[FairfieldLife] Reincarnation of Teddy??

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Is it principle possible that Trump (Nostradamus: trompe) could be 
reincarnation
 of Teddy Roosevelt??
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Reincarnation

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 Pirate Bay?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And our patcheye'd guy rejoices.  I read about it this morning.  Gotta say 
though I was a little disappointed in the Dutch thriller "App" which is both on 
Netflix and Hulu.
 
 On 02/01/2015 11:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   
 



 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Reincarnation

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

And our patcheye'd guy rejoices.  I read about it this morning.  Gotta 
say though I was a little disappointed in the Dutch thriller "App" which 
is both on Netflix and Hulu.


On 02/01/2015 11:33 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Reincarnation

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Reincarnation Songs

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/30/2014 9:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Do you have favorite songs that always trigger a certain train of 
thought? I do. There are songs that -- no matter when or where I hear 
them -- send me off into a reverie of thoughts about places of power, 
about spiritual practice, or about the mysteries of love. And, 
sometimes, about the mysteries of multi-incarnational love, the kind 
that can't really be dealt with properly during one short human 
incarnation, and requires "do-overs." I hear these songs, and Zap! -- 
I'm off tripping through the past and its relationship to the present. 
It's probably just me, but just in case I'm not alone in this folly, 
I'll share a few such songs with the folks here:



Once I Was - Tim Buckley

This song is first in my list of "reincarnation songs," partly because 
it's overtly *about* multi-incarnational love, and partly because of 
memories it brings up for me from a previous incarnation that took 
place earlier in this one. I was a California hippie, madly in love 
with a lady who had breezed into my life and was soon to depart from 
it. When we first met, *both* of us had the same "I *know* this 
person," love-at-first-sight reaction. We had obviously SO been there, 
done that with each other before, and pleasantly enough that we both 
enjoyed repeating the experience. But, after a marvelous two weeks 
together, she was about to return to her home in another country, 
where she had previous commitments that could not be ignored, and that 
left no place for me there. We both knew this going into our fling, 
but the ending was poignant anyway. So on our last night together, I 
took her to a tiny folk club in one of the California beach towns near 
L.A. (I forget which one) to see Tim Buckley. He sang this song. 
Whenever I hear it, I am sitting beside her again in that club, or in 
one of the other places/times we knew each other previously. Magic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ0f5_rz4u4


Daylight Again - Crosby, Stills & Nash

This one is again consciously *about* reincarnation, or at the very 
least, glimpses into past lives. Author Steven Stills wrote it after a 
visit to a Civil War battleground during which he remembered having 
fought and died there. I like it because it's a more compassionate 
take on the wars in which all of us fought and died than that 
rabble-rousing, hawkish Bhagavad-Gita.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMk_Mtw0TIQ


Madame Geneva - Mark Knopfler

There are many of Mark's songs that shift my state of attention to the 
plane of past lives, because I think he writes many of them with 
exactly that in mind. In other words, I think Mark is "remembering" 
these songs as much as he is "creating" them. What else explains the 
power of songs like this one? In the present, he's writing a song 
about a writer of ballads right pretty, back in Shakespeare's time. In 
the past, I strongly suspect he was that writer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QpALGgYiZI


In Your Eyes - Peter Gabriel

Yeah, I know that common TM lore says that this song was written with 
the moment during the Bhagavad-Gita when Arjuna was staring into 
Krishna's eyes as its inspiration. And while that may be partly true, 
I once saw an interview with Gabriel in which he said that it was also 
written about a real lover during this lifetime, one with whom he felt 
he had shared many, many incarnations. I prefer the more mundane 
inspiration. If you can't see the infinity of our existence in your 
current lover's eyes, you sure as fuck aren't going to be able to see 
it in Krishna's.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxCuWORzaBg


Love Song - Bruce Cockburn

This one really tops my personal list of reincarnation songs. Bruce 
wrote it during a period of this-incarnation time in which he was 
fairly convinced that he'd paid his dues in others. This was written 
for the lady who shared his life in both this one, and that one. And 
possibly even the next. I don't know a more lovely expression of 
multi-incarnational love.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qohOpz2hIC8


Anyone else got songs to submit? Songs that have always gotten you to 
thinkin' about this reincarnation thang?

>
Chris Norman & Suzi Quatro - Stumblin' In
http://youtu.be/iGaF4tKUl0o 

>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Reincarnation Songs

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

You can tell if someone is really old when they talk a lot about where 
they've been instead of talking about where they are going. Thanks for 
the memories, Barry.

