[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > genetics are the inherited physical expression of past > > lives, and > > > > > > correlated with the family we incarnate into. Now that's > > > precision! > > > > > > > > > > Yes. But I'm talking about 2 separate lines: body (genetic > > entity) > > > > > and spirit (soul) > > > > > > > > right. me too. same vibration, same karma, just manifested > > > differently. > > > > > > who says? > > > > ??? > > How do you know that pirit and matter are differently manifested? Who > told you this? How did THEY know? you forgot to add, 'please see me after class' in red ink. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > genetics are the inherited physical expression of past > lives, and > > > > > correlated with the family we incarnate into. Now that's > > precision! > > > > > > > > Yes. But I'm talking about 2 separate lines: body (genetic > entity) > > > > and spirit (soul) > > > > > > right. me too. same vibration, same karma, just manifested > > differently. > > > > who says? > > ??? How do you know that pirit and matter are differently manifested? Who told you this? How did THEY know? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > genetics are the inherited physical expression of past lives, and > > > > correlated with the family we incarnate into. Now that's > precision! > > > > > > Yes. But I'm talking about 2 separate lines: body (genetic entity) > > > and spirit (soul) > > > > right. me too. same vibration, same karma, just manifested > differently. > > who says? ??? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > -Celibacy is also OCD. > > > > > > I guess so, wouldn't know. I never understood why > > anyone would go > > that > > > route. Have you tried it? > > > > > > > > > 2 years when I was on purusha. When even > > trees and animals > > started looking sexy I was honest with myself and > > decided to go. > > > > yeah, the sex drive is too powerful to be willed > > away. I've wrestled > > with it often. > > I was on Purusha when it first started. We moved to > MIU and during the springtime I was assigned to go > around and work on thermostats in all the dorms and > pods. One fine Spring day I turned the corner around a > pod and there before my eye lay three beautiful > topless MIU girls sunning themselves in a little > alcove. Oh my God! My kundalini roared to life in my > second chakra. I just couldn't get the image of that > sea of undulating breats and firm flesh from my mind. > I left Purusha soon afterward a got a girlfriend for > the first time in about ten years and screwed my > brains out. Never felt better in my life! > SOunds like you were following MMY's advice on celibacy... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > genetics are the inherited physical expression of past lives, and > > > correlated with the family we incarnate into. Now that's precision! > > > > Yes. But I'm talking about 2 separate lines: body (genetic entity) > > and spirit (soul) > > right. me too. same vibration, same karma, just manifested differently. who says? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > genetics are the inherited physical expression of past lives, and > > correlated with the family we incarnate into. Now that's precision! > > Yes. But I'm talking about 2 separate lines: body (genetic entity) > and spirit (soul) How do you know its 2 separate lines... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not school age, rather pre-school age. I mentioned > > > > > that this can occur at a very early age to point out > > > > > that it is quite possible that people are born with > > > > > this, or the tendency to develop this. It seemed > > > > > like > > > > > your first post dismissed the possibility of a > > > > > physiologic or inherited cause altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > What about past life baggage? > > > > > > > > How would that be differnent than inherited? > > > To me, inherited implies genetics. I'm talking past life incidents; > things not yet resolved from the past. The spirit and experiences as > a continuum. So how are these memories or whatevers transmitted? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You should look into Mucuna pruriens, which is a natural form of L. Dopamine which is a serotonin precursor. > > http://www.rain-tree.com/velvetbean.htm > > http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php? Cat=0&Board=Garden&Number=2752717&Searchpage=1&Main=2727398&Words=l.do pa&topic=&Search=true#Post2752717 > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: marekreavis > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:24 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > **SNIP** > > >if anyone has had any > > > experience and/or > > > results from the OTC supplement, 5-HTP? http://tinyurl.com/8cyql To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- Llundrub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > lay three beautiful > > topless MIU girls sunning themselves in a little > > alcove. Oh my God! > > > Trishakti? must have been! __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
lay three beautiful> topless MIU girls sunning themselves in a little> alcove. Oh my God! Trishakti? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Even now I still laugh about it. It was like getting > hit by a nuclear lust bomb. I just exploded with lust. > Pure lust roaring through every cell in my body. > Aching screaming lust. I just wanted to > UKKK!! > yeah, went through something similar (though wasn't 'trying' to be celibate- just ended up that way). oops, better be careful or Kirk's gonna get started... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was on Purusha when it first started. We moved > to > > MIU and during the springtime I was assigned to go > > around and work on thermostats in all the dorms > and > > pods. One fine Spring day I turned the corner > around a > > pod and there before my eye lay three beautiful > > topless MIU girls sunning themselves in a little > > alcove. Oh my God! My kundalini roared to life in > my > > second chakra. I just couldn't get the image of > that > > sea of undulating breats and firm flesh from my > mind. > > I left Purusha soon afterward a got a girlfriend > for > > the first time in about ten years and screwed my > > brains out. Never felt better in my life! > > > talk about wish fulfillment- great story! Thanks for > sharing- ha-ha- > ha! Even now I still laugh about it. It was like getting hit by a nuclear lust bomb. I just exploded with lust. Pure lust roaring through every cell in my body. Aching screaming lust. I just wanted to UKKK!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Or go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail > SpamGuard. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was on Purusha when it first started. We moved to > MIU and during the springtime I was assigned to go > around and work on thermostats in all the dorms and > pods. One fine Spring day I turned the corner around a > pod and there before my eye lay three beautiful > topless MIU girls sunning themselves in a little > alcove. Oh my God! My kundalini roared to life in my > second chakra. I just couldn't get the image of that > sea of undulating breats and firm flesh from my mind. > I left Purusha soon afterward a got a girlfriend for > the first time in about ten years and screwed my > brains out. Never felt better in my life! > talk about wish fulfillment- great story! Thanks for sharing- ha-ha- ha! > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > -Celibacy is also OCD. > > > > I guess so, wouldn't know. I never understood why > anyone would go > that > > route. Have you tried it? > > > > > > 2 years when I was on purusha. When even > trees and animals > started looking sexy I was honest with myself and > decided to go. > > yeah, the sex drive is too powerful to be willed > away. I've wrestled > with it often. I was on Purusha when it first started. We moved to MIU and during the springtime I was assigned to go around and work on thermostats in all the dorms and pods. One fine Spring day I turned the corner around a pod and there before my eye lay three beautiful topless MIU girls sunning themselves in a little alcove. Oh my God! My kundalini roared to life in my second chakra. I just couldn't get the image of that sea of undulating breats and firm flesh from my mind. I left Purusha soon afterward a got a girlfriend for the first time in about ten years and screwed my brains out. Never felt better in my life! > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > -Celibacy is also OCD. > > I guess so, wouldn't know. I never understood why anyone would go that > route. Have you tried it? > > > 2 years when I was on purusha. When even trees and animals started looking sexy I was honest with myself and decided to go. yeah, the sex drive is too powerful to be willed away. I've wrestled with it often. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > genetics are the inherited physical expression of past lives, and > > correlated with the family we incarnate into. Now that's precision! > > Yes. But I'm talking about 2 separate lines: body (genetic entity) > and spirit (soul) right. me too. same vibration, same karma, just manifested differently. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
You should look into Mucuna pruriens, which is a natural form of L. Dopamine which is a serotonin precursor. http://www.rain-tree.com/velvetbean.htm http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Garden&Number=2752717&Searchpage=1&Main=2727398&Words=l.dopa&topic=&Search=true#Post2752717 - Original Message - From: marekreavis To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:**SNIP**> >if anyone has had any> > experience and/or > > results from the OTC supplement, 5-HTP? It is the> > immediate > > precursor to the neurotransmitter, Serotonin, which> > the lack of > > availability at the synaptic gaps is addressed by> > Prozac, Zoloft and > > the other SSRI's (selective serotonin re-uptake> > inhibitors).> > > > Serotonin in the body is made slowly and the idea of> > regular > > supplement of its immediate precursor is thought to> > help obviate > > depression, etc. Anyone? Dr. Pete?> > > > Thanks,> > > > Marek> > I'm not familiar with it. Any research at all?> **END**Not that I'm aware of (but I haven't checked either). Thought you might know. I take it everyday just to help keep the serotonin cupboard stocked. I have heard anecdotally that it helps with depression; depression, of course, linked with low serotonin levels.It is frequently taken by users of ecstacy (MDMA) to offset the serotonin depletion that accompanies that substance use.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: **SNIP** > >if anyone has had any > > experience and/or > > results from the OTC supplement, 5-HTP? It is the > > immediate > > precursor to the neurotransmitter, Serotonin, which > > the lack of > > availability at the synaptic gaps is addressed by > > Prozac, Zoloft and > > the other SSRI's (selective serotonin re-uptake > > inhibitors). > > > > Serotonin in the body is made slowly and the idea of > > regular > > supplement of its immediate precursor is thought to > > help obviate > > depression, etc. Anyone? Dr. Pete? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marek > > I'm not familiar with it. Any research at all? > **END** Not that I'm aware of (but I haven't checked either). Thought you might know. I take it everyday just to help keep the serotonin cupboard stocked. I have heard anecdotally that it helps with depression; depression, of course, linked with low serotonin levels. It is frequently taken by users of ecstacy (MDMA) to offset the serotonin depletion that accompanies that substance use. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
> > -Celibacy is also OCD.I guess so, wouldn't know. I never understood why anyone would go that route. Have you tried it?2 years when I was on purusha. When even trees and animals started looking sexy I was honest with myself and decided to go. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > genetics are the inherited physical expression of past lives, and > correlated with the family we incarnate into. Now that's precision! Yes. But I'm talking about 2 separate lines: body (genetic entity) and spirit (soul) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" > To me, inherited implies genetics. I'm talking past life incidents; > things not yet resolved from the past. The spirit and experiences as > a continuum. genetics are the inherited physical expression of past lives, and correlated with the family we incarnate into. Now that's precision! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Artificially create a sense of control. If this means doing stuff > over and over or finding another aspect of our lives to obsess over, > it is all about control, and the attempt to create it in our lives. > > > -Celibacy is also OCD. LOL! That one I get ... although I'm not sure my wife would ;) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Artificially create a sense of control. If this means doing stuff > over and over or finding another aspect of our lives to obsess over, > it is all about control, and the attempt to create it in our lives. > > > -Celibacy is also OCD. I guess so, wouldn't know. I never understood why anyone would go that route. Have you tried it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Not school age, rather pre-school age. I mentioned > > > > that this can occur at a very early age to point out > > > > that it is quite possible that people are born with > > > > this, or the tendency to develop this. It seemed > > > > like > > > > your first post dismissed the possibility of a > > > > physiologic or inherited cause altogether. > > > > > > > > What about past life baggage? > > > > > How would that be differnent than inherited? To me, inherited implies genetics. I'm talking past life incidents; things not yet resolved from the past. The spirit and experiences as a continuum. > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Not school age, rather pre-school age. I mentioned > > > that this can occur at a very early age to point out > > > that it is quite possible that people are born with > > > this, or the tendency to develop this. It seemed > > > like > > > your first post dismissed the possibility of a > > > physiologic or inherited cause altogether. > > > > What about past life baggage? > > How would that be differnent than inherited? > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
