Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

2006-10-12 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 10/11/06 8:11:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Yeah, I read the story later, full of speculation and   
  ssumptions on Rummy's role if any. But the fact remained,   
  Clinton authorized the sale of the Nuclear reactors to NK,   
  not Rummy.There you go again Mason, blaming 
  Clinton for everything.  He can't help it; that's the 
  Republican talking point, and he's not permitted to deviate from 
  it:  So Judy, are you saying it's not Clinton's fault but 
  rather Bush's fault or even Rummy's fault that Clinton 
  authorized the sale of light water nuclear reactors to North 
  Korea?See if you can phrase a question that makes sense,MDixon, 
  and I'll respond.In the meantime, two questions for you:Can a 
  lightwater reactor be used to make bombs?Did North Korea ever get the 
  lightwater reactor?

Nice tactic Judy, trying to change the subject. Read the article in 
question and come back to the original thought, that some how it was Rummy's 
fault concerning approved sale ofthat technology. Rumsfeld only sat on the 
board of the company that was given approval by Clinton to deal with NK. While 
it is definitely clear Clinton gavestate approval of such deal there is no 
evidence, only innuendo, andspeculation that Rumsfeld *may* have had 
something to do with it. So yeah, Clinton's coddling and showering of gifts and 
appeasing NK who was stabbing him in the back was a failed 
policy.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

2006-10-12 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 10/11/06 9:35:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  In a message dated 10/11/06 5:11:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  So where's the ad showing Cheney shaking 
  hands with Saddam?  He didn't  
True, it was Donald Rumsfeld who shook hands with 
  Saddam.  
  Bingo, and when you are a guest in a country and you have an audience with 
the leader of that country you always exchange pleasantries and 
  shake  hands   before getting down to business. 
Of course. Are you suggesting that such was not the case 
  with Albright?  Not at all. Is 
  that what you think?Fair enough. 

My concern is how you do business. Do we coddle and appease a rogue nation 
like NK or should we be fair but firm with them? Which is exactly the difference 
I see in how the Clinton administration and the Bush administration have dealt 
with NK.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

2006-10-12 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 10/11/06 9:34:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There 
  you go again Mason, blaming Clinton for everything Oh, 
  now that's funny. You can blame Bush for all your suffering but if I  
  point out the very same article you quote says Clinton authorized the sale of 
   light water nuclear technology to North Korea, all the sudden, I'm 
  unfairly  blaming Clinton. And Rummy's company 
  bares no responsibility then? You seem to be saying 
that.

Rummy's company? He owns it? You are assuming because he sits on the board 
he has full say in what the company does. The article you quote doesn't even go 
that far.And even if it were *his* company it is the government that 
decides what countries they may do business with when it comes to nuclear 
technology.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

2006-10-12 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 10/12/06 12:43:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yeah, I 
  read the story later, full of speculation and
  ssumptions on Rummy's role if any. But the fact remained,   
   Clinton authorized the sale of the Nuclear reactors to NK,  
not Rummy.  There you go again 
  Mason, blaming Clinton for everything.He can't 
  help it; that's the Republican talking point,  and he's not 
  permitted to deviate from it:So Judy, are you 
  saying it's not Clinton's fault but rather  Bush's fault or even 
  Rummy's fault that Clinton authorized  the sale of light water 
  nuclear reactors to North Korea?  See if you can phrase a 
  question that makes sense, MDixon, and I'll respond.MDixon, 
  this is Judy's M.O.: when she's cornered, she asks you to either rephrase 

  your question or she calls you a liar.Her brain is not wired to enable 
  her to answer a question that shows she is 
wrong.

It was a perfectly good question Shemp. All it took was a yes or a no or I 
don't understand what you mean. The article I was referring to was clearly 
pointing the finger at Rummy as having some responsibility, some how, for the 
decision to sell light water nuclear technology to NK just because Rummy sat on 
the board of the company that Clinton approved to do the deal. Clinton approved 
the deal , not Rummy and not Bush. So if there is going to be any finger 
pointing, about such a deal,go to where the *buck* is supposed to 
stop.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

2006-10-12 Thread Bhairitu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 10/11/06 9:34:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 There  you go again Mason, blaming Clinton for everything
   
 Oh,  now that's funny. You can blame Bush for all your suffering but if I 
  point out the very same article you quote says Clinton authorized the sale 
 
 of  
   
 light water nuclear technology to North Korea, all the sudden, I'm  
 
 unfairly 
   
 blaming Clinton.