>

On 6/30/2014 9:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Do you have favorite songs that always trigger a certain train of 
thought? I do. There are songs that -- no matter when or where I hear 
them -- send me off into a reverie of thoughts about places of power, 
about spiritual practice, or about the mysteries of love. And, 
sometimes, about the mysteries of multi-incarnational love, the kind 
that can't really be dealt with properly during one short human 
incarnation, and requires "do-overs." I hear these songs, and Zap! -- 
I'm off tripping through the past and its relationship to the present. 
It's probably just me, but just in case I'm not alone in this folly, 
I'll share a few such songs with the folks here:



Once I Was - Tim Buckley

This song is first in my list of "reincarnation songs," partly because 
it's overtly *about* multi-incarnational love, and partly because of 
memories it brings up for me from a previous incarnation that took 
place earlier in this one. I was a California hippie, madly in love 
with a lady who had breezed into my life and was soon to depart from 
it. When we first met, *both* of us had the same "I *know* this 
person," love-at-first-sight reaction. We had obviously SO been there, 
done that with each other before, and pleasantly enough that we both 
enjoyed repeating the experience. But, after a marvelous two weeks 
together, she was about to return to her home in another country, 
where she had previous commitments that could not be ignored, and that 
left no place for me there. We both knew this going into our fling, 
but the ending was poignant anyway. So on our last night together, I 
took her to a tiny folk club in one of the California beach towns near 
L.A. (I forget which one) to see Tim Buckley. He sang this song. 
Whenever I hear it, I am sitting beside her again in that club, or in 
one of the other places/times we knew each other previously. Magic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ0f5_rz4u4


Daylight Again - Crosby, Stills & Nash

This one is again consciously *about* reincarnation, or at the very 
least, glimpses into past lives. Author Steven Stills wrote it after a 
visit to a Civil War battleground during which he remembered having 
fought and died there. I like it because it's a more compassionate 
take on the wars in which all of us fought and died than that 
rabble-rousing, hawkish Bhagavad-Gita.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMk_Mtw0TIQ


Madame Geneva - Mark Knopfler

There are many of Mark's songs that shift my state of attention to the 
plane of past lives, because I think he writes many of them with 
exactly that in mind. In other words, I think Mark is "remembering" 
these songs as much as he is "creating" them. What else explains the 
power of songs like this one? In the present, he's writing a song 
about a writer of ballads right pretty, back in Shakespeare's time. In 
the past, I strongly suspect he was that writer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QpALGgYiZI


In Your Eyes - Peter Gabriel

Yeah, I know that common TM lore says that this song was written with 
the moment during the Bhagavad-Gita when Arjuna was staring into 
Krishna's eyes as its inspiration. And while that may be partly true, 
I once saw an interview with Gabriel in which he said that it was also 
written about a real lover during this lifetime, one with whom he felt 
he had shared many, many incarnations. I prefer the more mundane 
inspiration. If you can't see the infinity of our existence in your 
current lover's eyes, you sure as fuck aren't going to be able to see 
it in Krishna's.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxCuWORzaBg


Love Song - Bruce Cockburn

This one really tops my personal list of reincarnation songs. Bruce 
wrote it during a period of this-incarnation time in which he was 
fairly convinced that he'd paid his dues in others. This was written 
for the lady who shared his life in both this one, and that one. And 
possibly even the next. I don't know a more lovely expression of 
multi-incarnational love.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qohOpz2hIC8


Anyone else got songs to submit? Songs that have always gotten you to 
thinkin' about this reincarnation thang?

[FairfieldLife] Reincarnation Songs

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Do you have favorite songs that always trigger a certain train of thought? I 
do. There are songs that -- no matter when or where I hear them -- send me off 
into a reverie of thoughts about places of power, about spiritual practice, or 
about the mysteries of love. And, sometimes, about the mysteries of 
multi-incarnational love, the kind that can't really be dealt with properly 
during one short human incarnation, and requires "do-overs." I hear these 
songs, and Zap! -- I'm off tripping through the past and its relationship to 
the present. It's probably just me, but just in case I'm not alone in this 
folly, I'll share a few such songs with the folks here:


Once I Was - Tim Buckley

This song is first in my list of "reincarnation songs," partly because it's 
overtly *about* multi-incarnational love, and partly because of memories it 
brings up for me from a previous incarnation that took place earlier in this 
one. I was a California hippie, madly in love with a lady who had breezed into 
my life and was soon to depart from it. When we first met, *both* of us had the 
same "I *know* this person," love-at-first-sight reaction. We had obviously SO 
been there, done that with each other before, and pleasantly enough that we 
both enjoyed repeating the experience. But, after a marvelous two weeks 
together, she was about to return to her home in another country, where she had 
previous commitments that could not be ignored, and that left no place for me 
there. We both knew this going into our fling, but the ending was poignant 
anyway. So on our last night together, I took her to a tiny folk club in one of 
the California beach towns near L.A. (I
 forget which one) to see Tim Buckley. He sang this song. Whenever I hear it, I 
am sitting beside her again in that club, or in one of the other places/times 
we knew each other previously. Magic. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ0f5_rz4u4


Daylight Again - Crosby, Stills & Nash

This one is again consciously *about* reincarnation, or at the very least, 
glimpses into past lives. Author Steven Stills wrote it after a visit to a 
Civil War battleground during which he remembered having fought and died there. 
I like it because it's a more compassionate take on the wars in which all of us 
fought and died than that rabble-rousing, hawkish Bhagavad-Gita. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMk_Mtw0TIQ