Artificially create a sense of control. If this means doing stuff over and over or finding another aspect of our lives to obsess over, it is all about control, and the attempt to create it in our lives. -Celibacy is also OCD. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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> > > --- gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Not school age, rather pre-school age. I mentioned > > that this can occur at a very early age to point out > > that it is quite possible that people are born with > > this, or the tendency to develop this. It seemed > > like > > your first post dismissed the possibility of a > > physiologic or inherited cause altogether. What about past life baggage? > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not school age, rather pre-school age. I mentioned > that this can occur at a very early age to point out > that it is quite possible that people are born with > this, or the tendency to develop this. It seemed > like > your first post dismissed the possibility of a > physiologic or inherited cause altogether. It was too cursory response. No, I see most of the psychological disorders as psycho-physiological: the whole mind/brain perspective. > I would not ordinarily view the "psychodymanics > of the mind: defenses and self-organization", as you > say, to be be much an issue with one and two year > old > children. But that's not my field, and I am > interested > if you believe these psychodynamics start that > early. The organization of the personality starts as soon as there is a viable nervous system; it starts pre-natally. The formation is most intense from birth to about 5 or 6 years. The psyches of 2 years olds are very, very active! > > --- Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > --- gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > OCD is an anxiety disorder. The obsessions > > and > > > > > > compulsions are a defense against an > > > emotionally > > > > > > disorganized experience. The source of the > > > > > > disorganization has to be addressed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says? > > > > > > > Me. I'm a clinical psychologist. I do this for > a > > > > living. > > > > > > Then how come this disorder is found in children > > at > > > nursery school age? And how come this disorder > > tends > > > to run in families? > > > > > > The fact is, no one knows what causes it. > > > > No, that's not true. I'm discussing the > > psychodymanics > > of the mind: defenses and self-organization. Of > > course > > there is a genetic component. And why do you see > my > > rather cursory explanation contradicted by school > > age > > children with this diagnosis? I'll discuss this > with > > you, but unless you have a mental health > background > > you do not have enough foundational knowledge to > > discuss this in any informed manner. I'm not > trying > > to > > be arrogant, but without training and experience > > with > > the mentally ill it's just opinion and not > > understanding. Sorry! In the same way, whatever > your > > field of expertise is, I wouldn't try to > contradict > > you or offer a critique because I don't know > enough > > about it beyond mere opionion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > > Sutphen > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- cardemaister > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > > > "sparaig" > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > > "Phil > > > > > > > Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Another interpretation of the > > > observation > > > > > below > > > > > > > about the use of > > > > > > > > antidepressants: a lot of TM veterans > > > might > > > > > have > > > > > > > been clinically > > > > > > > > depressed for years and hoping that > the > > > > > program > > > > > > > would cure the > > > > > > > problem - > > > > > > > > - and/or assuming that getting help > for > > > the > > > > > > > condition was > > > > > > > > somehow "unspiritual." In which case, > > > > finally > > > > > > > doing something > > > > > > > about it > > > > > > > > may be a sign of maturity as much as > > > > > > > disillusionment with the TMO. > > > > > > > By > > > > > > > > the way, I say this because I spoke to > a > > > > > scientist > > > > > > > who recently > > > > > > > > published a study on the use of > > > > > antidepressants > > > > > > > among long-term > > > > > > > > Buddhist meditators, so it's not > unique > > to > > > > the > > > > > TM > > > > > > > world. This, of > > > > > > > > course, does not in any way diminish > the > > > > very > > > > > real > > > > > > > despair caused > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > finding out the emperor has fewer > > clothes > > > > than > > > > > one > > > > > > > imagined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm on prozac and my son is on > something > > > > else. > > > > > We > > > > > > > both meditate and > > > > > > > > swear by it. That we have something a > > bit > > > > > tougher > > > > > > > than TM by itself > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > handle doesn't invalidate TM. I was > told > > > to > > > > go > > > > > to > > > > > > > sleep by 9PM > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > night and I almost never do. Maybe TM > + > > > 9PM > > > > > > > bedtime would be > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
strictly as a lay person I've always believed that mental illnesses are merely an extension of the subtle craziness many of us experience and undertake as an unenlightened accommodation to daily life. Having said that, and read about folks with OCD, it seems to me that most of us have a need to at least create the illusion of being in control. Common Sense 101. So if we don't feel we are in control, what do we do? Artificially create a sense of control. If this means doing stuff over and over or finding another aspect of our lives to obsess over, it is all about control, and the attempt to create it in our lives. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > OCD is an anxiety disorder. The obsessions and > > > > compulsions are a defense against an emotionally > > > > disorganized experience. The source of the > > > > disorganization has to be addressed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says? > > > > Me. I'm a clinical psychologist. I do this for a > > living. > > I'm aware of that. What physiological evidence is that obsessions and > compusions are a defense against an emotionally disorganized > experience, and how does an SSRI bolster this defense, or whatever it > is you think that prozac and company do to counter OCD? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
