RE: [FairfieldLife] Ricks enlightened friends

2007-09-28 Thread Rick Archer
I agree with you about “premature claims to enlightenment.” I think they are
common. If the people I’m referring to were saying “I have reached the
pinnacle of human evolution” or if they displayed egotism or even if they
were setting themselves up as gurus, I’d doubt them. All of them have
achieved significant degrees of awakening, all acknowledge that there’s
plenty more growth to undergo, not only for themselves but for MMY, Amma,
your guru, and any living being, no matter how enlightened, and all are
living private lives and are not inclined to become gurus. If they were,
that wouldn’t rule out their enlightenment in my estimation, but it would
make them suspect of ambition-based motives for claiming enlightenment. All
of the folks I’m referring to have TM backgrounds. A few have branched out
into other things. If the guru’s stamp of approval were an absolute
necessity for realization, no one in the TM movement could become realized,
because MMY doesn’t do that. You can think you are realized yet not be. But
if you are realized, you’ll know it. Your experience will be sufficient
confirmation. And you’ll be the only one at your graduation.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ricks enlightened friends

2007-09-28 Thread Vaj


On Sep 28, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Ron wrote:

My experience with it is I have been with and read about both those  
self proclaiming as
above and also those proclaimed enlightened by their Guru who also  
were proclaimed
enlightened by their Guru in a chain continueing upwards. The Self  
procalimed fell apart
every time under scrutiny. I have seen a lot in the last two years  
like this- maybe 20.



I've had the exact same experience. And you're right it's becoming  
almost a common claim in some circles. The common denominator is  
almost always some sort of involvement in Neo- / Pseudo- advaita  
movements / gurus or their writings. From my POV, this is largely a  
Green Meme pathology (aka the Mean Green Meme or MGM). Some believe  
it may be a stalling mechanism in the jump to a more collective  
increase in world consciousness.


It would be very interesting in the future to see some psychological  
and sociological research on this phenomenon.