Madame Geneva - Mark Knopfler

There are many of Mark's songs that shift my state of attention to the plane of 
past lives, because I think he writes many of them with exactly that in mind. 
In other words, I think Mark is "remembering" these songs as much as he is 
"creating" them. What else explains the power of songs like this one? In the 
present, he's writing a song about a writer of ballads right pretty, back in 
Shakespeare's time. In the past, I strongly suspect he was that writer. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QpALGgYiZI


In Your Eyes - Peter Gabriel

Yeah, I know that common TM lore says that this song was written with the 
moment during the Bhagavad-Gita when Arjuna was staring into Krishna's eyes as 
its inspiration. And while that may be partly true, I once saw an interview 
with Gabriel in which he said that it was also written about a real lover 
during this lifetime, one with whom he felt he had shared many, many 
incarnations. I prefer the more mundane inspiration. If you can't see the 
infinity of our existence in your current lover's eyes, you sure as fuck aren't 
going to be able to see it in Krishna's. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxCuWORzaBg


Love Song - Bruce Cockburn

This one really tops my personal list of reincarnation songs. Bruce wrote it 
during a period of this-incarnation time in which he was fairly convinced that 
he'd paid his dues in others. This was written for the lady who shared his life 
in both this one, and that one. And possibly even the next. I don't know a more 
lovely expression of multi-incarnational love. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qohOpz2hIC8


Anyone else got songs to submit? Songs that have always gotten you to thinkin' 
about this reincarnation thang? 

[FairfieldLife] Reincarnation, guaranteed

[turquoiseb]

Come back as a tree...

 
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This  is a Bios Urn, a completely biodegradable urn that contains a
single  tree seed. When planted, the tree seed is nourished by and
absorbs the  nutrients from the ashes of your body which are contained
inside. The  urn itself is made from coconut shell and contains
compacted peat and  cellulose. The ashes are mixed with this, and the
seed placed inside. You can even choose which type of tree you'd like to
grow!

Once your remains have been placed into the urn, it can be planted and 
then the seed germinates and begins to grow. You even have the choice to
pick the type of plant you would like to become, depending on what kind 
of planting space you prefer.

[FairfieldLife] Reincarnation talk by Sri Chinmoy

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2oDB7EFxaY&feature=related


Sri Chinmoy Gods plan for His creation

"In the near future a new light will dawn" 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrCFjV_NGAE&feature=related

A Tribute:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00n_nNgtKTo

[FairfieldLife] Reincarnation Songs

[turquoiseb]

Here's a change of pace. Many of us here believe in 
recincarnation. Many of these same people are into 
music. Are there songs you love that, to you, suggest 
that the songwriter captured in words and music 
pretty much *exactly* what life in a past era would 
have felt like, so much so that you suspect they might 
have been there personally? Like, does the song for 
you seem as if the artist is channeling a past 
incarnation?

I can think of a few. One is Mark Knopfler's magnificent 
"Madame Geneva." The POV of the narrator of the ballad 
is remarkably the same as Mark's real-life POV; both sit 
in gin mills from time to time and get paid to write 
about what they see around them in the world. That said,
I actually suspect that Mark may have been there in 
Madame Geneva's on a hanging day, and is not so much 
inventing it as remembering it in this song. But that 
could be because I was probably sitting at the bar 
with him.  :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QpALGgYiZI

I'm a maker of ballads right pretty
I write them right here in the street
You can buy them all over the city
yours for a penny a sheet
I'm a word pecker out of the printers
out of the dens of Gin Lane
I'll write up a scene on a counter
- confessions and sins in the main, boys
confessions and sins in the main

Then you'll find me in Madame Geneva's
keeping the demons at bay
There's nothing like gin for drowning them in
but they'll always be back on a hanging day, on a hanging day

They come rattling over the cobbles
they sit on their coffins of black
Some are struck dumb, some gabble
top-heavy on brandy or sack
The pews are all full of fine fellows
and the hawker has set up her shop
As they're turning them off at the gallows
she'll be selling right under the drop, boys
selling right under the drop

Then you'll find me in Madame Geneva's
keeping the demons at bay
There's nothing like gin for drowning them in
but they'll always be back on a hanging day, on a hanging day 

[FairfieldLife] 'Reincarnation/Enlightenment and Death'

[Robert]

If it is 'attatchent to things' that causes reicarnation...
So, when one becomes enlightened, and beyond attatchment to things..
Then there will be no impetus for the soul, if it is not attatched any thing, 
to any earthly exerience...
Then, when that soul, drops the body, there is no impetus to come back...

[FairfieldLife] Reincarnation in Buddhism and Hinduism

[Yifu]

from Yahoo Ask:

" am writing a comparative analyisis essay about vendantic and Buddhist 
philosophies focusing in on atman and anatman. The problem I am addressing is 
reincarnation. I am having trouble explaining reincarnation for vedanta/hindu. 
I know for Buddhism one has to renouce all attachments and master the gunas as 
well as the yogas to achieve nirvana however if you don't do that then one will 
be reincarnated but how can that even happen if there is no Self (Anatman). I 
just need some explainations from people who have some background knoweldge 
about this topic... or maybe even some websites to help me strengthen my claim. 
"

ANS:
"
I can't speak for Hinduism, but in Buddhism, if I understand it correctly, it 
is actions and their consequences that lead to rebirth, not selves. When looked 
for, the self is never found as an object - that's where the no-self idea comes 
from. But it is important, in Mahayana Buddhism at least, not to confuse the 
two levels - the absolute level and the relative level. It is on the absolute 
level that there is no self; on a relative level, there is someone who gets up, 
goes to work, has experiences, writes on any answers, etc, so there is a self 
but when you try to find it, you can't.

