Re: [FairfieldLife] Atman vs Anatman
No, sitting in samadhi is not enlightenment. I just mean that as Westerners we are too attached even to our meditation backjacks and tools to do much without them. Speaking from experience I couldn't last in the formless realm even though at times I was in the domes, as other CCP for five hours or more a day. The TM program is varied to keep us Westerners busy. Real yogis can just sit in shenay/samadhi without props. My formless realm would have bad knees ;) But enlightenment is not just being a formless samadhi towel head. It it seeing though samadhi eyes the world as the beloved. Willing too do anything for its benefit, even things that corrupt your self. Retiring from the relative to the absolute, one retires also from the absolute into the relative. Only swingers allowed. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Atman vs Anatman On Mar 15, 2005, at 2:24 AM, rudra_joe wrote: I have said before and will say again that even those westerners who do manage to go into samadhi for even a few hours a day, they still can't do it for much longer than that.So then from your perspective, you can't get enlightened? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Atman vs Anatman
On Mar 15, 2005, at 2:24 AM, rudra_joe wrote: I have said before and will say again that even those westerners who do manage to go into samadhi for even a few hours a day, they still can't do it for much longer than that. So then from your perspective, you can't get enlightened?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Atman vs Anatman
Naw, mere cessation won't cut it. Sure way to get rebirth in a formless realm.Try it before you knock it. Cessation of the mind doesn't mean cessation of awareness. Nor does it mean thoughtlessness. In the state of yoga is sattva which is speedier and better organized than choppy incoherent thought. It's cessation of the vrittis or tendencies not some formless death-like trance or something. I have said before and will say again that even those westerners who do manage to go into samadhi for even a few hours a day, they still can't do it for much longer than that. The formless realm wouldn't appeal to most of them. The odds are about the same as getting gangrene from an antbite, if you're a Westerner. If you're in samadhi in activity then you get a lot more return on your sensory input. Furthermore, the only formless realm is the forced realm of concentrating against thought. That is not the same as the cessation of yoga in kaivalya, or in nirbeej samadhi, or the cessation of the mind in nirvana. Besides, the whole notion of beinng reborn in a formless realm is a joke because we really are formless anyway. On the inside. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Atman vs Anatman
On Mar 14, 2005, at 5:02 PM, rudra_joe wrote: > voga citta vritti nirodaha. yoga is cessation of the tendencies of the > mind. nirvana. cessation. you figure it out. Naw, mere cessation won't cut it. Sure way to get rebirth in a formless realm. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Atman vs Anatman
voga citta vritti nirodaha. yoga is cessation of the tendencies of the mind. nirvana. cessation. you figure it out. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Atman vs Anatman On Mar 13, 2005, at 10:39 AM, off_world_beings wrote:> In 3 or 4 sentances, whats the difference? Anyone?> (I contend there is no difference)>Atman maintains a subtle obscuration to the state of pure knowledge. Therefore it is a cause for samsara.It also helps maintain a false View of reality and since (according to Shantideva) enlightenment depends on correct View (of reality), it's important.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Atman vs Anatman
On Mar 13, 2005, at 10:39 AM, off_world_beings wrote: > In 3 or 4 sentances, whats the difference? Anyone? > (I contend there is no difference) > Atman maintains a subtle obscuration to the state of pure knowledge. Therefore it is a cause for samsara. It also helps maintain a false View of reality and since (according to Shantideva) enlightenment depends on correct View (of reality), it's important. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