 
 And Rummy's company  bares no responsibility then? You seem to be saying  
 that.




 Rummy's company? He owns it? You are assuming because he sits on the board  
 he has full say in what the company does. The article you quote doesn't even 
 go 
  that far. And even if it were *his* company it is the government that  
 decides what countries they may do business with when it comes to nuclear  
 technology.
Sitting on the board of directors he had to be aware of the sale.  And 
companies *do* have ways of getting around government restrictions such 
has having their offices offshore.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

2006-10-11 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 10/10/06 7:04:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:  In a message dated 
  10/10/06 6:03:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:   So where's the ad showing Cheney shaking hands 
  with Saddam?  He didn'tTrue, it was Donald Rumsfeld 
  who shook hands with Saddam.

Bingo, and when you are a guest in a country and you have an audience with 
the leader of that country you always exchange pleasantries and shake hands 
before getting down to business.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

2006-10-11 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 10/10/06 7:03:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 So 
  where's the ad showing Cheney shaking hands with Saddam?Better yet Kim 
  Jong Il shaking hands with Donald Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld was on the board of 
  the company that sold North Korea the equipment to process 
  uranium.

Um, Cheney never met Saddam, it was Rumsfeld . And dignitaries always shake 
hands when they meet, especially if you are on the other person's turf. I have 
no idea about Rumsfeld being on any board, of any company, that sold 
technological equipment to North Korea, but you need to ask yourself , 
who, in the government,approvedthe sale of that equipment and 
technology?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

2006-10-11 Thread Bhairitu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 10/10/06 7:03:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   
 So  where's the ad showing Cheney shaking hands with Saddam?
 
 Better yet Kim  Jong Il shaking hands with Donald Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld 
 was on the board of  the company that sold North Korea the equipment to 
 process  uranium.



 Um, Cheney never met Saddam, it was Rumsfeld . And dignitaries always shake  
 hands when they meet, especially if you are on the other person's turf. I 
 have 
  no idea about Rumsfeld being on any board, of any company, that sold  
 technological  equipment to North Korea, but you need to ask yourself ,  who, 
 in the 
 government, approved the sale of that equipment and  technology?

   
http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.html



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

2006-10-11 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 10/11/06 11:48:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Um, 
  Cheney never met Saddam, it was Rumsfeld . And dignitaries always shake 
   hands when they meet, especially if you are on the other person's 
  turf. I have  no idea about Rumsfeld being on any board, of any 
  company, that sold  technological equipment to North Korea, but you 
  need to ask yourself , who, in the  government, approved the sale of 
  that equipment and technology? http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.html

Yeah, I read the story later, full of speculation and assumptions on 
Rummy's role if any. But the fact remained, Clinton authorized the sale of the 
Nuclear reactors to NK, not Rummy.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

2006-10-11 Thread Bhairitu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 10/11/06 11:48:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Um,  Cheney never met Saddam, it was Rumsfeld . And dignitaries always shake  
   
 hands when they meet, especially if you are on the other person's  turf. I 
 
 have 
   
 no idea about Rumsfeld being on any board, of any  company, that sold 
 technological equipment to North Korea, but you  need to ask yourself , 
 
 who, in the 
   
 government, approved the sale of  that equipment and technology?


 
 _http://www.guardianhttp://www.guhttp://wwwhttp://www.ghttp://_ 
 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.html) 



 Yeah,  I read the story later, full of speculation and assumptions on  
 Rummy's role if any. But the fact remained, Clinton authorized the sale of 
 the  
 Nuclear reactors to NK, not Rummy. 
There you go again Mason, blaming Clinton for everything.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

2006-10-11 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 10/11/06 3:24:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And no 
  one in their right mind (no pun intended) could've foreseen just a few 
  years later that North Korea would be branded as part of an Axis of Evil- 
  Really, really stupid of Bush- He needs to be asking some questions when 
  Cheney feeds him his dog food.

Oh , are you saying Clinton didn't know the reputation of the NK's? That 
maybe he thought Kim Jung Ill was really a nice guy and could be trusted if we 
sang Kumbhaya with him? Another Bush's fault scenario that Kim Jung Ill is 
a bastard and can't be trusted? Please.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

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In a message dated 10/11/06 4:33:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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Yeah, I 
  read the story later, full of speculation and assumptions on  Rummy's 
  role if any. But the fact remained, Clinton authorized the sale of the 
   Nuclear reactors to NK, not Rummy. There you go again Mason, 
  blaming Clinton for everything
Oh, now that's funny. You can blame Bush for all your suffering but 
if I point outthe very same article you quote says Clinton 
authorized the sale of light water nuclear technology to North Korea, all the 
sudden, I'm unfairly blaming Clinton.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

2006-10-11 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 10/11/06 5:11:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So 
  where's the ad showing Cheney shaking hands with Saddam?   
   He didn't  True, it was Donald Rumsfeld who shook hands 
  with Saddam. Bingo, and when you 
  are a guest in a country and you have an audience with  the leader of 
  that country you always exchange pleasantries and shake hands  before 
  getting down to business.Of course. Are you suggesting that 
  such was not the case with Albright? 