So a rebirth is not really a rebirth of a self, but the karmic consequences of 
impure actions. But it is very much a conundrum how the idea of no-self and 
rebirth can co-exist. What actually is it that is reborn. In Hinduism, it is 
the soul that is reincarnated on its journey to union with God. In Buddhism, 
there is just a ripening of karmic actions, since a self and a soul has never 
been established as existent. So it can't truly be said to be reborn.

People have been discussing this for over 2,000 years, so your question is a 
very ancient one.
 

[FairfieldLife] reincarnation

[Yifu Xero]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Reincarnation accordign to Brahma-suutras?

[Vaj]

On Aug 7, 2009, at 12:35 PM, cardemaister wrote:


http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/bs_3/bs_3-1-insy.html

Adhikaranas IV, V, and VI: (Sutras 22; 23; and 24 to 27) teach that  
the subtle bodies of the souls descending from the Chandraloka  
through the ether, air, etc., do not become identical with ether,  
air, etc., but only live there; that they descend in a short time.  
On entering into a corn or a plant the soul remains merely in  
contact with it which is already animated by another soul. The soul  
after having entered into a corn or a plant, gets connected with him  
who eats the corn or fruit of the plant and performs the act of  
copulation. The soul remains with him till he enters into the  
mother's womb with the seminal fluid injected. The soul ultimately  
enters the mother's womb and is brought forth as a child.



And here I always thought it was from watermelon seeds. Thank Agni and  
Vedic science for setting me straight!

[FairfieldLife] Reincarnation accordign to Brahma-suutras?

[cardemaister]

http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/bs_3/bs_3-1-insy.html

Adhikaranas IV, V, and VI: (Sutras 22; 23; and 24 to 27) teach that the subtle 
bodies of the souls descending from the Chandraloka through the ether, air, 
etc., do not become identical with ether, air, etc., but only live there; that 
they descend in a short time. On entering into a corn or a plant the soul 
remains merely in contact with it which is already animated by another soul. 
The soul after having entered into a corn or a plant, gets connected with him 
who eats the corn or fruit of the plant and performs the act of copulation. The 
soul remains with him till he enters into the mother's womb with the seminal 
fluid injected. The soul ultimately enters the mother's womb and is brought 
forth as a child.

[FairfieldLife] Reincarnation - Why must we return to a physical body?

[do.rflex]

Why must we return to a physical body? 

Certain karmas can be resolved only in the physical world. This is due to the 
fact that on the refined inner planes only three or four of the higher chakras 
are activated; the others are dormant. For nirvikalpa samadhi, all seven 
chakras, as well as the three major energy currents, have to be functioning to 
sustain enough kundalini force to burst through to the Self. 

At the right time, the soul is reborn into a flesh body that will best fulfill 
its karmic pattern. In this process, the current astral body--which is a 
duplicate of the last physical form--is sloughed off as a lifeless shell that 
in due course disintegrates, and a new astral body develops as the new physical 
body grows. 

This entering into another body is called reincarnation, "re-occupying the 
flesh." Generally, the soul, at the time of conception, chooses the body he 
will inhabit but does not actually enter the womb until the infant body takes 
life and begins to move and kick.
 
During our numerous Earth lives, a remarkable variety of life patterns is 
experienced. We exist as male and female, often switching back and forth from 
life to life as the nature becomes more harmonized into a person exhibiting 
both feminine nurturing and masculine intrepidness. 

Therefore, the Hindu knows that the belief in a single life on Earth, followed 
by eternal joy or pain is utterly wrong and causes great anxiety, confusion and 
fear. Hindus know that all souls reincarnate, take one body and then another, 
evolving through experience over long periods of time. 

Like the caterpillar's metamorphosis into the butterfly, death doesn't end our 
existence but frees us to pursue an even greater development. Reincarnation 
ceases when dharma has been well performed, earthly karma is resolved, God is 
fully realized and moksha, liberation, is attained. 

~~ Excerpt from 'Life After Death' 
pdf: http://snipurl.com/kt0c1  [www_hinduismtoday_com] 

[FairfieldLife] Reincarnation?

[off_world_beings]

Reincarnation?

http://gmy.news.yahoo.com/v/13880459


OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Reincarnation pre-registration

[Rick Archer]

China’s 2007 “Reincarnation Law”. 

The case of the 11th Panchen Lama raised implications for what happens upon
the death and subsequent reincarnation of the current Dalai Lama (the 14th)
living in exile. Apparently mindful of its previous experience with the 11th
Panchen Lama, Beijing late in 2007 took steps designed to solidify its
future control over the selection process of Tibetan lamas. On August 3,
2007, the State Administration for Religious Affairs (SARA) issued a set of
regulations, effective September 1, 2007, that require all Tibetan lamas
wishing to reincarnate to obtain prior government approval through the
submission of a “reincarnation application.” In a statement accompanying the
regulations, SARA called the step “an important move to institutionalize
management on reincarnation of living Buddhas.” 

