Re: New Fedora GTK Theme

2006-11-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Máirín Duffy wrote:


I'm Andrea Cimitan (aka Cimi), a gnome themer from Italy. :)
Probably you had known my name in gnomelook.org, there I'm Cimi86, and
I've created a lot of themes like Murrine GTK2 Cairo Engine
(http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42755,
http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine.php) and Candido Themes.


Cimi, thank you for starting this discussion.


Yep. Always nice to have upstream developers collaborate with us. Thanks.



I don't think that this is a matter of the 'art team making a decision 
though. This is a matter of there being absolutely no process. There 
isn't any defined process to get artwork  themes into the distribution 
right now. This is a very old problem so let's just trailblaze through it.


Its not quite a problem really. Ping the 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Core/SteeringCommittee when the artwork 
team agrees on something. This will probably go through the desktop team 
for their input too primarily at the code level. It helps to actually 
have this packaged already in Fedora Extras before proposing it for 
Fedora Core.




It seems quite reasonable to at least include this theme engine in the 
distro via Extras if not in Core, as long as someone is willing to 
maintain the package. Would either you or Leo be willing to maintain it? 
If so, you may want to ask someone like Jesse Keating or Rahul about the 
process of getting it into the distribution.


A fedora-list discussion suggest that there are people interested in 
doing this. Since we have a general policy on staying close to upstream, 
it would be nice if upstream people are involved in the packaging 
efforts too. It helps in user - developer interactions. If you are not 
interested in packaging this, you can set bugzilla preferences to be 
automatically CC'ed on all bugs for that particular component. This is 
what upstream Gaim developers do for example.



Where the art team comes in I believe is picking out a default theme for 
Murrine. Can you suggest some nice ones, Leo or Cimi? We haven't decided 
on a theme/style for FC7 yet but once we do I think that'd be the 
appropriate time to specify the colors for the theme.


Does anyone oppose moving to the Murrine engine?


Well, one question. How can we intelligently comment on a engine without 
looking at the code? If the themes are completely customizable which 
apparently is the case here, how do we understand the value of a 
particular engine over another by merely looking at screenshots?


Rahul

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Re: New Fedora GTK Theme

2006-11-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Nicolas Mailhot wrote:

Le samedi 11 novembre 2006 à 18:02 -0500, Máirín Duffy a écrit :

Hi Andrea, you've posted on the right list, but most themers seem to
insist on using fedora-art-list instead, so I'm pushing it there
No, fedora-art-list *is* the appropriate list. fedora-desktop-list is 
more aimed towards development discussions (although in practice its 
less focused.)


I still think it's not ;) as theming involves usability and other
concerns, not just pretty colours (that's why I don't like evaluating on
screenshots only BTW)


The Fedora artwork team in concerned about usability too. So calling the 
work merely pretty colors is waving off the interaction designers who 
are involved here.


Rahul

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Re: New Fedora GTK Theme

2006-11-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le dimanche 12 novembre 2006 à 16:38 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a écrit :

 The Fedora artwork team in concerned about usability too. So calling the 
 work merely pretty colors is waving off the interaction designers who 
 are involved here.

I'm not waving of the artwork team work, I wouldn't be on this list if I
didn't think they were great people, but I do think they tend to work a
bit in isolation. It's not as if the desktop list is crowded enough
something as central as a new default theme could not be discussed
there.

-- 
Nicolas Mailhot

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