Re: [fc-uk-discuss] Leaving / folding FC-UK

2007-02-25 Thread adnan hadzi
yes, sure! my engagement is very slow, but steady. just catched up with 
some months of posts  can definitively say that i'll stick around as 
well  next mail is regarding that :-)


free culture is i guess nothing you can turn on or off, it is an attitude...

adnan

Timothy Cowlishaw wrote:

Hi all,

While I understand completely Tom's reasons for making this decision, 
I fail to see how the absence of one (admittedly pivotal member) 
should mean that the whole organisation should fold. Admittedly FC-UK 
has been almost inactive for several months, however perhaps this is 
an opportunity for a reboot rather than an excuse to fold completely.


The FCF looks like an exciting initiative -  I will be closely 
following your progress, and am certainly willing to help out in any 
way I can. As concerns FC-London, we never really got off the ground, 
but am going to attempt to nudge it back into life with a cc-salon / 
minibar-ish model of monthly discussion  / social events for those 
involved in Free / CC work locally.


I am keen to continue working with FC-UK, however, I feel that it is 
important to discuss our aims as an organisation, and set out tangible 
and practical goals, as the recent lull in activity appears to me to 
be a consequence of the procrastination that tends to go on on this 
discussion list. I personally would like to see a greater emphasis on 
the practical business of creating Free Culture works, alongside the 
discussion and campaigning elements of our activity. Perhaps our 
campaigning work could be carried out in partnership with the other 
organisations Tom mentioned - I have been involved in DBD and ORG 
campaigns in the past, as I'm sure many others on-list have. This 
would improve our efficiency, leaving time to work on additional 
projects, and would present a united front for the entire 
anti-term-extension / anti-DRM  / whatever-else lobby, rather than a 
series of disparate smaller groups - something that might make our 
campaigning more effective.


Any way, I wish all those leaving the best of luck, however I will be 
sticking around for the time being. Is anyone else joining me?


cheers,

Tim


On 27 Jan 2007, at 11:46, Tom Chance wrote:


Ahoy,

I've not done anything active with FC-UK for quite a while. I seem to 
recall

that we were planning to have an AGM last weekend, which never happened.
Nobody else has been active at all for months, so far as I can tell.

I'm now too busy with my job [1], being the Green Party Speaker on IP 
and Free

Software [2], and soliciting essay contributions for the Free Culture
Foundation [3] to really do anything more on free culture anyway.

Given the circumstances I think now is a good time to bow out. But I 
would
also suggest that we formally fold FC-UK, redirecting people's energy 
and

projects into organisations with more momentum such as ORG (copyright
extensions - Release the Music), the OKFN (PD Burn is joint 
already), the
FSF (DRM - Defective by Design), iCommons (for CC work), the FCF 
(where Rob
and I intend to take our free culture 4 students work), Libre Society 
(for

discussions  debates) and so on.

As for local groups, RAVE (in Reading) are happily steaming along with
workshops and a big festival planned for this summer, and can 
collaborate
with other free culture groups through iCommons. How are the groups 
in Dundee

and London?

I'd suggest that anyone who still wants to work on free culture has a 
look at
the other organisations in the area. If people still want to do 
something
with FC-UK then identifying an area of work that is feasible, and 
that you're
willing to put sufficient time, energy and money into, is the way 
forward.
Otherwise it would be best to put up a placeholder on the domain 
pointing

people away, and encourage people to migrate to other mailing lists.

It's been fun :)

Kind regards,
Tom

[1] http://www.bioregional.com
[2] http://tom.acrewoods.net/node/501
[3] http://www.freeculturefoundation.org
--The struggle against power is the struggle of memory against 
forgetting

 - Kundera

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Re: [fc-uk-discuss] Leaving / folding FC-UK

2007-01-28 Thread graham
Tom Chance wrote:

 
 Given the circumstances I think now is a good time to bow out. But I would 
 also suggest that we formally fold FC-UK, redirecting people's energy and 
 projects into organisations with more momentum such as ORG (copyright 
 extensions - Release the Music), the OKFN (PD Burn is joint already), the 
 FSF (DRM - Defective by Design), iCommons (for CC work), the FCF (where Rob 
 and I intend to take our free culture 4 students work), Libre Society (for 
 discussions  debates) and so on.

It seems an odd idea to expect that when someone leaves an organisation
that organisation then closes. I thought at one point people here were
quite convinced that there were actually differences of principle
between FC-UK and ORG or CC, however much they might be able to
collaborate in practice. Maybe I misunderstood other peoples point of
view, since I expected howls of protest at this which aren't arriving,
but I personally still feel there's a place for a *free* culture
organisation which is separate from individual campaigns. Am I the only one?

Cheers
Graham

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Re: [fc-uk-discuss] Leaving / folding FC-UK

2007-01-28 Thread MJ Ray
Tom Chance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...]
 Given the circumstances I think now is a good time to bow out. But I would 
 also suggest that we formally fold FC-UK,

OK.

 redirecting people's energy and 
 projects into organisations with more momentum such as ORG (copyright 
 extensions - Release the Music),

Not OK.  ORG: Hierarchy of London/SE-centric usual suspects AFAICT.

 the OKFN (PD Burn is joint already),

Seems offline from here.  Can't remember what it does.

 the FSF (DRM - Defective by Design),

Undemocratic, opaque and troublesome when they stray outside programs.
How about FSFE?

 iCommons (for CC work),

Is anti-commercialism still embedded in their constitution?

 the FCF (where Rob 
 and I intend to take our free culture 4 students work),

OK so far, as far as I can see (heh, see, geddit? its web site is hard
to read because of low contrast: please don't set text colour on the
main body), but it's still young and starting up.

 Libre Society (for discussions  debates) and so on.

No opinion.  Maybe Oekenux worth linking too?

Personally, since moving across the country, I've been putting more
time into informing cooperatives and third-sector groups and making
much more progress with much less stress than trying to make any
progress together with the usual suspects.  While some activists are
very keen and well-informed about very specific things, like TPM for
example, many are intolerant or inconsiderate about disabilities,
commerce, i18nism and various other topics which I'm involved in.

Hope that explains,
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Re: [fc-uk-discuss] Leaving / folding FC-UK

2007-01-27 Thread Dave Crossland

Hi Tom!

On 27/01/07, Tom Chance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I'm now too busy with my job [1], being the Green Party Speaker on IP and Free
Software [2], and soliciting essay contributions for the Free Culture
Foundation [3] to really do anything more on free culture anyway.


Sounds like you are doing more than enough! :-)



Otherwise it would be best to put up a placeholder on the domain pointing
people away, and encourage people to migrate to other mailing lists.


I would suggest pointing it at http://www.freeculturefoundation.org :-)

Btw, on /getinvolved you might want to s/use/us inthat gave use Andy
Warhol's  :-)

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Regards,
Dave

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