Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Nepal earthquake report from TM Center in Kathmandu
Now really Sal! What a scurrilous rant about the poor TM peoples who maintain coherence for us all. Now be honest, remember spring of 2014 when Li'l Johnnie Hagelin asked for donations for an urgent national yagya for Scorpionland to prevent any FURTHER big storms and flooding (after the regular rainy season was over of course)? And how Li'l Johnnie reported they had raised $100,000.00 dollars US for that very purpose? And have you had any more big storms and flooding since the sattvic pundits did that national Scorpion Land yagya? Now how's that for proof of yagya? From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 1:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Nepal earthquake report from TM Center in Kathmandu It must be tough in the yagya selling business. The only way you have to promote your wares is by saying astonishingly unconvincing things like "You know that Earthquake that didn't flatten your village yesterday? That was prevented by us" A sceptic might say that we've no real idea whether an Earthquake would have flattened anyone's village without the awesome yagya performance. But that's just got to be nonsense, how could a system of reality based on the mighty wisdom of the veda's possibly be in error? But it looks like something did go wrong - maybe some interference from that Hell Pit of Shiva agitation in Switzerland forced our normally strong grip on the laws of nature into abeyance for just a second? - and of course, once you've collected the money to pay for a prayer to make good things happen and then something bad happens, you need a ready explanation to get yourselves off the hook. And here it is: It would have been worse if it had happened the day before. Well, you've got to have something to rally round. And this is the trouble with superstitious thinking, your view of the world is based on a nonsense and when - surprise surprise - your dysfunctional iron-age model doesn't work the way you expected it to you need a scapegoat, no matter how obscene, or those all important donations for the next round of pointless prayers to non-existent gods won't be so forthcoming. But just this once, instead of giving money to the TMO why not give it to the Red Cross, at least they are actually doing something to help the victims and it won't seem like you are just throwing your money onto a bonfire... How we're helping in Nepal | British Red Cross || |||| How we're helping in Nepal | British Red Cross The British Red Cross is supporting the three-year programme, which is funded by a £4 million grant from the UK government’s Department for Internation...| | | View on www.redcross.org.uk |Preview by Yahoo| || ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : -Original Message- From: William Leed To: wleed3 Sent: Sun, May 3, 2015 9:18 pm Subject: Fwd: Nepal earthquake report from TM Center in Kathmandu -- Forwarded message -- From:Steve Date: Sun, May 3, 2015 at 6:10 AM Subject: Nepal earthquake report from TM Center in Kathmandu To: Stephen Van Damme TM Center in Kathmandu - Nepal Earthquake Report Namaste, I am writing a sort of general report for friends and for supporters of the Nepal Projects. This is going to a number of people and has nothing confidential in it, so anyone may freely share it with others. There are so many enquiries about the situation here and even offers of help for relief work as we start to get our legs back from under us, since the earthquake. It is difficult for me to reply to everyone one at a time so please bear with the situation and not mind the generalities of this report. April 25th, just before noon, Nepal was struck by a magnitude 7.9 earthquake. The epicenter was approximately 50 miles from Kathmandu and about 30 miles from Pokhara.. roughly the center of the country…. As anyone following the news knows there has been a lot of damage in the Kathmandu Valley and massive destruction in the rural districts surrounding the Kathmandu Valley. At the latest count, more than 6,600 people were killed and property damage is at least 130,000 homes completely destroyed and maybe up to 600,000 damaged to some degree. Many, many people are homeless and are surviving outdoors as best they can, as relief efforts to provide them with the basics of survival arrive. In the village areas the devastation is such that whole villages were flattened and in many place 70-90% of all buildings collapsed. The number of people affected by this calamity is estimated to be about 8 million people or roughly 25% of the population of Nepal. Right now about 650,000 people have left the Kathmandu Valley to return to their home villages to help their families or start relief work and salvaging what they can of their village homes. Kathmandu is starting to come back to life, but today (Saturday the 2
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Nepal earthquake report from TM Center in Kathmandu