You're a neo-Freudianist, aren't you? This is ironic, because Freud always believed that neuroscience would eventually explain all mental illness... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > OCD is an anxiety disorder. The obsessions and > > > > > compulsions are a defense against an > > emotionally > > > > > disorganized experience. The source of the > > > > > disorganization has to be addressed. > > > > > > > > > > Who says? > > > > > Me. I'm a clinical psychologist. I do this for a > > > living. > > > > Then how come this disorder is found in children at > > nursery school age? And how come this disorder tends > > to run in families? > > > > The fact is, no one knows what causes it. > > No, that's not true. I'm discussing the psychodymanics > of the mind: defenses and self-organization. Of course > there is a genetic component. And why do you see my > rather cursory explanation contradicted by school age > children with this diagnosis? I'll discuss this with > you, but unless you have a mental health background > you do not have enough foundational knowledge to > discuss this in any informed manner. I'm not trying to > be arrogant, but without training and experience with > the mentally ill it's just opinion and not > understanding. Sorry! In the same way, whatever your > field of expertise is, I wouldn't try to contradict > you or offer a critique because I don't know enough > about it beyond mere opionion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > Sutphen > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > > "sparaig" > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "Phil > > > > > > Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Another interpretation of the > > observation > > > > below > > > > > > about the use of > > > > > > > antidepressants: a lot of TM veterans > > might > > > > have > > > > > > been clinically > > > > > > > depressed for years and hoping that the > > > > program > > > > > > would cure the > > > > > > problem - > > > > > > > - and/or assuming that getting help for > > the > > > > > > condition was > > > > > > > somehow "unspiritual." In which case, > > > finally > > > > > > doing something > > > > > > about it > > > > > > > may be a sign of maturity as much as > > > > > > disillusionment with the TMO. > > > > > > By > > > > > > > the way, I say this because I spoke to a > > > > scientist > > > > > > who recently > > > > > > > published a study on the use of > > > > antidepressants > > > > > > among long-term > > > > > > > Buddhist meditators, so it's not unique to > > > the > > > > TM > > > > > > world. This, of > > > > > > > course, does not in any way diminish the > > > very > > > > real > > > > > > despair caused > > > > > > by > > > > > > > finding out the emperor has fewer clothes > > > than > > > > one > > > > > > imagined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm on prozac and my son is on something > > > else. > > > > We > > > > > > both meditate and > > > > > > > swear by it. That we have something a bit > > > > tougher > > > > > > than TM by itself > > > > > > can > > > > > > > handle doesn't invalidate TM. I was told > > to > > > go > > > > to > > > > > > sleep by 9PM > > > > > > every > > > > > > > night and I almost never do. Maybe TM + > > 9PM > > > > > > bedtime would be > > > > > > enough, > > > > > > > who can say? > > > > > > > > > > > > According to Mahaaraaja Nader Raama's book > > > yoga > > > > is > > > > > > "connected" > > > > > > to the cerebral cortex. I wonder if that's > > why > > > > > > meditation is > > > > > > not necessarily very effective in treating > > > > primarily > > > > > > emotional > > > > > > problems, like depression. OTOH, I seem to > > > > recall > > > > > > you use fluoxetine > > > > > > for OCD, or stuff. But I guess there might > > be > > > a > > > > > > strong emotional > > > > > > component in OCD, too. > > > > > > > > > > OCD is an anxiety disorder. The obsessions and > > > > > compulsions are a defense against an > > emotionally > > > > > disorganized experience. The source of the > > > > > disorganization has to be addressed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says? > > > > > > Me. I'm a clinical psychologist. I do this for a > > > living. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Or go to: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > Yah
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > OCD is an anxiety disorder. The obsessions and > > > > compulsions are a defense against an emotionally > > > > disorganized experience. The source of the > > > > disorganization has to be addressed. > > > > > > > Who says? > > > Me. I'm a clinical psychologist. I do this for a > > living. > > Then how come this disorder is found in children at > nursery school age? And how come this disorder tends > to run in families? > > The fact is, no one knows what causes it. > My own theory is that there are a host of 'causes' of OCD and the like. The physiological characteristics of someone with OCD make them more prone to OCD behavior patterns and various stressful life experiences can trigger/exacerbate these behavior patterns in ways that are often associated quite obviously with stressful life experiences. Calling these behavior patterns a "defense" may help in devising therapeutic strategies that work with SOME people, but they may not help with others. As far as I can tell, my OCD tendencies were generally very minor until I spent 3 years living and working, often 24/7, in a mold infested apartment. My ADD tendencies were highly exacerbated also. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
Not school age, rather pre-school age. I mentioned that this can occur at a very early age to point out that it is quite possible that people are born with this, or the tendency to develop this. It seemed like your first post dismissed the possibility of a physiologic or inherited cause altogether. I would not ordinarily view the "psychodymanics of the mind: defenses and self-organization", as you say, to be be much an issue with one and two year old children. But that's not my field, and I am interested if you believe these psychodynamics start that early. --- Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > OCD is an anxiety disorder. The obsessions > and > > > > > compulsions are a defense against an > > emotionally > > > > > disorganized experience. The source of the > > > > > disorganization has to be addressed. > > > > > > > > > > Who says? > > > > > Me. I'm a clinical psychologist. I do this for a > > > living. > > > > Then how come this disorder is found in children > at > > nursery school age? And how come this disorder > tends > > to run in families? > > > > The fact is, no one knows what causes it. > > No, that's not true. I'm discussing the > psychodymanics > of the mind: defenses and self-organization. Of > course > there is a genetic component. And why do you see my > rather cursory explanation contradicted by school > age > children with this diagnosis? I'll discuss this with > you, but unless you have a mental health background > you do not have enough foundational knowledge to > discuss this in any informed manner. I'm not trying > to > be arrogant, but without training and experience > with > the mentally ill it's just opinion and not > understanding. Sorry! In the same way, whatever your > field of expertise is, I wouldn't try to contradict > you or offer a critique because I don't know enough > about it beyond mere opionion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > Sutphen > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > > "sparaig" > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "Phil > > > > > > Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Another interpretation of the > > observation > > > > below > > > > > > about the use of > > > > > > > antidepressants: a lot of TM veterans > > might > > > > have > > > > > > been clinically > > > > > > > depressed for years and hoping that the > > > > program > > > > > > would cure the > > > > > > problem - > > > > > > > - and/or assuming that getting help for > > the > > > > > > condition was > > > > > > > somehow "unspiritual." In which case, > > > finally > > > > > > doing something > > > > > > about it > > > > > > > may be a sign of maturity as much as > > > > > > disillusionment with the TMO. > > > > > > By > > > > > > > the way, I say this because I spoke to a > > > > scientist > > > > > > who recently > > > > > > > published a study on the use of > > > > antidepressants > > > > > > among long-term > > > > > > > Buddhist meditators, so it's not unique > to > > > the > > > > TM > > > > > > world. This, of > > > > > > > course, does not in any way diminish the > > > very > > > > real > > > > > > despair caused > > > > > > by > > > > > > > finding out the emperor has fewer > clothes > > > than > > > > one > > > > > > imagined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm on prozac and my son is on something > > > else. > > > > We > > > > > > both meditate and > > > > > > > swear by it. That we have something a > bit > > > > tougher > > > > > > than TM by itself > > > > > > can > > > > > > > handle doesn't invalidate TM. I was told > > to > > > go > > > > to > > > > > > sleep by 9PM > > > > > > every > > > > > > > night and I almost never do. Maybe TM + > > 9PM > > > > > > bedtime would be > > > > > > enough, > > > > > > > who can say? > > > > > > > > > > > > According to Mahaaraaja Nader Raama's book > > > yoga > > > > is > > > > > > "connected" > > > > > > to the cerebral cortex. I wonder if that's > > why > > > > > > meditation is > > > > > > not necessarily very effective in treating > > > > primarily > > > > > > emotional > > > > > > problems, like depression. OTOH, I seem to > > > > recall > > > > > > you use fluoxetine > > > > > > for OCD, or stuff. But I guess there might > > be > > > a > > > > > > strong emotional > > > > > > component in OCD, too. > > > > > > > > > > OCD is an anxiety disorder. The obsessions > and > > > > > compulsions are a defense against an > > emotionally > > > > > disorganized experience. The source of the > > > > > d
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > OCD is an anxiety disorder. The obsessions and > > > compulsions are a defense against an emotionally > > > disorganized experience. The source of the > > > disorganization has to be addressed. > > > > > > > > > > Who says? > > Me. I'm a clinical psychologist. I do this for a > living. I'm aware of that. What physiological evidence is that obsessions and compusions are a defense against an emotionally disorganized experience, and how does an SSRI bolster this defense, or whatever it is you think that prozac and company do to counter OCD? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > OCD is an anxiety disorder. The obsessions and > > > > compulsions are a defense against an > emotionally > > > > disorganized experience. The source of the > > > > disorganization has to be addressed. > > > > > > > Who says? > > > Me. I'm a clinical psychologist. I do this for a > > living. > > Then how come this disorder is found in children at > nursery school age? And how come this disorder tends > to run in families? > > The fact is, no one knows what causes it. No, that's not true. I'm discussing the psychodymanics of the mind: defenses and self-organization. Of course there is a genetic component. And why do you see my rather cursory explanation contradicted by school age children with this diagnosis? I'll discuss this with you, but unless you have a mental health background you do not have enough foundational knowledge to discuss this in any informed manner. I'm not trying to be arrogant, but without training and experience with the mentally ill it's just opinion and not understanding. Sorry! In the same way, whatever your field of expertise is, I wouldn't try to contradict you or offer a critique because I don't know enough about it beyond mere opionion. > > --- Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > Sutphen > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "sparaig" > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "Phil > > > > > Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Another interpretation of the > observation > > > below > > > > > about the use of > > > > > > antidepressants: a lot of TM veterans > might > > > have > > > > > been clinically > > > > > > depressed for years and hoping that the > > > program > > > > > would cure the > > > > > problem - > > > > > > - and/or assuming that getting help for > the > > > > > condition was > > > > > > somehow "unspiritual." In which case, > > finally > > > > > doing something > > > > > about it > > > > > > may be a sign of maturity as much as > > > > > disillusionment with the TMO. > > > > > By > > > > > > the way, I say this because I spoke to a > > > scientist > > > > > who recently > > > > > > published a study on the use of > > > antidepressants > > > > > among long-term > > > > > > Buddhist meditators, so it's not unique to > > the > > > TM > > > > > world. This, of > > > > > > course, does not in any way diminish the > > very > > > real > > > > > despair caused > > > > > by > > > > > > finding out the emperor has fewer clothes > > than > > > one > > > > > imagined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm on prozac and my son is on something > > else. > > > We > > > > > both meditate and > > > > > > swear by it. That we have something a bit > > > tougher > > > > > than TM by itself > > > > > can > > > > > > handle doesn't invalidate TM. I was told > to > > go > > > to > > > > > sleep by 9PM > > > > > every > > > > > > night and I almost never do. Maybe TM + > 9PM > > > > > bedtime would be > > > > > enough, > > > > > > who can say? > > > > > > > > > > According to Mahaaraaja Nader Raama's book > > yoga > > > is > > > > > "connected" > > > > > to the cerebral cortex. I wonder if that's > why > > > > > meditation is > > > > > not necessarily very effective in treating > > > primarily > > > > > emotional > > > > > problems, like depression. OTOH, I seem to > > > recall > > > > > you use fluoxetine > > > > > for OCD, or stuff. But I guess there might > be > > a > > > > > strong emotional > > > > > component in OCD, too. > > > > > > > > OCD is an anxiety disorder. The obsessions and > > > > compulsions are a defense against an > emotionally > > > > disorganized experience. The source of the > > > > disorganization has to be addressed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who says? > > > > Me. I'm a clinical psychologist. I do this for a > > living. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Or go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news > and > > more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
