Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)
Merudanda, thank you for sending this. How funny that Bruch composed Kol Nidrei. I had no idea. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis) dear Emily there is no secret everybody know you are a gem here at the Fairy Field Life(forever) always love your post and the genuine feeling behind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mgaICZS79Y http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHwINCeAr38feature=related just want you to know --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing came up in the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you do. Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend. I saw you post statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of internet freedom and freedom of expression with your personal feelings of being targeted with repeat statements on FFL that contained words that you felt could harm you professionally and personally. I watched you decide to stand up by yourself and not buy in to the larger call of individual posters for a sin resolution, or stricter rules, or forward and promote an FFL descent into a mob mentality. I read you at face value and decided not to describe your overall strategy as devious or deceptive or the like - not in this case, at least. I noted your post of the SNL skit to defuse the tension with humor. I read the statement you came up with in defense of yourself. I read your post after Ravi was dismissed. I read Robin's post to Ravi and Ravi's response, which was an almost perfect reflection of Robin's post, IMO. Without assigning intent to Ravi's behavior or trying to deduce his mental state and without condemning him or you, I understand you deciding to protect and stand up for yourself ( and in the context of the overall situation and given its length). We all have that right and no one should be afraid to state their reality, regardless of what others think or how it is interpreted. That's one of the great things about FFL - it challenges one's reality and one's belief system (at least it does mine) and that process can't occur if one is afraid to post or is in defense mode all the time. My personal feeling is that Ravi could have made all of his points to you, even repeatedly, by altering his approach only minimally and he would still be here. He chose not to - stating more than once that he was in complete control and also that he couldn't help it. The reality is likely in the middle somewhere, but in the end, regardless of whether in person he is a loving and kind and humble human being, his persona and behavior here towards you crossed a line you finally felt you had to hold. I understand that kind of decision and there are no real winners. As compared to the world at large, the free speech allowed and encouraged here is an enormous gift to its participants and FFL celebrates this philosophy daily. I am glad that you didn't unsubscribe. For those who assume that I have switched sides - I was never on a side. I recognize and appreciate all that Ravi did for me and I don't think any less of him. This doesn't mean that I can't also feel for the position that Curtis and others were in, based on his internet behavior towards them. It doesn't mean that he didn't have some great insights and push all of us to explore our humanness and the pitfalls of hypocritical behavior and dishonesty and judgment or concepts of love and pain, etc. Perry Como singing Kol Nidre - yes, it's a little early for Yom Kippur / the Day of Atonement, but I like the concept in the larger context of self-reflection (even though I am not Jewish) and it is a beautiful song sung by a beautiful voice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6i6SobW6M From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: Excuse me, I would like to make a comment. : ) Blaming Ravi by saying he was bringing your posts to the Google top list by his tech savy talents using your name and the P, word is absolutely preposterous. As if his whole purpose was to harm you. Then we differ in our opinion about the actions of a tech professional that ended in the factual statement I made. He was playing with you, rather as the Zebra put it like a child, but that is all he was doing. I know he had no intentional malice, the legal term. If you feel this is what he did, why don't you write to google? All of their search
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)
Curtis, that was great - thanks for sending. I also liked Kill the Old Grey Mule. So, I was trying to look Belton up..not much out there but found this writeup from Alan Lomax's recording efforts which is pretty good. I liked Kill the Old Grey Mule as well. I'm going to have to see this documentary - gives me a reason to buy a TV that actually works. The land where the blues began. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4AX2wZAiWs From: Visual Anthropology Review Volume 17 Number 2 Fall-Winter 2001-2002 17 More important than recording technique was Alan’s (Lomax) intuition; he was gifted with exceptional taste in music. He could quickly find the best performers, the most important songs, and the most remarkable performances. He was never able to explain it, and was irritated to be questioned on the subject. I suspect that in addition to responding to the music, Alan picked up kinesic clues from the audience that validated his perceptions. Once in Mississippi in the mid-1980s, after it became known that we were filming, performers would find us and play for Alan. He told me the worst ones come forward, the community pushes the better ones forward, and the phenomenal ones sulk in the background until you notice them. A few days later, on the last day of the trip, we had been filming all day and most of the night, when Alan noticed a man with a guitar scowling at us. Alan asked him to sing, and Belton Sutherland sat down and gave us two songs. We had never heard of him before and never heard of him after, but his rough guitar and expectorated lyric—kill the old grey mule, burn down a white man’s barn—is one of the most emotional moments in the film The Land Where the Blues Began. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: If you feel inspired at any point, post some blues or bluesy / jazzy pieces...only the enlightened ones of course :) This is as enlightened as it gets. Thanks for asking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6jjNRUqPxgfeature=related Signed - MusicbeggarsRus From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 2:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)  Hi Emily, Thanks for such a sincere post. I appreciate it. What he achieved was to link the two words only. My single name is fine. Given his interest in me offline, which I have not detailed, it was heading nowhere good. But I am optimistic that I dodged a bullet and am gunna be just fine. It was a wake-up call for me though. I'll never let things go that far again here. It was fortunate for me that he simultaneously decided to go after someone else's real name that day. That was what tipped the scale or we would not be having this chat right now. I don't share your view of his value or insights but if you got something good from him, more power to you. I suspect without all the enlightenment story he wouldn't have lasted so long. I can't see an atheist coming on this board and communicating with people that way and getting away with it. There was no devious strategy, I was tying to survive it day by day and was learning as I went along. Ultimately he was just some dude with a computer who wished me ill. And fortunately for me he shot himself in the foot. I really enjoy not seeing F and MF bombs lobbed my way each morning when I check in. It seems much more sane. I appreciate what you are saying about not feeling limited to any side. I couldn't agree more. I appreciate the feeling of your post. My dad traded Christmas cards with Perry Como till he died. It was one of those celebrity kindnesses that he did off of some casual contact, but it made my dad feel very special. Thanks for posting that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing came up in the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you do.  Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend.  I saw you post statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of internet freedom and freedom of expression with your personal feelings of being targeted with repeat statements on FFL that contained words that you felt could harm you professionally and personally.  I watched you decide to stand up by yourself and not buy in to the larger call of individual posters for a sin resolution, or stricter rules, or forward and promote an FFL descent into a mob mentality. I read you at face value and decided not to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)
Only funny because Judy and I traded links to *Bruch* earlier in the week and then completely separately I sent a link to Perry Como singing *Kol Nidrei* to Curtis and then you sent a link to *Bruch's Kol Nidrei* - see the connection? It was just a funny coincidence...or was it? Ha. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 4:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis) funny? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Merudanda, thank you for sending this. How funny that Bruch composed Kol Nidrei. I had no idea. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis) dear Emily there is no secret everybody know you are a gem here at the Fairy Field Life(forever) always love your post and the genuine feeling behind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mgaICZS79Y http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHwINCeAr38feature=related just want you to know --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing came up in the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you do. Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend. I saw you post statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of internet freedom and freedom of expression with your personal feelings of being targeted with repeat statements on FFL that contained words that you felt could harm you professionally and personally. I watched you decide to stand up by yourself and not buy in to the larger call of individual posters for a sin resolution, or stricter rules, or forward and promote an FFL descent into a mob mentality. I read you at face value and decided not to describe your overall strategy as devious or deceptive or the like - not in this case, at least. I noted your post of the SNL skit to defuse the tension with humor. I read the statement you came up with in defense of yourself. I read your post after Ravi was dismissed. I read Robin's post to Ravi and Ravi's response, which was an almost perfect reflection of Robin's post, IMO. Without assigning intent to Ravi's behavior or trying to deduce his mental state and without condemning him or you, I understand you deciding to protect and stand up for yourself ( and in the context of the overall situation and given its length). We all have that right and no one should be afraid