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Now really Sal! What a scurrilous rant about the poor TM peoples who maintain coherence for us all. Now be honest, remember spring of 2014 when Li'l Johnnie Hagelin asked for donations for an urgent national yagya for Scorpionland to prevent any FURTHER big storms and flooding (after the regular rainy season was over of course)? And how Li'l Johnnie reported they had raised $100,000.00 dollars US for that very purpose? And have you had any more big storms and flooding since the sattvic pundits did that national Scorpion Land yagya? Now how's that for proof of yagya? You're right and I apologise humbly. But hang on, we've had virtually no rain at all ever since and are very close to a drought. Maybe it was too effective? Can we sue Shiva? I can't blame Johnboy though, it must be tricky to balance the laws of nature once you've gained mastery over them. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 1:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Nepal earthquake report from TM Center in Kathmandu It must be tough in the yagya selling business. The only way you have to promote your wares is by saying astonishingly unconvincing things like "You know that Earthquake that didn't flatten your village yesterday? That was prevented by us" A sceptic might say that we've no real idea whether an Earthquake would have flattened anyone's village without the awesome yagya performance. But that's just got to be nonsense, how could a system of reality based on the mighty wisdom of the veda's possibly be in error? But it looks like something did go wrong - maybe some interference from that Hell Pit of Shiva agitation in Switzerland forced our normally strong grip on the laws of nature into abeyance for just a second? - and of course, once you've collected the money to pay for a prayer to make good things happen and then something bad happens, you need a ready explanation to get yourselves off the hook. And here it is: It would have been worse if it had happened the day before. Well, you've got to have something to rally round. And this is the trouble with superstitious thinking, your view of the world is based on a nonsense and when - surprise surprise - your dysfunctional iron-age model doesn't work the way you expected it to you need a scapegoat, no matter how obscene, or those all important donations for the next round of pointless prayers to non-existent gods won't be so forthcoming. But just this once, instead of giving money to the TMO why not give it to the Red Cross, at least they are actually doing something to help the victims and it won't seem like you are just throwing your money onto a bonfire... How we're helping in Nepal | British Red Cross http://www.redcross.org.uk/en/What-we-do/Preparing-for-disasters/Nepal-preparing-for-earthquakes/How-were-helping-in-Nepal http://www.redcross.org.uk/en/What-we-do/Preparing-for-disasters/Nepal-preparing-for-earthquakes/How-were-helping-in-Nepal How we're helping in Nepal | British Red Cross http://www.redcross.org.uk/en/What-we-do/Preparing-for-disasters/Nepal-preparing-for-earthquakes/How-were-helping-in-Nepal The British Red Cross is supporting the three-year programme, which is funded by a £4 million grant from the UK government’s Department for Internation... View on www.redcross.org.uk http://www.redcross.org.uk/en/What-we-do/Preparing-for-disasters/Nepal-preparing-for-earthquakes/How-were-helping-in-Nepal Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Nepal earthquake report from TM Center in Kathmandu
Actually I was of course having you on. And as far as the "Save Scorpion Land
from the Storms" sales pitch, I thought it was one of the most egregious
blatantly greedy and manipulative plays the Movement ever perpetrated.
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Nepal earthquake report from TM Center
in Kathmandu
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Now really Sal!
What a scurrilous rant about the poor TM peoples who maintain coherence for us
all.
Now be honest, remember spring of 2014 when Li'l Johnnie Hagelin asked for
donations for an urgent national yagya for Scorpionland to prevent any FURTHER
big storms and flooding (after the regular rainy season was over of course)?
And how Li'l Johnnie reported they had raised $100,000.00 dollars US for that
very purpose?
And have you had any more big storms and flooding since the sattvic pundits did
that national Scorpion Land yagya? Now how's that for proof of yagya?
You're right and I apologise humbly. But hang on, we've had virtually no rain
at all ever since and are very close to a drought. Maybe it was too effective?
Can we sue Shiva?
I can't blame Johnboy though, it must be tricky to balance the laws of nature
once you've gained mastery over them.
From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 1:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Nepal earthquake report from TM Center in
Kathmandu
It must be tough in the yagya selling business. The only way you have to
promote your wares is by saying astonishingly unconvincing things like "You
know that Earthquake that didn't flatten your village yesterday? That was
prevented by us"
A sceptic might say that we've no real idea whether an Earthquake would have
flattened anyone's village without the awesome yagya performance. But that's
just got to be nonsense, how could a system of reality based on the mighty
wisdom of the veda's possibly be in error?