> > > OCD is an anxiety disorder. The obsessions and > > > compulsions are a defense against an emotionally > > > disorganized experience. The source of the > > > disorganization has to be addressed. > > > > Who says? > Me. I'm a clinical psychologist. I do this for a > living. Then how come this disorder is found in children at nursery school age? And how come this disorder tends to run in families? The fact is, no one knows what causes it. --- Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "sparaig" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Phil > > > > Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Another interpretation of the observation > > below > > > > about the use of > > > > > antidepressants: a lot of TM veterans might > > have > > > > been clinically > > > > > depressed for years and hoping that the > > program > > > > would cure the > > > > problem - > > > > > - and/or assuming that getting help for the > > > > condition was > > > > > somehow "unspiritual." In which case, > finally > > > > doing something > > > > about it > > > > > may be a sign of maturity as much as > > > > disillusionment with the TMO. > > > > By > > > > > the way, I say this because I spoke to a > > scientist > > > > who recently > > > > > published a study on the use of > > antidepressants > > > > among long-term > > > > > Buddhist meditators, so it's not unique to > the > > TM > > > > world. This, of > > > > > course, does not in any way diminish the > very > > real > > > > despair caused > > > > by > > > > > finding out the emperor has fewer clothes > than > > one > > > > imagined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm on prozac and my son is on something > else. > > We > > > > both meditate and > > > > > swear by it. That we have something a bit > > tougher > > > > than TM by itself > > > > can > > > > > handle doesn't invalidate TM. I was told to > go > > to > > > > sleep by 9PM > > > > every > > > > > night and I almost never do. Maybe TM + 9PM > > > > bedtime would be > > > > enough, > > > > > who can say? > > > > > > > > According to Mahaaraaja Nader Raama's book > yoga > > is > > > > "connected" > > > > to the cerebral cortex. I wonder if that's why > > > > meditation is > > > > not necessarily very effective in treating > > primarily > > > > emotional > > > > problems, like depression. OTOH, I seem to > > recall > > > > you use fluoxetine > > > > for OCD, or stuff. But I guess there might be > a > > > > strong emotional > > > > component in OCD, too. > > > > > > OCD is an anxiety disorder. The obsessions and > > > compulsions are a defense against an emotionally > > > disorganized experience. The source of the > > > disorganization has to be addressed. > > > > > > > > > > Who says? > > Me. I'm a clinical psychologist. I do this for a > living. > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Discover Yahoo! > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and > more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > I say this because I spoke to a scientist who recently > > published a study on the use of antidepressants among long-term > > Buddhist meditators, so it's not unique to the TM world. > > > I'd be interested in the results of that study. > > > -But a Buddhist meditator wouldn't be likely to consider the meditation or Buddhism the source of their depression, and they would be taught to use remedies to whatever negativities they experienced, from any source. A TMER on the other hand is a sort of Charimatic Christian. And is taught to use wholistic means to solve their ills, and if that doesn't work then they must be spiritually defective. News to me... Being a sidha of 20 yhears, and a meditator of 32 years, and all that... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm on prozac and my son is on something else. We both meditate and > > swear by it. That we have something a bit tougher than TM by itself > can > > handle doesn't invalidate TM. I was told to go to sleep by 9PM every > > night and I almost never do. Maybe TM + 9PM bedtime would be enough, > > who can say? > > > Sorry to hear about the "something a bit tougher." Do you feel the > prozac "handles" the situation? I ask this because my Mom has been on > similar drugs for 12 years and whatever is going on, hasn't been > handled. Many people take a lot of aspirin because they get headaches. > I say find out WHY you get headaches and then handle that. I believe > there is an underlying "cause" that if discovered can be handled and > obviate the need for the drugs. I don't ask you this to make you wrong > for what you are doing, but to add my own observations. > > Best, > Jeff F. Allergies and toxic mold damage to the CNS, more than likely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > I say this because I spoke to a scientist who recently > > published a study on the use of antidepressants among long-term > > Buddhist meditators, so it's not unique to the TM world. > > > I'd be interested in the results of that study. Again, not my comment. These were from a year ago. somehow I got bumped into the middle of last year's threads and didn't notice the dates for a while. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Phil > > > Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Another interpretation of the observation > below > > > about the use of > > > > antidepressants: a lot of TM veterans might > have > > > been clinically > > > > depressed for years and hoping that the > program > > > would cure the > > > problem - > > > > - and/or assuming that getting help for the > > > condition was > > > > somehow "unspiritual." In which case, finally > > > doing something > > > about it > > > > may be a sign of maturity as much as > > > disillusionment with the TMO. > > > By > > > > the way, I say this because I spoke to a > scientist > > > who recently > > > > published a study on the use of > antidepressants > > > among long-term > > > > Buddhist meditators, so it's not unique to the > TM > > > world. This, of > > > > course, does not in any way diminish the very > real > > > despair caused > > > by > > > > finding out the emperor has fewer clothes than > one > > > imagined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm on prozac and my son is on something else. > We > > > both meditate and > > > > swear by it. That we have something a bit > tougher > > > than TM by itself > > > can > > > > handle doesn't invalidate TM. I was told to go > to > > > sleep by 9PM > > > every > > > > night and I almost never do. Maybe TM + 9PM > > > bedtime would be > > > enough, > > > > who can say? > > > > > > According to Mahaaraaja Nader Raama's book yoga > is > > > "connected" > > > to the cerebral cortex. I wonder if that's why > > > meditation is > > > not necessarily very effective in treating > primarily > > > emotional > > > problems, like depression. OTOH, I seem to > recall > > > you use fluoxetine > > > for OCD, or stuff. But I guess there might be a > > > strong emotional > > > component in OCD, too. > > > > OCD is an anxiety disorder. The obsessions and > > compulsions are a defense against an emotionally > > disorganized experience. The source of the > > disorganization has to be