to state their reality, regardless of what others think or how it is interpreted. That's one of the great things about FFL - it challenges one's reality and one's belief system (at least it does mine) and that process can't occur if one is afraid to post or is in defense mode all the time. My personal feeling is that Ravi could have made all of his points to you, even repeatedly, by altering his approach only minimally and he would still be here. He chose not to - stating more than once that he was in complete control and also that he couldn't help it. The reality is likely in the middle somewhere, but in the end, regardless of whether in person he is a loving and kind and humble human being, his persona and behavior here towards you crossed a line you finally felt you had to hold. I understand that kind of decision and there are no real winners. As compared to the world at large, the free speech allowed and encouraged here is an enormous gift to its participants and FFL celebrates this philosophy daily. I am glad that you didn't unsubscribe. For those who assume that I have switched sides - I was never on a side. I recognize and appreciate all that Ravi did for me and I don't think any less of him. This doesn't mean that I can't also feel for the position that Curtis and others were in, based on his internet behavior towards them. It doesn't mean that he didn't have some great insights and push all of us to explore our humanness and the pitfalls of hypocritical behavior and dishonesty and judgment or concepts of love and pain, etc. Perry Como singing Kol Nidre - yes, it's a little early for Yom Kippur / the Day of Atonement, but I like the concept in the larger context of self-reflection (even though I am not Jewish) and it is a beautiful song sung by a beautiful voice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6i6SobW6M From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)
Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing came up in the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you do. Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend. I saw you post statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of internet freedom and freedom of expression with your personal feelings of being targeted with repeat statements on FFL that contained words that you felt could harm you professionally and personally. I watched you decide to stand up by yourself and not buy in to the larger call of individual posters for a sin resolution, or stricter rules, or forward and promote an FFL descent into a mob mentality. I read you at face value and decided not to describe your overall strategy as devious or deceptive or the like - not in this case, at least. I noted your post of the SNL skit to defuse the tension with humor. I read the statement you came up with in defense of yourself. I read your post after Ravi was dismissed. I read Robin's post to Ravi and Ravi's response, which was an almost perfect reflection of Robin's post, IMO. Without assigning intent to Ravi's behavior or trying to deduce his mental state and without condemning him or you, I understand you deciding to protect and stand up for yourself ( and in the context of the overall situation and given its length). We all have that right and no one should be afraid to state their reality, regardless of what others think or how it is interpreted. That's one of the great things about FFL - it challenges one's reality and one's belief system (at least it does mine) and that process can't occur if one is afraid to post or is in defense mode all the time. My personal feeling is that Ravi could have made all of his points to you, even repeatedly, by altering his approach only minimally and he would still be here. He chose not to - stating more than once that he was in complete control and also that he couldn't help it. The reality is likely in the middle somewhere, but in the end, regardless of whether in person he is a loving and kind and humble human being, his persona and behavior here towards you crossed a line you finally felt you had to hold. I understand that kind of decision and there are no real winners. As compared to the world at large, the free speech allowed and encouraged here is an enormous gift to its participants and FFL celebrates this philosophy daily. I am glad that you didn't unsubscribe. For those who assume that I have switched sides - I was never on a side. I recognize and appreciate all that Ravi did for me and I don't think any less of him. This doesn't mean that I can't also feel for the position that Curtis and others were in, based on his internet behavior towards them. It doesn't mean that he didn't have some great insights and push all of us to explore our humanness and the pitfalls of hypocritical behavior and dishonesty and judgment or concepts of love and pain, etc. Perry Como singing Kol Nidre - yes, it's a little early for Yom Kippur / the Day of Atonement, but I like the concept in the larger context of self-reflection (even though I am not Jewish) and it is a beautiful song sung by a beautiful voice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6i6SobW6M From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Excuse me, I would like to make a comment. : ) Blaming Ravi by saying he was bringing your posts to the Google top list by his tech savy talents using your name and the P, word is absolutely preposterous. As if his whole purpose was to harm you. Then we differ in our opinion about the actions of a tech professional that ended in the factual statement I made. He was playing with you, rather as the Zebra put it like a child, but that is all he was doing. I know he had no intentional malice, the legal term. If you feel this is what he did, why don't you write to google? All of their search results are data mined. I know this too. Do me a favor. Don't ever play with me. We have different standards of fun. So was Barry playing with you or was he being sadistic as charged? That might help me clarify your standards better. I'll CC the president on in my Google letter and I'm sure it will get cleared up immediately. They have a lot of time to spend on such requests and take them all seriously with all the research back up needed to sort out these issues for free. (now who is playing?)