But it looks like something did go wrong - maybe some interference from that
Hell Pit of Shiva agitation in Switzerland forced our normally strong grip on
the laws of nature into abeyance for just a second? - and of course, once
you've collected the money to pay for a prayer to make good things happen and
then something bad happens, you need a ready explanation to get yourselves off
the hook.
And here it is: It would have been worse if it had happened the day before.
Well, you've got to have something to rally round. And this is the trouble with
superstitious thinking, your view of the world is based on a nonsense and when
- surprise surprise - your dysfunctional iron-age model doesn't work the way
you expected it to you need a scapegoat, no matter how obscene, or those all
important donations for the next round of pointless prayers to non-existent
gods won't be so forthcoming.
But just this once, instead of giving money to the TMO why not give it to the
Red Cross, at least they are actually doing something to help the victims and
it won't seem like you are just throwing your money onto a bonfire...
How we're helping in Nepal | British Red Cross
| |
| | | | How we're helping in Nepal | British Red Cross The British
Red Cross is supporting the three-year programme, which is funded by a £4
million grant from the UK government’s Department for Internation... | |
| View on www.redcross.org.uk| Preview by Yahoo |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Nepal earthquake report from TM Center in Kathmandu
Cool. I like these old Sufi and Zen stories, the ones with a punchline. But I'm not sure of this one's pedigree because I first heard this joke as a generic barroom joke. The owner's question was the same, but in the joke I heard, the job seeker replied that he'd gotten his experience in the Sahara Forest. The owner says, "You mean the Sahara Desert, don't you?" And the job seeker replies, "Well...it is *now*." :-) The appearance of this kind of story here strikes me as synchronicity-laden, so I'm going to pass along to you something that came up over dinner. We were talking about scifi, and opining about how hard it was to portray truly alien aliens. If you think about it, almost all of them in scifi have been anthropomorphized, and end up being pretty much like humans, only with bug eyes. As the talk went on, I remembered the best story that I remember reading in terms of capturing "alien-ness" -- it's by Terry Carr, and won both the Hugo Award and Nebula Award for Best Short Story in 1969. It's also very Zen. Or Sufi. It's about the conflict of two mindsets that in all likelihood will never understand each other, because the way their minds work is so different. I think you of all people on this forum will appreciate it: THE DANCE OF THE CHANGER AND THE THREE-PAGE 1 | | | | | | | | | | | THE DANCE OF THE CHANGER AND THE THREE-PAGE 1This all happened ages ago, out in the depths of space beyond Darkedge, where galaxies lumber ponderously through the black like so many silent bright rhinoceroses | | | | View on lexal.net | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 8:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Nepal earthquake report from TM Center in Kathmandu This reminds me of the following story, from the Sufis: The plantation owner was surprised to see the unlikely figure Nasrudin applying for a job. 'I'll give you a chance, although you don't look like the sort who could fell trees. Where did you learn to cut down trees?' 'In the Sahara desert', Nasrudin replied. 'But there aren't any trees in the Sahara.' 'No, there aren't, now', replied Nasrudin. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It must be tough in the yagya selling business. The only way you have to promote your wares is by saying astonishingly unconvincing things like "You know that Earthquake that didn't flatten your village yesterday? That was prevented by us" A sceptic might say that we've no real idea whether an Earthquake would have flattened anyone's village without the awesome yagya performance. But that's just got to be nonsense, how could a system of reality based on the mighty wisdom of the veda's possibly be in error? But it looks like something did go wrong - maybe some interference from that Hell Pit of Shiva agitation in Switzerland forced our normally strong grip on the laws of nature into abeyance for just a second? - and of course, once you've collected the money to pay for a prayer to make good things happen and then something bad happens, you need a ready explanation to get yourselves off the hook. And here it is: It would have been worse if it had happened the day before. Well, you've got to have something to rally round. And this is the trouble with superstitious thinking, your view of the world is based on a nonsense and when - surprise surprise - your dysfunctional iron-age model doesn't work the way you expected it to you need a scapegoat, no matter how obscene, or those all important donations for the next round of pointless prayers to non-existent gods won't be so forthcoming. But just this once, instead of giving money to the TMO why not give it to the Red Cross, at least they are actually doing