[FairfieldLife] Re: Ignoring suffering of everyone who isn't Terri Schiavo

2005-03-29 Thread shempmcgurk


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ranigdv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[snip]

 And while President Bush and Congress rushed to intervene in the 
 Schiavo case, saying they were acting to preserve life, they were in 
 no hurry to discuss their proposed cuts to Medicaid, which helps the 
 poor. And they avoided talking about the tens of millions of 
 Americans with no health insurance and how many of them will die for 
 lack of it.

[snip]

If you're going to talk about health insurance, Medicaid, the poor 
and dying for lack of (health insurance), please get your facts 
straight.

The United States federal government spent about $188 billion on the 
Medicaid program last year.  Because it is a dollar-for-dollar state-
federal matching program that means that an additional $188 billion 
was spent on Medicaid by the states...for a total of over $375 billion 
spent on Medicaid, a program whose sole purpose is to pay the health 
care costs of those who can't afford it.

My friend, that's about ONE THIRD OF A TRILLION DOLLARS spent via 
American taxpayers to pay for health care for those who either can't 
afford it or don't have health insurance (or didn't qualify) and had 
to spend down their assets in order to pay for health costs.

And that's JUST Medicaid...MediCARE (a totally different federal 
program) spends hundreds of billions of dollars a year to pay for the 
health care of senior citizens.

If anyone is dying, as you claim, in the U.S. health care system it 
is NOT for lack of socialized medicine or for lack of throwing 
taxpayers money at the problem...or because we are an 
uncaring capitalistic society who are behind the oh-so-superior 
Europeans and Canadians who, of course, are so much more evolved than 
us because they have universal health care programs.  If people 
are dying it's for other reasons (i.e. malpractise, malnutrition, 
etc.)

Just to give you a perspective on the over $375 billion spent just by 
Medicaid to pay for the health care of the poor in the U.S.: the 
ENTIRE Canadian federal budget is about $200 billion in CANADIAN 
dollars (about $160 billion in U.S. dollars).

It may not be perfect but no one is dying in the U.S. health care 
system because of cold, cruel capitalists who turn away suffering 
people from hospital emergency rooms because they don't have private 
health insurance (which, by the way, is illegal to do -- hospitals, by 
law, MUST treat anyone that comes through their doors...which, by the 
way, is yet ANOTHER example of socialized medicine in the U.S.).

Both I and my 1040 Form federal income tax form (from which I pay a 
whole lot of taxes towards the above mentioned programs) take 
exception to what you say.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ignoring suffering of everyone who isn't Terri Schiavo

2005-03-29 Thread rudra_joe





Yeah, it's true I was dying from food poisoning 
after three days not drinking and throwing up and I went to Charity Hospital and 
they hooked me up. They rocked. Gotta thank them. 60 bucks maybe.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  shempmcgurk 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 12:23 
  PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ignoring 
  suffering of everyone who isn't Terri Schiavo
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  ranigdv [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
  wrote:[snip] And while President Bush and Congress rushed 
  to intervene in the  Schiavo case, saying they were acting to preserve 
  life, they were in  no hurry to discuss their proposed cuts to 
  Medicaid, which helps the  poor. And they avoided talking about the 
  tens of millions of  Americans with no health insurance and how many 
  of them will die for  lack of it.[snip]If you're going 
  to talk about health insurance, Medicaid, the poor and "dying for lack of 
  (health insurance)", please get your facts straight.The United 
  States federal government spent about $188 billion on the Medicaid program 
  last year. Because it is a dollar-for-dollar state-federal matching 
  program that means that an additional $188 billion was spent on Medicaid 
  by the states...for a total of over $375 billion spent on Medicaid, a 
  program whose sole purpose is to pay the health care costs of those who 
  can't afford it.My friend, that's about ONE THIRD OF A TRILLION 
  DOLLARS spent via American taxpayers to pay for health care for those who 
  either can't afford it or don't have health insurance (or didn't qualify) 
  and had to spend down their assets in order to pay for health 
  costs.And that's JUST Medicaid...MediCARE (a totally different federal 
  program) spends hundreds of billions of dollars a year to pay for the 
  health care of senior citizens.If anyone is "dying", as you claim, 
  in the U.S. health care system it is NOT for lack of socialized medicine 
  or for lack of throwing taxpayers money at the problem...or because we are 
  an uncaring "capitalistic" society who are behind the oh-so-superior 
  Europeans and Canadians who, of course, are so much more evolved than 
  us because they have universal health care programs. If people 
  are "dying" it's for other reasons (i.e. malpractise, malnutrition, 
  etc.)Just to give you a perspective on the over $375 billion spent 
  just by Medicaid to pay for the health care of the poor in the U.S.: the 
  ENTIRE Canadian federal budget is about $200 billion in CANADIAN 
  dollars (about $160 billion in U.S. dollars).It may not be perfect 
  but no one is "dying" in the U.S. health care system because of cold, 
  cruel capitalists who turn away suffering people from hospital emergency 
  rooms because they don't have private health insurance (which, by the way, 
  is illegal to do -- hospitals, by law, MUST treat anyone that comes 
  through their doors...which, by the way, is yet ANOTHER example of 
  socialized medicine in the U.S.).Both I and my 1040 Form federal 
  income tax form (from which I pay a whole lot of taxes towards the above 
  mentioned programs) take exception to what you 
  say.To subscribe, send a message 
  to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and 
  click 'Join This Group!' 


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