Not at all. Is that what you think?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

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In a message dated 10/11/06 6:03:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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Agree 
  with the poor opinion stated of KJI- I just think more would've been 
  accomplished through continued hard headed negotiations, which is what 
  Clinton was doing, than insulting and ignoring someone who is isolated and 
  insecure to begin with. Bad call on Cheney's part. 


First of all what Clinton was doing failed, it didn't work. Kim Jung Ill 
needs to learn that we don't trust him and never will again and if he's going to 
make any deals, he needs to make them with all of his neighbors so he will piss 
off more than us if he chooses to play games.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

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In a message dated 10/11/06 5:21:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Yeah, I read the story later, full of speculation and  ssumptions 
  on Rummy's role if any. But the fact remained,  Clinton authorized 
  the sale of the Nuclear reactors to NK,  not Rummy. 
   There you go again Mason, blaming Clinton for everything.He 
  can't help it; that's the Republican talking point,and he's not permitted 
  to deviate from it:

So Judy, are you saying it's not Clinton's fault but rather Bush's fault or 
even Rummy's faultthat Clinton authorized the sale of light water nuclear 
reactors to North Korea?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

2006-10-11 Thread Bhairitu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 10/11/06 4:33:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Yeah, I  read the story later, full of speculation and assumptions on 
   
 Rummy's  role if any. But the fact remained, Clinton authorized the sale of 
 
 the  
   
 Nuclear reactors to NK, not Rummy. 
 
 There you go again Mason,  blaming Clinton for everything


 Oh, now that's funny. You can blame Bush for all your suffering but  if I 
 point out  the very same article you quote says Clinton  authorized the sale 
 of 
 light water nuclear technology to North Korea, all the  sudden, I'm unfairly 
 blaming Clinton.

   
And Rummy's company bares no responsibility then?  You seem to be saying 
that.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

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In a message dated 10/10/06 6:03:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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So 
  where's the ad showing Cheney shaking hands with 
Saddam?

He didn't
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Albright changes tires of Mid-East dictators

2006-10-10 Thread Bhairitu
sparaig wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 'SCARY MOVIE' PRODUCER MAKES CAMPAIGN AD; MOCKS DEMOCRATS
 Tue Oct 10 2006 15:13:16 ET

 **Exclusive**

 The DRUDGE REPORT has obtained an exclusive copy of a scary campaign
 advertisement created by Hollywood producer and director David Zucker
 that was intended to be used by GOP organizations in the closing weeks
 of the 2006 campaign.

 However, the advertisement was deemed too hot by GOP strategists all
 across Washington, DC who have refused to use it!

 [VIDEO LINK] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h3GPc_yMCE

 In the ad, Zucker, producer of SCARY MOVIE 4, recreates former Clinton
 Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's 2000 visit to North Korea.
 During the visit, Secretary Albright presented North Korean dictator Kim
 Jong Il with a basketball autographed by former NBA superstar Michael
 Jordan.

 An actress playing Secretary Albright is shown presenting Kim Jong Il
 with the Michael Jordan basketball, painting the walls of Osama bin
 Laden's Afghanistan cave and turning a blind eye to suicide bombers. In
 one scene her skirt rips as she changes the tire of a Middle Eastern
 dictator's limousine.

 One GOP strategist said jaws dropped when the ad was first viewed.
 Nobody could believe Zucker thought any political organization could
 use this ad. It makes a point, but it's way over the top.

 Zucker is the producer and director of comedies such as Airplane and
 The Naked Gun. In 2004, Zucker, a longtime Democrat, embraced the
 Republican Party based on concerns he had about national security issues
 and voted for President George W. Bush.

 Developing...

 

 So where's the ad showing Cheney shaking hands with Saddam?
Better yet Kim Jong Il shaking hands with Donald Rumsfeld.   Rumsfeld 
was on the board of the company that sold North Korea the equipment to 
process uranium.




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