addressed. > > > > > > Who says? Me. I'm a clinical psychologist. I do this for a living. > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Phil > > Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > Another interpretation of the observation below > > about the use of > > > antidepressants: a lot of TM veterans might have > > been clinically > > > depressed for years and hoping that the program > > would cure the > > problem - > > > - and/or assuming that getting help for the > > condition was > > > somehow "unspiritual." In which case, finally > > doing something > > about it > > > may be a sign of maturity as much as > > disillusionment with the TMO. > > By > > > the way, I say this because I spoke to a scientist > > who recently > > > published a study on the use of antidepressants > > among long-term > > > Buddhist meditators, so it's not unique to the TM > > world. This, of > > > course, does not in any way diminish the very real > > despair caused > > by > > > finding out the emperor has fewer clothes than one > > imagined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm on prozac and my son is on something else. We > > both meditate and > > > swear by it. That we have something a bit tougher > > than TM by itself > > can > > > handle doesn't invalidate TM. I was told to go to > > sleep by 9PM > > every > > > night and I almost never do. Maybe TM + 9PM > > bedtime would be > > enough, > > > who can say? > > > > According to Mahaaraaja Nader Raama's book yoga is > > "connected" > > to the cerebral cortex. I wonder if that's why > > meditation is > > not necessarily very effective in treating primarily > > emotional > > problems, like depression. OTOH, I seem to recall > > you use fluoxetine > > for OCD, or stuff. But I guess there might be a > > strong emotional > > component in OCD, too. > > OCD is an anxiety disorder. The obsessions and > compulsions are a defense against an emotionally > disorganized experience. The source of the > disorganization has to be addressed. > > Who says? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
This company works with healthcare providers to address nuerotransmitter issues with supplements like 5-htp. They have a urine test which measures the levels and scales them compared to the norm. http://www.neurorelief.com/ --- marekreavis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Question below: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I'm on prozac and my son is on something else. > We both meditate > and > > > swear by it. That we have something a bit > tougher than TM by > itself > > can > > > handle doesn't invalidate TM. I was told to go > to sleep by 9PM > every > > > night and I almost never do. Maybe TM + 9PM > bedtime would be > enough, > > > who can say? > > > > > > Sorry to hear about the "something a bit tougher." > Do you feel > the > > prozac "handles" the situation? I ask this > because my Mom has > been on > > similar drugs for 12 years and whatever is going > on, hasn't been > > handled. Many people take a lot of aspirin > because they get > headaches. > > I say find out WHY you get headaches and then > handle that. I > believe > > there is an underlying "cause" that if discovered > can be handled > and > > obviate the need for the drugs. I don't ask you > this to make you > wrong > > for what you are doing, but to add my own > observations. > > > > Best, > > Jeff F. > > **END** > > Addressing this question from a different angle than > Jeff's I'd be > interested in knowing if anyone has had any > experience and/or > results from the OTC supplement, 5-HTP? It is the > immediate > precursor to the neurotransmitter, Serotonin, which > the lack of > availability at the synaptic gaps is addressed by > Prozac, Zoloft and > the other SSRI's (selective serotonin re-uptake > inhibitors). > > Serotonin in the body is made slowly and the idea of > regular > supplement of its immediate precursor is thought to > help obviate > depression, etc. Anyone? Dr. Pete? > > Thanks, > > Marek > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- marekreavis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Question below: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I'm on prozac and my son is on something else. > We both meditate > and > > > swear by it. That we have something a bit > tougher than TM by > itself > > can > > > handle doesn't invalidate TM. I was told to go > to sleep by 9PM > every > > > night and I almost never do. Maybe TM + 9PM > bedtime would be > enough, > > > who can say? > > > > > > Sorry to hear about the "something a bit tougher." > Do you feel > the > > prozac "handles" the situation? I ask this > because my Mom has > been on > > similar drugs for 12 years and whatever is going > on, hasn't been > > handled. Many people take a lot of aspirin > because they get > headaches. > > I say find out WHY you get headaches and then > handle that. I > believe > > there is an underlying "cause" that if discovered > can be handled > and > > obviate the need for the drugs. I don't ask you > this to make you > wrong > > for what you are doing, but to add my own > observations. > > > > Best, > > Jeff F. > > **END** > > Addressing this question from a different angle than > Jeff's I'd be > interested in knowing if anyone has had any > experience and/or > results from the OTC supplement, 5-HTP? It is the > immediate > precursor to the neurotransmitter, Serotonin, which > the lack of > availability at the synaptic gaps is addressed by > Prozac, Zoloft and > the other SSRI's (selective serotonin re-uptake > inhibitors). > > Serotonin in the body is made slowly and the idea of > regular > supplement of its immediate precursor is thought to > help obviate > depression, etc. Anyone? Dr. Pete? > > Thanks, > > Marek I'm not familiar with it. Any research at all? > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > -But a Buddhist meditator wouldn't be likely to consider the meditation or Buddhism the source of their depression, and they would be taught to use remedies to whatever negativities they experienced, from any source. Agree. Thanks for the crack up. Jeff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:I say this because I spoke to a scientist who recently > published a study on the use of antidepressants among long-term > Buddhist meditators, so it's not unique to the TM world. I'd be interested in the results of that study.-But a Buddhist meditator wouldn't be likely to consider the meditation or Buddhism the source of their depression, and they would be taught to use remedies to whatever negativities they experienced, from any source. A TMER on the other hand is a sort of Charimatic Christian. And is taught to use wholistic means to solve their ills, and if that doesn't work then they must be spiritually defective. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