The Dalai Lama’s Special Envoy, Lodi Gyaltsen Gyari, described the new
regulations as a blow against “the heart of Tibetan religious identity.” The
regulations also require that reincarnation applications come from “legally
registered venues” for Tibetan Buddhism — a provision seen as an attempt to
illegalize the reincarnation of the current Dalai Lama, who has declared he
will not be reborn in China if circumstances in Tibet remain unchanged. In
the aftermath of the new reincarnation law, the Dalai Lama also has said
that he is thinking of alternative ways of choosing his successor, including
selecting a candidate before his own death. A Chinese Foreign Ministry
spokesman responded to these comments by saying that such a move would
“violate religious rituals and historical conventions of Tibetan Buddhism.”
The new reincarnation law inserts the Chinese government directly into what
for centuries has been one of the principal mystical and religious aspects
of Tibetan Buddhism. 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Reincarnation in Judaism

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 9/3/07 7:42:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

That's  interesting. There are also Christians that believe in 
reincarnation,  
> but there is no Biblical basis for that belief while there is a  
Biblical 
> basis for one life on Earth then a final  judgement.>>

Oh..yes dear...as long as you ignore where Jesus  stated emphatically 
that John the Baptist was a reincarnation of the old  testament 
prophet Elijah.

And then there's the bit where he said,  "Before Abraham was, I AM, 
and I am you, and you are me, and I am the  Creator, and that I (and 
therefore, you) will be born  again.

OffWorld



Offworld , your retort sounds pretty gay, "Oh.. yes dear.." http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Re: [FairfieldLife] Reincarnation in Judaism

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 9/3/07 5:31:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
>  
>  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   wrote:
> The problem here is that Judaism doesn't teach reincarnation.  
> _,_._,___ 
> Empty Bill opines -  
> Here is an interesting counter-point for your  consideration. His 
book is 
> especially
> interesting for those who were "there and then".
> 
> 
> 
> Reincarnation in Judaism  
> By Rabbi Yonassan  Gershom
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> That's interesting. There are also Christians that believe in  
reincarnation, 
> but there is no Biblical basis for that belief while there is a  
Biblical 
> basis for one life on Earth then a final  judgement.>>


Oh..yes dear...as long as you ignore where Jesus stated emphatically 
that John the Baptist was a reincarnation of the old testament 
prophet Elijah.

And then there's the bit where he said, "Before Abraham was, I AM, 
and I am you, and you are me, and I am the Creator, and that I (and 
therefore, you) will be born again.

OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Reincarnation in Judaism

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 9/3/07 5:31:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   wrote:
The problem here is that Judaism doesn't teach reincarnation.  
_,_._,___ 
Empty Bill opines -  
Here is an interesting counter-point for your  consideration. His book is 
especially
interesting for those who were "there and then".



Reincarnation in Judaism  
By Rabbi Yonassan  Gershom
 






That's interesting. There are also Christians that believe in  reincarnation, 
but there is no Biblical basis for that belief while there is a  Biblical 
basis for one life on Earth then a final  judgement.



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[FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Reincarnation in Judaism

[billy jim]

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  The problem here is that Judaism doesn't teach reincarnation. 
  _,_._,___ 
  Empty Bill opines - 
  Here is an interesting counter-point for your consideration. His book is 
especially
  interesting for those who were "there and then".

   
   
  Reincarnation in Judaism 
  By Rabbi Yonassan Gershom
   
  While traveling on the spiritual speaking circuit, I have met many Hindus who 
were surprised to learn that Jews have teachings about reincarnation. This is 
because Hindus have often heard about Jews and Judaism only through Christian 
missionaries, who refer to "Judeo-Christian tradition" as if it were a single 
religion. Although Christianity sprang from Jewish roots (similar to the way 
Buddhism came from Hinduism), Christian theologians have long ago rejected or 
completely reinterpreted many Jewish teachings. For example, the well-known 
saying of Jesus, "You must be born again," was probably about reincarnation, 
and not necessarily a reference to changing one's religion. (Jews do not have 
missionaries.)
   
  The Hebrew word for reincarnation, gilgul, is derived from a verb which means 
"turning in a circle"-just like samsara, the wheel of death and rebirth 
described in Hindu scriptures. Jewish teachings about gilgul are not explained 
in the Bible, but can be found in a collection of mystical writings called 
kabbalah, which means, in the Hebrew language, "that which has been received." 
For many centuries, kabbalah was a secret, esoteric doctrine, passed only by 
word-of-mouth and initiation from teacher to disciple within Jewish circles. 
Today, many of these mystical teachings have been written in books and 
translated into other languages besides the original Hebrew and Aramaic, making 
them more accessible to everyone. 
   