something to help the victims and it won't seem like you are just throwing your money onto a bonfire... How we're helping in Nepal | British Red Cross | | | | | | How we're helping in Nepal | British Red Cross The British Red Cross is supporting the three-year programme, which is funded by a £4 million grant from the UK government’s Department for Internation... | | | View on www.redcross.org.uk| Preview by Yahoo | | | ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : -Original Message- From: William Leed To: wleed3 Sent: Sun, May 3, 2015 9:18 pm Subject: Fwd: Nepal earthquake report from TM Center in Kathmandu -- Forwarded message -- From:Steve Date: Sun, May 3, 2015 at 6:10 AM Subject: Nepal earthquake report from TM Center in Kathmandu To: Stephen Van Damme TM Center in Kathmandu - Nepal Earthquake Report Namaste, I am writing a sort of general report for friends and for supporters of the Nepal Projects. This is going to a number of people and has nothing confidential in it, so anyone may freely share it with others. There are so many enquiries about the situation her
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Nepal earthquake report from TM Center in Kathmandu
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Actually I was of course having you on. I got that ;-) And as far as the "Save Scorpion Land from the Storms" sales pitch, I thought it was one of the most egregious blatantly greedy and manipulative plays the Movement ever perpetrated. I remember being on a big course and a TM teacher announced at dinner that jyotishees had predicted some massively bad karma coming back for some European country or other and they were asking for donations to neutralise the approaching doom. I was actively trying to convince people that NOT giving anything would be a better idea as we could test the jyotish prediction and see how bad the event really would be. Obviously I had got sceptical by that point and I really wanted to demonstrate that it was a bunch of hokum but people didn't care about scientific method and ignored me. They ignored the call for donations too if I recall - or did they? Nothing bad happened that week. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Nepal earthquake report from TM Center in Kathmandu ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Now really Sal! What a scurrilous rant about the poor TM peoples who maintain coherence for us all. Now be honest, remember spring of 2014 when Li'l Johnnie Hagelin asked for donations for an urgent national yagya for Scorpionland to prevent any FURTHER big storms and flooding (after the regular rainy season was over of course)? And how Li'l Johnnie reported they had raised $100,000.00 dollars US for that very purpose? And have you had any more big storms and flooding since the sattvic pundits did that national Scorpion Land yagya? Now how's that for proof of yagya? You're right and I apologise humbly. But hang on, we've had virtually no rain at all ever since and are very close to a drought. Maybe it was too effective? Can we sue Shiva? I can't blame Johnboy though, it must be tricky to balance the laws of nature once you've gained mastery over them. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 1:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Nepal earthquake report from TM Center in Kathmandu It must be tough in the yagya selling business. The only way you have to promote your wares is by saying astonishingly unconvincing things like "You know that Earthquake that didn't flatten your village yesterday? That was prevented by us" A sceptic might say that we've no real idea whether an Earthquake would have flattened anyone's village without the awesome yagya performance. But that's just got to be nonsense, how could a system of reality based on the mighty wisdom of the veda's possibly be in error? But it looks like something did go wrong - maybe some interference from that Hell Pit of Shiva agitation in Switzerland forced our normally strong grip on the laws of nature into abeyance for just a second? - and of course, once you've collected the money to pay for a prayer to make good things happen and then something bad happens, you need a ready explanation to get yourselves off the hook. And here it is: It would have been worse if it had happened the day before. Well, you've got to have something to rally round. And this is the trouble with superstitious thinking, your view of the world is based on a nonsense and when - surprise surprise - your dysfunctional iron-age model doesn't work the way you expected it to you need a scapegoat, no matter how obscene, or those all important donations for the next round of pointless prayers to non-existent gods won't be so forthcoming. But just this once, instead of giving money to the TMO why not give it to the Red Cross, at least they are actually doing something to help the victims and it won't seem like you are just throwing your money onto a bonfire... How we're helping in Nepal | British Red Cross http://www.redcross.org.uk/en/What-we-do/Preparing-for-disasters/Nepal-preparing-for-earthquakes/How-were-helping-in-Nepal http://www.redcross.org.uk/en/What-we-do/Preparing-for-disasters/Nepal-preparing-for-earthquakes/How-were-helping-in-Nepal How we're helping in Nepal | British Red Cross http://www.redcross.org.uk/en/What-we-do/Preparing-for-disasters/Nepal-preparing-for-earthquakes/How-were-helping-in-Nepal The British Red Cross is supporting the three-year programme, which is funded by a £4 million grant from the UK government’s Department for Internation... View on www.redcross.org.uk http://www.redcross.org.uk/en/What-we-do/Preparing-for-disasters/Nepal-preparing-for-earthquakes/How-were-helping-in-Nepal Preview by Yahoo