(on re-read perhaps I had slid into dickish territory.) If I wrote the word, psnip, here, this too, would come up in a search. This is for educational purposes only and not meant to bring harm, to this man who refers to himself as a user name
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)
If you feel inspired at any point, post some blues or bluesy / jazzy pieces...only the enlightened ones of course :) Signed - MusicbeggarsRus From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 2:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis) Hi Emily, Thanks for such a sincere post. I appreciate it. What he achieved was to link the two words only. My single name is fine. Given his interest in me offline, which I have not detailed, it was heading nowhere good. But I am optimistic that I dodged a bullet and am gunna be just fine. It was a wake-up call for me though. I'll never let things go that far again here. It was fortunate for me that he simultaneously decided to go after someone else's real name that day. That was what tipped the scale or we would not be having this chat right now. I don't share your view of his value or insights but if you got something good from him, more power to you. I suspect without all the enlightenment story he wouldn't have lasted so long. I can't see an atheist coming on this board and communicating with people that way and getting away with it. There was no devious strategy, I was tying to survive it day by day and was learning as I went along. Ultimately he was just some dude with a computer who wished me ill. And fortunately for me he shot himself in the foot. I really enjoy not seeing F and MF bombs lobbed my way each morning when I check in. It seems much more sane. I appreciate what you are saying about not feeling limited to any side. I couldn't agree more. I appreciate the feeling of your post. My dad traded Christmas cards with Perry Como till he died. It was one of those celebrity kindnesses that he did off of some casual contact, but it made my dad feel very special. Thanks for posting that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing came up in the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you do.  Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend.  I saw you post statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of internet freedom and freedom of expression with your personal feelings of being targeted with repeat statements on FFL that contained words that you felt could harm you professionally and personally.  I watched you decide to stand up by yourself and not buy in to the larger call of individual posters for a sin resolution, or stricter rules, or forward and promote an FFL descent into a mob mentality. I read you at face value and decided not to describe your overall strategy as devious or deceptive or the like - not in this case, at least.  I noted your post of the SNL skit to defuse the tension with humor.  I read the statement you came up with in defense of yourself.  I read your post after Ravi was dismissed.  I read Robin's post to Ravi and Ravi's response, which was an almost perfect reflection of Robin's post, IMO. Without assigning intent to Ravi's behavior or trying to deduce his mental state and without condemning him or you, I understand you deciding to protect and stand up for yourself ( and in the context of the overall situation and given its length).  We all have that right and no one should be afraid to state their reality, regardless of what others think or how it is interpreted.  That's one of the great things about FFL - it challenges one's reality and one's belief system (at least it does mine) and that process can't occur if one is afraid to post or is in defense mode all the time.  My personal feeling is that Ravi could have made all of his points to you, even repeatedly, by altering his approach only minimally and he would still be here. He chose not to - stating more than once that he was in complete control and also that he couldn't help it. The reality is likely in the middle somewhere, but in the end, regardless of whether in person he is a loving and kind and humble human being, his persona and behavior here towards you crossed a line you finally felt you had to hold.  I understand that kind of decision and there are no real winners. As compared to the world at large, the free speech allowed and encouraged here is an enormous gift to its participants and FFL celebrates this philosophy daily.  I am glad that you didn't unsubscribe.  For those who assume that I have switched sides - I was never on a side.  I recognize and appreciate all that Ravi did for me and I don't think any less of him. This doesn't mean that I can't also feel for the position that Curtis and others were in, based on his internet behavior towards them.  It doesn't mean that he didn't have some great insights and push all of us to explore our