  Not all Jews believe in kabbalah, however. Like Hinduism, Judaism has 
different schools of thought, which do not always agree with each other. Today 
there are four main ideas about the afterlife taught among Jews: 1) genetic 
survival through one's children; 2) resurrection; 3) Heaven and Hell; and 4) 
reincarnation. Among the more Westernized, rationalistic sects of Jews, 
reincarnation is rarely mentioned, but, on the other hand, many traditional 
Orthodox Jews and all Hasidic Jews still believe in it.
   
  Hasidic Jews are followers of the Baal Shem Tov ("the Master of the Good 
Name"), an enlightened spiritual teacher who lived in Eastern Europe during the 
1700s. Each Hasidic community is made up of families of Hasidim-which means 
"pious ones"-who are organized around a rebbe, which is somewhat different from 
a rabbi. While a rabbi is a scholar of sacred texts, similar to a pundit, a 
Hasidic rebbe is more like a guru. 
   
  The leadership of a Hasidic sect is passed from father to son, because the 
Hasidim believe that the soul of a previous rebbe often comes back as his own 
great-grandchild, in order to continue guiding the community. If the rebbe has 
no son or the son is unworthy, then a successor is chosen from another branch 
of the rebbe's family line. In addition, it is believed that ordinary Jews, who 
have not yet become enlightened, will continue to return many times, in order 
to atone for sins in previous lives. 
   
  Kabbalah also teaches that souls will come back much sooner if their earthly 
lives were cut short prematurely. Examples of this can be found in our own 
century. In recent years, I have met many people who believe that they have 
reincarnated from World War II. Since the publication of my book, Beyond the 
Ashes: Cases of Reincarnation from the Holocaust (A.R.E. Press, 1992), I have 
been receiving correspondence from people in the United States and Europe, who 
have past-life memories of dying in the Nazi concentration camps. In some 
cases, they were born into non-Jewish families this time around, but can 
clearly remember details about Jewish life in Eastern Europe that are not 
well-known to the outside world. 
   
  Jewish mysticism, like Hinduism, also teaches that some souls break the cycle 
of birth and death, to become like angels in the spiritual world. Elijah the 
Prophet is one of these, who, like a Jewish version of the immortal Babaji, 
appears to worthy seekers and initiates them into the deeper mysteries of 
kabbalah.
   
  Rabbi Yonassan Gershom is a traveling storyteller/teacher in the tradition
  of the Hasidic Jews. He is the author of two books and numerous articles
  on Jewish mysticism, and teaches at the Institute for Adult Jewish Studies
  in Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA.

   
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An interesting tale from India.

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[FairfieldLife] Reincarnation as Organic Metaphor

[Rick Archer]

Reincarnation as Organic Metaphor

By David Spero

http://www.davidspero.org

 

The philosophical generosity that birthed the Vedic spirit is completely
absent in today’s world. Our world culture has become religiously
self-righteous and utilitarian. The view that spiritual realization arises
as a gift from nature, a flowering of various invisible, organic processes,
has vanished. 

 

Judeo-Christian-Islamic theologies assert the existence of a God separate
from nature. Accordingly, they tell us that the world was created for a
two-fold purpose, first to glorify this transcendent, separate God, and
second to redeem the human race in time and space. However, this view is
dualistic in nature and ultimately incorrect, for nature does not exist in
linear time. Nature’s time is cyclical. An apple tree produces apples year
after year without any ultimate purpose other than the joy of fruition.
Nature’s functioning is not teleological. Humans tend to
hyper-intellectualize, projecting purposes onto other life forms. They
freeze the fluidity of life into rational concepts. Judeo-Christian-Islamic
dualistic theologies have devastatingly stained the spiritual fabric of our
world.

  

Reincarnation is a charming, sensuous metaphor for organic life in
migration. Rebirth was not meant to create the impression of a linear march
(of births) through time. Instead it pointed to the world as fertile soil in
which human beings might flourish. The ancient Vedic rishis, or seers, were
ardent lovers of nature – even nature-worshippers. In the natural world they
saw the “reason” for existence, filled as it was with spontaneous displays
of overwhelming beauty. Skies, seas, mountains, fragrances of sweet flowers,
were meant to lift the human spirit into supra-sensual ecstasies.
Perceptual, emotional, and mental faculties were spiritually stimulated by
natural phenomena. Knowledge and devotion were like strings on a guitar,
fusing into the melodic rhythm of the total human being. Lila, the spirit of
playfulness, the self-generating power seen in nature, was the universe’s
matrix, the ultimate “reason” for its existence. 

 

Evolution allows the soul’s maturation through time, carried by the force of
desire. Just as a flower requires sunlight to live and grow, human beings
blossom through yearning. Desire is not a dirty word, as certain spiritual
traditions insist. Desire’s force serves the expansion of human
consciousness as it matures and deepens into a painful hunger for God,
culminating in moksha, spiritual liberation. Liberation or moksha is
actually desire’s fruition, not its negation. 

 

The yogas of karma, jnana, bhakti, and raja were the spiritual paths of
action, discrimination, devotion, and meditation. They conveyed a theme of
adapting any and every form of human activity into the Self or pure
consciousness. These spiritual paths affirmed compassionately that any type
of person could awaken from dualistic experience, and evolve from the waking
state to unlimited Brahman consciousness. 