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I have downloaded the story to clean up the page, as the website seemed to have some display problems. I think I read this story maybe 45 years ago, but I don't remember it, I remember the title. I won't have time to re-read it for a couple of days. I think I bought the paperback collection back then. As for Sufi stories, I loved them, I used to have a large collection, now all gone. They have many levels of understanding, though they seem like a mild joke on a superficial level. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Cool. I like these old Sufi and Zen stories, the ones with a punchline. But I'm not sure of this one's pedigree because I first heard this joke as a generic barroom joke. The owner's question was the same, but in the joke I heard, the job seeker replied that he'd gotten his experience in the Sahara Forest. The owner says, "You mean the Sahara Desert, don't you?" And the job seeker replies, "Well...it is *now*." :-) The appearance of this kind of story here strikes me as synchronicity-laden, so I'm going to pass along to you something that came up over dinner. We were talking about scifi, and opining about how hard it was to portray truly alien aliens. If you think about it, almost all of them in scifi have been anthropomorphized, and end up being pretty much like humans, only with bug eyes. As the talk went on, I remembered the best story that I remember reading in terms of capturing "alien-ness" -- it's by Terry Carr, and won both the Hugo Award and Nebula Award for Best Short Story in 1969. It's also very Zen. Or Sufi. It's about the conflict of two mindsets that in all likelihood will never understand each other, because the way their minds work is so different. I think you of all people on this forum will appreciate it: THE DANCE OF THE CHANGER AND THE THREE-PAGE 1 http://lexal.net/scifi/scifiction/classics/classics_archive/carr/carr1.html http://lexal.net/scifi/scifiction/classics/classics_archive/carr/carr1.html THE DANCE OF THE CHANGER AND THE THREE-PAGE 1 http://lexal.net/scifi/scifiction/classics/classics_archive/carr/carr1.html This all happened ages ago, out in the depths of space beyond Darkedge, where galaxies lumber ponderously through the black like so many silent bright rhinoceroses View on lexal.net http://lexal.net/scifi/scifiction/classics/classics_archive/carr/carr1.html Preview by Yahoo From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 8:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Nepal earthquake report from TM Center in Kathmandu This reminds me of the following story, from the Sufis: The plantation owner was surprised to see the unlikely figure Nasrudin applying for a job. 'I'll give you a chance, although you don't look like the sort who could fell trees. Where did you learn to cut down trees?' 'In the Sahara desert', Nasrudin replied. 'But there aren't any trees in the Sahara.' 'No, there aren't, now', replied Nasrudin. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It must be tough in the yagya selling business. The only way you have to promote your wares is by saying astonishingly unconvincing things like "You know that Earthquake that didn't flatten your village yesterday? That was prevented by us" A sceptic might say that we've no real idea whether an Earthquake would have flattened anyone's village without the awesome yagya performance. But that's just got to be nonsense, how could a system of reality based on the mighty wisdom of the veda's possibly be in error? But it looks like something did go wrong - maybe some interference from that Hell Pit of Shiva agitation in Switzerland forced our normally strong grip on the laws of nature into abeyance for just a second? - and of course, once you've collected the money to pay for a prayer to make good things happen and then something bad happens, you need a ready explanation to get yourselves off the hook. And here it is: It would have been worse if it had happened the day before. Well, you've got to have something to rally round. And this is the trouble with superstitious thinking, your view of the world is based on a nonsense and when - surprise surprise - your dysfunctional iron-age model doesn't work the way you expected it to you need a scapegoat, no matter how obscene, or those all important donations for the next round of pointless prayers to non-existent gods won't be so forthcoming. But just this once, instead of giving money to the TMO why not give it to the Red Cross, at least they are actually doing something to help the victims and it won't seem like you are just throwing your money onto a bonfire...
