shaktipat and PowerTouch
Bhairitu wrote: > My teacher has decided that since people have an > interest in learning to give shaktipat... > So, your teacher, a former Indian pilot, will teach me how to give the shaktipat? Are you suggesting that there's some kind of mind-altering transcendental experience to be had or that this will provide an ideal opportunity for transcending? Question: How much does your teacher charge for the deeksha, and how much of the money will be sent back to India to your teacher's relatives? Other questions: Does it take 5-7 years to learn? Do I have to memorize any nonsense syllables? Do I need to read any books before I get shaktipated? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha, Shaktipat and PowerTouch
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > You *could* pay three thousand dollars for this class, > > > plus maybe a thousand dollars for a hotel, and maybe > > > five hundred dollars to get to the San Francisco Bay > > > Area. > > > > > > Or, you could learn to give diksha from the Sai Maa > > > master teachers in three hours for 55 dollars. > > > > > > Or, you can email me and I'll tell you how to give > > > yourself and others diksha, free of charge. > > > > Or you could ask yourself why in the hell do I need to > > give diksha without any knowledge of the implications > > of assuming spiritual initiation of others? > > Good point. Otherwise, you're just diksha-iung around. When I first glanced at that, I thought you'd written "diksha-lung", so now I've got Jethro Tull running through my head. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha, Shaktipat and PowerTouch
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You *could* pay three thousand dollars for this class, > > plus maybe a thousand dollars for a hotel, and maybe > > five hundred dollars to get to the San Francisco Bay > > Area. > > > > Or, you could learn to give diksha from the Sai Maa > > master teachers in three hours for 55 dollars. > > > > Or, you can email me and I'll tell you how to give > > yourself and others diksha, free of charge. > > Or you could ask yourself why in the hell do I need to > give diksha without any knowledge of the implications > of assuming spiritual initiation of others? Good point. Otherwise, you're just diksha-iung around. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha, Shaktipat and PowerTouch
You may ask those questions of Swami Abhayanand: [EMAIL PROTECTED] since he is teaching the course. Patrick Gillam wrote: >Do I have to touch others to get the benefits for myself? >Can I just tap my own forehead to get a kundalini rush? >Will I be trained to tell how much kundalini a person can >handle? >When people come to me with their health in jeopardy >because their kundalini is out of control, wil I be qualified >to help them? > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>My teacher has decided that since people have an interest in learning to >>give shaktipat that he will offer a course on it right here in the US. >>We call the technique PowerTouch: >>http://powertouchyoga.com/LearnPT.htm >>This way you don't have to hassle with visas, foreign air travel and it >>can be done on two-week vacation time: >>http://powertouchyoga.com/LearnPT.htm >>Should be fun! >> >>Jai Ma, >>Bhairitu >> >> >> > > > > > > > >To subscribe, send a message to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Or go to: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ >and click 'Join This Group!' >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha, Shaktipat and PowerTouch
Do I have to touch others to get the benefits for myself? Can I just tap my own forehead to get a kundalini rush? Will I be trained to tell how much kundalini a person can handle? When people come to me with their health in jeopardy because their kundalini is out of control, wil I be qualified to help them? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My teacher has decided that since people have an interest in learning to > give shaktipat that he will offer a course on it right here in the US. > We call the technique PowerTouch: > http://powertouchyoga.com/LearnPT.htm > This way you don't have to hassle with visas, foreign air travel and it > can be done on two-week vacation time: > http://powertouchyoga.com/LearnPT.htm > Should be fun! > > Jai Ma, > Bhairitu > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