 

Samsara, often referred to as the wheel of birth and death, the field in
which transmigration occurs, literally meant “running together,” or
“wandering.” Samsara referred to living movement, like that of a meandering
river. This non-mechanistic image starkly contradicts the guilt-ridden idea
of rebirth as retribution. It nullifies the cold notion of physical
embodiment as a mechanical exercise carried out by the indifferent principle
of cause and effect. Judeo-Christian-Islamic monotheistic, utilitarian
theologies seeped into the fabric of Hinduism over the centuries, tainting
its immaculate, highly metaphorical, notion of rebirth.

 

The rebirth process was carried out by the vasanas, infinitely subtle,
wave-like energy patterns. Vasanas transmigrated from body to body, bridging
incarnations. Curiously, the word vasana comes from the root VAS, which
means “to perfume.” A human being “perfumed” from body to body. Vasanas,
trans-fleshly fragrances, organic blueprints of matter and psyche, were the
potentialities of consciousness, acting to transform matter into energy, and
vice versa. A reincarnated human being was hardly considered a heap of
residual, karmic debris. He was a floating fragrance, evanescent as a wisp
of air, seeking a proper nervous system, one that would in-breathe him into
human form. 

 

This ethereal view of rebirth may sound effeminate and oversimplified in
today’s overly patriarchal spiritual climate. A circular, self-generating
reality cannot be grasped by a mind obsessed with purposes. Reincarnation,
organically understood through metaphors, exasperates the strategies of the
rational mind to obliterate a spontaneous ontology. Only a mind freed from
utilitarian consciousness can grasp the reality purposeless existence. Time,
space, and nature vibrate as webs of energetic frequencies, organic nexuses
through which living forms grow. These frequencies may be grasped
intuitively by a po

[FairfieldLife] Reincarnation, an article by Felicity Eliot. From Share Internatinal News

[nablus108]

   What reincarnation could have done for history
by Felicity Eliot


A study of history has certain inevitable consequences, one of which 
is the `what-if' and `if only' theory. This is the sort of awareness 
of what might have happened which only hindsight affords. The 
following is a brutally brief glance at the history of reincarnation —
 a history which tempts one to indulge in more what-iffing than 
usual. For the sake of all, we will suppose Atlantis never was and 
start where standard received history normally begins. Poor Western 
man. For centuries he has suffered, confronted with absurdity, 
meaninglessness and injustice. Death, blind faith, materialism, 
political and patriotic passion were possible antidotes. But whether 
he applied the remedy of faith and dogma, or of materialism, indeed 
whatever was tried, his reality remained fragmented. However he tried 
to make sense of life and death some nagging questions remained. (If 
only the teachings of Origen had not been pronounced anathema...)

There is one way — the way of knowledge through experience and 
intuition. This is the way of the initiates, the great thinkers, 
whose names are well known and whose impact is felt even centuries 
later. Space does not allow anything but the briefest mention of 
these extraordinary and highly evolved people. A list of brilliant 
thinkers, who intuited and taught the doctrine of rebirth is 
virtually endless. Let us name a few: Plato, Pythagoras, Origen, St. 
Augustine, Philo Judaeus, Paracelsus, Boehme, Spinoza, Leibniz, 
Schopenhauer, Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Bruno, Kant, Blake, 
Schiller, Emerson, Thoreau, Whitman, Browning, Flaubert, Wagner, 
Tolstoy, Kipling, Sibelius, McTaggart, Gandhi.

Golden seam

Tracing the idea of rebirth backwards into remote times, we find that 
it runs like a golden seam through the thought and teachings of some 
of these greatest minds and existed too in early cultures. That a 
belief in reincarnation forms a basic part of many eastern religions 
is well known. What may be surprising to some is its acceptance by 
peoples and cultures as diverse as some African tribes and the 
Eskimos; Australian and Finns, Lapps, Danes and Norse; Pacific 
Islanders and Celts of Gaul, Wales, England and Ireland. In other 
words, it is not difficult to make a case for reincarnation. The idea 
seems to have been with mankind from earliest times and in many 
different often unconnected cultures.

In the development of Western civilization the doctrine of rebirth is 
always present: explicit and popular at times, persecuted and forced 
underground at others, the essence of philosophers' teachings, the 
cause of cruel deaths. It formed an integral part of many religions 
including Christianity. The doctrine of metempsychosis was always 
known to esoteric groups: the Egyptian and Greek Mystery Schools, in 
the Hermetic tradition, part of Kabalism, Manicheism, Gnosticism, 
Sufism, to give a few examples.

Philosophical tradition

The great initiate-philosophers knew and taught metempsychosis. 
Pythagoras, Plato, Pindar, Herodotus the historian and Socrates all 
believed in reincarnation. Pythagoras had the surname `Mnesarchides', 
which means `one who remembers his origins'. According to Diogenes 
Laertius in his Life of Pythagoras, the sage talked of previous lives 
which he recalled.