Question below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm on prozac and my son is on something else. We both meditate and > > swear by it. That we have something a bit tougher than TM by itself > can > > handle doesn't invalidate TM. I was told to go to sleep by 9PM every > > night and I almost never do. Maybe TM + 9PM bedtime would be enough, > > who can say? > > > Sorry to hear about the "something a bit tougher." Do you feel the > prozac "handles" the situation? I ask this because my Mom has been on > similar drugs for 12 years and whatever is going on, hasn't been > handled. Many people take a lot of aspirin because they get headaches. > I say find out WHY you get headaches and then handle that. I believe > there is an underlying "cause" that if discovered can be handled and > obviate the need for the drugs. I don't ask you this to make you wrong > for what you are doing, but to add my own observations. > > Best, > Jeff F. **END** Addressing this question from a different angle than Jeff's I'd be interested in knowing if anyone has had any experience and/or results from the OTC supplement, 5-HTP? It is the immediate precursor to the neurotransmitter, Serotonin, which the lack of availability at the synaptic gaps is addressed by Prozac, Zoloft and the other SSRI's (selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors). Serotonin in the body is made slowly and the idea of regular supplement of its immediate precursor is thought to help obviate depression, etc. Anyone? Dr. Pete? Thanks, Marek To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OCD is an anxiety disorder. The obsessions and > compulsions are a defense against an emotionally > disorganized experience. The source of the > disorganization has to be addressed. I agree. > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But I guess there might be a strong emotional > component in OCD, too. Bingo. That's what needs to be contacted and handled. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm on prozac and my son is on something else. We both meditate and > swear by it. That we have something a bit tougher than TM by itself can > handle doesn't invalidate TM. I was told to go to sleep by 9PM every > night and I almost never do. Maybe TM + 9PM bedtime would be enough, > who can say? Sorry to hear about the "something a bit tougher." Do you feel the prozac "handles" the situation? I ask this because my Mom has been on similar drugs for 12 years and whatever is going on, hasn't been handled. Many people take a lot of aspirin because they get headaches. I say find out WHY you get headaches and then handle that. I believe there is an underlying "cause" that if discovered can be handled and obviate the need for the drugs. I don't ask you this to make you wrong for what you are doing, but to add my own observations. Best, Jeff F. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I say this because I spoke to a scientist who recently > published a study on the use of antidepressants among long-term > Buddhist meditators, so it's not unique to the TM world. I'd be interested in the results of that study. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Phil > Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Another interpretation of the observation below > about the use of > > antidepressants: a lot of TM veterans might have > been clinically > > depressed for years and hoping that the program > would cure the > problem - > > - and/or assuming that getting help for the > condition was > > somehow "unspiritual." In which case, finally > doing something > about it > > may be a sign of maturity as much as > disillusionment with the TMO. > By > > the way, I say this because I spoke to a scientist > who recently > > published a study on the use of antidepressants > among long-term > > Buddhist meditators, so it's not unique to the TM > world. This, of > > course, does not in any way diminish the very real > despair caused > by > > finding out the emperor has fewer clothes than one > imagined. > > > > > > > > > > I'm on prozac and my son is on something else. We > both meditate and > > swear by it. That we have something a bit tougher > than TM by itself > can > > handle doesn't invalidate TM. I was told to go to > sleep by 9PM > every > > night and I almost never do. Maybe TM + 9PM > bedtime would be > enough, > > who can say? > > According to Mahaaraaja Nader Raama's book yoga is > "connected" > to the cerebral cortex. I wonder if that's why > meditation is > not necessarily very effective in treating primarily > emotional > problems, like depression. OTOH, I seem to recall > you use fluoxetine > for OCD, or stuff. But I guess there might be a > strong emotional > component in OCD, too. OCD is an anxiety disorder. The obsessions and compulsions are a defense against an emotionally disorganized experience. The source of the disorganization has to be addressed. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Another interpretation of the observation below about the use of > antidepressants: a lot of TM veterans might have been clinically > depressed for years and hoping that the program would cure the problem - > - and/or assuming that getting help for the condition was > somehow "unspiritual." In which case, finally doing something about it > may be a sign of maturity as much as disillusionment with the TMO. By > the way, I say this because I spoke to a scientist who recently > published a study on the use of antidepressants among long-term > Buddhist meditators, so it's not unique to the TM world. This, of > course, does not in any way diminish the very real despair caused by > finding out the emperor has fewer clothes than one imagined. > > > > > > I'm on prozac and my son is on something else. We both meditate and > swear by it. That we have something a bit tougher than TM by itself can > handle doesn't invalidate TM. I was told to go to sleep by 9PM every > night and I almost never do. Maybe TM + 9PM bedtime would be enough, > who can say? According to Mahaaraaja Nader Raama's book yoga is "connected" to the cerebral cortex. I wonder if that's why meditation is not necessarily very effective in treating primarily emotional problems, like depression. OTOH, I seem to recall you use fluoxetine for OCD, or stuff. But I guess there might be a strong emotional component in OCD, too. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Medicated Baby Boomer Ru's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Goldberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another interpretation of the observation below about the use of antidepressants: a lot of TM veterans might have been clinically depressed for years and hoping that the program would cure the problem - - and/or assuming that getting help for the condition was somehow "unspiritual." In which case, finally doing something about it may be a sign of maturity as much as disillusionment with the TMO. By the way, I say this because I spoke to a scientist who recently published a study on the use of antidepressants among long-term Buddhist meditators, so it's not unique to the TM world. This, of course, does not in any way diminish the very real despair caused by finding out the emperor has fewer clothes than one imagined. > > I'm on prozac and my son is on something else. We both meditate and swear by it. That we have something a bit tougher than TM by itself can handle doesn't invalidate TM. I was told to go to sleep by 9PM every night and I almost never do. Maybe TM + 9PM bedtime would be enough, who can say? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