Pindar is quite explicit not only about the soul's immortality and 
its cyclical manifestation but also on the subject of karma and 
evolution into greater divinity: "As for those from whom Persephone 
has exacted the penalty of their ancient sins, she once more 
restoreth their souls to the upper sunlight; and from these come into 
being august monarchs, and men who are swift in strength and supreme 
in wisdom; and for all future time, men call them sainted heroes." 
(`supreme in wisdom', `sainted heroes' — a description which accords 
so well with those we have from various disciples of their Masters!) 
Socrates we know of through his pupil Plato; both accepted the 
doctrine of rebirth, which rendered Socrates quite fearless, so that 
he was able to devote "his last morning to reasoning on the real 
distinction of the soul from the body, and the grounds for believing 
that it is neither born with the body nor dies with it" Plato's 
ideas on reincarnation had an enormous influence on Western 
literature and philosophy. The Platonic Schools of Athens, modelled 
on his Academy, flourished for nine centuries until a decree by 
Justinian forbade their existence.

Rome's history was influenced by neighbouring Greece. (Pythagoras 
settled in southern Italy, where he founded a religious-philosophical 
group. The Stoics held that the soul is immortal and periodically 
reincarnates. A powerful advocate for the idea of rebirth was 
Posidonius, born in Syria a little over a century before Christ. 
Among those who heard him speak was Cicero who himself gradually 
became a reincarnationist. Other famous Roman names conn

Re: [FairfieldLife] Reincarnation

[Sal Sunshine]

You can forward them, Rick, but you have to wait until the next lifetime. :)

Sal


On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:54 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

 Interesting stuff. When you send me these things, do you want me to forward them to FFL, or are they just for me?

[FairfieldLife] Reincarnation

[Rick Archer]

Title: Reincarnation





From a friend:

Hi Rick,

yeah, this re-incarnation stuff could go into FFL.
I can make marks each time, when it should not...

Thanx for answering.

It really is amazing, since I was truthful, and ONLY did TM + all the rest like sidhis,
I got, what was promised. The fruit of all knowledge, or all the other pictures of what it is,
when you can see inside.
I would say, be innocent and truthful to yourself, and you will get it.
We are made out of knowledge, so we should arrive at that sooner or later
And all I do is trying to bring people to that experience themselves.
Like this one:
http://joerg.8m.com/vedas/doe5.html

cheers


joerg.



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on 4/17/06 6:43 AM, joerg dao at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Hi Rick,

I was also speculating about that subject since reading Yogananda.
But later, I got some real good insights about it.
And yes, some of the former famous ones are back.
Like Beethoven (I was shaking hands with him once - but he is NOT in
the music business), Mozart, and Dr. Freud, who is living in Vienna again,
and nearly did my EmC-training.
http://joergdao.fortunecity.de/india3.html#

So, the guru of Yogananda, Yuktesvar, is back, and he is in London, doing healing.
For me, there is a clear pattern. Being holy in India, means, you step up, and
can go into the promised land, which at this time is europe (or US), with all its
boundless riches.

And with more sessions in EmC, I could really detect more of these people.

When I met Hans Vater, I could see some of his former .
did you think, that all TMers are the nice one`s, really ?
If you see their patterns.hm

So on my course I reveal at least one line of incarnation, the rest is not open to
discussion, since it is the inner rule, that everybody has to work out his / her own insights

Or to say it reverse: It`s not allowed to confuse people with no inisghts,

So Mr. M. must have had a lot exitment to have some of the really big shots in his movement,
like the guy who rescued europe from the turcs at vienna in 16... something, he was
TM-teacher, quite successful, always tried to look like a king, why not ?

cheers

joerg.








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[FairfieldLife] 'Reincarnation/Racism/Karma/Pain'

[Robert Gimbel]

We have all heard the saying: "As You Sow, So Shall You Reap"
I heard Maharishi say, one time, not to focus too much on past lives,
because there maybe some shocking things in the past; which you may 
not want to know about.
As far as aligning with any racist group, under whatever name or 
function;
Let's remember how many people were drawn into this concept, 
especially last century, in Germany, and Japan.
Sure one of the lessons of that time, is at first, these culture's 
felt powerful, and successful, and united, in their attunement to a 
leader telling them they were superior, and the other's were not;
And that they needed to be destroyed;
But in the end the Creator doesn't see his creation, as some are 
superior, and some not worth a right to live and a right to be, to 
exist.
And in just a few years, the great leader had cowardly committed 
suicide, and destroyed his country, to ashes.
The point here I am making, is this:
What do you suppose happened to the many people who participated, in 
these Nazi rallies, participated in the torture, and rape and killing 
of millions of people, men, woman and innocent children.
What do you think the law, of 'sowing and reaping' would provide,
for one's who participated in this madness?
Do you think that in their next incarnation,
They just might experience some of the pain,
Which they enthusiastically and knowingly particated in.
Do, you think that nature does remember?,
and that some just might have to come back to experience,
the pain, humiliation, and the loss of life, property, and children,
that they had inflicted on those in the previous incarnation?
I can see why Maharishi, might have said not to dwell too much,
on these past incarnations;
for indeed, it may be a shock to know where you were, what you were 
aligned with, and the actions that were perpetrated, on innocents./
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